He stands tall in the pocket, has great throwing motion and quick release. He s got everything you need to be an NFL quarterback; plus he s a great kid and wants to play for the Giants.
I know, it s Boomer, and I’m in the 10% here that value his take on the NFL and football in general, but thought his take here was worth sharing.
He also believes Good chance Haskins won’t be there when Giants pick at 6.
Based on the past, Haskins has significant risks and may have a higher value simply because of the class he's entering with. Only having started 14 games is a huge red flag.
Not a killer, but it has traditionally been a metric that has predicted failure in the NFL pretty consistently.
Then you have the whole Boomer analysis, which is almost always a predictor of being dead-ass incorrect.
Trey and Mike were talking about this on ESPN this morning. If he indeed has a high first round grade after the combine and offseason workouts, Jax or another team in need of a ab will definitely try to trade up in front of NYG. Gettleman had better be ready to trade up if necessary and he thinks Haskins is the guy.
But carry on about ex-NFL players and scouts.
By the way - you may want to take a peek at what scouts are saying about Haskins too.....
But carry on about ex-NFL players and scouts.
By the way - you may want to take a peek at what scouts are saying about Haskins too.....
Yeah he doesn't know what he is talking about when it comes to QBs. He was just jizzing all over Mahomes, Baker Mayfield, Darnold and Deshaun Watson in the pre draft process for no reason
I'm good w Haskins at 6 if he's hands down worth it. Darnold vs Barkley wasn't close. Haskins bs whom ever will be at 6 is most likely much different. Only guys i think are sure fire studs right now are QWilliams and Bosa
I Haskins grades out as a top 10 pick I can see why he might go top 5, but teams would be passing on some much more valuable players just because they overvalue and then overdraft Quarterbacks.
After seeing his play last night, I am not so certain,I want to see more.
The point being that 14 games may not be enough games to understand a QBs potential.
What happens when a player is under duress, how does he handle it. In watching Haskins play I never saw a moment where he had to carry OSU and was under extreme pressure.
I am not certain how the Giants are able to evaluate this without seeing it in a game.
He just doesn't seem like a guy who will function well when everything around him is breaking down. (The clusterf#ck otherwise known as an NFL pocket.)
I'm not saying he definitely can't - maybe he's Tom Brady 2.0 in the pocket. I just highly doubt it. I wouldn't touch him.
Wouldn't be a disaster for the Giants. Sitting for a year, or most of the year, would make Hankins a better QB.
What is it that you think would happen? Disaster seems a bit strong.
Care to explain this ridiculous statement. Patrick Mahomes sat for a year, Carson Palmer sat for a year, Aaron Rodgers sat for three years, Philip Rivers sat for a year, Tom Brady sat for a year, Kirk Cousins sat for a year, Jimmy Garoppolo sat for two years, etc.
I don’t think that matters much. Lack of games played prior to draft means the sample size is small, giving scouts less to go on as they assess. We’ve seen flukes before, is he one of them?
I like his game and if he checked our boxes I’d get on board, but he’s definitely a big risk.
Tampa and Jax will be looking to move ahead. Jax with being tight against the cap won't be able to shop in FA for a QB so they will be looking to draft. Jax is releasing Malik whose cap savings is equivalent to the dead cap hit on Blake with a post 6/1 designation.
JonC. has the right read. Every team that is in competition to draft Haskins will push a blue chip ER to us.
If a QB like Haskins was the pick I probably would commit to Eli then for another year as such albeit not my preference.
When it comes to anything Boomer says about tha Giants/Eli I take with a grain of salt, if that. Having listened to his show for years it's clear as day he has a bias and a lot of what he says regarding anything Giants is to fit his narrative. As a result of that I don't pay attention to any of his Giants talk.
That said, I've seen Haskins play but I'll leave judging him and if he's worth the 6th pick to DG and the guys who the Giants pay to figure that out.
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and keeping Eli is a disaster waiting to happen. If they go QB one Eli will be cut.
Wouldn't be a disaster for the Giants. Sitting for a year, or most of the year, would make Hankins a better QB.
Those days are over, teams want to maximize their use of a franchise QB on their rookie contracts. He will learn a lot more by playing
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He’ll most likely sit behind Eli for a season anyway
I don’t think that matters much. Lack of games played prior to draft means the sample size is small, giving scouts less to go on as they assess. We’ve seen flukes before, is he one of them?
I like his game and if he checked our boxes I’d get on board, but he’s definitely a big risk.
Perhaps. However, scouts and QB mavens like Shurmur, for example can see things that perhaps observers can’t including intangibles. Different position but how many College games did JPP play in? They must have seen enough to draft him that high. Perhaps apples and oranges, but QB evaluation-wise, I trust in Shurmur. A lot. And yes, he could be wrong long term
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and keeping Eli is a disaster waiting to happen. If they go QB one Eli will be cut.
Wouldn't be a disaster for the Giants. Sitting for a year, or most of the year, would make Hankins a better QB.
Those days are over, teams want to maximize their use of a franchise QB on their rookie contracts. He will learn a lot more by playing
Those days are over? Patrick Mahomes just sat for a year last year. This season was his first year as a starter. The Browns just attempted to have Mayfield sit for a year by trading a 3rd round pick for Tyrod Taylor. Taylor struggled so they were forced to play Mayfield earlier than anticipated. The Bills signed AJ McCarron to serve as the stopgap for Josh Allen and also started Peterman instead of Allen because they intended for Allen to sit for his rookie season.
If someone trades up in front of you, then so be it. You will have your choice of the best OL in the draft at 6 in Williams, or one of Q. Williams, Allen, and/or Greedy Williams on defense. There is WAY too many other needs for the Giants right now to give up more draft capital over the next 2 years. Especially with the Giants drafting so high in Round 2 and Round 4 this year.
I love this. You need someone to trade down with who values a specific player at your spot. The “let’s trade back” crew is always hilarious. Like you snap your fingers and pickup an extra 2 and 3
When it comes to anything Boomer says about tha Giants/Eli I take with a grain of salt, if that. Having listened to his show for years it's clear as day he has a bias and a lot of what he says regarding anything Giants is to fit his narrative. As a result of that I don't pay attention to any of his Giants talk.
That said, I've seen Haskins play but I'll leave judging him and if he's worth the 6th pick to DG and the guys who the Giants pay to figure that out.
Well said.
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He’ll most likely sit behind Eli for a season anyway
I don’t think that matters much. Lack of games played prior to draft means the sample size is small, giving scouts less to go on as they assess. We’ve seen flukes before, is he one of them?
I like his game and if he checked our boxes I’d get on board, but he’s definitely a big risk.
Perhaps. However, scouts and QB mavens like Shurmur, for example can see things that perhaps observers can’t including intangibles. Different position but how many College games did JPP play in? They must have seen enough to draft him that high. Perhaps apples and oranges, but QB evaluation-wise, I trust in Shurmur. A lot. And yes, he could be wrong long term
A DE can get by on being a physical freak, a QB cannot. I wouldn’t compare games played at QB to any other position.
Why, did it count as 3 games?
Are you sure you're thinking of the right game? I don't mean to be rude, there were games Haskins struggled this year, most notably Penn State and Purdue. He was incredible in the Maryland game though outside of a rough start early on. Their defense allowed 7 TDs and over 500 yards and they won the game. Haskins had 6 TD's (3 rushing/3 passing) and threw for 400 yards with a 73.6% completion percentage.
He said, paraphrasing "he's has success with young QB's, and QB's working behind bad offensive lines".
I immediately took that as a shot at Eli lol
...draft OL, Edge, Safety.
And then repeat.
Draft OL, Edge, Safety.
And then repeat.
Draft OL, Edge, Safety.
And then repeat.
He just doesn't seem like a guy who will function well when everything around him is breaking down. (The clusterf#ck otherwise known as an NFL pocket.)
I'm not saying he definitely can't - maybe he's Tom Brady 2.0 in the pocket. I just highly doubt it. I wouldn't touch him.
He didn't exactly have everything functioning around him for most of the season. The running game was struggling, the offensive line was average for Ohio State's standards, and the coaching situation was in disarray all season, not to mention their defense needed time to adjust to the loss of Bosa.
And yet, he was throwing bullets all over the field, keeping his team in game after game.
If you want to make a case for lack of experience, you can maybe make an argument, but please, enough with the supporting cast bullshit. Are there any other first rounders on that offense? I think it's pretty easy to see the difference between Haskin's and JT Barrett.
He said, paraphrasing "he's has success with young QB's, and QB's working behind bad offensive lines".
I immediately took that as a shot at Eli lol
It wasn't. The Viking had/have a terrible line and the eagles line was a mess while he was there. Despite that the qbs did well. That's what he's referencing imo
"Boomer said draft Haskins, 1/8/2019"
And the Vikings line may have fallen a bit this year but last year they were one of the best in the NFL...
And the Vikings line may have fallen a bit this year but last year they were one of the best in the NFL...
Only time their line was a mess was in 2012, an injury plagued year when Reid was fired and the team simply quit............
Even since Chip Kelly, that line has been pretty solid.
You know, some people on this board, although they may work in other fields have proven over the years they know what they are looking at and can give pretty damn good incite. And that coin also flips, just because a guy played the sport doesn’t mean he’s a good talent evaluator. Just look at the slew of ex jocks that shit the bed when they join a front office.
2) The Giants will not draft Haskins
Enough.
Based on the past, Haskins has significant risks and may have a higher value simply because of the class he's entering with. Only having started 14 games is a huge red flag.
Not a killer, but it has traditionally been a metric that has predicted failure in the NFL pretty consistently.
Then you have the whole Boomer analysis, which is almost always a predictor of being dead-ass incorrect.
Boomer loved Mahomes when the jury was still out on him! Just saying!
2) The Giants will not draft Haskins
Enough.
Please, keep polluting every thread with your repetitive nonsense based on nothing other than what you hope will (or will not) happen. It's really insightful.
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1) Haskins is not good
2) The Giants will not draft Haskins
Enough.
Please, keep polluting every thread with your repetitive nonsense based on nothing other than what you hope will (or will not) happen. It's really insightful.
Just imagine Dave Gettleman watching through tape and having a high draft grade on Haskins.
Hahahahahaha
Delusional people.
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1) Haskins is not good
2) The Giants will not draft Haskins
Enough.
Please, keep polluting every thread with your repetitive nonsense based on nothing other than what you hope will (or will not) happen. It's really insightful.
Just imagine Dave Gettleman watching through tape and having a high draft grade on Haskins.
Hahahahahaha
Delusional people.
He told us that Jonathan Stewart hadn't lost a step and had to eat a significant amount of dead money less than a season after signing Patrick Omameh to a free agent contract. Let's cut the crap with the elite scout nonsense.
The only delusional person here is you if you honestly believe anyone wants you to keep creating new handles to come back here time after time.
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1) Haskins is not good
2) The Giants will not draft Haskins
Enough.
Please, keep polluting every thread with your repetitive nonsense based on nothing other than what you hope will (or will not) happen. It's really insightful.
Just imagine Dave Gettleman watching through tape and having a high draft grade on Haskins.
Hahahahahaha
Delusional people.
He told us that Jonathan Stewart hadn't lost a step and had to eat a significant amount of dead money less than a season after signing Patrick Omameh to a free agent contract. Let's cut the crap with the elite scout nonsense.
The only delusional person here is you if you honestly believe anyone wants you to keep creating new handles to come back here time after time.
Except and most importantly, it will be Shurmur’s assessment that will be valued the MOST, imo. Off of that, I’m confident that DG will either pull the trigger or not
Also, BBI:
"Shurmur is an idiot if he sticks with Eli"
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1) Haskins is not good
2) The Giants will not draft Haskins
Enough.
Please, keep polluting every thread with your repetitive nonsense based on nothing other than what you hope will (or will not) happen. It's really insightful.
Just imagine Dave Gettleman watching through tape and having a high draft grade on Haskins.
Hahahahahaha
Delusional people.
Who are you, his coffee and doughnuts guy?
He's never picked a QB before. You know as much as anyone else.
Also, BBI:
"Shurmur is an idiot if he sticks with Eli"
This made me laugh.
Agreed and the same can be said for that blowhard Boomer. Which is why no one should pay much attention to his agenda filled opinions when it comes to anything Giants.
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and keeping Eli is a disaster waiting to happen. If they go QB one Eli will be cut.
Care to explain this ridiculous statement. Patrick Mahomes sat for a year, Carson Palmer sat for a year, Aaron Rodgers sat for three years, Philip Rivers sat for a year, Tom Brady sat for a year, Kirk Cousins sat for a year, Jimmy Garoppolo sat for two years, etc.
Eli one hops an open guy week one, or likely even in pre season, and there will shouting from the rooftops to play the other guy.
Disaster perhaps is strong, but does the HC want that headache? If they go with a new guy, gotta cut Eli loose.
It also is assumed Eli would be a good mentor, I agree that makes sense, but he has never actually been challenged like that here and maybe that throws him off as well.
It just sounds risky to me. I would not do it. Roll with Eli again, or go with a new guy.
If it was me, unless there is a QB I loved, I ride with 10 one more year.
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and keeping Eli is a disaster waiting to happen. If they go QB one Eli will be cut.
Care to explain this ridiculous statement. Patrick Mahomes sat for a year, Carson Palmer sat for a year, Aaron Rodgers sat for three years, Philip Rivers sat for a year, Tom Brady sat for a year, Kirk Cousins sat for a year, Jimmy Garoppolo sat for two years, etc.
Eli one hops an open guy week one, or likely even in pre season, and there will shouting from the rooftops to play the other guy.
Disaster perhaps is strong, but does the HC want that headache? If they go with a new guy, gotta cut Eli loose.
It also is assumed Eli would be a good mentor, I agree that makes sense, but he has never actually been challenged like that here and maybe that throws him off as well.
It just sounds risky to me. I would not do it. Roll with Eli again, or go with a new guy.
If it was me, unless there is a QB I loved, I ride with 10 one more year.
None of those guys, with the exception of Rodgers and he kinda fell into the Packers lap when he dropped, were going into situations like with Eli and the Giants.
I am not opposed to a QB sitting in general, but for this team, with this QB, in this city.
But carry on about ex-NFL players and scouts.
By the way - you may want to take a peek at what scouts are saying about Haskins too.....
Francessa said he's terrible though. Do they cancel each other out or do both talking heads disintegrate?
Only time their line was a mess was in 2012, an injury plagued year when Reid was fired and the team simply quit............
Even since Chip Kelly, that line has been pretty solid.
Maybe it's cause I live in the area, but that definitely was not the feeling here. The line was solid in 2013. They were better run blocking than in pass pro. They gave up 46 sacks that year.
In 2014, Johnson missed a month due to suspension and took awhile to get back to his usual performance when he got back. Mathis and Herremans both missed half the year. Kelce missed a month and part of a couple games. There wasn't a single game played with all their starters.
In 2015 they were forced to start Matt Tobin and Allen Barbre for most of the year. They were not liked here as neither were good and the effectiveness of the run game further declined. The eagles jettisoned them both a year later and neither are currently on a roster.
The eagles never fell as far as us on the line, but they have had a couple of down years
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and keeping Eli is a disaster waiting to happen. If they go QB one Eli will be cut.
Care to explain this ridiculous statement. Patrick Mahomes sat for a year, Carson Palmer sat for a year, Aaron Rodgers sat for three years, Philip Rivers sat for a year, Tom Brady sat for a year, Kirk Cousins sat for a year, Jimmy Garoppolo sat for two years, etc.
Eli one hops an open guy week one, or likely even in pre season, and there will shouting from the rooftops to play the other guy.
Disaster perhaps is strong, but does the HC want that headache? If they go with a new guy, gotta cut Eli loose.
It also is assumed Eli would be a good mentor, I agree that makes sense, but he has never actually been challenged like that here and maybe that throws him off as well.
It just sounds risky to me. I would not do it. Roll with Eli again, or go with a new guy.
If it was me, unless there is a QB I loved, I ride with 10 one more year.
As you know, Coaches deal with these “headache” problems all the time. That’s their job
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1) Haskins is not good
2) The Giants will not draft Haskins
Enough.
Please, keep polluting every thread with your repetitive nonsense based on nothing other than what you hope will (or will not) happen. It's really insightful.
Just imagine Dave Gettleman watching through tape and having a high draft grade on Haskins.
Hahahahahaha
Delusional people.
Who are you, his coffee and doughnuts guy?
He's never picked a QB before. You know as much as anyone else.
Gettleman revealed he gave Peyton Manning a perfect 9.0 grade coming out of college.
He loves Eli as his QB.
That gives you insight into the type of QB he gives high grades to.
Haskins ain't it, chief.
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1) Haskins is not good
2) The Giants will not draft Haskins
Enough.
Please, keep polluting every thread with your repetitive nonsense based on nothing other than what you hope will (or will not) happen. It's really insightful.
Just imagine Dave Gettleman watching through tape and having a high draft grade on Haskins.
Hahahahahaha
Delusional people.
He told us that Jonathan Stewart hadn't lost a step and had to eat a significant amount of dead money less than a season after signing Patrick Omameh to a free agent contract. Let's cut the crap with the elite scout nonsense.
The only delusional person here is you if you honestly believe anyone wants you to keep creating new handles to come back here time after time.
Dave. Gettleman. Is. Not. Drafting. Dwayne. Haskins.
End of story
Anything else is just blah blah blah
Eventually you need to take the leap and move on from Eli.
Haskins has physical attributes, is a student of the game, he has the tools, the pro game he has to learn, just like Eli did.
Eventually you need to take the leap and move on from Eli.
Haskins has physical attributes, is a student of the game, he has the tools, the pro game he has to learn, just like Eli did.
Haskins ain't it, chief.
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1) Haskins is not good
2) The Giants will not draft Haskins
Enough.
Please, keep polluting every thread with your repetitive nonsense based on nothing other than what you hope will (or will not) happen. It's really insightful.
Just imagine Dave Gettleman watching through tape and having a high draft grade on Haskins.
Hahahahahaha
Delusional people.
He told us that Jonathan Stewart hadn't lost a step and had to eat a significant amount of dead money less than a season after signing Patrick Omameh to a free agent contract. Let's cut the crap with the elite scout nonsense.
The only delusional person here is you if you honestly believe anyone wants you to keep creating new handles to come back here time after time.
Dave. Gettleman. Is. Not. Drafting. Dwayne. Haskins.
End of story
Anything else is just blah blah blah
Actually, everything you post (which is just the same post on repeat) is just blah blah blah.
This board will be a better place when you're banned yet again.
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Whenever a quarterback is discussed there is such a strong sentiment among many here that, “He s just not worth it”
Eventually you need to take the leap and move on from Eli.
Haskins has physical attributes, is a student of the game, he has the tools, the pro game he has to learn, just like Eli did.
Haskins ain't it, chief.
You are a clown
He loves Eli as his QB.
That gives you insight into the type of QB he gives high grades to.
Haskins ain't it, chief.
This is high quality content.
Based on the past, Haskins has significant risks and may have a higher value simply because of the class he's entering with. Only having started 14 games is a huge red flag.
Not a killer, but it has traditionally been a metric that has predicted failure in the NFL pretty consistently.
Then you have the whole Boomer analysis, which is almost always a predictor of being dead-ass incorrect.
LOL
If Trevor Lawrence had the same resume would you say the same thing?
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Take him. I personally hate guys with the Mark Sanchez resume. 14 games is a bit raw for my taste.
If Trevor Lawrence had the same resume would you say the same thing?
Honestly I would still be hesitant. Not too mention he’s 19. If we did take him I would expect that he would sit a season or two.
After seeing his play last night, I am not so certain,I want to see more.
The point being that 14 games may not be enough games to understand a QBs potential.
What happens when a player is under duress, how does he handle it. In watching Haskins play I never saw a moment where he had to carry OSU and was under extreme pressure.
I am not certain how the Giants are able to evaluate this without seeing it in a game.
In the first half, Tua made some big time throws last night. But under pressure, he made some big time blunders too...
The second half, Clemson just put a strangle hold on Alabama.
Tua certainly looks like he needs more time to refine his game after last night.
Lawrence on the other hand. To be a true freshmen, get on the biggest college stage, national TV, etc., and play like that. He way outplayed Tua. I am extremely impressed.
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Pick up an extra second.
I love this. You need someone to trade down with who values a specific player at your spot. The “let’s trade back” crew is always hilarious. Like you snap your fingers and pickup an extra 2 and 3
For a pick in the top 10, there is ALWAYS some team that will be willing to trade for it... ALWAYS!!!
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Pick up an extra second.
I love this. You need someone to trade down with who values a specific player at your spot. The “let’s trade back” crew is always hilarious. Like you snap your fingers and pickup an extra 2 and 3
For a pick in the top 10, there is ALWAYS some team that will be willing to trade for it... ALWAYS!!!
There's not ALWAYS willing to pay full price. This isn't first-pick.com.
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Pick up an extra second.
I love this. You need someone to trade down with who values a specific player at your spot. The “let’s trade back” crew is always hilarious. Like you snap your fingers and pickup an extra 2 and 3
For a pick in the top 10, there is ALWAYS some team that will be willing to trade for it... ALWAYS!!!
There's not ALWAYS willing to pay full price. This isn't first-pick.com.
What is full price?
Is it always the same price?
Of course not.
Its a market driven thing. There is only a MARKET PRICE. And there is ALWAYS somebody willing to Market price. That is the very definition of market price. Now, whether you, as the seller, think that the market price is good enough or not is a different story. But there is ALWAYS somebody willing to pay market price.
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Pick up an extra second.
I love this. You need someone to trade down with who values a specific player at your spot. The “let’s trade back” crew is always hilarious. Like you snap your fingers and pickup an extra 2 and 3
For a pick in the top 10, there is ALWAYS some team that will be willing to trade for it... ALWAYS!!!
There's not ALWAYS willing to pay full price. This isn't first-pick.com.
What is full price?
Is it always the same price?
Of course not.
Its a market driven thing. There is only a MARKET PRICE. And there is ALWAYS somebody willing to Market price. That is the very definition of market price. Now, whether you, as the seller, think that the market price is good enough or not is a different story. But there is ALWAYS somebody willing to pay market price.
That's exactly my point though. The years that everyone wants to trade down because the top end talent is less than inspiring are exactly the same years where the price that other teams are willing to pay to move up tends to be reduced. Why would anyone want to sell in a buyers' market to collect assets they plan to use to buy in a sellers' market?
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Pick up an extra second.
I love this. You need someone to trade down with who values a specific player at your spot. The “let’s trade back” crew is always hilarious. Like you snap your fingers and pickup an extra 2 and 3
For a pick in the top 10, there is ALWAYS some team that will be willing to trade for it... ALWAYS!!!
There's not ALWAYS willing to pay full price. This isn't first-pick.com.
What is full price?
Is it always the same price?
Of course not.
Its a market driven thing. There is only a MARKET PRICE. And there is ALWAYS somebody willing to Market price. That is the very definition of market price. Now, whether you, as the seller, think that the market price is good enough or not is a different story. But there is ALWAYS somebody willing to pay market price.
No there is always someone always willing to pay below market price if you are willing to sell.
You hope someone wants to pay market as it then creates a demand for the pick. But you are completely wrong there is not always someone willing to pay market price.
You'd think Gettleman saying it last year head on would be enough. "People want you to trade down for a hot dog and a hot pretzel".
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Pick up an extra second.
I love this. You need someone to trade down with who values a specific player at your spot. The “let’s trade back” crew is always hilarious. Like you snap your fingers and pickup an extra 2 and 3
For a pick in the top 10, there is ALWAYS some team that will be willing to trade for it... ALWAYS!!!
There's not ALWAYS willing to pay full price. This isn't first-pick.com.
What is full price?
Is it always the same price?
Of course not.
Its a market driven thing. There is only a MARKET PRICE. And there is ALWAYS somebody willing to Market price. That is the very definition of market price. Now, whether you, as the seller, think that the market price is good enough or not is a different story. But there is ALWAYS somebody willing to pay market price.
No there is always someone always willing to pay below market price if you are willing to sell.
You hope someone wants to pay market as it then creates a demand for the pick. But you are completely wrong there is not always someone willing to pay market price.
You don't understand what market price means then...
Market price is NOT the price that the seller is willing to sell at... Its the price that buyers are willing to buy at. The seller may think that market price is X, but if the most a buyer will pay is something less, then that something less is the real Market Price.
There were actually people who tried to analyze that by not letting the clock run down that the Giants missed several opportunities to make a trade.
On this board, we need Parcells to make those type of statements. Then they become part of the vernacular.
There were actually people who tried to analyze that by not letting the clock run down that the Giants missed several opportunities to make a trade.
On this board, we need Parcells to make those type of statements. Then they become part of the vernacular.
Was Gettleman as entertaining in Carolina with regards to his pressers? I have to say, I find him to be very funny & I had no idea he was such a jokester with the media prior to him coming here. I don’t mean this as an insult to him, I genuinely find him entertaining.
What is interesting is that Rivera and Gettleman are similar personalities. Type A guys who are blunt and would rather get to the point than speak in Southern Gentleman circle-talk. And they got along well.
That's exactly my point though. The years that everyone wants to trade down because the top end talent is less than inspiring are exactly the same years where the price that other teams are willing to pay to move up tends to be reduced. Why would anyone want to sell in a buyers' market to collect assets they plan to use to buy in a sellers' market?
Hmm, I not sure how to express this well..
I understand what you are saying, and we don't really disagree in general.
Think of a pick in the draft as an asset.
The asset has intrinsic value. For a draft pick it relates to the players that will be available at that pick.
Every year there are different players. So every year, the same pick number will have different intrinsic value.
If you sell a pick, you hope to sell it to somebody that perhaps overvalues it and you can get more. But, I think most teams (there may be a few outliers here) have gotten pretty good at valuing picks. So your expectation is that you will get something back that has nearly same intrinsic value PLUS something more for the additional risk that comes with trading a known commodity for an unknown commodity.
But you are going to get what the market dictates, either a player of said market value, or something in a trade of said market value. It doesn't really matter, its not like you get to pick a player that will far exceed the market value. If that were the case, the market value for the pick would be higher. You get what the market dictates for the player available (said player or some other package).
Here is the important thing though. When you trade down, you are taking a risk. When you have a pick on the clock, the players available are known and the pick can precisely valued. The picks you get in return come later, and you don't know what players will be available. So the compensation has to be something more than the value of the player that is actually available to make up for the additional risk. Do this enough times, and the team trading down will generally get a better return in the long run. It may be more variable, but overall better.
That is why teams that trust their evaluation process can make more hay by trading down, generally speaking the optimal places to pick (Non QBs) are from about #20 through #50. This is based on some studies done in the past, those picks tend to outperform the value of the contracts they receive.
There were actually people who tried to analyze that by not letting the clock run down that the Giants missed several opportunities to make a trade.
On this board, we need Parcells to make those type of statements. Then they become part of the vernacular.
The interesting thing is that Gettleman later admitted that he did get a reasonable offer for the pick.
The fact is, he simply wanted to draft Barkley and didn't care about any offer that came his way.
I think that is a bit foolish, you always listen to the offers. You may decide you still value the pick more, but for god's sakes, listen to the offers, it doesn't hurt.
You'd think he would have good insight on QBs and he might very well have them. Problem is you can't take anything he says regarding the Giants/Eli seriously because he has a clear agenda against them and he's not being objective.
Also in this case I think his agenda is clear and he's talking out his ass. There's no way he or anyone else can know enough about Haskins right now based on 14 games at OSU.
Does Boomer know how he is on the white board? Does Boomer know how he understands defenses? Has Boomer ever even talked to Haskins to get an idea about anything football related? No, but the fact he was from Jersey, is a Giant fan and has a good arm is enough for everyone to believe he's worth the 6th pick because Boomer says so.
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Whenever a quarterback is discussed there is such a strong sentiment among many here that, “He s just not worth it”
Eventually you need to take the leap and move on from Eli.
Haskins has physical attributes, is a student of the game, he has the tools, the pro game he has to learn, just like Eli did.
Haskins ain't it, chief.
Eat a snickers SaqBar99
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Whenever a quarterback is discussed there is such a strong sentiment among many here that, “He s just not worth it”
Eventually you need to take the leap and move on from Eli.
Haskins has physical attributes, is a student of the game, he has the tools, the pro game he has to learn, just like Eli did.
Haskins ain't it, chief.
Eat a snickers SaqBar99
If you think Haskins is worthy of the #6 overall pick....then you flat out suck at evaluating QB play.
The interesting thing is that Gettleman later admitted that he did get a reasonable offer for the pick.
The fact is, he simply wanted to draft Barkley and didn't care about any offer that came his way.
I think that is a bit foolish, you always listen to the offers. You may decide you still value the pick more, but for god's sakes, listen to the offers, it doesn't hurt.
Why is it foolish. The highest rated player ever is in the draft at your pick. Somebody offers a decent trade. So, do you take the guy you rated as the best player ever in the draft, or trade it away for the unknown (you have no clue what will be there x picks down the line). If you could not get one of the QBs at X pick, then why did you trade?
I think it is foolish to think there was something better. It would go against everything good teams do in the draft. He took the best player available who just happened to be the best player ever (tie with Peyton?).
PS: didn't he just explain his drafting philosophy a few days ago about not forcing a pick and taking the BPA.
Need is a factor no Matter how they spin it.
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In comment 14254224 joeinpa said:
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Whenever a quarterback is discussed there is such a strong sentiment among many here that, “He s just not worth it”
Eventually you need to take the leap and move on from Eli.
Haskins has physical attributes, is a student of the game, he has the tools, the pro game he has to learn, just like Eli did.
Haskins ain't it, chief.
Eat a snickers SaqBar99
If you think Haskins is worthy of the #6 overall pick....then you flat out suck at evaluating QB play.
But everything about your posts suggests that you're great at it.
/sarcasm
Agreed and Boomer is no expert.
His take today was the Giants should trade up to #1 to get him, no question about it.
And that's before factoring in that just because someone plays a position doesn't mean they can evaluate that position. Cough*John Elway*Cough.
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Some consensus top qb picks didn't work out and some great qb's went in later rounds or late in the first. Drafting qb's is a very difficult call. In my opinion, for a fan, let alone an 'expert', to say that a qb prospect is an obvious choice or is terrible isn't right. Let's leave that judgment to the professionals.
Agreed and Boomer is no expert.
His take today was the Giants should trade up to #1 to get him, no question about it.
Boomer hates the Giants
That's why he wants them to get Haskins. So they suck
I realize that's not dispositive because teams do pick based on need and also over-value QBs. But it's enough for me if DG decides to pass on Haskins.
Why is it a disaster waiting to happen? Seriously, why? Don’t tell me media driven qb controversy garbage.
Why?