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NFT: Knicks: How would Cam Reddish fit with this Knicks group?

Beezer : 1/8/2019 2:00 pm
After reading a mock draft on BBI and seeing that Reddish was slotted for the Knicks pick, I read and watched more. I've only seen him once live (on TV), and it's hard to look away from the shiny thing that is Zion, so I didn't know much.

Reddish is 19, apparently one hell of a shooter, 6-8 with perhaps more to grow, he rebounds, too, and in some videos reminded me of a kid named Knox.

I wonder how Reddish would look at the 2 alongside the refurbished Mudiay?

BBI Knicks fans ... would you be excited to get this kid in the next draft?
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He's shooting 35.6% overall on the year  
Greg from LI : 1/8/2019 2:07 pm : link
So I'd say "one helluva shooter" is a bit much.
OK. He's got a very nice  
Beezer : 1/8/2019 2:07 pm : link
shooting stroke and is known to be a good shooter. Better?
Reddish is now kind of a worst case scenario  
Anakim : 1/8/2019 2:08 pm : link
Given how poorly we are in the standings, there should be better players available. Zion, Barrett, Morant, Langford and maybe Little.
how about this?  
Greg from LI : 1/8/2019 2:09 pm : link
Supposed to be a good shooter but has shot like ass - that work for you?

He's the best defender on that team, but he's struggled to find a niche in their offense, which fits his rep coming in of a guy who's kind of passive and defers to other players despite his prodigious talent.
Little has been majorly overhyped  
Greg from LI : 1/8/2019 2:12 pm : link
He can't shoot to save his life. Coby White has been the better freshman for the Heels.
Plenty of raw talent, but the dreaded "motor" issues persist.  
bceagle05 : 1/8/2019 2:15 pm : link
I'd rather go with a cut-throat competitor this time around - Zion (obviously), RJ, Morant, Garland all seem to fit that bill. I think Zion and Morant are going to be the two stars from this draft class - hope we land one of them.
Jarrett Culver is playing well too (Texas Tech).  
bceagle05 : 1/8/2019 2:19 pm : link
Plenty of good talent available. I want to love Romeo Langford - he looks the part of a star - but he's 22% from three point range. Not sure we're in a position to gamble on significant improvement in that area.
Knicks currently in 4th place in the tank standings  
Greg from LI : 1/8/2019 2:21 pm : link
Keep on losing!!!
Ignas Brazdeikis needs  
dep026 : 1/8/2019 2:27 pm : link
some love!!!!
RE: Knicks currently in 4th place in the tank standings  
robbieballs2003 : 1/8/2019 2:30 pm : link
In comment 14254317 Greg from LI said:
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Keep on losing!!!


We were 2nd.
tied for third, actually  
Greg from LI : 1/8/2019 2:34 pm : link
My mistake

Cleveland: 8-32, .200
Phoenix: 9-32, .220
Chicago: 10-30, .250
Knicks: 10-30, .250
RE: RE: Knicks currently in 4th place in the tank standings  
nyjuggernaut2 : 1/8/2019 2:35 pm : link
In comment 14254334 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 14254317 Greg from LI said:


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Keep on losing!!!



We were 2nd.


That damn win L.A. was a killer. Figures the Knicks catch them during a week where Lebron is out.
Bulls, Suns and Hawks need to win some damn games.  
bceagle05 : 1/8/2019 2:35 pm : link
They all have more talent than the Knicks. Cavs and Knicks SHOULD be the bottom feeders of the league, but it's gonna be tight. Knicks have only played 16 home games (out of 40) - so expect a few more wins in the second half of the season, unless they ship all the vets out of here.
It would suck if Cleveland wins the lottery....again.  
bceagle05 : 1/8/2019 2:37 pm : link
Dan Gilbert's arguably worse than Dolan, yet somehow he gets all the friggin' breaks while we languish.
Reddish  
DanMetroMan : 1/8/2019 3:36 pm : link
is actually OLD for a Freshman so citing his age isn't a plus. He'll be 20 as an NBA rookie a full year older than Zion and Barrett. Not saying he can't develop or that he stinks but it's something of a red flag he's been this bad as an older Frosh.
I feel like with Reddish  
nygiants16 : 1/8/2019 3:47 pm : link
you will not see what he can really do until he is in the nba, with barrett and zion he has taken a backseat. Now you can say that is a huge negative.
if he's taking a backseat to fellow teenagers  
Greg from LI : 1/8/2019 3:51 pm : link
do you really think he'll assert himself more with NBA veterans? That's the concern.

His all-around game is very nice and makes him unlikely to be a flat-out bust, but I don't think he'll be a plus offensive player at the next level.
RE: if he's taking a backseat to fellow teenagers  
Ash_3 : 1/8/2019 3:53 pm : link
In comment 14254460 Greg from LI said:
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do you really think he'll assert himself more with NBA veterans? That's the concern.

His all-around game is very nice and makes him unlikely to be a flat-out bust, but I don't think he'll be a plus offensive player at the next level.


But that would be a function of mindset and not talent; Paul George had similar issues coming into the NBA.
I would be  
elisha2014 : 1/8/2019 3:56 pm : link
devastated if Reddish was who the Knicks end up with from this draft class.

Fully expect the Cavs to get Zion because they have the best lottery luck of all time.

Hard to be optimistic for this sad Knick fan.
RE: how about this?  
Strahan91 : 1/8/2019 3:56 pm : link
In comment 14254301 Greg from LI said:
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Supposed to be a good shooter but has shot like ass - that work for you?

He's the best defender on that team, but he's struggled to find a niche in their offense, which fits his rep coming in of a guy who's kind of passive and defers to other players despite his prodigious talent.

I'm no fan of Reddish but this is a bit misleading. He's shooting nearly 80% from the FT line which is the best predictor of outside shooting success in the nba.
It's not misleading to say he hasn't shot well  
Greg from LI : 1/8/2019 4:15 pm : link
Because he hasn't.

It might be a decent generalization but there are guys who shot FTs well in college who are mediocre to bad on threes in the NBA - Malik Monk (82% FT at UK), Trae Young (86%), Donovan Mitchell (81%), Jerian Grant (79%), Andrew Wiggins (78%), Marcus Smart (75%) among others.
I'm  
DanMetroMan : 1/8/2019 4:22 pm : link
surprised how poorly Monk has shot from 3 but he's quietly been better this season (overall). If Charlotte did something stupid and dumped him I'd be very interested. I'd 100% swap Frank for him. For all of the talk of Frank's defense (which is quite good) his DRtg is 116, Monk 113 and Monk has a ORtg of 101.
It is really hard to scout a player who's a third option on that team  
Heisenberg : 1/8/2019 4:24 pm : link
There's a real chance that he's not getting used in a way that's best for his game, simply based on the role he plays with the other 3 frosh.

So, for me, huge variance. I could see a situation where he's not a good pro at all and a scenario where in a different situation, his game expands

I guess the answer is: no fucking clue.
I think his defense and athleticism means he'll have a place  
Greg from LI : 1/8/2019 4:25 pm : link
in the league. I don't know what kind of role he will end up in, though.
Reddish has really struggled off the ball  
nygiants16 : 1/8/2019 4:25 pm : link
You wiuld think if he was such a good shooter he would flourish next to barrett and williamson
Players  
DanMetroMan : 1/8/2019 4:26 pm : link
like Reddish always worry me in the mold of Marvin Williams and Tim Thomas. Not saying Reddish can't turn it on, noted above was Paul George but I'm always hesitant with guys like this
RE: Players  
nygiants16 : 1/8/2019 4:31 pm : link
In comment 14254507 DanMetroMan said:
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like Reddish always worry me in the mold of Marvin Williams and Tim Thomas. Not saying Reddish can't turn it on, noted above was Paul George but I'm always hesitant with guys like this


plus you would have 2 players like that in him and knox
Kind of funny  
nygiants16 : 1/8/2019 4:34 pm : link
watching durant doodge knicjs questions..

Young is a rookie and Monk is a second year guy. It takes some guys  
Strahan91 : 1/8/2019 4:35 pm : link
years to adapt. Their problems have more to do with getting open shots off given their height disadvantage. But anyways, that's not the point. When it comes to predicting NBA shooting ability, it's a *good* predictor of success, not a *perfect* one. Like most predictors of success. This is especially true when a prospect has good form, something Jerian Grant for example did not.
RE: Players  
Greg from LI : 1/8/2019 4:38 pm : link
In comment 14254507 DanMetroMan said:
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like Reddish always worry me in the mold of Marvin Williams and Tim Thomas. Not saying Reddish can't turn it on, noted above was Paul George but I'm always hesitant with guys like this


Bingo. Not that he can't do it, but I'd be uneasy with him.
RE: I'm  
Strahan91 : 1/8/2019 4:39 pm : link
In comment 14254497 DanMetroMan said:
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surprised how poorly Monk has shot from 3 but he's quietly been better this season (overall). If Charlotte did something stupid and dumped him I'd be very interested. I'd 100% swap Frank for him. For all of the talk of Frank's defense (which is quite good) his DRtg is 116, Monk 113 and Monk has a ORtg of 101.

Frank's D this year has been far from what I expected. I think it's mental. He's frustrated offensively and loses focus on D.
When Frank really locks in on defense it's a sight to see.  
bceagle05 : 1/8/2019 4:42 pm : link
He absolutely destroyed Jayson Tatum in the win up in Boston earlier this season. Did the same last year to DeRozan one night at The Garden. Night in and night out, however, there's not much on either end of the court that excites you.
RE: RE: I'm  
nygiants16 : 1/8/2019 4:44 pm : link
In comment 14254518 Strahan91 said:
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surprised how poorly Monk has shot from 3 but he's quietly been better this season (overall). If Charlotte did something stupid and dumped him I'd be very interested. I'd 100% swap Frank for him. For all of the talk of Frank's defense (which is quite good) his DRtg is 116, Monk 113 and Monk has a ORtg of 101.


Frank's D this year has been far from what I expected. I think it's mental. He's frustrated offensively and loses focus on D.


that is this entire team
with the new lottery system, Knicks just need to finish  
Del Shofner : 1/8/2019 4:49 pm : link
as one of the worst three teams, which is pretty much where they are at present. The worst three teams have exactly the same odds as to the first four draft picks. It changes a little as to the fifth and beyond.

If you finish fourth or fifth worst, or "better," your odds start to get worse pretty quickly.

Given this, I'm not agonizing over the draft right now. Until the lottery, you're not going to know enough to do so. Although assuming they get one of the first four picks, which is statistically likely at this point, I guess it makes sense to agonize over whether there are four "blue chippers" in this draft.

Are there? The three Duke guys plus Ja Morant? No one else seems to be in the discussion. A couple of the touted SG's have fallen off in their production, and Bol Bol is now a red flag for injury reasons.
I'll be very happy with either Williamson or Morant  
Greg from LI : 1/8/2019 4:51 pm : link
I'm not a big fan of Romeo Langford and RJ Barrett strikes me as too similar to Knox in a lot of ways.
Ja Morant has DeAron Fox skills  
Earl the goat : 1/8/2019 6:35 pm : link
If we can get Zion then I’d take Morant
Duke at Wake Forest on ESPN.  
bceagle05 : 1/8/2019 7:18 pm : link
Started at 7pm.
St John's at 'Nova  
Del Shofner : 1/8/2019 7:26 pm : link
on FS1, also started at 7.
so i guess we can not say  
nygiants16 : 1/8/2019 7:53 pm : link
Durant is not keeping tabs on the knicks
I know chances are slim, but Zion with the Knicks  
bceagle05 : 1/8/2019 8:04 pm : link
would be so sweet. Talent aside, he’s a badass and an enforcer. The days of star players (and some scrubs) bullying the Knicks would be over. Culture changer.
I keep thinking "Jorah Mormont"  
Mike from SI : 1/8/2019 8:09 pm : link
whenever I see "Ja Morant." Sigh.
RE: He's shooting 35.6% overall on the year  
B in ALB : 1/8/2019 8:10 pm : link
In comment 14254296 Greg from LI said:
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So I'd say "one helluva shooter" is a bit much.


Stop injecting facts and statistics! He's one helluva shooter! (at nerf ball)
You want a helluva shooter?  
Greg from LI : 1/8/2019 9:09 pm : link
I'll give you a helluva shooter


RE: You want a helluva shooter?  
B in ALB : 1/8/2019 9:21 pm : link
In comment 14254815 Greg from LI said:
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I'll give you a helluva shooter



Nobody wants UVA players who lost to #16.
Yeah yeah  
Greg from LI : 1/8/2019 9:25 pm : link
March 4 will be here before you know it
RE: Yeah yeah  
B in ALB : 1/8/2019 9:28 pm : link
In comment 14254836 Greg from LI said:
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March 4 will be here before you know it


I hope so. Can't wait to sit on the edge of my seat again on selection day and still finish ahead of UVA.

(I keed, I keed!)
St John's lost to 'Nova -  
Del Shofner : 1/8/2019 9:28 pm : link
goodbye ranking, fun while it lasted.
Reddish has a weak motor  
Reeses Pieces : 1/8/2019 10:05 pm : link
1. Williamson 2. Barrett 3. Morant 4. Porter JR. 5. They should’ve ranked better
Warriors playing Globetrotters  
bceagle05 : 1/8/2019 10:56 pm : link
to our Washington Generals, as expected.
Vonleh needs to be resigned  
nygiants16 : 1/8/2019 11:29 pm : link
he is not a star or anything like that but he is such a good player to have when this team starts competing..

He is a good two way player
Suns win!  
bceagle05 : 1/8/2019 11:39 pm : link
Knicks down 12 at the half.
Predictable outcome  
bceagle05 : 1/9/2019 12:33 am : link
but this is ugly offense, as usual. No flow whatsoever. Warriors really running up the score now - keeping three starters in to pour it on.
RE: Predictable outcome  
adamg : 1/9/2019 12:35 am : link
In comment 14254989 bceagle05 said:
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but this is ugly offense, as usual. No flow whatsoever. Warriors really running up the score now - keeping three starters in to pour it on.


Bless you for watching that. I had to turn it off after 5 minutes. Not Frank/Knox/Trier/Robinson on the floor and my boredom level goes through the roof.
Thanks, I've been watching the HBO Sopranos marathon a bit, too.  
bceagle05 : 1/9/2019 12:40 am : link
Second night of a back-to-back, last game of a two-week road trip - worst possible time to play in Golden State.
RE: You want a helluva shooter?  
dep026 : 1/9/2019 7:40 am : link
In comment 14254815 Greg from LI said:
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I'll give you a helluva shooter



He looked tougher with his man bun. Seriously.... now he looks like a kid who cheat off in your physics class.
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