He stands tall in the pocket, has great throwing motion and quick release. He s got everything you need to be an NFL quarterback; plus he s a great kid and wants to play for the Giants.
I know, it s Boomer, and I’m in the 10% here that value his take on the NFL and football in general, but thought his take here was worth sharing.
He also believes Good chance Haskins won’t be there when Giants pick at 6.
Based on the past, Haskins has significant risks and may have a higher value simply because of the class he's entering with. Only having started 14 games is a huge red flag.
Not a killer, but it has traditionally been a metric that has predicted failure in the NFL pretty consistently.
Then you have the whole Boomer analysis, which is almost always a predictor of being dead-ass incorrect.
Trey and Mike were talking about this on ESPN this morning. If he indeed has a high first round grade after the combine and offseason workouts, Jax or another team in need of a ab will definitely try to trade up in front of NYG. Gettleman had better be ready to trade up if necessary and he thinks Haskins is the guy.
But carry on about ex-NFL players and scouts.
By the way - you may want to take a peek at what scouts are saying about Haskins too.....
But carry on about ex-NFL players and scouts.
By the way - you may want to take a peek at what scouts are saying about Haskins too.....
Yeah he doesn't know what he is talking about when it comes to QBs. He was just jizzing all over Mahomes, Baker Mayfield, Darnold and Deshaun Watson in the pre draft process for no reason
I'm good w Haskins at 6 if he's hands down worth it. Darnold vs Barkley wasn't close. Haskins bs whom ever will be at 6 is most likely much different. Only guys i think are sure fire studs right now are QWilliams and Bosa
I Haskins grades out as a top 10 pick I can see why he might go top 5, but teams would be passing on some much more valuable players just because they overvalue and then overdraft Quarterbacks.
After seeing his play last night, I am not so certain,I want to see more.
The point being that 14 games may not be enough games to understand a QBs potential.
What happens when a player is under duress, how does he handle it. In watching Haskins play I never saw a moment where he had to carry OSU and was under extreme pressure.
I am not certain how the Giants are able to evaluate this without seeing it in a game.
He just doesn't seem like a guy who will function well when everything around him is breaking down. (The clusterf#ck otherwise known as an NFL pocket.)
I'm not saying he definitely can't - maybe he's Tom Brady 2.0 in the pocket. I just highly doubt it. I wouldn't touch him.
Wouldn't be a disaster for the Giants. Sitting for a year, or most of the year, would make Hankins a better QB.
What is it that you think would happen? Disaster seems a bit strong.
Care to explain this ridiculous statement. Patrick Mahomes sat for a year, Carson Palmer sat for a year, Aaron Rodgers sat for three years, Philip Rivers sat for a year, Tom Brady sat for a year, Kirk Cousins sat for a year, Jimmy Garoppolo sat for two years, etc.
I don’t think that matters much. Lack of games played prior to draft means the sample size is small, giving scouts less to go on as they assess. We’ve seen flukes before, is he one of them?
I like his game and if he checked our boxes I’d get on board, but he’s definitely a big risk.
Tampa and Jax will be looking to move ahead. Jax with being tight against the cap won't be able to shop in FA for a QB so they will be looking to draft. Jax is releasing Malik whose cap savings is equivalent to the dead cap hit on Blake with a post 6/1 designation.
JonC. has the right read. Every team that is in competition to draft Haskins will push a blue chip ER to us.
If a QB like Haskins was the pick I probably would commit to Eli then for another year as such albeit not my preference.
When it comes to anything Boomer says about tha Giants/Eli I take with a grain of salt, if that. Having listened to his show for years it's clear as day he has a bias and a lot of what he says regarding anything Giants is to fit his narrative. As a result of that I don't pay attention to any of his Giants talk.
That said, I've seen Haskins play but I'll leave judging him and if he's worth the 6th pick to DG and the guys who the Giants pay to figure that out.
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and keeping Eli is a disaster waiting to happen. If they go QB one Eli will be cut.
Wouldn't be a disaster for the Giants. Sitting for a year, or most of the year, would make Hankins a better QB.
Those days are over, teams want to maximize their use of a franchise QB on their rookie contracts. He will learn a lot more by playing
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He’ll most likely sit behind Eli for a season anyway
I don’t think that matters much. Lack of games played prior to draft means the sample size is small, giving scouts less to go on as they assess. We’ve seen flukes before, is he one of them?
I like his game and if he checked our boxes I’d get on board, but he’s definitely a big risk.
Perhaps. However, scouts and QB mavens like Shurmur, for example can see things that perhaps observers can’t including intangibles. Different position but how many College games did JPP play in? They must have seen enough to draft him that high. Perhaps apples and oranges, but QB evaluation-wise, I trust in Shurmur. A lot. And yes, he could be wrong long term
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and keeping Eli is a disaster waiting to happen. If they go QB one Eli will be cut.
Wouldn't be a disaster for the Giants. Sitting for a year, or most of the year, would make Hankins a better QB.
Those days are over, teams want to maximize their use of a franchise QB on their rookie contracts. He will learn a lot more by playing
Those days are over? Patrick Mahomes just sat for a year last year. This season was his first year as a starter. The Browns just attempted to have Mayfield sit for a year by trading a 3rd round pick for Tyrod Taylor. Taylor struggled so they were forced to play Mayfield earlier than anticipated. The Bills signed AJ McCarron to serve as the stopgap for Josh Allen and also started Peterman instead of Allen because they intended for Allen to sit for his rookie season.
If someone trades up in front of you, then so be it. You will have your choice of the best OL in the draft at 6 in Williams, or one of Q. Williams, Allen, and/or Greedy Williams on defense. There is WAY too many other needs for the Giants right now to give up more draft capital over the next 2 years. Especially with the Giants drafting so high in Round 2 and Round 4 this year.
I love this. You need someone to trade down with who values a specific player at your spot. The “let’s trade back” crew is always hilarious. Like you snap your fingers and pickup an extra 2 and 3
When it comes to anything Boomer says about tha Giants/Eli I take with a grain of salt, if that. Having listened to his show for years it's clear as day he has a bias and a lot of what he says regarding anything Giants is to fit his narrative. As a result of that I don't pay attention to any of his Giants talk.
That said, I've seen Haskins play but I'll leave judging him and if he's worth the 6th pick to DG and the guys who the Giants pay to figure that out.
Well said.
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He’ll most likely sit behind Eli for a season anyway
I don’t think that matters much. Lack of games played prior to draft means the sample size is small, giving scouts less to go on as they assess. We’ve seen flukes before, is he one of them?
I like his game and if he checked our boxes I’d get on board, but he’s definitely a big risk.
Perhaps. However, scouts and QB mavens like Shurmur, for example can see things that perhaps observers can’t including intangibles. Different position but how many College games did JPP play in? They must have seen enough to draft him that high. Perhaps apples and oranges, but QB evaluation-wise, I trust in Shurmur. A lot. And yes, he could be wrong long term
A DE can get by on being a physical freak, a QB cannot. I wouldn’t compare games played at QB to any other position.
Why, did it count as 3 games?
Are you sure you're thinking of the right game? I don't mean to be rude, there were games Haskins struggled this year, most notably Penn State and Purdue. He was incredible in the Maryland game though outside of a rough start early on. Their defense allowed 7 TDs and over 500 yards and they won the game. Haskins had 6 TD's (3 rushing/3 passing) and threw for 400 yards with a 73.6% completion percentage.
He said, paraphrasing "he's has success with young QB's, and QB's working behind bad offensive lines".
I immediately took that as a shot at Eli lol
...draft OL, Edge, Safety.
And then repeat.
Draft OL, Edge, Safety.
And then repeat.
Draft OL, Edge, Safety.
And then repeat.
He just doesn't seem like a guy who will function well when everything around him is breaking down. (The clusterf#ck otherwise known as an NFL pocket.)
I'm not saying he definitely can't - maybe he's Tom Brady 2.0 in the pocket. I just highly doubt it. I wouldn't touch him.
He didn't exactly have everything functioning around him for most of the season. The running game was struggling, the offensive line was average for Ohio State's standards, and the coaching situation was in disarray all season, not to mention their defense needed time to adjust to the loss of Bosa.
And yet, he was throwing bullets all over the field, keeping his team in game after game.
If you want to make a case for lack of experience, you can maybe make an argument, but please, enough with the supporting cast bullshit. Are there any other first rounders on that offense? I think it's pretty easy to see the difference between Haskin's and JT Barrett.
He said, paraphrasing "he's has success with young QB's, and QB's working behind bad offensive lines".
I immediately took that as a shot at Eli lol
It wasn't. The Viking had/have a terrible line and the eagles line was a mess while he was there. Despite that the qbs did well. That's what he's referencing imo
"Boomer said draft Haskins, 1/8/2019"
And the Vikings line may have fallen a bit this year but last year they were one of the best in the NFL...