the qb until Lawrence is eligible to be drafted, draft him and make him the franchise qb for the 14 years. I mean after all, he did have one great game!
One great game?
The kid is a phenom. A freaking prodigy.
Remember nick bosa basically took this year off too.
Come on, he had a serious injury and had surgery. He MIGHT'VE been healthy enough to play in the bowl game but so what. Plenty of guys don't play in their bowl games.
Those are the rules. You could just as easily say Saquon shouldn’t play until he is eligible for a big contract.
Furthermore, Lawrence has a lot to learn. He also needs to add weight and get stronger
I think most of us know the rules.
But you understand Lawrence would be the #1 pick this year? So his value as a prospect can't get any higher. NFL draft slots are basically slotted, so the ability to negotiate is minimal.
Playing another down for Clemson is ALL risk for Lawrence for this point forward. What is the upside?
who had 11 college games under his belt and hasn't played competitively in 2 years. How many pros have trouble readjusting after being out 2 years? Plus, so much of QB is mental, he'd be missing a lot of valuable experience in reading defenses and making good decisions.
who had 11 college games under his belt and hasn't played competitively in 2 years. How many pros have trouble readjusting after being out 2 years? Plus, so much of QB is mental, he'd be missing a lot of valuable experience in reading defenses and making good decisions.
sounds like the premise is for him to play in 2019 and sit out the 2020 season, so it would be 1 year without playing
time. He has TWO SEASONS left before he can go to the NFL.
2021 Draft - not 2020.
Right. 2020 season, 2021 draft. People are asking if he should play the 2020 season.
I'd argue he should be done with college football, but 2 years away from the sport is a little much to ask. Play 2019, then sit out 2020 and enter the 2021 draft.
I am confident dep KNOWS HE HAS YEARS OF ELIGIBILITY LEFT - thats why hes posing the question. If he was eligible, he would have already declared.
The point he is (logically) making is - if Lawrence has cemented himself as the best QB not currently playing in the NFL - and the GOAL of playing in college is to safely audition your way to the top of draft boards - why would Lawrence do a single risky thing in his life between now and April 2021?
Sitting for 2 years is obviously not necessarily a reasonable thing do and he'd get crucified over it by Clemson and college fans - but as some more reasonable posted noted above, there is literally nothing by downside available for him from this point on, and he wont make a PENNY from his efforts.
If he leaves school now, and trains he can 1. Most likely avoid major injury to guarantee himself a top draft position.
2. Sign with an agent and take advances to pay for his living expenses
3. Sign likely lucrative endorsement deals
4. Be the biggest wave in this shift away from the importance of college football and maybe start the conversation of how to keep the kids in the game.
If he were my kid - I would 100% broach the topic seriously.
In a year of practice and games his head prob takes something like 200 hits, x2 thats a serious discussion to be had IMO.
you may have a guy who wants to sit out the last 2 years on his rookie deal so that he doesn't risk signing a $300M contract. Funny, Curtis Reilly seemingly took off 1 play as a "business decision" and got skewed here.
Those are the rules. You could just as easily say Saquon shouldn’t play until he is eligible for a big contract.
Furthermore, Lawrence has a lot to learn. He also needs to add weight and get stronger
I think most of us know the rules.
But you understand Lawrence would be the #1 pick this year? So his value as a prospect can't get any higher. NFL draft slots are basically slotted, so the ability to negotiate is minimal.
Playing another down for Clemson is ALL risk for Lawrence for this point forward. What is the upside?
who had 11 college games under his belt and hasn't played competitively in 2 years. How many pros have trouble readjusting after being out 2 years? Plus, so much of QB is mental, he'd be missing a lot of valuable experience in reading defenses and making good decisions.
I have him playing next year. So thats about 25 games under his belt.
who had 11 college games under his belt and hasn't played competitively in 2 years. How many pros have trouble readjusting after being out 2 years? Plus, so much of QB is mental, he'd be missing a lot of valuable experience in reading defenses and making good decisions.
I have him playing next year. So thats about 25 games under his belt.
That's also 14 more games he could get hurt in, if the point of this discussion is that he shouldn't risk injury until he's eligible.
who had 11 college games under his belt and hasn't played competitively in 2 years. How many pros have trouble readjusting after being out 2 years? Plus, so much of QB is mental, he'd be missing a lot of valuable experience in reading defenses and making good decisions.
I have him playing next year. So thats about 25 games under his belt.
That's also 14 more games he could get hurt in, if the point of this discussion is that he shouldn't risk injury until he's eligible.
who had 11 college games under his belt and hasn't played competitively in 2 years. How many pros have trouble readjusting after being out 2 years? Plus, so much of QB is mental, he'd be missing a lot of valuable experience in reading defenses and making good decisions.
I have him playing next year. So thats about 25 games under his belt.
and sorry, I wasn't responding to the OP, but to those who suggested him not playing at all til his draft
When he gets to the pros, should Lawrence maybe not play preseason because he can get hurt? Or, maybe, even don't start him until Week 8 so he's not injured in September and October..........
I don't get this mentality either.
But then again...we live in a society full of slack-jawed (m)aggots.
who had 11 college games under his belt and hasn't played competitively in 2 years. How many pros have trouble readjusting after being out 2 years? Plus, so much of QB is mental, he'd be missing a lot of valuable experience in reading defenses and making good decisions.
In practice, I don't think he should take two years off, either. So I agree with you sentiments. But purely from a risk perspective, there is no upside unless the CBA changes where rookies can go back to negotiating a salary greater than the current slotted-system.
I'm barking more at the system that impugns a talented player like Lawrence from capitalizing on his skills sooner rather than later. He's ready to be in a pro environment right now.
who had 11 college games under his belt and hasn't played competitively in 2 years. How many pros have trouble readjusting after being out 2 years? Plus, so much of QB is mental, he'd be missing a lot of valuable experience in reading defenses and making good decisions.
If Lawrence was in this draft somehow, there is zero chance he wouldn't be the top pick. Even if you don't think he's ready (and yes, he does need to put on some bulk), you draft and stash him. He made some throws last night that defy description.
who had 11 college games under his belt and hasn't played competitively in 2 years. How many pros have trouble readjusting after being out 2 years? Plus, so much of QB is mental, he'd be missing a lot of valuable experience in reading defenses and making good decisions.
If Lawrence was in this draft somehow, there is zero chance he wouldn't be the top pick. Even if you don't think he's ready (and yes, he does need to put on some bulk), you draft and stash him. He made some throws last night that defy description.
Not putting his performance down at all. Keep in mind, though, that he had some big, fast receivers catching those balls- Sterling Shepard doesn't make those plays
If giants didn’t get to draft him, same crowd would be angry about allowing players to come out too early like they do in basketball..,you know integrity of college game and all...
He truly will benefit from at least one more year in the minors to learn the more of the game. Don’t forget, he looked lost a few times this year and truly got better each week.
Though he does have a tendency to be an easy target for really bad looking hits.
Tooo bad they don’t let these guys get the proper pwecentwge of Merchandise $, endorsements or sponsorships they rightfully deserve for theIr personal brand in college.
were sure fire #1 and #2 in the college draft in 2020 as freshman. Now after not such great end of season games, they are not the flavor of the month. I'd think that NFL coaches would want him to play to keep up his skills and improve his play. People sit here and complain Haskins doesn't get pressure so you cannot trust what he will do under pressure. Monday night, Lawrence's WRs made some pretty outstanding catches on some meh throws and Lawrence was not under pressure either. Not to say he did not make some great throws or earn the hoopla. Before he gets put in Canton, let him get out of college. Oh, and can the QB runs and keepers.
There are so many other reasons not related to money to stay
It will be a sad day if college football becomes one and some as has college basketball.
I think all college sports should follow the baseball model. If you can get drafted out of high school, by all means go. If you go to college, you must stay at least three years, or, I think, when you turn 20...
If not, then NFL should allow exceptions for those who may show precocious skills - like a Lawrence. Let them appeal to a committee; and if the committee determines you are definite first round material, then grant the exception to go.
Reasonable enough to discuss, but he’s obviously going to play Â
That said, while he was trying to win a national championship and giving it everything he had, he should probably learn not to stick his head in on QB keepers and take on linebackers and safeties to fight for extra yards so often, the way he did several times Monday night.
Nothing wrong with sliding and protecting your head Kyle
He would basically be Mark Sanchez - a good talent from a good QB oriented program with one good season under his belt.
Lawrence didn't really start until the fourth week of the season. Despite that, he put up 30TDs/4 INTs, completed 65% of his passes. He's 6'5", 215. Plus, he was a huge factor in bringing home the brass.
Lawrence is bigger, better arm, makes better decisions, etc than Sanchez. And he's only 19.
He's worlds more advanced than Mark Sanchez. The better comps are Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck.
And that's the right mentality of a leader/QB/athlete.
One great game?
The kid is a phenom. A freaking prodigy.
Furthermore, Lawrence has a lot to learn. He also needs to add weight and get stronger
First, he played three games this year, and was injured.
Then had surgery.
To not come back after that is a lot different than what you suggested in this thread starter.
Completely different.
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....c'mon.
Did Andrew Luck play?
Remember nick bosa basically took this year off too.
Come on, he had a serious injury and had surgery. He MIGHT'VE been healthy enough to play in the bowl game but so what. Plenty of guys don't play in their bowl games.
Furthermore, Lawrence has a lot to learn. He also needs to add weight and get stronger
I think most of us know the rules.
But you understand Lawrence would be the #1 pick this year? So his value as a prospect can't get any higher. NFL draft slots are basically slotted, so the ability to negotiate is minimal.
Playing another down for Clemson is ALL risk for Lawrence for this point forward. What is the upside?
sounds like the premise is for him to play in 2019 and sit out the 2020 season, so it would be 1 year without playing
2021 Draft - not 2020.
Right. 2020 season, 2021 draft. People are asking if he should play the 2020 season.
I'd argue he should be done with college football, but 2 years away from the sport is a little much to ask. Play 2019, then sit out 2020 and enter the 2021 draft.
The point he is (logically) making is - if Lawrence has cemented himself as the best QB not currently playing in the NFL - and the GOAL of playing in college is to safely audition your way to the top of draft boards - why would Lawrence do a single risky thing in his life between now and April 2021?
Sitting for 2 years is obviously not necessarily a reasonable thing do and he'd get crucified over it by Clemson and college fans - but as some more reasonable posted noted above, there is literally nothing by downside available for him from this point on, and he wont make a PENNY from his efforts.
If he leaves school now, and trains he can 1. Most likely avoid major injury to guarantee himself a top draft position.
2. Sign with an agent and take advances to pay for his living expenses
3. Sign likely lucrative endorsement deals
4. Be the biggest wave in this shift away from the importance of college football and maybe start the conversation of how to keep the kids in the game.
If he were my kid - I would 100% broach the topic seriously.
In a year of practice and games his head prob takes something like 200 hits, x2 thats a serious discussion to be had IMO.
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Those are the rules. You could just as easily say Saquon shouldn’t play until he is eligible for a big contract.
Furthermore, Lawrence has a lot to learn. He also needs to add weight and get stronger
I think most of us know the rules.
But you understand Lawrence would be the #1 pick this year? So his value as a prospect can't get any higher. NFL draft slots are basically slotted, so the ability to negotiate is minimal.
Playing another down for Clemson is ALL risk for Lawrence for this point forward. What is the upside?
Exactly.
I have him playing next year. So thats about 25 games under his belt.
Giants traded two number 1st to get Eli and some more.
it is probably a floor for a lawrence trade up.
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who had 11 college games under his belt and hasn't played competitively in 2 years. How many pros have trouble readjusting after being out 2 years? Plus, so much of QB is mental, he'd be missing a lot of valuable experience in reading defenses and making good decisions.
I have him playing next year. So thats about 25 games under his belt.
That's also 14 more games he could get hurt in, if the point of this discussion is that he shouldn't risk injury until he's eligible.
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who had 11 college games under his belt and hasn't played competitively in 2 years. How many pros have trouble readjusting after being out 2 years? Plus, so much of QB is mental, he'd be missing a lot of valuable experience in reading defenses and making good decisions.
I have him playing next year. So thats about 25 games under his belt.
That's also 14 more games he could get hurt in, if the point of this discussion is that he shouldn't risk injury until he's eligible.
Two years of not playing is too long. IMO.
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who had 11 college games under his belt and hasn't played competitively in 2 years. How many pros have trouble readjusting after being out 2 years? Plus, so much of QB is mental, he'd be missing a lot of valuable experience in reading defenses and making good decisions.
I have him playing next year. So thats about 25 games under his belt.
and sorry, I wasn't responding to the OP, but to those who suggested him not playing at all til his draft
I don't get this mentality.
Sit, don't play.
Tank the season.
When he gets to the pros, should Lawrence maybe not play preseason because he can get hurt? Or, maybe, even don't start him until Week 8 so he's not injured in September and October..........
I don't get this mentality either.
But then again...we live in a society full of slack-jawed (m)aggots.
Clemson is not going to allow sitting out for ANY length of time unless the kid is injured.
He plays.
I don't see a major downside to him playing.
In practice, I don't think he should take two years off, either. So I agree with you sentiments. But purely from a risk perspective, there is no upside unless the CBA changes where rookies can go back to negotiating a salary greater than the current slotted-system.
I'm barking more at the system that impugns a talented player like Lawrence from capitalizing on his skills sooner rather than later. He's ready to be in a pro environment right now.
Clemson is not going to allow sitting out for ANY length of time unless the kid is injured.
He plays.
Clemson has no say whether or not he plays. If Lwrence after his Sophomore season says he is done, well he is done.
Giants traded two number 1st to get Eli and some more.
it is probably a floor for a lawrence trade up.
Teams are going to want to tank for this guy. Whomever earns 1 overall for the 2021 draft isn’t going to trade it at any cost.
If Lawrence was in this draft somehow, there is zero chance he wouldn't be the top pick. Even if you don't think he's ready (and yes, he does need to put on some bulk), you draft and stash him. He made some throws last night that defy description.
If I were him - ! wouldn't play another down in college football. What's he got to gain?
Downside to him playing - ask Joe Theismann.
So many things wrong with it - this is one of them.
What is guaranteed money for top drafted QB? 30 million I think
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who had 11 college games under his belt and hasn't played competitively in 2 years. How many pros have trouble readjusting after being out 2 years? Plus, so much of QB is mental, he'd be missing a lot of valuable experience in reading defenses and making good decisions.
If Lawrence was in this draft somehow, there is zero chance he wouldn't be the top pick. Even if you don't think he's ready (and yes, he does need to put on some bulk), you draft and stash him. He made some throws last night that defy description.
Not putting his performance down at all. Keep in mind, though, that he had some big, fast receivers catching those balls- Sterling Shepard doesn't make those plays
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discussion is nuts.
Clemson is not going to allow sitting out for ANY length of time unless the kid is injured.
He plays.
Clemson has no say whether or not he plays. If Lwrence after his Sophomore season says he is done, well he is done.
Ha! Shows you what I know about college sports...thanks Dep.
He truly will benefit from at least one more year in the minors to learn the more of the game. Don’t forget, he looked lost a few times this year and truly got better each week.
Though he does have a tendency to be an easy target for really bad looking hits.
Tooo bad they don’t let these guys get the proper pwecentwge of Merchandise $, endorsements or sponsorships they rightfully deserve for theIr personal brand in college.
There are so many other reasons not related to money to stay
It will be a sad day if college football becomes one and some as has college basketball.
There are so many other reasons not related to money to stay
It will be a sad day if college football becomes one and some as has college basketball.
I think all college sports should follow the baseball model. If you can get drafted out of high school, by all means go. If you go to college, you must stay at least three years, or, I think, when you turn 20...
If not, then NFL should allow exceptions for those who may show precocious skills - like a Lawrence. Let them appeal to a committee; and if the committee determines you are definite first round material, then grant the exception to go.
Nothing wrong with sliding and protecting your head Kyle
He has to play to improve
There are so many other reasons not related to money to stay
There are undoubtedly lots of reasons to stay, but I think it's quite naive to say the only reason to leave is money.
That would show the NFL what a great team player this guy is by dropping out of college football for 2 years to try and cash in. SMH
He would basically be Mark Sanchez - a good talent from a good QB oriented program with one good season under his belt.
He would basically be Mark Sanchez - a good talent from a good QB oriented program with one good season under his belt.
Lawrence didn't really start until the fourth week of the season. Despite that, he put up 30TDs/4 INTs, completed 65% of his passes. He's 6'5", 215. Plus, he was a huge factor in bringing home the brass.
Lawrence is bigger, better arm, makes better decisions, etc than Sanchez. And he's only 19.
He's worlds more advanced than Mark Sanchez. The better comps are Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck.
try a scrambling peyton manning.