talk about landing on your feet. I know it's the Cardinals but he's getting one of the 32 most coveted football coaching jobs in the world after being fired from his alma mater.
Offensively he is brilliant, no doubt. He has never won as a HC in college and i don't think he has ever even coached in the NFL before.
If i were an NFL team with a struggling offense, i would have fired my OC and tried throwing 3 or 4 million at him. He is definitely going to help Rosen.
He needs to take a page out of Mcvay's book and hire an older, established DC who commands a lot of respect. If he fails to do so, i don't think he'll last.
he could be less ego driven in the pros and does well at delegation .... get a great DC and DC assts stay out of their soup and focus on HC duties and QB development ... which would allow access to the OC and the system without being intrusive.
Hell Pat S ... would do well to let the playcalling duties go as HC.
Offensively he is brilliant, no doubt. He has never won as a HC in college and i don't think he has ever even coached in the NFL before.
If i were an NFL team with a struggling offense, i would have fired my OC and tried throwing 3 or 4 million at him. He is definitely going to help Rosen.
He needs to take a page out of Mcvay's book and hire an older, established DC who commands a lot of respect. If he fails to do so, i don't think he'll last.
Msybe he can lure Herm Edwards. LOL!
I thought Gase had a real good shot at that job. Â
My buddy whose a Jets fan said he is getting serious consideration, he is a great offensive mind but supposedly burns bridges with his take it or leave it approach.
I think they like Matt Rhule a bit better. Kingsbury seems like he needs be a coordinator for a few years.
He wasn't a very good head coach in college. I wouldn't entrust him with any franchise yet
Of course not. You know, since he was more interested in the Arizona Cardinals than your team...
The Jets never offered Kingsbury the job.
Think about it. It's pretty obvious which team he preferred.
Is it? He almost had a contract finalized with Arizona and still met with the Jets. That's a risk. Arizona could've questioned his commitment to them and rescinded it.
Sometimes all you need to see is a year of incompetence and know when to pull the plug.
Sometimes you see a poor record, but potential, good game planning, adjustments, good discipline, a team that is disciplined, motivated, smart but plagued by bad luck. That coach you keep because you feel he can eventually grow in the job and win.
Wilks showed none of that. And he wasn't the right guy to get the best out of Rosen.
This guy was HC and had Davis Webb as his starting QB when Baker Mayfield was healthy and an option. To the extent that Mayfield felt the need to transfer.
McVay's best work isn't what he's done with Goff. It's how he put together his staff and went about establishing a culture with that team. Are Kingsbury and LaFleur going to do that?
Mike Lombardi brought up a great point about LaFleur today - when his offense went up against Don Martindale's defense he got shut out. Yet LaFleur gets a job and Martindale doesn't even get an interview.
Sometimes all you need to see is a year of incompetence and know when to pull the plug.
Sometimes you see a poor record, but potential, good game planning, adjustments, good discipline, a team that is disciplined, motivated, smart but plagued by bad luck. That coach you keep because you feel he can eventually grow in the job and win.
Wilks showed none of that. And he wasn't the right guy to get the best out of Rosen.
Well if a jets fan knows anything, it's incompetence.
Mayfield was 5-0 as starter and then got injured. Davis Webb was the guy who came in and then Baker was not even offered a scholarship by Texas Tech. Mayfield detailed strained relationship with Kingsbury - ( New Window )
You want to criticize his overall record or inability to fix the defense? Fine, but this focus on Mayfield and Webb is asinine. Webb had slightly better numbers the season they played together and he was a top 25 prospect at the position coming out of high school. Heck, he went on to replace Jared Goff at Cal and they averaged 37.1 PPG to the 37.9 they scored with Goff the previous year. Mayfield said he didn't get a scholarship after his freshman year. Guess who did get a scholly that offseason? A top 25 prospect at the position named Pat Mahomes.
Not getting a team to play defense in the Big 12 is hardly a crime. Lincoln Riley is coaching at a far superior program and his defense is an embarrassment. TT lost to the Oklahoma, Texas, and West Virginia this season by a combined 20 points.
Many teams don't want to wait to hire a HC and want to get started on next year ASAP.
- Johnny Manziel
- Baker Mayfield
- Davis Webb
- Pat Maholmes
I could see hiring him as an OC. As a head coach, though?
Defense does have to be played in the NFL to win last I checked.
If you've been to Arizona you may understand why a relatively young, single, good looking guy may choose that location.
I could see hiring him as an OC. As a head coach, though?
The pendulum may be swinging a little too aggressively towards the young hotshot offensive coach.
I can't imagine why having your team's training facility right next door to ASU would be such a draw!
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The fans seemed to as well. Surprising he chose Arizona and did it so quickly. Wonder what the factors were.
If you've been to Arizona you may understand why a relatively young, single, good looking guy may choose that location.
Arizona State has the hottest co-eds in the country...or so I've been told
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The fans seemed to as well. Surprising he chose Arizona and did it so quickly. Wonder what the factors were.
If you've been to Arizona you may understand why a relatively young, single, good looking guy may choose that location.
Arizona State has the hottest co-eds in the country...or so I've been told
By Greg. But shit, you saw who McVay scored in LA.
I could see Rosen making a jump with a guy like him in his corner though. Not like Goff, but some sort of jump..not sure Wilks was a QB guy.
Lets be honest, is the 35-40 head coach of Texas Tech so well known if he wasn't so god damn handsome.
Lets be honest, is the 35-40 head coach of Texas Tech so well known if he wasn't so god damn handsome.
That's just foolish.
If i were an NFL team with a struggling offense, i would have fired my OC and tried throwing 3 or 4 million at him. He is definitely going to help Rosen.
He needs to take a page out of Mcvay's book and hire an older, established DC who commands a lot of respect. If he fails to do so, i don't think he'll last.
Hell Pat S ... would do well to let the playcalling duties go as HC.
They just fired a defensive minded coach after one season.
Nope, he has not. His three coaching stops are UH, TAMU, and Texas Tech.
If i were an NFL team with a struggling offense, i would have fired my OC and tried throwing 3 or 4 million at him. He is definitely going to help Rosen.
He needs to take a page out of Mcvay's book and hire an older, established DC who commands a lot of respect. If he fails to do so, i don't think he'll last.
Msybe he can lure Herm Edwards. LOL!
I could see hiring him as an OC. As a head coach, though?
He’s white, I mean right, for the job.
My buddy whose a Jets fan said he is getting serious consideration, he is a great offensive mind but supposedly burns bridges with his take it or leave it approach.
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I mean, I get that it's not a blueblood program, but cmon.
I could see hiring him as an OC. As a head coach, though?
He’s white, I mean right, for the job.
What does race have to do with anything?
He wasn't a very good head coach in college. I wouldn't entrust him with any franchise yet
He wasn't a very good head coach in college. I wouldn't entrust him with any franchise yet
Of course not. You know, since he was more interested in the Arizona Cardinals than your team...
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I think they like Matt Rhule a bit better. Kingsbury seems like he needs be a coordinator for a few years.
He wasn't a very good head coach in college. I wouldn't entrust him with any franchise yet
Of course not. You know, since he was more interested in the Arizona Cardinals than your team...
The Jets never offered Kingsbury the job.
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The fans seemed to as well. Surprising he chose Arizona and did it so quickly. Wonder what the factors were.
If you've been to Arizona you may understand why a relatively young, single, good looking guy may choose that location.
Yeah, definitely no hotties to be found in New York City...
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I mean, I get that it's not a blueblood program, but cmon.
I could see hiring him as an OC. As a head coach, though?
He’s white, I mean right, for the job.
What does race have to do with anything?
Wilkes got all of one of one year. I’m sure this guy with his stellar college coaching record will get a lot more leeway.
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I think they like Matt Rhule a bit better. Kingsbury seems like he needs be a coordinator for a few years.
He wasn't a very good head coach in college. I wouldn't entrust him with any franchise yet
Of course not. You know, since he was more interested in the Arizona Cardinals than your team...
The Jets never offered Kingsbury the job.
Think about it. It's pretty obvious which team he preferred.
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I mean, I get that it's not a blueblood program, but cmon.
I could see hiring him as an OC. As a head coach, though?
He’s white, I mean right, for the job.
What does race have to do with anything?
Wilkes got all of one of one year. I’m sure this guy with his stellar college coaching record will get a lot more leeway.
How many years did Dennis Green get? Get this bs out of here
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I think they like Matt Rhule a bit better. Kingsbury seems like he needs be a coordinator for a few years.
He wasn't a very good head coach in college. I wouldn't entrust him with any franchise yet
Of course not. You know, since he was more interested in the Arizona Cardinals than your team...
The Jets never offered Kingsbury the job.
Think about it. It's pretty obvious which team he preferred.
Is it? He almost had a contract finalized with Arizona and still met with the Jets. That's a risk. Arizona could've questioned his commitment to them and rescinded it.
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The fans seemed to as well. Surprising he chose Arizona and did it so quickly. Wonder what the factors were.
If you've been to Arizona you may understand why a relatively young, single, good looking guy may choose that location.
Yeah, definitely no hotties to be found in New York City...
You mean Florham Park?
Let that sink in
Prior to Kingsbury, they 18 of19 winning seasons. He proceeded to have losing years in 4 out of 6 seasons
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No one Wants the hot coordinators of playoff teams?
Many teams don't want to wait to hire a HC and want to get started on next year ASAP.
This is the dilemma teams that need hc's wait out and possibly end up scrambling for a hc or get one and get to work quickly for offseason
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I mean, I get that it's not a blueblood program, but cmon.
I could see hiring him as an OC. As a head coach, though?
He’s white, I mean right, for the job.
What does race have to do with anything?
Wilkes got all of one of one year. I’m sure this guy with his stellar college coaching record will get a lot more leeway.
How many years did Dennis Green get? Get this bs out of here
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Let that sink in
Wrong. Baker got hurt and transferred because he didn’t think he could get his job back. Mahomes then pushed Webb to Cal, because he’s Mahomes.
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I mean, I get that it's not a blueblood program, but cmon.
I could see hiring him as an OC. As a head coach, though?
He’s white, I mean right, for the job.
What does race have to do with anything?
Wilkes got all of one of one year. I’m sure this guy with his stellar college coaching record will get a lot more leeway.
How many years did Dennis Green get? Get this bs out of here
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I never said it was a good hire. Just don’t know how race comes into play.
Sometimes you see a poor record, but potential, good game planning, adjustments, good discipline, a team that is disciplined, motivated, smart but plagued by bad luck. That coach you keep because you feel he can eventually grow in the job and win.
Wilks showed none of that. And he wasn't the right guy to get the best out of Rosen.
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He played Davis Webb over Baker
Let that sink in
Wrong. Baker got hurt and transferred because he didn’t think he could get his job back. Mahomes then pushed Webb to Cal, because he’s Mahomes.
And that's the problem. Because one team found McVay does not mean there is a well of McVays out there that can be tapped.
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I mean, I get that it's not a blueblood program, but cmon.
I could see hiring him as an OC. As a head coach, though?
He’s white, I mean right, for the job.
Holy shit. WTF is wrong with you?
Mayfield detailed strained relationship with Kingsbury - ( New Window )
Mike Lombardi brought up a great point about LaFleur today - when his offense went up against Don Martindale's defense he got shut out. Yet LaFleur gets a job and Martindale doesn't even get an interview.
Agreed. He might be good for Rosen but can he find a Wade Phillips to just handle that side of the ball, while he concentrates on the O and Rosen?
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Teams desperately want the next Sean McVay...
And that's the problem. Because one team found McVay does not mean there is a well of McVays out there that can be tapped.
Weird. I thought the problem was that a Jets fan posts on a Giants message board.
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I mean, I get that it's not a blueblood program, but cmon.
I could see hiring him as an OC. As a head coach, though?
He’s white, I mean right, for the job.
Holy shit. WTF is wrong with you?
Your think this is bad go check out the ObJ PETA thread.
He led the Browns to more wins than the giants had....
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I mean, I get that it's not a blueblood program, but cmon.
I could see hiring him as an OC. As a head coach, though?
He’s white, I mean right, for the job.
Holy shit. WTF is wrong with you?
I've seen some stupid takes around here but Jeff's may take the cake.
Sometimes you see a poor record, but potential, good game planning, adjustments, good discipline, a team that is disciplined, motivated, smart but plagued by bad luck. That coach you keep because you feel he can eventually grow in the job and win.
Wilks showed none of that. And he wasn't the right guy to get the best out of Rosen.
Well if a jets fan knows anything, it's incompetence.
I could see hiring him as an OC. As a head coach, though?
This. I would definitely be behind bringing him in as an OC, but as a HC, this will be an epic disaster.
You want to criticize his overall record or inability to fix the defense? Fine, but this focus on Mayfield and Webb is asinine. Webb had slightly better numbers the season they played together and he was a top 25 prospect at the position coming out of high school. Heck, he went on to replace Jared Goff at Cal and they averaged 37.1 PPG to the 37.9 they scored with Goff the previous year. Mayfield said he didn't get a scholarship after his freshman year. Guess who did get a scholly that offseason? A top 25 prospect at the position named Pat Mahomes.
Not getting a team to play defense in the Big 12 is hardly a crime. Lincoln Riley is coaching at a far superior program and his defense is an embarrassment. TT lost to the Oklahoma, Texas, and West Virginia this season by a combined 20 points.