For as bad as Bama got beat, I think Williams should be in strong consideration at 6. A top tackle prospect is exactly what we need as a team. I don't think there's a single position that we could improve as much as RT with a single pick. I had started a Deointe Thompson thread a while back, but he hasn't been impressing me as much lately and that was before we had lost out and were picking top ten. I like him too, but as far as high floor and position of need, I think Williams is the guy to go after.
It was more than one play and Alabama started giving him help. He didn't lose every battle but enough to alter my original perception of him where I thought he was a legit candidate at 6.
Different players. Scherff was a road grader who belonged inside, JW is more about technique and movement on the edge, imv.
I still think they will try to get a pass rusher.
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5th or 6th by the Skins a few years ago as an ORT?
Different players. Scherff was a road grader who belonged inside, JW is more about technique and movement on the edge, imv.
Sounds like a Reese/Ross special. No thanks.
Not sure I get the joke other than both their names are Jonah?
Early on, he had a Hoe Thomas look. Easy body control and balance, was always able to maintain position.
As the year went on, I saw some core strength and length issues arise. Nothing alarming, but I noted them.
He didn't tend the year that strong and his level of competition increased as the year went. Add that to the fact I know for a fact some teams are looking at him as an OG/OT hybrid, I get a little nervous viewing him as a top tier LT prospect.
He may be closer to Justin Pugh then Joe Thomas. Also, I think a few teams before NYG will look at him pretty hard.
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Not sure I get the joke other than both their names are Jonah?
Isn't that actor's name Jonah Williams?
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Not sure I get the joke other than both their names are Jonah?
Isn't that actor's name Jonah Williams?
Jonah Hill
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Not sure I get the joke other than both their names are Jonah?
Isn't that actor's name Jonah Williams?
Jonah Hill
Ahh, well then I agree, this joke is not funny.
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post-season bowl/all-star games, combine, private workouts.
You have literally no idea what position or player the Giants will be taking in a late April draft on January 8th.
Especially when free agency hasn't taken place.
Last year this time, the Giants were a lock to take Rosen. Darnold to CLE was a slam dunk, etc.
Things will become clearer after the all-star/post season bowls, combine, free agency and private workouts.
Not sure why you are mixing what Reese did in with what DG does.
New regime, they don't care what has happened here over the last 10 years. They are entering Year Two and need to do it their way..........
He probably ends up a solid OL in the pros but I think the Giants can do better at 6. I think there will be comparable OL to be had later in the draft.
Scherff has never played tackle to the best of my knowledge. Yes, the Skins hoped he was an RT but knew during his first training camp he was a G. A damn good G, but a G.
Of course, the goal in picking him at 6 is that he'd hold down RT until Solder's contract is done and then move over to LT.
Look at the Seahawks, three out of the 4 Legion of boom crew was drafted in the 5th and 6th round.
Look at the Seahawks, three out of the 4 Legion of boom crew was drafted in the 5th and 6th round.
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I don't think You don't draft a RT that High. Most of the top 10 RTs were 3rd to mid round picks. If there is no QB they want draft front 7 people at 6 and 38. RT and FS in the 4th, then get some OL depth, a CB and whoever falls with the rest.
Look at the Seahawks, three out of the 4 Legion of boom crew was drafted in the 5th and 6th round.
I think that's the wrong kind of mindset. You can't assume you're penciling in a starting OT in any round outside of 1 or 2.
And even first and second rounders aren't 100%.
But going OT in the fourth and expecting that guy to contribute is ridiculous as a plan for the OL.
Given that this is an entirely new regime, and their first OL pick was Hernandez who as you say looks good, then how can you say "our inability to pick draft OL"??????
That is garbage. DG is not going to pick anyone he hasn't scouted and watched tons of film on.
I will say I like one of the pass rushers more as the Giant's need a pass rush
I think DG was in a damned if you do damned if you don't kind of thing with Solder. There was no way he couldn't try and upgrade the line or go with Flowers as the LT again.
Solder was the best out there and while he got paid like the best LT in the game and more than he should've gotten IMO,it was a move DG had to do.
I can't imagine the shit storm if he stayed with Flowers or ended up with someone not as good as Solder. I think he'd be getting slammed for not getting Solder, so I really think he did what need to be done.
I think DG was in a damned if you do damned if you don't kind of thing with Solder. There was no way he couldn't try and upgrade the line or go with Flowers as the LT again.
Solder was the best out there and while he got paid like the best LT in the game and more than he should've gotten IMO,it was a move DG had to do.
I can't imagine the shit storm if he stayed with Flowers or ended up with someone not as good as Solder. I think he'd be getting slammed for not getting Solder, so I really think he did what need to be done.
I agree with this. He went after Norwell first and when Norwell was off the market he went to the next best option. And to be fair Solder played well the second half of the year as they all became more comfortable together as an OL and with the offense... also apparently he was suffering from a neck injury. And Omameh was a bad pickup, but at least DG cut bait when they realized he stunk. If Reese signed him he'd still be starting.
I think DG was in a damned if you do damned if you don't kind of thing with Solder. There was no way he couldn't try and upgrade the line or go with Flowers as the LT again.
Solder was the best out there and while he got paid like the best LT in the game and more than he should've gotten IMO,it was a move DG had to do.
I can't imagine the shit storm if he stayed with Flowers or ended up with someone not as good as Solder. I think he'd be getting slammed for not getting Solder, so I really think he did what need to be done.
I agree with this. He went after Norwell first and when Norwell was off the market he went to the next best option. And to be fair Solder played well the second half of the year as they all became more comfortable together as an OL and with the offense... also apparently he was suffering from a neck injury. And Omameh was a bad pickup, but at least DG cut bait when they realized he stunk. If Reese signed him he'd still be starting.
The FO seemed pretty sold on Halapio as a C. And based on his small sample from last year, he was playing better than anyone else that filled that C hold. That's what stops me from saying C is a bigger need than RT. If they're right about Halapio, Wheeler is by far the weakest link.
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If they trade down then picking an offensive linemen makes a lot of sense but I would prefer they wait until round 2 to target Edwards, Cajuste, etc. Center is a bigger need than RT IMO but this is a very deep center class and I think that they can find a good one in round 4.
The FO seemed pretty sold on Halapio as a C. And based on his small sample from last year, he was playing better than anyone else that filled that C hold. That's what stops me from saying C is a bigger need than RT. If they're right about Halapio, Wheeler is by far the weakest link.
Wheeler cannot be the starter next year. He is fine as a swing tackle. What people are assuming is that Jamon Brown will be resigned. He might not want to be back. He might end up getting more than DG is willing to pay. A month or so ago there was a discussion on Jamon's estimated value. I think the consensus was a $5-$6M/yr. But as we know, the market for starters can be inflated. I wouldn't fault him for taking the highest offer, and we could be left at the altar like a jilted bride. Which brings the discussion full circle as to whether Jonah is a potential target at #6. I'm a fan of his, but the draft grade will likely be higher for an ER. Jonah would certainly fill a need.
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If they trade down then picking an offensive linemen makes a lot of sense but I would prefer they wait until round 2 to target Edwards, Cajuste, etc. Center is a bigger need than RT IMO but this is a very deep center class and I think that they can find a good one in round 4.
The FO seemed pretty sold on Halapio as a C. And based on his small sample from last year, he was playing better than anyone else that filled that C hold. That's what stops me from saying C is a bigger need than RT. If they're right about Halapio, Wheeler is by far the weakest link.
Wheeler cannot be the starter next year. He is fine as a swing tackle. What people are assuming is that Jamon Brown will be resigned. He might not want to be back. He might end up getting more than DG is willing to pay. A month or so ago there was a discussion on Jamon's estimated value. I think the consensus was a $5-$6M/yr. But as we know, the market for starters can be inflated. I wouldn't fault him for taking the highest offer, and we could be left at the altar like a jilted bride. Which brings the discussion full circle as to whether Jonah is a potential target at #6. I'm a fan of his, but the draft grade will likely be higher for an ER. Jonah would certainly fill a need.
Agreed. If Jamon isn't coming back and Halapio is the de facto starter, Jonah may be a perfect need/value pick (perhaps with the mystical trade down scenario). But, I definitely won't be upset if they like a defender more than Jonah. Even White or a DB would be fine by me.
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If they trade down then picking an offensive linemen makes a lot of sense but I would prefer they wait until round 2 to target Edwards, Cajuste, etc. Center is a bigger need than RT IMO but this is a very deep center class and I think that they can find a good one in round 4.
The FO seemed pretty sold on Halapio as a C. And based on his small sample from last year, he was playing better than anyone else that filled that C hold. That's what stops me from saying C is a bigger need than RT. If they're right about Halapio, Wheeler is by far the weakest link.
Wheeler cannot be the starter next year. He is fine as a swing tackle. What people are assuming is that Jamon Brown will be resigned. He might not want to be back. He might end up getting more than DG is willing to pay. A month or so ago there was a discussion on Jamon's estimated value. I think the consensus was a $5-$6M/yr. But as we know, the market for starters can be inflated. I wouldn't fault him for taking the highest offer, and we could be left at the altar like a jilted bride. Which brings the discussion full circle as to whether Jonah is a potential target at #6. I'm a fan of his, but the draft grade will likely be higher for an ER. Jonah would certainly fill a need.
Agreed. If Jamon isn't coming back and Halapio is the de facto starter, Jonah may be a perfect need/value pick (perhaps with the mystical trade down scenario). But, I definitely won't be upset if they like a defender more than Jonah. Even White or a DB would be fine by me.
With so many holes on the roster, DG really can't go wrong. Of course, it won't stop a large contingent wanting to crucify him for not picking their guy.
Something to consider, Tua is a Lefty.
Something to consider, Tua is a Lefty.
If Jonah was to start on the right, there is nothing that would stop him from moving to the left in 3 years when Nate's contract is done.