Not sure how I feel about this one after hearing the weatherman's apology. It doesn't seem like he meant to say the word - and why would he do it anyways? This guy's life is ruined. Link - ( New Window )
People have been known to say this, that’s what a lot on this thread clearly don’t realize. I think it’s far more likely that he simply said something that he’s said in private on TV by accident than this whole imo dumb ”Junior/King could cause someone to mistakenly say Coon” excuse. Who the hell ever says Martin Luther Jr. anyway lol? I find that excuse weak. It seems cruel lmao. Dumbass made a mistake and a bad one, there are consequences to fucking up on TV.
qualified for these on-air jobs vastly exceeds the number of jobs available. In such a competitive industry, I'm sure the network can find someone who can manage to not ever use racial slurs on the air.
Everyone doesn't get to keep a good job if they can't preform acceptable. This guy failed and will need to find someone else to take a chance on him or find a new career.
And the net effect of this culture of oversensitivity Â
and lack of sympathy for innocent faux-pas is that people will just stop associating with those outside of their in-group. Why put up with the hassle of people who catastrophise everthing, engage in armchair psycholanalysis--always with the worst motives as their analysis--and vindictiveness and mob justice? Just more tribalism and fracturing. Jonathan Haidt is so spot on about this, imho.
The amount of people who want and are
Metnut : 9:38 am : link : reply
qualified for these on-air jobs vastly exceeds the number of jobs available. In such a competitive industry, I'm sure the network can find someone who can manage to not ever use racial slurs on the air.
Why limit it to racial slurs? In such a competitive industry, why not fire any on air person who flubs their words. Why not fire any sportscaster who gets the down and distance wrong, as isn't accuracy a huge part of their job?
You do realize that going down that rabbit hole means that anyone can be fired for an unintentional mistake.
actually look at a weatherperson's responsibilities, calling for snow or rain and have it not happen materially impacts exponentially more people than a misspoken sentence.
Next guy that is off by 5 degrees or more - fire his incompetent ass!
The amount of people who want and are
Metnut : 9:38 am : link : reply
qualified for these on-air jobs vastly exceeds the number of jobs available. In such a competitive industry, I'm sure the network can find someone who can manage to not ever use racial slurs on the air.
Why limit it to racial slurs? In such a competitive industry, why not fire any on air person who flubs their words. Why not fire any sportscaster who gets the down and distance wrong, as isn't accuracy a huge part of their job?
You do realize that going down that rabbit hole means that anyone can be fired for an unintentional mistake.
With even minimal Search Skills, you can call up thousands of youtube videos dedicated to news announcer bloopers. In fact, a large proportion of them include weathermen, where it seems like there's a propensity for misspeaking. It seems like it's a very common thing.
To want a guy fired and all that entails, although you recognize it's a mistake, even if you attempt to rationalize by stating., with zero evidence or justification whatsoever, that it's Freudian or something he usually says hundreds of times when he's alone in his bedroom, is cruel. I think it reflects more poorly on those with that behavior rather than on a person making an error.
especially when it comes to someone else losing their job.
Never mind that that a replacement head coach is worse than the incumbent, doesn’t matter, the incumbent must be held accountable. At all costs. Same shit in the real world. Fire him fire her worry about the rest later. Never mind due process... someone has to pay. It’s all garbage.
about this a couple of years ago, but I was at lunch with co-workers and one of our group launched into a tirade about the cashier picking up the phone while her order was being placed. Demanded to speak to a manager and made a huge scene. Actually wanted to have the girl fired. On the car ride back, we all were giving her shit for doing that and she claimed that the behavior was unacceptable and that there needed to be a lesson taught. Nevermind that it didn't need to be her to deliver the lesson - that wasn't the real emphasis of the article
Anyway, about 9 months later, the woman was laid off. She was a pain in the ass to deal with and really wasn't that good at what she did.
So what did she do? Sued the company for gender bias and went off on social media about the injustice of being let go.
I don't think she ever saw the irony or the tie-in to her behavior
Anyway, about 9 months later, the woman was laid off. She was a pain in the ass to deal with and really wasn't that good at what she did.
So what did she do? Sued the company for gender bias and went off on social media about the injustice of being let go.
I don't think she ever saw the irony or the tie-in to her behavior
I am really not surprised to read this FMiC. Hopefully she lost the law suit. I know what I am about to say may sound a little ridiculous, but as our society has evolved, it has gotten worse. Technology has improved the quality of life without question but society has degraded to a degree.
Nothing was more pure than thousands of years ago when people had to hunt and gather and fend for themselves to stay alive. No safety nets. No offending anyone. No blaming others if you starve, etc
about this a couple of years ago, but I was at lunch with co-workers and one of our group launched into a tirade about the cashier picking up the phone while her order was being placed. Demanded to speak to a manager and made a huge scene. Actually wanted to have the girl fired. On the car ride back, we all were giving her shit for doing that and she claimed that the behavior was unacceptable and that there needed to be a lesson taught. Nevermind that it didn't need to be her to deliver the lesson - that wasn't the real emphasis of the article
Anyway, about 9 months later, the woman was laid off. She was a pain in the ass to deal with and really wasn't that good at what she did.
So what did she do? Sued the company for gender bias and went off on social media about the injustice of being let go.
I don't think she ever saw the irony or the tie-in to her behavior
I don't know why, but that story you described reminds me of the nasty women from the movie "Waiting", where she ridiculed the waitress and they end up fucking with her lunch.
The amount of people who want and are
Metnut : 9:38 am : link : reply
qualified for these on-air jobs vastly exceeds the number of jobs available. In such a competitive industry, I'm sure the network can find someone who can manage to not ever use racial slurs on the air.
Why limit it to racial slurs? In such a competitive industry, why not fire any on air person who flubs their words. Why not fire any sportscaster who gets the down and distance wrong, as isn't accuracy a huge part of their job?
You do realize that going down that rabbit hole means that anyone can be fired for an unintentional mistake.
People get fired for unintentional mistakes all the time. This is a capitalistic country.
It comes down to the magnitude of the mistake. Personally, I (and the network) think that using a racial slur on the air is fair grounds for dismissal. Reasonable people can disagree certainly, but I'm fine with what the network did.
The amount of people who want and are
Metnut : 9:38 am : link : reply
qualified for these on-air jobs vastly exceeds the number of jobs available. In such a competitive industry, I'm sure the network can find someone who can manage to not ever use racial slurs on the air.
Why limit it to racial slurs? In such a competitive industry, why not fire any on air person who flubs their words. Why not fire any sportscaster who gets the down and distance wrong, as isn't accuracy a huge part of their job?
You do realize that going down that rabbit hole means that anyone can be fired for an unintentional mistake.
People get fired for unintentional mistakes all the time. This is a capitalistic country.
It comes down to the magnitude of the mistake. Personally, I (and the network) think that using a racial slur on the air is fair grounds for dismissal. Reasonable people can disagree certainly, but I'm fine with what the network did.
That is misconstruing what happened. He didn't "use" a racial slur. People interpreted his word jumble as containing a racial slur.
People have been known to say this, that’s what a lot on this thread clearly don’t realize. I think it’s far more likely that he simply said something that he’s said in private on TV by accident than this whole imo dumb ”Junior/King could cause someone to mistakenly say Coon” excuse. Who the hell ever says Martin Luther Jr. anyway lol? I find that excuse weak. It seems cruel lmao. Dumbass made a mistake and a bad one, there are consequences to fucking up on TV.
SO, your position is that "what is" is irrelevant. People lives rise and fall on your whim?
I'm not sure what your point is here. This is a message board. Isn't the point to chime in with opinions and comments?
The network and a lot of other people also thought that he said a disgusting vulgar racial slur on the air. Actions have consequences.
But you're blurring actions with peoples' interpretations.
My point is that somewhere there is a "truth" here but several posters view the truth to be irrelevant when you get the chance to rejoice in someone's demise.
I think it’s far more likely that he simply said something that he’s said in private on TV by accident than this whole imo dumb ”Junior/King could cause someone to mistakenly say Coon” excuse.
You've never met him; never seen his broadcast; don't know his family, friends, coworkers; background or upbringing but yet you can come to this conclusion. With "dumbass" thrown in for good measure.
People have been known to say this, that’s what a lot on this thread clearly don’t realize. I think it’s far more likely that he simply said something that he’s said in private on TV by accident than this whole imo dumb ”Junior/King could cause someone to mistakenly say Coon” excuse. Who the hell ever says Martin Luther Jr. anyway lol? I find that excuse weak. It seems cruel lmao. Dumbass made a mistake and a bad one, there are consequences to fucking up on TV.
"Who the hell ever says Martin Luther Jr. anyway lol?"
This makes no sense. (It goes well with the rest of your opinion.)
To all the racial justice warriors, why would the word "koon" be the racial word of choice here since, according to some, it has no verbal relationship to jumbling the words "King" and "Junior".
I mean, why "koon"?! Why not something more severe?
because the question cannot be answered why he would utter a slur on air.
And that really is key. Is the guy going to give a "wink, wink" and awkwardly mishmash words, or would he have to be really overt to get his point across to those who would grasp it.
I'm thinking that if he intended to use a slur, his target audience is going to need it to be more direct, like an enunciation of the word clearly and probably while wearing a Davy Boone hat.
But we have to believe the guy just waits until a random date and time to work in a slur. Was he waiting since last February to get a chance to say Martin Luther Coon King?
People have been known to say this, that’s what a lot on this thread clearly don’t realize. I think it’s far more likely that he simply said something that he’s said in private on TV by accident than this whole imo dumb ”Junior/King could cause someone to mistakenly say Coon” excuse. Who the hell ever says Martin Luther Jr. anyway lol? I find that excuse weak. It seems cruel lmao. Dumbass made a mistake and a bad one, there are consequences to fucking up on TV.
good post
I thought it was a bad post before you posted. Now I know it was a bad post.
Freudian slip. Which, I don't believe anyone can definitely support or deny.
My opposition is to those who:
1. Are in complete denial that a logical word jumbling exists.
2. Are quick to dismiss a logical word jumbling was the cause, knowing NOTHING personal about the man himself.
And since there are multiple examples of such a gaffe existing in the media, I don't know can anyone can gloss-over such a fact and claim straight or subtle racism.
Junior has the "oon" sound in it. Guy get's his words intertwined speaking quickly and I can see where that word comes out. But, you never know. On the flip side he could have had a bet with some of his buddies that he could slip it in and make it look accidental and it backfired. Either way, his job is in the public eye and his employer deemed it worthy to release him.
Al Roker has said he sides with the weatherman. “I think @JeremyKappell made an unfortunate flub and should be given the chance to apologize on @news10nbc,” he wrote. “Anyone who has done live tv and screwed up (google any number of ones I’ve done) understands.”
There is a difference between letting a racial slur slip into a conversation, and getting tongue-tied and making the wrong sound which also happens to sound like a racial slur.
People-- especially those reading teleprompters or cue cards-- trip over their words all the time and sometimes they say the wrong words, and often times they say the wrong syllables and say things that aren't actual words at all. Often, the person's brain is a few steps ahead of their mouth, and it causes them to fumble the pronunciation, or create a spoonerism, or transpose syllables.
Next time SNL is on, watch. See how many times Leslie Jones trips over her words. Whenever Robert DeNiro makes a cameo, watch how many times he fumbles his lines and messes up saying ordinary words by injecting the wrong syllables and has to correct himself.
Go on youtube and watch the scores of newscaster flubs or blooper reels for any TV show and it will be filled with actors garbling their lines and making the wrong sounds for words.
Has no one ever heard of a tongue-twister?!?! When people mess up saying them, it's not because the faulty sounds they make are what's really in their heart and what they say in private. It's because they make an error in speech.
If a newscaster read from a teleprompter "The Doctor said Shirley should sit in a chair" and said "The doctor said Shirley should shit-- sit in a chair" would the take-away be that the newscaster was a foul-mouthed lout with "shit" in his heart?
In this case, he wanted to say Martin LOOther King JOOnior, and instead what came out was KOOng.
As soon as he realized he was saying KOOng instead of King, he stopped, and then said King right after.
That's why it sounded like Martin LOOther KOOn-King JOOnior.
It's a little sick how many people, who don't know this guy at all, want him to be a closet racist who sabotaged his own career because he just couldn't help himself.
I pray to god no otherwise innocent boy going through puberty has their voice crack while saying "oil and vinegar."
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I think it’s far more likely that he simply said something that he’s said in private on TV by accident than this whole imo dumb ”Junior/King could cause someone to mistakenly say Coon” excuse.
You've never met him; never seen his broadcast; don't know his family, friends, coworkers; background or upbringing but yet you can come to this conclusion. With "dumbass" thrown in for good measure.
Must be nice living a perfect life
You're right about me calling him a "dumbass". That was uncalled and I apologize for that because no matter what, I do think it was a mistake. I don't think he purposefully tried to sneak this in there for shits and giggles and put himself at so much risk.
I believe he made a mistake but I see everybody and their grandma on this thread just completely assuming it was a linguistic mistake instead of a freudian mistake. And that might be true. And when I say a freudian slip, I don't think it would necessarily even make him racist because he could've just heard it from other people and had it in his head.
But again this is a well known slur that is something that people have been known to call Martin Luther King Jr. since he was alive. This is one of the go-to nicknames to insult MLK. The title of this thread hilariously has quotation marks. There's no quotation marks needed, this IS a racial slur even if it's an accident.
You acknowledge that this guy made a mistake (a word jumbling in one sentence out of countless) but can’t feel bad for him for losing his job, income, career, means to live, and reputation, because you heard somebody else, somewhere else, unrelatedly say something similar?
That seems unnecessarily cruel.
I said "I don't feel too bad for him", I didn't say "I'm happy he got fired". I do feel bad that he lost his job but again, not that much. His job is to be on live TV and if you make a mistake that offends a lot of people then there are consequences. And yes, Martin Luther Coon is offensive considering how it's a phrase that has been used purposefully to insult him in the past.
If he wasn't fired, I wouldn't be here calling for him to be fired. If nothing happened to him, I could atleast see the logic with the "linguistic error" and accept it. But now that he's fired, I'm not going to sit here and cry for him like so many on this thread because the fact is that even honest mistakes have repercussions. He accidentally fucked up and insulted a lot of people on live TV, how his employer wants to handle that is up to them.
all over again. In a video made by Tencent (a Chinese production company) for the NBA fans in China, a number of NBA players were sending messages wishing them a happy new year.
JJ ended up saying "I just wanted to wish all of the NBA [word sounding like "chink"] fans in China... a very happy Chinese New Year."
Clearly he fumbled his words starting to say "NBA Ch" for either "NBA China" or "NBA Chinese" which was not what he was intending to say and flubbed it with "fans" and the result was an unintentional sound of "chink" or "chin" or "chan." And because it was a flub, it had an abrupt stop to the sound before he then said "fans." Just saying the word "chin" with sudden stop as if said in error can produce something that sounds like the slur. (similarly saying "KOOng" and stopping abruptly would drop the 'g' sound to the word resulting in a similar sound as the slur).
He caught a ton of heat for this. How could he possibly say "chink"? What a racist.
But that didn't make any sense. Why would JJ Redick, with no history of racism, use the most obvious racial slur for Chinese people in an official video made by a Chinese production company, licensed by the NBA, and specifically to be broadcast to the NBA's fans in China? It is preposterous. And why didn't Tencent (or the NBA) edit it out if it were so obviously racist? The likely answer is because they didn't catch it either and thought that it was just a flubbed line that only sounded bad when it caught someone's attention and people were looking for it.
If someone were typing quickly and made a typo, the resulting mistake could be a non-word or it could result in an actual word that randomly happens to have a spelling as that of the error.
If you transposed the 'd' and the 'e' in 'rode,' you end up with 'roed,' a nonsense word that has no meaning. But if you did it with 'code,' you end up with 'coed,' which happens to be a word by coincidence. It's the same error, but one results in nonsense and the other results in a word.
Or, imagine a typist was doing the captioning for a live event and without the chance to delete, he left out an'o' by mistake and wrote "Taylor Swift is a cuntry country artist"
Why would the assumption be that in the typist's heart, he thinks that Taylor Swift is a cunt and refers to her by that so often in private that it slipped out in the typing?
He brought too much attention on his "flub" for everyone to beleive it. I bet if he never said a word about it, people would have been far less likely to jump to conclusions one way or another....
Patience and thoughtfulness are in short supply frequently, and clearly in this case.
In a world where many things are caught on tape without our knowledge, and where our acquaintances and enemies can easily be tapped for dirt and opinions in exchange for a few bucks, if the guy was an active racist maybe there would be some evidence?
If it's in his character, and he had the intent or bad judgement to purposefully use a racist slur at work on TV no less, maybe there would be some evidence?
And maybe if the network gave it a week or so to see if some evidence surfaced, and there was none, and some thoughtfulness was applied, the guy would have his job, a news network wouldn't look so rushed to conclusions (not a good look for a news network), and there would still be the opportunity to focus and meditate on casual and subtle racism?
He brought too much attention on his "flub" for everyone to beleive it. I bet if he never said a word about it, people would have been far less likely to jump to conclusions one way or another....
Considering it went viral and he was fired before issuing his apology, this seems unlikely.
His apology may be sincere, which is appropriate.
His job should be ruined, but his career is not. If he has talent and desire, he can overcome this. I hope he does.
Everyone doesn't get to keep a good job if they can't preform acceptable. This guy failed and will need to find someone else to take a chance on him or find a new career.
Metnut : 9:38 am : link : reply
qualified for these on-air jobs vastly exceeds the number of jobs available. In such a competitive industry, I'm sure the network can find someone who can manage to not ever use racial slurs on the air.
Why limit it to racial slurs? In such a competitive industry, why not fire any on air person who flubs their words. Why not fire any sportscaster who gets the down and distance wrong, as isn't accuracy a huge part of their job?
You do realize that going down that rabbit hole means that anyone can be fired for an unintentional mistake.
Next guy that is off by 5 degrees or more - fire his incompetent ass!
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qualified for these on-air jobs vastly exceeds the number of jobs available. In such a competitive industry, I'm sure the network can find someone who can manage to not ever use racial slurs on the air.
Why limit it to racial slurs? In such a competitive industry, why not fire any on air person who flubs their words. Why not fire any sportscaster who gets the down and distance wrong, as isn't accuracy a huge part of their job?
You do realize that going down that rabbit hole means that anyone can be fired for an unintentional mistake.
With even minimal Search Skills, you can call up thousands of youtube videos dedicated to news announcer bloopers. In fact, a large proportion of them include weathermen, where it seems like there's a propensity for misspeaking. It seems like it's a very common thing.
To want a guy fired and all that entails, although you recognize it's a mistake, even if you attempt to rationalize by stating., with zero evidence or justification whatsoever, that it's Freudian or something he usually says hundreds of times when he's alone in his bedroom, is cruel. I think it reflects more poorly on those with that behavior rather than on a person making an error.
Never mind that that a replacement head coach is worse than the incumbent, doesn’t matter, the incumbent must be held accountable. At all costs. Same shit in the real world. Fire him fire her worry about the rest later. Never mind due process... someone has to pay. It’s all garbage.
There is that too... I mean... how?
That’s one hell of a slip.
Anyway, about 9 months later, the woman was laid off. She was a pain in the ass to deal with and really wasn't that good at what she did.
So what did she do? Sued the company for gender bias and went off on social media about the injustice of being let go.
I don't think she ever saw the irony or the tie-in to her behavior
Anyway, about 9 months later, the woman was laid off. She was a pain in the ass to deal with and really wasn't that good at what she did.
So what did she do? Sued the company for gender bias and went off on social media about the injustice of being let go.
I don't think she ever saw the irony or the tie-in to her behavior
I am really not surprised to read this FMiC. Hopefully she lost the law suit. I know what I am about to say may sound a little ridiculous, but as our society has evolved, it has gotten worse. Technology has improved the quality of life without question but society has degraded to a degree.
Nothing was more pure than thousands of years ago when people had to hunt and gather and fend for themselves to stay alive. No safety nets. No offending anyone. No blaming others if you starve, etc
Anyway, about 9 months later, the woman was laid off. She was a pain in the ass to deal with and really wasn't that good at what she did.
So what did she do? Sued the company for gender bias and went off on social media about the injustice of being let go.
I don't think she ever saw the irony or the tie-in to her behavior
Did she have this haircut?
The suit against the company was thrown out and I actually think the company let her off the hook by not pursuing her having to pay the legal fees.
She went on to work for a competitor and was let go there too.
And yet, I'd bet that if we had the same lunch today, she'd still go off on the cashier the same way.
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Metnut : 9:38 am : link : reply
qualified for these on-air jobs vastly exceeds the number of jobs available. In such a competitive industry, I'm sure the network can find someone who can manage to not ever use racial slurs on the air.
Why limit it to racial slurs? In such a competitive industry, why not fire any on air person who flubs their words. Why not fire any sportscaster who gets the down and distance wrong, as isn't accuracy a huge part of their job?
You do realize that going down that rabbit hole means that anyone can be fired for an unintentional mistake.
People get fired for unintentional mistakes all the time. This is a capitalistic country.
It comes down to the magnitude of the mistake. Personally, I (and the network) think that using a racial slur on the air is fair grounds for dismissal. Reasonable people can disagree certainly, but I'm fine with what the network did.
Easy to look like a good guy when you're begging for your cushy job back.
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not willing to give - a person who seems like an upstanding member of society, family man and good guy - the benefit of the doubt. Real tough guys.
Easy to look like a good guy when you're begging for your cushy job back.
Yeah, except according to everyone who knows the guy personally he's a great guy. But you know better, Metnut.
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Metnut : 9:38 am : link : reply
qualified for these on-air jobs vastly exceeds the number of jobs available. In such a competitive industry, I'm sure the network can find someone who can manage to not ever use racial slurs on the air.
Why limit it to racial slurs? In such a competitive industry, why not fire any on air person who flubs their words. Why not fire any sportscaster who gets the down and distance wrong, as isn't accuracy a huge part of their job?
You do realize that going down that rabbit hole means that anyone can be fired for an unintentional mistake.
People get fired for unintentional mistakes all the time. This is a capitalistic country.
It comes down to the magnitude of the mistake. Personally, I (and the network) think that using a racial slur on the air is fair grounds for dismissal. Reasonable people can disagree certainly, but I'm fine with what the network did.
He didn't intentionally use a racial slur. I choose to give him the benefit of the doubt. You don't, because you're a tuff guy. No big deal. Enjoy.
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Who cares if he used a vulgar racial slur on the air!
He didn't intentionally use a racial slur. I choose to give him the benefit of the doubt. You don't, because you're a tuff guy. No big deal. Enjoy.
You're the one insulting people on the internet because they don't agree with you. Have a good day.
SO, your position is that "what is" is irrelevant. People lives rise and fall on your whim?
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SO, your position is that "what is" is irrelevant. People lives rise and fall on your whim?
I'm not sure what your point is here. This is a message board. Isn't the point to chime in with opinions and comments?
The network and a lot of other people also thought that he said a disgusting vulgar racial slur on the air. Actions have consequences.
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to me.
SO, your position is that "what is" is irrelevant. People lives rise and fall on your whim?
I'm not sure what your point is here. This is a message board. Isn't the point to chime in with opinions and comments?
The network and a lot of other people also thought that he said a disgusting vulgar racial slur on the air. Actions have consequences.
But you're blurring actions with peoples' interpretations.
My point is that somewhere there is a "truth" here but several posters view the truth to be irrelevant when you get the chance to rejoice in someone's demise.
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Who cares if he used a vulgar racial slur on the air!
He didn't intentionally use a racial slur. I choose to give him the benefit of the doubt. You don't, because you're a tuff guy. No big deal. Enjoy.
You're the one insulting people on the internet because they don't agree with you. Have a good day.
Not insulting anyone. Just some real tough guys with some tough stances.
You've never met him; never seen his broadcast; don't know his family, friends, coworkers; background or upbringing but yet you can come to this conclusion. With "dumbass" thrown in for good measure.
Must be nice living a perfect life
"Who the hell ever says Martin Luther Jr. anyway lol?"
This makes no sense. (It goes well with the rest of your opinion.)
The irony of siding with a majority because a lot of people thought the same thing on a thread about race is just dripping with hypocrisy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qJOA4Tt3Ko
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDTXsRWIE-o
To all the racial justice warriors, why would the word "koon" be the racial word of choice here since, according to some, it has no verbal relationship to jumbling the words "King" and "Junior".
I mean, why "koon"?! Why not something more severe?
And that really is key. Is the guy going to give a "wink, wink" and awkwardly mishmash words, or would he have to be really overt to get his point across to those who would grasp it.
I'm thinking that if he intended to use a slur, his target audience is going to need it to be more direct, like an enunciation of the word clearly and probably while wearing a Davy Boone hat.
But we have to believe the guy just waits until a random date and time to work in a slur. Was he waiting since last February to get a chance to say Martin Luther Coon King?
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People have been known to say this, that’s what a lot on this thread clearly don’t realize. I think it’s far more likely that he simply said something that he’s said in private on TV by accident than this whole imo dumb ”Junior/King could cause someone to mistakenly say Coon” excuse. Who the hell ever says Martin Luther Jr. anyway lol? I find that excuse weak. It seems cruel lmao. Dumbass made a mistake and a bad one, there are consequences to fucking up on TV.
good post
I thought it was a bad post before you posted. Now I know it was a bad post.
My opposition is to those who:
1. Are in complete denial that a logical word jumbling exists.
2. Are quick to dismiss a logical word jumbling was the cause, knowing NOTHING personal about the man himself.
And since there are multiple examples of such a gaffe existing in the media, I don't know can anyone can gloss-over such a fact and claim straight or subtle racism.
People-- especially those reading teleprompters or cue cards-- trip over their words all the time and sometimes they say the wrong words, and often times they say the wrong syllables and say things that aren't actual words at all. Often, the person's brain is a few steps ahead of their mouth, and it causes them to fumble the pronunciation, or create a spoonerism, or transpose syllables.
Next time SNL is on, watch. See how many times Leslie Jones trips over her words. Whenever Robert DeNiro makes a cameo, watch how many times he fumbles his lines and messes up saying ordinary words by injecting the wrong syllables and has to correct himself.
Go on youtube and watch the scores of newscaster flubs or blooper reels for any TV show and it will be filled with actors garbling their lines and making the wrong sounds for words.
Has no one ever heard of a tongue-twister?!?! When people mess up saying them, it's not because the faulty sounds they make are what's really in their heart and what they say in private. It's because they make an error in speech.
If a newscaster read from a teleprompter "The Doctor said Shirley should sit in a chair" and said "The doctor said Shirley should shit-- sit in a chair" would the take-away be that the newscaster was a foul-mouthed lout with "shit" in his heart?
In this case, he wanted to say Martin LOOther King JOOnior, and instead what came out was KOOng.
As soon as he realized he was saying KOOng instead of King, he stopped, and then said King right after.
That's why it sounded like Martin LOOther KOOn-King JOOnior.
It's a little sick how many people, who don't know this guy at all, want him to be a closet racist who sabotaged his own career because he just couldn't help himself.
I pray to god no otherwise innocent boy going through puberty has their voice crack while saying "oil and vinegar."
I think it’s far more likely that he simply said something that he’s said in private on TV by accident than this whole imo dumb ”Junior/King could cause someone to mistakenly say Coon” excuse.
You've never met him; never seen his broadcast; don't know his family, friends, coworkers; background or upbringing but yet you can come to this conclusion. With "dumbass" thrown in for good measure.
Must be nice living a perfect life
You're right about me calling him a "dumbass". That was uncalled and I apologize for that because no matter what, I do think it was a mistake. I don't think he purposefully tried to sneak this in there for shits and giggles and put himself at so much risk.
I believe he made a mistake but I see everybody and their grandma on this thread just completely assuming it was a linguistic mistake instead of a freudian mistake. And that might be true. And when I say a freudian slip, I don't think it would necessarily even make him racist because he could've just heard it from other people and had it in his head.
But again this is a well known slur that is something that people have been known to call Martin Luther King Jr. since he was alive. This is one of the go-to nicknames to insult MLK. The title of this thread hilariously has quotation marks. There's no quotation marks needed, this IS a racial slur even if it's an accident.
Yeah, I just can’t get behind that.
You acknowledge that this guy made a mistake (a word jumbling in one sentence out of countless) but can’t feel bad for him for losing his job, income, career, means to live, and reputation, because you heard somebody else, somewhere else, unrelatedly say something similar?
That seems unnecessarily cruel.
I said "I don't feel too bad for him", I didn't say "I'm happy he got fired". I do feel bad that he lost his job but again, not that much. His job is to be on live TV and if you make a mistake that offends a lot of people then there are consequences. And yes, Martin Luther Coon is offensive considering how it's a phrase that has been used purposefully to insult him in the past.
If he wasn't fired, I wouldn't be here calling for him to be fired. If nothing happened to him, I could atleast see the logic with the "linguistic error" and accept it. But now that he's fired, I'm not going to sit here and cry for him like so many on this thread because the fact is that even honest mistakes have repercussions. He accidentally fucked up and insulted a lot of people on live TV, how his employer wants to handle that is up to them.
JJ ended up saying "I just wanted to wish all of the NBA [word sounding like "chink"] fans in China... a very happy Chinese New Year."
Clearly he fumbled his words starting to say "NBA Ch" for either "NBA China" or "NBA Chinese" which was not what he was intending to say and flubbed it with "fans" and the result was an unintentional sound of "chink" or "chin" or "chan." And because it was a flub, it had an abrupt stop to the sound before he then said "fans." Just saying the word "chin" with sudden stop as if said in error can produce something that sounds like the slur. (similarly saying "KOOng" and stopping abruptly would drop the 'g' sound to the word resulting in a similar sound as the slur).
He caught a ton of heat for this. How could he possibly say "chink"? What a racist.
But that didn't make any sense. Why would JJ Redick, with no history of racism, use the most obvious racial slur for Chinese people in an official video made by a Chinese production company, licensed by the NBA, and specifically to be broadcast to the NBA's fans in China? It is preposterous. And why didn't Tencent (or the NBA) edit it out if it were so obviously racist? The likely answer is because they didn't catch it either and thought that it was just a flubbed line that only sounded bad when it caught someone's attention and people were looking for it.
If you transposed the 'd' and the 'e' in 'rode,' you end up with 'roed,' a nonsense word that has no meaning. But if you did it with 'code,' you end up with 'coed,' which happens to be a word by coincidence. It's the same error, but one results in nonsense and the other results in a word.
Or, imagine a typist was doing the captioning for a live event and without the chance to delete, he left out an'o' by mistake and wrote "Taylor Swift is a cuntry country artist"
Why would the assumption be that in the typist's heart, he thinks that Taylor Swift is a cunt and refers to her by that so often in private that it slipped out in the typing?
That seems ridiculous to me.
He brought too much attention on his "flub" for everyone to beleive it. I bet if he never said a word about it, people would have been far less likely to jump to conclusions one way or another....
In a world where many things are caught on tape without our knowledge, and where our acquaintances and enemies can easily be tapped for dirt and opinions in exchange for a few bucks, if the guy was an active racist maybe there would be some evidence?
If it's in his character, and he had the intent or bad judgement to purposefully use a racist slur at work on TV no less, maybe there would be some evidence?
And maybe if the network gave it a week or so to see if some evidence surfaced, and there was none, and some thoughtfulness was applied, the guy would have his job, a news network wouldn't look so rushed to conclusions (not a good look for a news network), and there would still be the opportunity to focus and meditate on casual and subtle racism?
So, if I said, "Osi's erratic behavior is extremely odd today; he's acting very queer".
That would be a racial slur according to you?!
He brought too much attention on his "flub" for everyone to beleive it. I bet if he never said a word about it, people would have been far less likely to jump to conclusions one way or another....
Considering it went viral and he was fired before issuing his apology, this seems unlikely.