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Boomer on Haskins

joeinpa : 1/8/2019 8:31 am
He stands tall in the pocket, has great throwing motion and quick release. He s got everything you need to be an NFL quarterback; plus he s a great kid and wants to play for the Giants.

I know, it s Boomer, and I’m in the 10% here that value his take on the NFL and football in general, but thought his take here was worth sharing.

He also believes Good chance Haskins won’t be there when Giants pick at 6.
If Haskins is worth the pick at 6  
BillT : 1/8/2019 8:35 am : link
Then he’s worth a higher pick than that and someone will trade up to get him. So, if we want him we probably need to trade up.
Sounds like the ideal scenario...  
JCin332 : 1/8/2019 8:39 am : link
one of the impact defensive players preferably ER will fall to the Giants @ 6...
Haskins..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/8/2019 8:42 am : link
may not be there at 6, but the process and rankings will be very fluid over the next few months.

Based on the past, Haskins has significant risks and may have a higher value simply because of the class he's entering with. Only having started 14 games is a huge red flag.

Not a killer, but it has traditionally been a metric that has predicted failure in the NFL pretty consistently.

Then you have the whole Boomer analysis, which is almost always a predictor of being dead-ass incorrect.
Boomer doesn’t know what he talking about  
GoBlue6599 : 1/8/2019 8:42 am : link
Says the message board filled with ex NFL players and wannabe scouts
RE: If Haskins is worth the pick at 6  
lawguy9801 : 1/8/2019 8:44 am : link
In comment 14253699 BillT said:
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Then he’s worth a higher pick than that and someone will trade up to get him. So, if we want him we probably need to trade up.


Trey and Mike were talking about this on ESPN this morning. If he indeed has a high first round grade after the combine and offseason workouts, Jax or another team in need of a ab will definitely try to trade up in front of NYG. Gettleman had better be ready to trade up if necessary and he thinks Haskins is the guy.
No..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/8/2019 8:45 am : link
more like Boomer doesn't know what he's talking about based on his body of work that has shown repeatedly he doesn't know what he's talking about.

But carry on about ex-NFL players and scouts.

By the way - you may want to take a peek at what scouts are saying about Haskins too.....
RE: No..  
TommyWiseau : 1/8/2019 8:49 am : link
In comment 14253710 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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more like Boomer doesn't know what he's talking about based on his body of work that has shown repeatedly he doesn't know what he's talking about.

But carry on about ex-NFL players and scouts.

By the way - you may want to take a peek at what scouts are saying about Haskins too.....


Yeah he doesn't know what he is talking about when it comes to QBs. He was just jizzing all over Mahomes, Baker Mayfield, Darnold and Deshaun Watson in the pre draft process for no reason
He hated Eli with an obvious bias  
LauderdaleMatty : 1/8/2019 8:50 am : link
For whatever reason. He's also a dick. Doesn't mean hendoesnt have good insights but he's hated for a bit for a reason

I'm good w Haskins at 6 if he's hands down worth it. Darnold vs Barkley wasn't close. Haskins bs whom ever will be at 6 is most likely much different. Only guys i think are sure fire studs right now are QWilliams and Bosa
If Shurmur’s good with him,  
Big Blue '56 : 1/8/2019 8:52 am : link
I certainly am. That’s one area where Shurmur has expertise, imv
Also, re games played,  
Big Blue '56 : 1/8/2019 8:57 am : link
He’ll most likely sit behind Eli for a season anyway
I strongly doubt they take a QB at 6  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/8/2019 9:02 am : link
if they have a differencemaker sitting there at OL or DL or DB.
Where is the logic?  
GeorgeAdams33 : 1/8/2019 9:03 am : link
Some people want to make Haskins out to be worth the first pick in the draft. I keep reading that if you are going to draft a guy that you think is a starter in this league it doesn't matter how high you force the pick. Some of you see Joe Montana in the 3rd & Tom Brady in the 6th so you reason that they should've been the first pick in their respective drafts. Russell Wilson & Das Prescott are starters duo they should've been top 5 picks I guess. The Vikings must've thought Cousins was drafted before RG3.
I Haskins grades out as a top 10 pick I can see why he might go top 5, but teams would be passing on some much more valuable players just because they overvalue and then overdraft Quarterbacks.
Most people value quarterbacks pretty highly on the list.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/8/2019 9:05 am : link
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Haskins  
Archer : 1/8/2019 9:06 am : link
Up until last night I thought that Tua was a great prospect.

After seeing his play last night, I am not so certain,I want to see more.

The point being that 14 games may not be enough games to understand a QBs potential.

What happens when a player is under duress, how does he handle it. In watching Haskins play I never saw a moment where he had to carry OSU and was under extreme pressure.

I am not certain how the Giants are able to evaluate this without seeing it in a game.

Drafting a QB high  
rocco8112 : 1/8/2019 9:06 am : link
and keeping Eli is a disaster waiting to happen. If they go QB one Eli will be cut.
the problem with Haskins  
mittenedman : 1/8/2019 9:10 am : link
(from my seat) and I'm sure it's been beat to death.....

He just doesn't seem like a guy who will function well when everything around him is breaking down. (The clusterf#ck otherwise known as an NFL pocket.)

I'm not saying he definitely can't - maybe he's Tom Brady 2.0 in the pocket. I just highly doubt it. I wouldn't touch him.
RE: Drafting a QB high  
jeff57 : 1/8/2019 9:11 am : link
In comment 14253729 rocco8112 said:
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and keeping Eli is a disaster waiting to happen. If they go QB one Eli will be cut.


Wouldn't be a disaster for the Giants. Sitting for a year, or most of the year, would make Hankins a better QB.
Could see taking him at 6  
jeff57 : 1/8/2019 9:13 am : link
But I wouldn't trade up for him. Giants have too many holes and I'm not sure he's that much of a sure thing.
This a good year to trade down  
since1925 : 1/8/2019 9:14 am : link
Pick up an extra second.
Spend a 2 plus  
GeorgeAdams33 : 1/8/2019 9:16 am : link
a couple other picks to move up from #38 to draft Daniel Jones and let him sit for a year or two behind Eli. The #6 pick should be used to procure a great defensive player.
RE: Drafting a QB high  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/8/2019 9:16 am : link
In comment 14253729 rocco8112 said:
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and keeping Eli is a disaster waiting to happen. If they go QB one Eli will be cut.


What is it that you think would happen? Disaster seems a bit strong.
RE: Drafting a QB high  
Jay on the Island : 1/8/2019 9:17 am : link
In comment 14253729 rocco8112 said:
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and keeping Eli is a disaster waiting to happen. If they go QB one Eli will be cut.

Care to explain this ridiculous statement. Patrick Mahomes sat for a year, Carson Palmer sat for a year, Aaron Rodgers sat for three years, Philip Rivers sat for a year, Tom Brady sat for a year, Kirk Cousins sat for a year, Jimmy Garoppolo sat for two years, etc.
RE: Also, re games played,  
UConn4523 : 1/8/2019 9:17 am : link
In comment 14253721 Big Blue '56 said:
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He’ll most likely sit behind Eli for a season anyway


I don’t think that matters much. Lack of games played prior to draft means the sample size is small, giving scouts less to go on as they assess. We’ve seen flukes before, is he one of them?

I like his game and if he checked our boxes I’d get on board, but he’s definitely a big risk.
Gettleman will not  
GeorgeAdams33 : 1/8/2019 9:18 am : link
trade down when he can get a real difference maker for this defense at 6
Haskins will not be there at #6.  
Diver_Down : 1/8/2019 9:19 am : link
With such a weak QB class, Haskins is the prize. Teams will trade up ahead of #6 as we will be the projected floor for where Haskins will go. Despite what Tampa has said about Winston, I'm not buying what they are selling. They will likely be hiring Arians, and I don't see Arians willing to settle with a QB that is a thief and sexual predator. Even if he didn't have a history of past transgressions, Winston is not a very good QB who is tentatively under contract on his 5th year option at $21M.

Tampa and Jax will be looking to move ahead. Jax with being tight against the cap won't be able to shop in FA for a QB so they will be looking to draft. Jax is releasing Malik whose cap savings is equivalent to the dead cap hit on Blake with a post 6/1 designation.

JonC. has the right read. Every team that is in competition to draft Haskins will push a blue chip ER to us.
If the Giants take a QB  
Jay on the Island : 1/8/2019 9:20 am : link
they need to bring in a veteran stopgap if they let go of Eli. Haskins has one year of starting experience in college and you want to throw him to the wolves behind this offensive line? Even after the Giants bring in upgrades along the offensive line there will be growing pains until the begin to gel. Keep a veteran in until the line performs well enough. I don't want to ruin a young QB like the Texans did with Carr by playing him behind a struggling offensive line.
We have so many holes  
Bill L : 1/8/2019 9:21 am : link
and next year looks to be so QB rich, that if Haskins is not generational..if he doesn't give DG that Ernie Accorsi "feel" about him, then it might not be wise to give up the chance to build a more complete team which would happen if we moved up and lost picks. I doubt those picks would be late round.
One thing I don't like with lack of college games  
Jimmy Googs : 1/8/2019 9:22 am : link
is I would want the QB playing fairly soon in pros to make mistakes/learn.

If a QB like Haskins was the pick I probably would commit to Eli then for another year as such albeit not my preference.
People need to remember  
Eman11 : 1/8/2019 9:22 am : link
Boomer has an agenda when it comes to the Giants/Eli.

When it comes to anything Boomer says about tha Giants/Eli I take with a grain of salt, if that. Having listened to his show for years it's clear as day he has a bias and a lot of what he says regarding anything Giants is to fit his narrative. As a result of that I don't pay attention to any of his Giants talk.

That said, I've seen Haskins play but I'll leave judging him and if he's worth the 6th pick to DG and the guys who the Giants pay to figure that out.
RE: RE: Drafting a QB high  
Ssanders9816 : 1/8/2019 9:24 am : link
In comment 14253734 jeff57 said:
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and keeping Eli is a disaster waiting to happen. If they go QB one Eli will be cut.



Wouldn't be a disaster for the Giants. Sitting for a year, or most of the year, would make Hankins a better QB.


Those days are over, teams want to maximize their use of a franchise QB on their rookie contracts. He will learn a lot more by playing
He's going to throw a million touchdowns to OBJ and Engram  
Giantology : 1/8/2019 9:24 am : link
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RE: RE: Also, re games played,  
Big Blue '56 : 1/8/2019 9:27 am : link
In comment 14253748 UConn4523 said:
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He’ll most likely sit behind Eli for a season anyway



I don’t think that matters much. Lack of games played prior to draft means the sample size is small, giving scouts less to go on as they assess. We’ve seen flukes before, is he one of them?

I like his game and if he checked our boxes I’d get on board, but he’s definitely a big risk.


Perhaps. However, scouts and QB mavens like Shurmur, for example can see things that perhaps observers can’t including intangibles. Different position but how many College games did JPP play in? They must have seen enough to draft him that high. Perhaps apples and oranges, but QB evaluation-wise, I trust in Shurmur. A lot. And yes, he could be wrong long term
RE: RE: RE: Drafting a QB high  
Jay on the Island : 1/8/2019 9:27 am : link
In comment 14253761 Ssanders9816 said:
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and keeping Eli is a disaster waiting to happen. If they go QB one Eli will be cut.



Wouldn't be a disaster for the Giants. Sitting for a year, or most of the year, would make Hankins a better QB.



Those days are over, teams want to maximize their use of a franchise QB on their rookie contracts. He will learn a lot more by playing

Those days are over? Patrick Mahomes just sat for a year last year. This season was his first year as a starter. The Browns just attempted to have Mayfield sit for a year by trading a 3rd round pick for Tyrod Taylor. Taylor struggled so they were forced to play Mayfield earlier than anticipated. The Bills signed AJ McCarron to serve as the stopgap for Josh Allen and also started Peterman instead of Allen because they intended for Allen to sit for his rookie season.
You have to let the chips fall where they may  
gmen9892 : 1/8/2019 9:28 am : link
In regards to the 6th pick. I would not hate if Haskins was the pick at 6, but he is WAY too big of a risk to trade up for IMO.

If someone trades up in front of you, then so be it. You will have your choice of the best OL in the draft at 6 in Williams, or one of Q. Williams, Allen, and/or Greedy Williams on defense. There is WAY too many other needs for the Giants right now to give up more draft capital over the next 2 years. Especially with the Giants drafting so high in Round 2 and Round 4 this year.
I know we all want the shiny new QB to start right away  
Jay on the Island : 1/8/2019 9:29 am : link
but I would prefer to let them sit unless they have a lot of experience in college and/or have spent time in a pro style offense. Next year I feel Fromm will be ready to start day one.
Trade the pick  
Tim in JTown : 1/8/2019 9:32 am : link
If Haskins is there at 6, hopefully we can find a trading partner, trade the pick, and grab an additional first rounder for 2020 where the QB class looks to be more promising.
RE: This a good year to trade down  
Tuckrule : 1/8/2019 9:32 am : link
In comment 14253741 since1925 said:
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Pick up an extra second.


I love this. You need someone to trade down with who values a specific player at your spot. The “let’s trade back” crew is always hilarious. Like you snap your fingers and pickup an extra 2 and 3
RE: People need to remember  
Ira : 1/8/2019 9:32 am : link
In comment 14253759 Eman11 said:
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Boomer has an agenda when it comes to the Giants/Eli.

When it comes to anything Boomer says about tha Giants/Eli I take with a grain of salt, if that. Having listened to his show for years it's clear as day he has a bias and a lot of what he says regarding anything Giants is to fit his narrative. As a result of that I don't pay attention to any of his Giants talk.

That said, I've seen Haskins play but I'll leave judging him and if he's worth the 6th pick to DG and the guys who the Giants pay to figure that out.


Well said.
RE: RE: RE: Also, re games played,  
UConn4523 : 1/8/2019 9:33 am : link
In comment 14253766 Big Blue '56 said:
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He’ll most likely sit behind Eli for a season anyway



I don’t think that matters much. Lack of games played prior to draft means the sample size is small, giving scouts less to go on as they assess. We’ve seen flukes before, is he one of them?

I like his game and if he checked our boxes I’d get on board, but he’s definitely a big risk.



Perhaps. However, scouts and QB mavens like Shurmur, for example can see things that perhaps observers can’t including intangibles. Different position but how many College games did JPP play in? They must have seen enough to draft him that high. Perhaps apples and oranges, but QB evaluation-wise, I trust in Shurmur. A lot. And yes, he could be wrong long term


A DE can get by on being a physical freak, a QB cannot. I wouldn’t compare games played at QB to any other position.
I know it isn’t smart to judge a guy on one game  
BlueHurricane : 1/8/2019 9:39 am : link
But he was horrific in the Maryland game and that game is a large percentage of his body of work as a starter.
RE: I know it isn’t smart to judge a guy on one game  
jeff57 : 1/8/2019 9:41 am : link
In comment 14253782 BlueHurricane said:
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But he was horrific in the Maryland game and that game is a large percentage of his body of work as a starter.


Why, did it count as 3 games?
RE: I know it isn’t smart to judge a guy on one game  
Strahan91 : 1/8/2019 9:46 am : link
In comment 14253782 BlueHurricane said:
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But he was horrific in the Maryland game and that game is a large percentage of his body of work as a starter.

Are you sure you're thinking of the right game? I don't mean to be rude, there were games Haskins struggled this year, most notably Penn State and Purdue. He was incredible in the Maryland game though outside of a rough start early on. Their defense allowed 7 TDs and over 500 yards and they won the game. Haskins had 6 TD's (3 rushing/3 passing) and threw for 400 yards with a 73.6% completion percentage.
not sure if anyone caught it...  
BillKo : 1/8/2019 9:48 am : link
...but Boomer was talking about Shurmur's work with QBs.

He said, paraphrasing "he's has success with young QB's, and QB's working behind bad offensive lines".

I immediately took that as a shot at Eli lol
No Haskins...  
M.S. : 1/8/2019 9:50 am : link

...draft OL, Edge, Safety.

And then repeat.

Draft OL, Edge, Safety.

And then repeat.

Draft OL, Edge, Safety.

And then repeat.
I like Haskins  
ryanmkeane : 1/8/2019 9:52 am : link
a lot. If he's there at 6 and we passed I'd be somewhat shocked.
Very interested to see him at the combine and Pro Day  
ZogZerg : 1/8/2019 9:52 am : link
I hope he doesn't skip the combine.
RE: the problem with Haskins  
barens : 1/8/2019 9:53 am : link
In comment 14253732 mittenedman said:
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(from my seat) and I'm sure it's been beat to death.....

He just doesn't seem like a guy who will function well when everything around him is breaking down. (The clusterf#ck otherwise known as an NFL pocket.)

I'm not saying he definitely can't - maybe he's Tom Brady 2.0 in the pocket. I just highly doubt it. I wouldn't touch him.


He didn't exactly have everything functioning around him for most of the season. The running game was struggling, the offensive line was average for Ohio State's standards, and the coaching situation was in disarray all season, not to mention their defense needed time to adjust to the loss of Bosa.

And yet, he was throwing bullets all over the field, keeping his team in game after game.

If you want to make a case for lack of experience, you can maybe make an argument, but please, enough with the supporting cast bullshit. Are there any other first rounders on that offense? I think it's pretty easy to see the difference between Haskin's and JT Barrett.
RE: not sure if anyone caught it...  
Banks : 1/8/2019 10:00 am : link
In comment 14253794 BillKo said:
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...but Boomer was talking about Shurmur's work with QBs.

He said, paraphrasing "he's has success with young QB's, and QB's working behind bad offensive lines".

I immediately took that as a shot at Eli lol

It wasn't. The Viking had/have a terrible line and the eagles line was a mess while he was there. Despite that the qbs did well. That's what he's referencing imo
That means don't take Haskins  
ghost718 : 1/8/2019 10:02 am : link
Write it down and put it in the scouting report.

"Boomer said draft Haskins, 1/8/2019"
The Eagles line was a mess when he was there..?  
JCin332 : 1/8/2019 10:07 am : link
I cannot remember a time in recent history when the Eagles OL could be defined as a mess...

And the Vikings line may have fallen a bit this year but last year they were one of the best in the NFL...
If he’s worth and there  
bradshaw44 : 1/8/2019 10:12 am : link
Take him. I personally hate guys with the Mark Sanchez resume. 14 games is a bit raw for my taste.
RE: The Eagles line was a mess when he was there..?  
BillKo : 1/8/2019 10:14 am : link
In comment 14253821 JCin332 said:
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I cannot remember a time in recent history when the Eagles OL could be defined as a mess...

And the Vikings line may have fallen a bit this year but last year they were one of the best in the NFL...


Only time their line was a mess was in 2012, an injury plagued year when Reid was fired and the team simply quit............

Even since Chip Kelly, that line has been pretty solid.
RE: Boomer doesn’t know what he talking about  
bradshaw44 : 1/8/2019 10:15 am : link
In comment 14253707 GoBlue6599 said:
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Says the message board filled with ex NFL players and wannabe scouts


You know, some people on this board, although they may work in other fields have proven over the years they know what they are looking at and can give pretty damn good incite. And that coin also flips, just because a guy played the sport doesn’t mean he’s a good talent evaluator. Just look at the slew of ex jocks that shit the bed when they join a front office.
Good God, stop with this nonsense  
SaqBar999 : 1/8/2019 10:32 am : link
1) Haskins is not good

2) The Giants will not draft Haskins

Enough.
RE: Haskins..  
TheMick7 : 1/8/2019 10:39 am : link
In comment 14253706 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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may not be there at 6, but the process and rankings will be very fluid over the next few months.

Based on the past, Haskins has significant risks and may have a higher value simply because of the class he's entering with. Only having started 14 games is a huge red flag.

Not a killer, but it has traditionally been a metric that has predicted failure in the NFL pretty consistently.

Then you have the whole Boomer analysis, which is almost always a predictor of being dead-ass incorrect.



Boomer loved Mahomes when the jury was still out on him! Just saying!
RE: Good God, stop with this nonsense  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/8/2019 10:40 am : link
In comment 14253872 SaqBar999 said:
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1) Haskins is not good

2) The Giants will not draft Haskins

Enough.

Please, keep polluting every thread with your repetitive nonsense based on nothing other than what you hope will (or will not) happen. It's really insightful.
RE: RE: Good God, stop with this nonsense  
SaqBar999 : 1/8/2019 10:43 am : link
In comment 14253899 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 14253872 SaqBar999 said:


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1) Haskins is not good

2) The Giants will not draft Haskins

Enough.


Please, keep polluting every thread with your repetitive nonsense based on nothing other than what you hope will (or will not) happen. It's really insightful.



Just imagine Dave Gettleman watching through tape and having a high draft grade on Haskins.

Hahahahahaha

Delusional people.
RE: RE: RE: Good God, stop with this nonsense  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/8/2019 11:09 am : link
In comment 14253903 SaqBar999 said:
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In comment 14253899 Gatorade Dunk said:


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In comment 14253872 SaqBar999 said:


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1) Haskins is not good

2) The Giants will not draft Haskins

Enough.


Please, keep polluting every thread with your repetitive nonsense based on nothing other than what you hope will (or will not) happen. It's really insightful.




Just imagine Dave Gettleman watching through tape and having a high draft grade on Haskins.

Hahahahahaha

Delusional people.

He told us that Jonathan Stewart hadn't lost a step and had to eat a significant amount of dead money less than a season after signing Patrick Omameh to a free agent contract. Let's cut the crap with the elite scout nonsense.

The only delusional person here is you if you honestly believe anyone wants you to keep creating new handles to come back here time after time.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Good God, stop with this nonsense  
Big Blue '56 : 1/8/2019 11:15 am : link
In comment 14253940 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 14253899 Gatorade Dunk said:


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In comment 14253872 SaqBar999 said:


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1) Haskins is not good

2) The Giants will not draft Haskins

Enough.


Please, keep polluting every thread with your repetitive nonsense based on nothing other than what you hope will (or will not) happen. It's really insightful.




Just imagine Dave Gettleman watching through tape and having a high draft grade on Haskins.

Hahahahahaha

Delusional people.


He told us that Jonathan Stewart hadn't lost a step and had to eat a significant amount of dead money less than a season after signing Patrick Omameh to a free agent contract. Let's cut the crap with the elite scout nonsense.

The only delusional person here is you if you honestly believe anyone wants you to keep creating new handles to come back here time after time.


Except and most importantly, it will be Shurmur’s assessment that will be valued the MOST, imo. Off of that, I’m confident that DG will either pull the trigger or not
BBI:  
SHO'NUFF : 1/8/2019 11:18 am : link
"If Shurmur is okay with Haskins, then we're okay with it."

Also, BBI:

"Shurmur is an idiot if he sticks with Eli"
RE: RE: RE: Good God, stop with this nonsense  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/8/2019 11:23 am : link
In comment 14253903 SaqBar999 said:
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In comment 14253899 Gatorade Dunk said:


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In comment 14253872 SaqBar999 said:


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1) Haskins is not good

2) The Giants will not draft Haskins

Enough.


Please, keep polluting every thread with your repetitive nonsense based on nothing other than what you hope will (or will not) happen. It's really insightful.




Just imagine Dave Gettleman watching through tape and having a high draft grade on Haskins.

Hahahahahaha

Delusional people.


Who are you, his coffee and doughnuts guy?

He's never picked a QB before. You know as much as anyone else.
RE: BBI:  
Sean : 1/8/2019 11:26 am : link
In comment 14253964 SHO'NUFF said:
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"If Shurmur is okay with Haskins, then we're okay with it."

Also, BBI:

"Shurmur is an idiot if he sticks with Eli"


This made me laugh.
Be honest  
oldutican : 1/8/2019 11:38 am : link
None of you have a clue whether Haskins is worth the Giants' pick. Teams have several months study film, interview him, look into everything about him and work him out. After that, teams will have a much better idea.
RE: Be honest  
Eman11 : 1/8/2019 11:58 am : link
In comment 14254012 oldutican said:
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None of you have a clue whether Haskins is worth the Giants' pick. Teams have several months study film, interview him, look into everything about him and work him out. After that, teams will have a much better idea.


Agreed and the same can be said for that blowhard Boomer. Which is why no one should pay much attention to his agenda filled opinions when it comes to anything Giants.
RE: RE: Drafting a QB high  
rocco8112 : 1/8/2019 12:10 pm : link
In comment 14253747 Jay on the Island said:
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and keeping Eli is a disaster waiting to happen. If they go QB one Eli will be cut.


Care to explain this ridiculous statement. Patrick Mahomes sat for a year, Carson Palmer sat for a year, Aaron Rodgers sat for three years, Philip Rivers sat for a year, Tom Brady sat for a year, Kirk Cousins sat for a year, Jimmy Garoppolo sat for two years, etc.


Eli one hops an open guy week one, or likely even in pre season, and there will shouting from the rooftops to play the other guy.

Disaster perhaps is strong, but does the HC want that headache? If they go with a new guy, gotta cut Eli loose.

It also is assumed Eli would be a good mentor, I agree that makes sense, but he has never actually been challenged like that here and maybe that throws him off as well.

It just sounds risky to me. I would not do it. Roll with Eli again, or go with a new guy.

If it was me, unless there is a QB I loved, I ride with 10 one more year.
RE: RE: RE: Drafting a QB high  
rocco8112 : 1/8/2019 12:12 pm : link
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and keeping Eli is a disaster waiting to happen. If they go QB one Eli will be cut.


Care to explain this ridiculous statement. Patrick Mahomes sat for a year, Carson Palmer sat for a year, Aaron Rodgers sat for three years, Philip Rivers sat for a year, Tom Brady sat for a year, Kirk Cousins sat for a year, Jimmy Garoppolo sat for two years, etc.



Eli one hops an open guy week one, or likely even in pre season, and there will shouting from the rooftops to play the other guy.

Disaster perhaps is strong, but does the HC want that headache? If they go with a new guy, gotta cut Eli loose.

It also is assumed Eli would be a good mentor, I agree that makes sense, but he has never actually been challenged like that here and maybe that throws him off as well.

It just sounds risky to me. I would not do it. Roll with Eli again, or go with a new guy.

If it was me, unless there is a QB I loved, I ride with 10 one more year.



None of those guys, with the exception of Rodgers and he kinda fell into the Packers lap when he dropped, were going into situations like with Eli and the Giants.

I am not opposed to a QB sitting in general, but for this team, with this QB, in this city.
RE: No..  
ajr2456 : 1/8/2019 12:16 pm : link
In comment 14253710 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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more like Boomer doesn't know what he's talking about based on his body of work that has shown repeatedly he doesn't know what he's talking about.

But carry on about ex-NFL players and scouts.

By the way - you may want to take a peek at what scouts are saying about Haskins too.....


Francessa said he's terrible though. Do they cancel each other out or do both talking heads disintegrate?
RE: RE: The Eagles line was a mess when he was there..?  
Banks : 1/8/2019 12:31 pm : link
In comment 14253836 BillKo said:
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Only time their line was a mess was in 2012, an injury plagued year when Reid was fired and the team simply quit............

Even since Chip Kelly, that line has been pretty solid.

Maybe it's cause I live in the area, but that definitely was not the feeling here. The line was solid in 2013. They were better run blocking than in pass pro. They gave up 46 sacks that year.
In 2014, Johnson missed a month due to suspension and took awhile to get back to his usual performance when he got back. Mathis and Herremans both missed half the year. Kelce missed a month and part of a couple games. There wasn't a single game played with all their starters.
In 2015 they were forced to start Matt Tobin and Allen Barbre for most of the year. They were not liked here as neither were good and the effectiveness of the run game further declined. The eagles jettisoned them both a year later and neither are currently on a roster.
The eagles never fell as far as us on the line, but they have had a couple of down years
RE: RE: RE: Drafting a QB high  
Big Blue '56 : 1/8/2019 12:36 pm : link
In comment 14254099 rocco8112 said:
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and keeping Eli is a disaster waiting to happen. If they go QB one Eli will be cut.


Care to explain this ridiculous statement. Patrick Mahomes sat for a year, Carson Palmer sat for a year, Aaron Rodgers sat for three years, Philip Rivers sat for a year, Tom Brady sat for a year, Kirk Cousins sat for a year, Jimmy Garoppolo sat for two years, etc.



Eli one hops an open guy week one, or likely even in pre season, and there will shouting from the rooftops to play the other guy.

Disaster perhaps is strong, but does the HC want that headache? If they go with a new guy, gotta cut Eli loose.

It also is assumed Eli would be a good mentor, I agree that makes sense, but he has never actually been challenged like that here and maybe that throws him off as well.

It just sounds risky to me. I would not do it. Roll with Eli again, or go with a new guy.

If it was me, unless there is a QB I loved, I ride with 10 one more year.


As you know, Coaches deal with these “headache” problems all the time. That’s their job
RE: RE: RE: RE: Good God, stop with this nonsense  
SaqBar999 : 1/8/2019 12:52 pm : link
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1) Haskins is not good

2) The Giants will not draft Haskins

Enough.


Please, keep polluting every thread with your repetitive nonsense based on nothing other than what you hope will (or will not) happen. It's really insightful.




Just imagine Dave Gettleman watching through tape and having a high draft grade on Haskins.

Hahahahahaha

Delusional people.



Who are you, his coffee and doughnuts guy?

He's never picked a QB before. You know as much as anyone else.



Gettleman revealed he gave Peyton Manning a perfect 9.0 grade coming out of college.

He loves Eli as his QB.

That gives you insight into the type of QB he gives high grades to.

Haskins ain't it, chief.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Good God, stop with this nonsense  
SaqBar999 : 1/8/2019 12:54 pm : link
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1) Haskins is not good

2) The Giants will not draft Haskins

Enough.


Please, keep polluting every thread with your repetitive nonsense based on nothing other than what you hope will (or will not) happen. It's really insightful.




Just imagine Dave Gettleman watching through tape and having a high draft grade on Haskins.

Hahahahahaha

Delusional people.


He told us that Jonathan Stewart hadn't lost a step and had to eat a significant amount of dead money less than a season after signing Patrick Omameh to a free agent contract. Let's cut the crap with the elite scout nonsense.

The only delusional person here is you if you honestly believe anyone wants you to keep creating new handles to come back here time after time.


Dave. Gettleman. Is. Not. Drafting. Dwayne. Haskins.

End of story

Anything else is just blah blah blah
For the past two seasons  
joeinpa : 1/8/2019 1:12 pm : link
Whenever a quarterback is discussed there is such a strong sentiment among many here that, “He s just not worth it”

Eventually you need to take the leap and move on from Eli.

Haskins has physical attributes, is a student of the game, he has the tools, the pro game he has to learn, just like Eli did.

RE: For the past two seasons  
SaqBar999 : 1/8/2019 1:20 pm : link
In comment 14254224 joeinpa said:
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Whenever a quarterback is discussed there is such a strong sentiment among many here that, “He s just not worth it”

Eventually you need to take the leap and move on from Eli.

Haskins has physical attributes, is a student of the game, he has the tools, the pro game he has to learn, just like Eli did.



Haskins ain't it, chief.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Good God, stop with this nonsense  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/8/2019 1:21 pm : link
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1) Haskins is not good

2) The Giants will not draft Haskins

Enough.


Please, keep polluting every thread with your repetitive nonsense based on nothing other than what you hope will (or will not) happen. It's really insightful.




Just imagine Dave Gettleman watching through tape and having a high draft grade on Haskins.

Hahahahahaha

Delusional people.


He told us that Jonathan Stewart hadn't lost a step and had to eat a significant amount of dead money less than a season after signing Patrick Omameh to a free agent contract. Let's cut the crap with the elite scout nonsense.

The only delusional person here is you if you honestly believe anyone wants you to keep creating new handles to come back here time after time.



Dave. Gettleman. Is. Not. Drafting. Dwayne. Haskins.

End of story

Anything else is just blah blah blah

Actually, everything you post (which is just the same post on repeat) is just blah blah blah.

This board will be a better place when you're banned yet again.
Haskins  
Carl in CT : 1/8/2019 1:29 pm : link
Think he is a good prospect (not great). For those who hate him (as stated above) he is a better pro prospect than Tua.
RE: RE: For the past two seasons  
TommyWiseau : 1/8/2019 1:30 pm : link
In comment 14254237 SaqBar999 said:
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Whenever a quarterback is discussed there is such a strong sentiment among many here that, “He s just not worth it”

Eventually you need to take the leap and move on from Eli.

Haskins has physical attributes, is a student of the game, he has the tools, the pro game he has to learn, just like Eli did.





Haskins ain't it, chief.


You are a clown
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Good God, stop with this nonsense  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/8/2019 1:31 pm : link
In comment 14254195 SaqBar999 said:
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Gettleman revealed he gave Peyton Manning a perfect 9.0 grade coming out of college.

He loves Eli as his QB.

That gives you insight into the type of QB he gives high grades to.

Haskins ain't it, chief.


This is high quality content.

Think a QB at #6 would force  
TMS : 1/8/2019 2:06 pm : link
DG to cut ELI and get the new QB on the field right away. Unless ELI agrees to a trade (Jacksonville maybe ?)
RE: Haskins..  
.McL. : 1/8/2019 2:14 pm : link
In comment 14253706 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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may not be there at 6, but the process and rankings will be very fluid over the next few months.

Based on the past, Haskins has significant risks and may have a higher value simply because of the class he's entering with. Only having started 14 games is a huge red flag.

Not a killer, but it has traditionally been a metric that has predicted failure in the NFL pretty consistently.

Then you have the whole Boomer analysis, which is almost always a predictor of being dead-ass incorrect.


LOL
RE: If he’s worth and there  
Dutch77 : 1/8/2019 2:20 pm : link
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Take him. I personally hate guys with the Mark Sanchez resume. 14 games is a bit raw for my taste.

If Trevor Lawrence had the same resume would you say the same thing?
RE: RE: If he’s worth and there  
bradshaw44 : 1/8/2019 2:24 pm : link
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Take him. I personally hate guys with the Mark Sanchez resume. 14 games is a bit raw for my taste.


If Trevor Lawrence had the same resume would you say the same thing?


Honestly I would still be hesitant. Not too mention he’s 19. If we did take him I would expect that he would sit a season or two.
joeinpa  
PaulN : 1/8/2019 2:34 pm : link
Only idiots don't value his opinion, people who want to think they are an expert, there are some here who are, but they would never trash Boomer's take on a QB, I guess since the guy was a very good QB in the NFL he may just have some insight that we simply can not have, since we are expert at posting on a computer.
RE: Haskins  
.McL. : 1/8/2019 2:39 pm : link
In comment 14253726 Archer said:
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Up until last night I thought that Tua was a great prospect.

After seeing his play last night, I am not so certain,I want to see more.

The point being that 14 games may not be enough games to understand a QBs potential.

What happens when a player is under duress, how does he handle it. In watching Haskins play I never saw a moment where he had to carry OSU and was under extreme pressure.

I am not certain how the Giants are able to evaluate this without seeing it in a game.

In the first half, Tua made some big time throws last night. But under pressure, he made some big time blunders too...
The second half, Clemson just put a strangle hold on Alabama.
Tua certainly looks like he needs more time to refine his game after last night.
Lawrence on the other hand. To be a true freshmen, get on the biggest college stage, national TV, etc., and play like that. He way outplayed Tua. I am extremely impressed.
RE: RE: This a good year to trade down  
.McL. : 1/8/2019 2:47 pm : link
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Pick up an extra second.



I love this. You need someone to trade down with who values a specific player at your spot. The “let’s trade back” crew is always hilarious. Like you snap your fingers and pickup an extra 2 and 3

For a pick in the top 10, there is ALWAYS some team that will be willing to trade for it... ALWAYS!!!
Just think we are only entering the 2nd week of January  
The 12th Man : 1/8/2019 2:50 pm : link
these threads and responses will go on until the end of April.
RE: RE: RE: This a good year to trade down  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/8/2019 3:01 pm : link
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Pick up an extra second.



I love this. You need someone to trade down with who values a specific player at your spot. The “let’s trade back” crew is always hilarious. Like you snap your fingers and pickup an extra 2 and 3


For a pick in the top 10, there is ALWAYS some team that will be willing to trade for it... ALWAYS!!!

There's not ALWAYS willing to pay full price. This isn't first-pick.com.
RE: RE: RE: RE: This a good year to trade down  
.McL. : 1/8/2019 3:14 pm : link
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I love this. You need someone to trade down with who values a specific player at your spot. The “let’s trade back” crew is always hilarious. Like you snap your fingers and pickup an extra 2 and 3


For a pick in the top 10, there is ALWAYS some team that will be willing to trade for it... ALWAYS!!!


There's not ALWAYS willing to pay full price. This isn't first-pick.com.

What is full price?
Is it always the same price?
Of course not.
Its a market driven thing. There is only a MARKET PRICE. And there is ALWAYS somebody willing to Market price. That is the very definition of market price. Now, whether you, as the seller, think that the market price is good enough or not is a different story. But there is ALWAYS somebody willing to pay market price.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: This a good year to trade down  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/8/2019 3:25 pm : link
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Pick up an extra second.



I love this. You need someone to trade down with who values a specific player at your spot. The “let’s trade back” crew is always hilarious. Like you snap your fingers and pickup an extra 2 and 3


For a pick in the top 10, there is ALWAYS some team that will be willing to trade for it... ALWAYS!!!


There's not ALWAYS willing to pay full price. This isn't first-pick.com.


What is full price?
Is it always the same price?
Of course not.
Its a market driven thing. There is only a MARKET PRICE. And there is ALWAYS somebody willing to Market price. That is the very definition of market price. Now, whether you, as the seller, think that the market price is good enough or not is a different story. But there is ALWAYS somebody willing to pay market price.

That's exactly my point though. The years that everyone wants to trade down because the top end talent is less than inspiring are exactly the same years where the price that other teams are willing to pay to move up tends to be reduced. Why would anyone want to sell in a buyers' market to collect assets they plan to use to buy in a sellers' market?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: This a good year to trade down  
The 12th Man : 1/8/2019 3:27 pm : link
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I love this. You need someone to trade down with who values a specific player at your spot. The “let’s trade back” crew is always hilarious. Like you snap your fingers and pickup an extra 2 and 3


For a pick in the top 10, there is ALWAYS some team that will be willing to trade for it... ALWAYS!!!


There's not ALWAYS willing to pay full price. This isn't first-pick.com.


What is full price?
Is it always the same price?
Of course not.
Its a market driven thing. There is only a MARKET PRICE. And there is ALWAYS somebody willing to Market price. That is the very definition of market price. Now, whether you, as the seller, think that the market price is good enough or not is a different story. But there is ALWAYS somebody willing to pay market price.


No there is always someone always willing to pay below market price if you are willing to sell.

You hope someone wants to pay market as it then creates a demand for the pick. But you are completely wrong there is not always someone willing to pay market price.
As is usually the case  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/8/2019 3:27 pm : link
fans make up concepts in a bubble where the Giants are the only team trying to benefit from trades.

You'd think Gettleman saying it last year head on would be enough. "People want you to trade down for a hot dog and a hot pretzel".
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: This a good year to trade down  
.McL. : 1/8/2019 3:33 pm : link
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I love this. You need someone to trade down with who values a specific player at your spot. The “let’s trade back” crew is always hilarious. Like you snap your fingers and pickup an extra 2 and 3


For a pick in the top 10, there is ALWAYS some team that will be willing to trade for it... ALWAYS!!!


There's not ALWAYS willing to pay full price. This isn't first-pick.com.


What is full price?
Is it always the same price?
Of course not.
Its a market driven thing. There is only a MARKET PRICE. And there is ALWAYS somebody willing to Market price. That is the very definition of market price. Now, whether you, as the seller, think that the market price is good enough or not is a different story. But there is ALWAYS somebody willing to pay market price.



No there is always someone always willing to pay below market price if you are willing to sell.

You hope someone wants to pay market as it then creates a demand for the pick. But you are completely wrong there is not always someone willing to pay market price.

You don't understand what market price means then...
Market price is NOT the price that the seller is willing to sell at... Its the price that buyers are willing to buy at. The seller may think that market price is X, but if the most a buyer will pay is something less, then that something less is the real Market Price.
The biggest problem..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/8/2019 3:35 pm : link
is that a lot of BBI'ers just used the hot dog and pretzel comment to highlight that Gettleman is clueless and didn't try to seek out trading partners.

There were actually people who tried to analyze that by not letting the clock run down that the Giants missed several opportunities to make a trade.

On this board, we need Parcells to make those type of statements. Then they become part of the vernacular.
RE: The biggest problem..  
Sean : 1/8/2019 3:38 pm : link
In comment 14254434 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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is that a lot of BBI'ers just used the hot dog and pretzel comment to highlight that Gettleman is clueless and didn't try to seek out trading partners.

There were actually people who tried to analyze that by not letting the clock run down that the Giants missed several opportunities to make a trade.

On this board, we need Parcells to make those type of statements. Then they become part of the vernacular.


Was Gettleman as entertaining in Carolina with regards to his pressers? I have to say, I find him to be very funny & I had no idea he was such a jokester with the media prior to him coming here. I don’t mean this as an insult to him, I genuinely find him entertaining.
Gettleman..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/8/2019 3:51 pm : link
played up the New York attitude down here and he was a good contrast to Richardson. After Richardson had a heart transplant, he rarely talked to the Media so Gettleman and Rivera were usually the guys in front of the press.

What is interesting is that Rivera and Gettleman are similar personalities. Type A guys who are blunt and would rather get to the point than speak in Southern Gentleman circle-talk. And they got along well.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: This a good year to trade down  
.McL. : 1/8/2019 3:58 pm : link
In comment 14254420 Gatorade Dunk said:
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That's exactly my point though. The years that everyone wants to trade down because the top end talent is less than inspiring are exactly the same years where the price that other teams are willing to pay to move up tends to be reduced. Why would anyone want to sell in a buyers' market to collect assets they plan to use to buy in a sellers' market?


Hmm, I not sure how to express this well..
I understand what you are saying, and we don't really disagree in general.

Think of a pick in the draft as an asset.
The asset has intrinsic value. For a draft pick it relates to the players that will be available at that pick.
Every year there are different players. So every year, the same pick number will have different intrinsic value.
If you sell a pick, you hope to sell it to somebody that perhaps overvalues it and you can get more. But, I think most teams (there may be a few outliers here) have gotten pretty good at valuing picks. So your expectation is that you will get something back that has nearly same intrinsic value PLUS something more for the additional risk that comes with trading a known commodity for an unknown commodity.

But you are going to get what the market dictates, either a player of said market value, or something in a trade of said market value. It doesn't really matter, its not like you get to pick a player that will far exceed the market value. If that were the case, the market value for the pick would be higher. You get what the market dictates for the player available (said player or some other package).

Here is the important thing though. When you trade down, you are taking a risk. When you have a pick on the clock, the players available are known and the pick can precisely valued. The picks you get in return come later, and you don't know what players will be available. So the compensation has to be something more than the value of the player that is actually available to make up for the additional risk. Do this enough times, and the team trading down will generally get a better return in the long run. It may be more variable, but overall better.

That is why teams that trust their evaluation process can make more hay by trading down, generally speaking the optimal places to pick (Non QBs) are from about #20 through #50. This is based on some studies done in the past, those picks tend to outperform the value of the contracts they receive.
RE: The biggest problem..  
.McL. : 1/8/2019 4:02 pm : link
In comment 14254434 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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is that a lot of BBI'ers just used the hot dog and pretzel comment to highlight that Gettleman is clueless and didn't try to seek out trading partners.

There were actually people who tried to analyze that by not letting the clock run down that the Giants missed several opportunities to make a trade.

On this board, we need Parcells to make those type of statements. Then they become part of the vernacular.


The interesting thing is that Gettleman later admitted that he did get a reasonable offer for the pick.

The fact is, he simply wanted to draft Barkley and didn't care about any offer that came his way.

I think that is a bit foolish, you always listen to the offers. You may decide you still value the pick more, but for god's sakes, listen to the offers, it doesn't hurt.
RE: joeinpa  
Eman11 : 1/8/2019 4:27 pm : link
In comment 14254341 PaulN said:
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Only idiots don't value his opinion, people who want to think they are an expert, there are some here who are, but they would never trash Boomer's take on a QB, I guess since the guy was a very good QB in the NFL he may just have some insight that we simply can not have, since we are expert at posting on a computer.


You'd think he would have good insight on QBs and he might very well have them. Problem is you can't take anything he says regarding the Giants/Eli seriously because he has a clear agenda against them and he's not being objective.

Also in this case I think his agenda is clear and he's talking out his ass. There's no way he or anyone else can know enough about Haskins right now based on 14 games at OSU.

Does Boomer know how he is on the white board? Does Boomer know how he understands defenses? Has Boomer ever even talked to Haskins to get an idea about anything football related? No, but the fact he was from Jersey, is a Giant fan and has a good arm is enough for everyone to believe he's worth the 6th pick because Boomer says so.

RE: RE: For the past two seasons  
GiantGrit : 1/8/2019 9:56 pm : link
In comment 14254237 SaqBar999 said:
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Whenever a quarterback is discussed there is such a strong sentiment among many here that, “He s just not worth it”

Eventually you need to take the leap and move on from Eli.

Haskins has physical attributes, is a student of the game, he has the tools, the pro game he has to learn, just like Eli did.





Haskins ain't it, chief.


Eat a snickers SaqBar99
RE: RE: RE: For the past two seasons  
SaqBar999 : 1/9/2019 12:45 am : link
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Whenever a quarterback is discussed there is such a strong sentiment among many here that, “He s just not worth it”

Eventually you need to take the leap and move on from Eli.

Haskins has physical attributes, is a student of the game, he has the tools, the pro game he has to learn, just like Eli did.





Haskins ain't it, chief.



Eat a snickers SaqBar99



If you think Haskins is worthy of the #6 overall pick....then you flat out suck at evaluating QB play.
RE: RE: The biggest problem..  
section125 : 1/9/2019 5:18 am : link
In comment 14254475 .McL. said:
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The interesting thing is that Gettleman later admitted that he did get a reasonable offer for the pick.

The fact is, he simply wanted to draft Barkley and didn't care about any offer that came his way.

I think that is a bit foolish, you always listen to the offers. You may decide you still value the pick more, but for god's sakes, listen to the offers, it doesn't hurt.


Why is it foolish. The highest rated player ever is in the draft at your pick. Somebody offers a decent trade. So, do you take the guy you rated as the best player ever in the draft, or trade it away for the unknown (you have no clue what will be there x picks down the line). If you could not get one of the QBs at X pick, then why did you trade?
I think it is foolish to think there was something better. It would go against everything good teams do in the draft. He took the best player available who just happened to be the best player ever (tie with Peyton?).

PS: didn't he just explain his drafting philosophy a few days ago about not forcing a pick and taking the BPA.
Quarterback is obviously the most important position on a team.  
Ira : 1/9/2019 6:46 am : link
Some consensus top qb picks didn't work out and some great qb's went in later rounds or late in the first. Drafting qb's is a very difficult call. In my opinion, for a fan, let alone an 'expert', to say that a qb prospect is an obvious choice or is terrible isn't right. Let's leave that judgment to the professionals.
BPA?  
joeinpa : 1/9/2019 9:41 am : link
If beat player in draft this year would be a running back, think Gettleman takes him?

Need is a factor no Matter how they spin it.
RE: RE: RE: RE: For the past two seasons  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/9/2019 10:59 am : link
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Whenever a quarterback is discussed there is such a strong sentiment among many here that, “He s just not worth it”

Eventually you need to take the leap and move on from Eli.

Haskins has physical attributes, is a student of the game, he has the tools, the pro game he has to learn, just like Eli did.





Haskins ain't it, chief.



Eat a snickers SaqBar99




If you think Haskins is worthy of the #6 overall pick....then you flat out suck at evaluating QB play.

But everything about your posts suggests that you're great at it.


/sarcasm
RE: Quarterback is obviously the most important position on a team.  
Eman11 : 1/9/2019 10:59 am : link
In comment 14255047 Ira said:
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Some consensus top qb picks didn't work out and some great qb's went in later rounds or late in the first. Drafting qb's is a very difficult call. In my opinion, for a fan, let alone an 'expert', to say that a qb prospect is an obvious choice or is terrible isn't right. Let's leave that judgment to the professionals.


Agreed and Boomer is no expert.

His take today was the Giants should trade up to #1 to get him, no question about it.
If we really want to get into why or why not to take Esiason  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/9/2019 11:43 am : link
at his opinion on Haskins, how about this? He does TV and Radio for the league during the NFL season, and has an every day morning radio show. Where would he have time to actually watch Haskins play?

And that's before factoring in that just because someone plays a position doesn't mean they can evaluate that position. Cough*John Elway*Cough.
RE: RE: Quarterback is obviously the most important position on a team.  
SaqBar999 : 1/9/2019 12:56 pm : link
In comment 14255264 Eman11 said:
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In comment 14255047 Ira said:


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Some consensus top qb picks didn't work out and some great qb's went in later rounds or late in the first. Drafting qb's is a very difficult call. In my opinion, for a fan, let alone an 'expert', to say that a qb prospect is an obvious choice or is terrible isn't right. Let's leave that judgment to the professionals.



Agreed and Boomer is no expert.

His take today was the Giants should trade up to #1 to get him, no question about it.



Boomer hates the Giants

That's why he wants them to get Haskins. So they suck
If you ignore mock drafts (where pundits guess at picks based on need)  
Del Shofner : 1/9/2019 1:14 pm : link
and just look at player rankings for the 2019 draft (where the players are just ranked, without regard to which team might pick them), Haskins is nowhere in the top 10. Often not near the top 10. Defensive players dominate the high rankings of draftable players this year.

I realize that's not dispositive because teams do pick based on need and also over-value QBs. But it's enough for me if DG decides to pass on Haskins.
Boomer is  
Ron Johnson : 1/9/2019 1:38 pm : link
90% douche, 10% Ranger fan
RE: Drafting a QB high  
djm : 1/9/2019 7:50 pm : link
In comment 14253729 rocco8112 said:
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and keeping Eli is a disaster waiting to happen. If they go QB one Eli will be cut.


Why is it a disaster waiting to happen? Seriously, why? Don’t tell me media driven qb controversy garbage.

Why?
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