I don't think we pick him at #6. But in this age of misinformation, gamesmanship and double secret probation, Dick Gettleman seems to fake everyone out by telling the truth. The straight shooter of straight shooters. Last year he told everyone he was taking Barkley....and he took Barkley.
This year Gettleman went to personally scout 2 QBs - Herbert and Will Grier. (Herbert, of course, is returning to school.) He was in attendance Friday night, November 23rd when Oklahoma played @ West Virginia. I don't think he went down to Morgantown for the bar scene. In that game Grier went 32/49 for 539 yards and 5 TDs but lost a heartbreaker 59-56. When the smoke clears - would it be any surprise if the Giants traded up from their 2nd round pick for Grier?
Here's the write-up on Grier:
Height: 6'2"
Weight: 223 lbs.
Age: 24 in April
Strengths
*Smart QB, great anticipation.
*Good zip.
*Keeps eyes downfield when avoiding pressure.
*Premier ball placement, even when he can't set his feet
*Skipped the Bowl game vs. Syracuse to prepare for NFL Draft.
Negatives
*Decision-making.
*Loses zip when under duress.
*Sometimes holds the ball too long.
*Grier and his family are known to be high maintenance personalities which may or may not scare some teams off.
2018 Stats
266/397 (67%), 3,864 yards (9.7 YPA), 37 TDs, 8 INTs. He also scored 3 rushing TDs.
Notes
Grier was the Florida Gators starting QB as a Redshirt Freshman going 6-0 before getting suspended for PED's. He claims he bought an OTC nutritional supplement from a health store and checked all the ingredients to make sure none were banned, but never checked with the UF trainers. He got popped. He decided to transfer when the Florida coaches suggested a fresh start. Urban Meyer recruited him the hardest but he chose WVU because they guaranteed him playing time.
Skill-set wise, Grier has a good enough arm and good enough athleticism to make most plays on the field. He is mobile but not a running QB - he is always looking to throw and can pass from the pocket but can and will run for a 1st down when needed. (Sounds like the kind of QB Shurmur said he likes.) He showed good overall development from last year to this year as a game manager, protecting the football and situational awareness. He brings good emotion to the field as the QB.
Early prediction?
Giants go pass rusher in round 1 and then trade up for Grier. Anyone throwing the remote?
also has a reputation of being high maintenance with a family that is even more high maintenance
Interestingly, his completion % drops against the blitz but he had 22 touchdowns, no ints against it.
I will say his arm in the meadowlands concerns me a little.
Interestingly, his completion % drops against the blitz but he had 22 touchdowns, no ints against it.
I will say his arm in the meadowlands concerns me a little.
Agree with nearly all of this. The Combine is huge. He’s matured a ton since the break at Florida. Become father was a big deal.
I’m less concerned about an issues with throwing at MetLife. I don’t think the wind is any big factor and, with climate change, the cold is less prevalent in Jersey...so it seems.
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He's my guy but the combine will be HUGE for him. Needs to throw well.
Interestingly, his completion % drops against the blitz but he had 22 touchdowns, no ints against it.
I will say his arm in the meadowlands concerns me a little.
Agree with nearly all of this. The Combine is huge. He’s matured a ton since the break at Florida. Become father was a big deal.
I’m less concerned about an issues with throwing at MetLife. I don’t think the wind is any big factor and, with climate change, the cold is less prevalent in Jersey...so it seems.
He's one of the guys you size up and look for reasons to dismiss him but i don't see it. The more i watched him the more enamored i became. The arm gets knocked but he has proven he can make every throw (i love his ball placement)
He has the same issue as Darnold. Loves keeping his eyes up field but that can get him in trouble. I love his grasp of anticipation already.
The big personality line surprised me, i know his brothers are famous on social media but he does not strike me as that guy. I also agree that him having a family really seems to have settled him down.
He was a top 5 pro style QB coming out, committed to a SEC school. North Carolina gatorade player of the year. He's big enough, moves well enough, has enough arm strength...but when you watch the dude play, you quickly realize he is just a really good football player.
I've only read of one scout who actually saw him throw live - he said his arm is fine. For now, i take his word over internet scouts. We'll see.
Reminds me a bit of Tony Romo - but I admit I haven't seen him much.
" For me personally I’m not convinced selecting a player who is inconsistent at the quarterback position (just because he can play far beyond his talents in one game) is smart drafting because I know the next game he could play like he doesn’t deserve to be on the practice squad. That being said he could be a steal if selected late in this draft and is given the time to develop…in the right system and with the right coach."
Will Greer - ( New Window )
LMAO at that gif
*Smart QB
Negatives
*Decision-making.
*Smart QB
Negatives
*Decision-making.
Haha. I like this one.
Strengths:
- Can make all the throws
Weaknesses:
- Arm strength
" For me personally I’m not convinced selecting a player who is inconsistent at the quarterback position (just because he can play far beyond his talents in one game) is smart drafting because I know the next game he could play like he doesn’t deserve to be on the practice squad. That being said he could be a steal if selected late in this draft and is given the time to develop…in the right system and with the right coach." Will Greer - ( New Window )
I read this and I was very surprised, since West Virginia lost only 3 games and scored under 40 only once. As pointed out above, Grier had great stats over the season.
Which one is sunshine? I've heard so many QBs referred to as Sunshine the past year. Goff, Herbert, Grier, Trevor Lawrence. Is every single QB with either long hair or blond hair (or both) Sunshine??
I don’t think he’s #6 material either. I’m thinking more of a second rounder.
What character issues specifically?
He's one of the guys you size up and look for reasons to dismiss him but i don't see it. The more i watched him the more enamored i became. The arm gets knocked but he has proven he can make every throw (i love his ball placement)
He has the same issue as Darnold. Loves keeping his eyes up field but that can get him in trouble. I love his grasp of anticipation already.
The big personality line surprised me, i know his brothers are famous on social media but he does not strike me as that guy. I also agree that him having a family really seems to have settled him down.
He was a top 5 pro style QB coming out, committed to a SEC school. North Carolina gatorade player of the year. He's big enough, moves well enough, has enough arm strength...but when you watch the dude play, you quickly realize he is just a really good football player.
I've only read of one scout who actually saw him throw live - he said his arm is fine. For now, i take his word over internet scouts. We'll see.
I hear you. Many don’t recall what a prized recruit he was. One of Florida’s top prizes in 2014. Had offers from Auburn, Ark, UNC, Tennessee, etc. The real deal.
I think some of the bad rap was driven by McElwain. He couldn’t wait for Grier to leave.
As for his QB play, there is a gambling aspect to Grier that is high reward/high risk. He’s not afraid. That shows up in his pocket presence in his willingness to stand tall in the pocket and deliver. I really like that. Thst needs refinement but I see a ton of upside...
Eli's 2 SB runs included very serious performances in negative weather conditions in Green Bay and in SF in the rain. Noodle arms like Rivers and Alex Smith just can't be counted on to produce in those conditions. Gotta have at least a B to B+ arm like Eli.
Disagree. With Go Terps hammering on about the value of players on their rookie contracts I've come around to thinking you want to draft more mature guys who are ready to start, or at least very close to it.
This Reese stupidity of always going for the 21 year olds 'with upside" belongs in the pre-FA world, not now.
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He's one of the guys you size up and look for reasons to dismiss him but i don't see it. The more i watched him the more enamored i became. The arm gets knocked but he has proven he can make every throw (i love his ball placement)
He has the same issue as Darnold. Loves keeping his eyes up field but that can get him in trouble. I love his grasp of anticipation already.
The big personality line surprised me, i know his brothers are famous on social media but he does not strike me as that guy. I also agree that him having a family really seems to have settled him down.
He was a top 5 pro style QB coming out, committed to a SEC school. North Carolina gatorade player of the year. He's big enough, moves well enough, has enough arm strength...but when you watch the dude play, you quickly realize he is just a really good football player.
I've only read of one scout who actually saw him throw live - he said his arm is fine. For now, i take his word over internet scouts. We'll see.
I hear you. Many don’t recall what a prized recruit he was. One of Florida’s top prizes in 2014. Had offers from Auburn, Ark, UNC, Tennessee, etc. The real deal.
I think some of the bad rap was driven by McElwain. He couldn’t wait for Grier to leave.
As for his QB play, there is a gambling aspect to Grier that is high reward/high risk. He’s not afraid. That shows up in his pocket presence in his willingness to stand tall in the pocket and deliver. I really like that. Thst needs refinement but I see a ton of upside...
That is why he reminds me of Darnold! Who i actually did not like at first. They are always looking to make a big play and they are fearless. Both had problems with ball control at times because they leave one hand off the ball. Yes, that is a skill that has to be honed in but i think that is a plus.
PFF gets some slack on here and i think a lot of times, rightfully so. But they have some nice stats on quarterbacks. They actually said he was the best deep ball thrower in the class.
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deep passer. Weak arm? Buy some glasses.
PFF gets some slack on here and i think a lot of times, rightfully so. But they have some nice stats on quarterbacks. They actually said he was the best deep ball thrower in the class.
The throw Grier made in Texas to win that game was as good as it gets...
One of the throws of the year.
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deep passer. Weak arm? Buy some glasses.
PFF gets some slack on here and i think a lot of times, rightfully so. But they have some nice stats on quarterbacks. They actually said he was the best deep ball thrower in the class.
The throw Grier made in Texas to win that game was as good as it gets...
One of the throws of the year.
That throw is what really sold me on him. The two best teams he played - Oklahoma & Texas - he balled out. Texas demolishing Georgia makes his performance in Austin even more impressive.
I think you meant meaningless exhibition game.
He sometimes seems oblivious to pressure and the times he was picked they were clean picks - not balls that bounced off his receiver' hands into a defender's. His footwork is much more polished than Lock's, for sure. I imagine it has to be or he wouldn't get the ball where it needs to go. His accuracy is good, but I think I was a bit misled by the editing if the first few 4-5 min clips I watch that didn't show his incompletions. He made a few bad judgement throw right into double coverage, and he doesn't have the zip or accuracy to get away with that, IMO, especially not if the ball travels more than 25 yards from him.
He can throw from a roll out intended or improvised, so long as he's not going too deep or across the field.
You guys who loved that last second throw vs Texas, yeah that was money, but it was 45 yards in the air, not more. Lock throws dimes at that distance off his back foot all day long...
Check out the YOUTUBE poster Caddy to the Lama for full game tape (edited but all the throws and runs of a player} for both Grier and Lock and see what y'all think for yourselves.
I'd like him in the third round (yeah we don't have) or 4th to compete with Lauletta. Sometimes he looks like Joe Montana with his quick decisions to get the ball to the right guy in a hurry, IMO that's the best part of his game, quick and accurate decision making.
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Which one is sunshine? I've heard so many QBs referred to as Sunshine the past year. Goff, Herbert, Grier, Trevor Lawrence. Is every single QB with either long hair or blond hair (or both) Sunshine??
How many guesses do you want? Never heard any of your first three called Sunshine. You are so full of shit. Quit stirring the pot.
But your assessment of his deep ball is way off. I believe he’s lead the nation in deep ball attempts and completions the last few years. Check out the TCU game this year where he throws a 55 yard - distance ball traveled in the air - strike on a sideline go route. Ball is just absurdly perfect.
He doesn’t have a howitzer of an arm but I think it’s good enough. So how he throws at the Combine is going to be huge to assuage any concern about that.
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deep passer. Weak arm? Buy some glasses.
PFF gets some slack on here and i think a lot of times, rightfully so. But they have some nice stats on quarterbacks. They actually said he was the best deep ball thrower in the class.
The throw Grier made in Texas to win that game was as good as it gets...
One of the throws of the year.
An amazing throw!! Dead on the $$
What worries you about his intangibles? Asking out of curiosity, i haven't seen anything on that aside from the scouting report above.