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Should Trevor Lawrence play football in 2020?

dep026 : 1/8/2019 10:06 am
Letís face it. If he stays healthy and replicates performances like last night in 2019.... should even risk an injury in 2020?
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Vince Young also was highly regarded  
spike : 1/8/2019 10:36 am : link
Coming out of colllege and won a National championship
He was healthy enough to come back  
dep026 : 1/8/2019 10:36 am : link
....
He stated already he has more championships to win  
The_Boss : 1/8/2019 10:37 am : link
Unless Clemson somehow doesnít qualify for the CFB Plsyoffs in 2020, I believe heíll play every game through the end of his junior year.
RE: He stated already he has more championships to win  
BillKo : 1/8/2019 10:38 am : link
In comment 14253887 The_Boss said:
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Unless Clemson somehow doesnít qualify for the CFB Plsyoffs in 2020, I believe heíll play every game through the end of his junior year.


And that's the right mentality of a leader/QB/athlete.
RE: Well, the Giants could always sign Teddy Bridgewater and ;et him be  
The_Boss : 1/8/2019 10:39 am : link
In comment 14253861 SterlingArcher said:
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the qb until Lawrence is eligible to be drafted, draft him and make him the franchise qb for the 14 years. I mean after all, he did have one great game!


One great game?
The kid is a phenom. A freaking prodigy.
of course he needs to play  
Vanzetti : 1/8/2019 10:41 am : link
Those are the rules. You could just as easily say Saquon shouldnít play until he is eligible for a big contract.

Furthermore, Lawrence has a lot to learn. He also needs to add weight and get stronger
Buffalo, Miami, or like  
micky : 1/8/2019 10:51 am : link
Is going to have one hell of a qb in 2021
RE: He was healthy enough to come back  
BillKo : 1/8/2019 10:51 am : link
In comment 14253886 dep026 said:
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First, he played three games this year, and was injured.

Then had surgery.

To not come back after that is a lot different than what you suggested in this thread starter.

Completely different.
he's a football player...he is going to want to....  
edavisiii : 1/8/2019 11:16 am : link
PLAY FOOTBALL!
RE: RE: now Dep......  
allstarjim : 1/8/2019 11:22 am : link
In comment 14253840 dep026 said:
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....c'mon.

Did Andrew Luck play?



Remember nick bosa basically took this year off too.


Come on, he had a serious injury and had surgery. He MIGHT'VE been healthy enough to play in the bowl game but so what. Plenty of guys don't play in their bowl games.
RE: of course he needs to play  
bw in dc : 1/8/2019 11:22 am : link
In comment 14253900 Vanzetti said:
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Those are the rules. You could just as easily say Saquon shouldnít play until he is eligible for a big contract.

Furthermore, Lawrence has a lot to learn. He also needs to add weight and get stronger


I think most of us know the rules.

But you understand Lawrence would be the #1 pick this year? So his value as a prospect can't get any higher. NFL draft slots are basically slotted, so the ability to negotiate is minimal.

Playing another down for Clemson is ALL risk for Lawrence for this point forward. What is the upside?
I'm not so sure I'd draft a guy #1  
Bill in UT : 1/8/2019 11:36 am : link
who had 11 college games under his belt and hasn't played competitively in 2 years. How many pros have trouble readjusting after being out 2 years? Plus, so much of QB is mental, he'd be missing a lot of valuable experience in reading defenses and making good decisions.
RE: I'm not so sure I'd draft a guy #1  
ron mexico : 1/8/2019 11:39 am : link
In comment 14254008 Bill in UT said:
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who had 11 college games under his belt and hasn't played competitively in 2 years. How many pros have trouble readjusting after being out 2 years? Plus, so much of QB is mental, he'd be missing a lot of valuable experience in reading defenses and making good decisions.


sounds like the premise is for him to play in 2019 and sit out the 2020 season, so it would be 1 year without playing
RE: For the 50000000th  
FStubbs : 1/8/2019 11:41 am : link
In comment 14253867 elisha2014 said:
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time. He has TWO SEASONS left before he can go to the NFL.

2021 Draft - not 2020.


Right. 2020 season, 2021 draft. People are asking if he should play the 2020 season.

I'd argue he should be done with college football, but 2 years away from the sport is a little much to ask. Play 2019, then sit out 2020 and enter the 2021 draft.
The density of most of the posters is laughable  
Young Elijah : 1/8/2019 11:41 am : link
I am confident dep KNOWS HE HAS YEARS OF ELIGIBILITY LEFT - thats why hes posing the question. If he was eligible, he would have already declared.

The point he is (logically) making is - if Lawrence has cemented himself as the best QB not currently playing in the NFL - and the GOAL of playing in college is to safely audition your way to the top of draft boards - why would Lawrence do a single risky thing in his life between now and April 2021?

Sitting for 2 years is obviously not necessarily a reasonable thing do and he'd get crucified over it by Clemson and college fans - but as some more reasonable posted noted above, there is literally nothing by downside available for him from this point on, and he wont make a PENNY from his efforts.

If he leaves school now, and trains he can 1. Most likely avoid major injury to guarantee himself a top draft position.
2. Sign with an agent and take advances to pay for his living expenses
3. Sign likely lucrative endorsement deals
4. Be the biggest wave in this shift away from the importance of college football and maybe start the conversation of how to keep the kids in the game.

If he were my kid - I would 100% broach the topic seriously.

In a year of practice and games his head prob takes something like 200 hits, x2 thats a serious discussion to be had IMO.
And if he starts off great in the pros,  
Bill in UT : 1/8/2019 11:41 am : link
you may have a guy who wants to sit out the last 2 years on his rookie deal so that he doesn't risk signing a $300M contract. Funny, Curtis Reilly seemingly took off 1 play as a "business decision" and got skewed here.
RE: RE: of course he needs to play  
Ash_3 : 1/8/2019 11:42 am : link
In comment 14253973 bw in dc said:
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Those are the rules. You could just as easily say Saquon shouldnít play until he is eligible for a big contract.

Furthermore, Lawrence has a lot to learn. He also needs to add weight and get stronger



I think most of us know the rules.

But you understand Lawrence would be the #1 pick this year? So his value as a prospect can't get any higher. NFL draft slots are basically slotted, so the ability to negotiate is minimal.

Playing another down for Clemson is ALL risk for Lawrence for this point forward. What is the upside?


Exactly.
RE: I'm not so sure I'd draft a guy #1  
dep026 : 1/8/2019 11:42 am : link
In comment 14254008 Bill in UT said:
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who had 11 college games under his belt and hasn't played competitively in 2 years. How many pros have trouble readjusting after being out 2 years? Plus, so much of QB is mental, he'd be missing a lot of valuable experience in reading defenses and making good decisions.


I have him playing next year. So thats about 25 games under his belt.
dep  
hassan : 1/8/2019 11:42 am : link
this is a good question and topic. i would say he should consider it strongly; he may be in the rare position of that being the right call.
another question  
hassan : 1/8/2019 11:45 am : link
how much draft capital would you give up for him?

Giants traded two number 1st to get Eli and some more.

it is probably a floor for a lawrence trade up.
Yes  
rocco8112 : 1/8/2019 11:46 am : link
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RE: RE: I'm not so sure I'd draft a guy #1  
Bill in UT : 1/8/2019 11:47 am : link
In comment 14254026 dep026 said:
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who had 11 college games under his belt and hasn't played competitively in 2 years. How many pros have trouble readjusting after being out 2 years? Plus, so much of QB is mental, he'd be missing a lot of valuable experience in reading defenses and making good decisions.



I have him playing next year. So thats about 25 games under his belt.


That's also 14 more games he could get hurt in, if the point of this discussion is that he shouldn't risk injury until he's eligible.
RE: RE: RE: I'm not so sure I'd draft a guy #1  
dep026 : 1/8/2019 11:48 am : link
In comment 14254043 Bill in UT said:
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who had 11 college games under his belt and hasn't played competitively in 2 years. How many pros have trouble readjusting after being out 2 years? Plus, so much of QB is mental, he'd be missing a lot of valuable experience in reading defenses and making good decisions.



I have him playing next year. So thats about 25 games under his belt.



That's also 14 more games he could get hurt in, if the point of this discussion is that he shouldn't risk injury until he's eligible.


Two years of not playing is too long. IMO.
RE: RE: I'm not so sure I'd draft a guy #1  
Bill in UT : 1/8/2019 11:52 am : link
In comment 14254026 dep026 said:
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who had 11 college games under his belt and hasn't played competitively in 2 years. How many pros have trouble readjusting after being out 2 years? Plus, so much of QB is mental, he'd be missing a lot of valuable experience in reading defenses and making good decisions.



I have him playing next year. So thats about 25 games under his belt.


and sorry, I wasn't responding to the OP, but to those who suggested him not playing at all til his draft
RE: why are we limiting this to just Lawrence?  
Brown Recluse : 1/8/2019 12:33 pm : link
In comment 14253880 BillKo said:
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Surely there are other blue chippers out there.

I don't get this mentality.

Sit, don't play.

Tank the season.

When he gets to the pros, should Lawrence maybe not play preseason because he can get hurt? Or, maybe, even don't start him until Week 8 so he's not injured in September and October..........


I don't get this mentality either.

But then again...we live in a society full of slack-jawed (m)aggots.
This whole  
Photoguy : 1/8/2019 12:38 pm : link
discussion is nuts.

Clemson is not going to allow sitting out for ANY length of time unless the kid is injured.

He plays.
He should play  
Eli Wilson : 1/8/2019 12:39 pm : link
He could get hurt at any point in the next 2 years and still likely be the #1 pick in 2021.

I don't see a major downside to him playing.
RE: I'm not so sure I'd draft a guy #1  
bw in dc : 1/8/2019 1:00 pm : link
In comment 14254008 Bill in UT said:
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who had 11 college games under his belt and hasn't played competitively in 2 years. How many pros have trouble readjusting after being out 2 years? Plus, so much of QB is mental, he'd be missing a lot of valuable experience in reading defenses and making good decisions.


In practice, I don't think he should take two years off, either. So I agree with you sentiments. But purely from a risk perspective, there is no upside unless the CBA changes where rookies can go back to negotiating a salary greater than the current slotted-system.

I'm barking more at the system that impugns a talented player like Lawrence from capitalizing on his skills sooner rather than later. He's ready to be in a pro environment right now.
RE: This whole  
dep026 : 1/8/2019 1:02 pm : link
In comment 14254170 Photoguy said:
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discussion is nuts.

Clemson is not going to allow sitting out for ANY length of time unless the kid is injured.

He plays.


Clemson has no say whether or not he plays. If Lwrence after his Sophomore season says he is done, well he is done.
RE: another question  
The_Boss : 1/8/2019 1:13 pm : link
In comment 14254032 hassan said:
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how much draft capital would you give up for him?

Giants traded two number 1st to get Eli and some more.

it is probably a floor for a lawrence trade up.


Teams are going to want to tank for this guy. Whomever earns 1 overall for the 2021 draft isnít going to trade it at any cost.
I remember when Brandy  
Bill in UT : 1/8/2019 1:37 pm : link
came out and Looking Glass was on their way to the R&R HOF
RE: I'm not so sure I'd draft a guy #1  
Section331 : 1/8/2019 1:53 pm : link
In comment 14254008 Bill in UT said:
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who had 11 college games under his belt and hasn't played competitively in 2 years. How many pros have trouble readjusting after being out 2 years? Plus, so much of QB is mental, he'd be missing a lot of valuable experience in reading defenses and making good decisions.


If Lawrence was in this draft somehow, there is zero chance he wouldn't be the top pick. Even if you don't think he's ready (and yes, he does need to put on some bulk), you draft and stash him. He made some throws last night that defy description.
"I don't see any downside to him playing"  
Dnew15 : 1/8/2019 1:54 pm : link
That's crazy.
If I were him - ! wouldn't play another down in college football. What's he got to gain?
Downside to him playing - ask Joe Theismann.
That said, no player is going to take off  
Section331 : 1/8/2019 1:55 pm : link
2 FREAKING YEARS and expect to be the top pick in the draft.
Which is why the NFL draft age  
Dnew15 : 1/8/2019 2:06 pm : link
is a stupid rule.
So many things wrong with it - this is one of them.
I wouldn't blame him  
uther99 : 1/8/2019 2:27 pm : link
if he sat out 2020. Train with a ex-NFL QB coach, etc. Either that or take big insurance policy out.

What is guaranteed money for top drafted QB? 30 million I think
RE: RE: I'm not so sure I'd draft a guy #1  
Bill in UT : 1/8/2019 2:27 pm : link
In comment 14254284 Section331 said:
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In comment 14254008 Bill in UT said:


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who had 11 college games under his belt and hasn't played competitively in 2 years. How many pros have trouble readjusting after being out 2 years? Plus, so much of QB is mental, he'd be missing a lot of valuable experience in reading defenses and making good decisions.



If Lawrence was in this draft somehow, there is zero chance he wouldn't be the top pick. Even if you don't think he's ready (and yes, he does need to put on some bulk), you draft and stash him. He made some throws last night that defy description.


Not putting his performance down at all. Keep in mind, though, that he had some big, fast receivers catching those balls- Sterling Shepard doesn't make those plays
RE: RE: This whole  
Photoguy : 1/8/2019 11:45 pm : link
In comment 14254204 dep026 said:
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discussion is nuts.

Clemson is not going to allow sitting out for ANY length of time unless the kid is injured.

He plays.



Clemson has no say whether or not he plays. If Lwrence after his Sophomore season says he is done, well he is done.


Ha! Shows you what I know about college sports...thanks Dep.
Thirsty giants fans desperate for Lawrence to come out this year  
giantsFC : 1/9/2019 12:49 am : link
If giants didnít get to draft him, same crowd would be angry about allowing players to come out too early like they do in basketball..,you know integrity of college game and all...

He truly will benefit from at least one more year in the minors to learn the more of the game. Donít forget, he looked lost a few times this year and truly got better each week.

Though he does have a tendency to be an easy target for really bad looking hits.

Tooo bad they donít let these guys get the proper pwecentwge of Merchandise $, endorsements or sponsorships they rightfully deserve for theIr personal brand in college.
Last year Fromm and Tua  
section125 : 1/9/2019 4:46 am : link
were sure fire #1 and #2 in the college draft in 2020 as freshman. Now after not such great end of season games, they are not the flavor of the month. I'd think that NFL coaches would want him to play to keep up his skills and improve his play. People sit here and complain Haskins doesn't get pressure so you cannot trust what he will do under pressure. Monday night, Lawrence's WRs made some pretty outstanding catches on some meh throws and Lawrence was not under pressure either. Not to say he did not make some great throws or earn the hoopla. Before he gets put in Canton, let him get out of college. Oh, and can the QB runs and keepers.
The only reason to leave  
joeinpa : 1/9/2019 7:39 am : link
is money.

There are so many other reasons not related to money to stay

It will be a sad day if college football becomes one and some as has college basketball.
RE: The only reason to leave  
bw in dc : 1/9/2019 8:01 am : link
In comment 14255065 joeinpa said:
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is money.

There are so many other reasons not related to money to stay

It will be a sad day if college football becomes one and some as has college basketball.


I think all college sports should follow the baseball model. If you can get drafted out of high school, by all means go. If you go to college, you must stay at least three years, or, I think, when you turn 20...

If not, then NFL should allow exceptions for those who may show precocious skills - like a Lawrence. Let them appeal to a committee; and if the committee determines you are definite first round material, then grant the exception to go.
Reasonable enough to discuss, but heís obviously going to play  
mfsd : 1/9/2019 8:51 am : link
That said, while he was trying to win a national championship and giving it everything he had, he should probably learn not to stick his head in on QB keepers and take on linebackers and safeties to fight for extra yards so often, the way he did several times Monday night.

Nothing wrong with sliding and protecting your head Kyle
Kyle, Trevor...  
mfsd : 1/9/2019 8:52 am : link
man I need a second coffee this morning
He has a long way to go before he can succeed in the NFL  
WideRight : 1/9/2019 9:05 am : link

He has to play to improve
RE: The only reason to leave  
Mad Mike : 1/9/2019 9:51 am : link
In comment 14255065 joeinpa said:
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is money.

There are so many other reasons not related to money to stay

There are undoubtedly lots of reasons to stay, but I think it's quite naive to say the only reason to leave is money.
You guys  
family progtitioner : 1/9/2019 10:20 am : link
really are great competitors aren't you? He's a great athlete and football player playing at a premier college. It's what he's been living for.

That would show the NFL what a great team player this guy is by dropping out of college football for 2 years to try and cash in. SMH
If he went in to the NFL right now  
WideRight : 1/9/2019 7:54 pm : link

He would basically be Mark Sanchez - a good talent from a good QB oriented program with one good season under his belt.
RE: If he went in to the NFL right now  
bw in dc : 1/9/2019 8:40 pm : link
In comment 14256062 WideRight said:
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He would basically be Mark Sanchez - a good talent from a good QB oriented program with one good season under his belt.


Lawrence didn't really start until the fourth week of the season. Despite that, he put up 30TDs/4 INTs, completed 65% of his passes. He's 6'5", 215. Plus, he was a huge factor in bringing home the brass.

Lawrence is bigger, better arm, makes better decisions, etc than Sanchez. And he's only 19.

He's worlds more advanced than Mark Sanchez. The better comps are Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck.

mark sanchez?  
hassan : 1/12/2019 12:08 am : link
wide right, have you seen the attributes of this player? his throws? his ability to run?

try a scrambling peyton manning.
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