Assuming Bosa/Quinnen/Josh Allen (clear Top 3) off the board
This dude Oliver is incredible at pushing and disrupting the pocket up the middle. Every time he has 1 blocker on him, he pushes his guy back. The rest of the time, he is doubled/tripled.
Gerald McCoy 2.0
Gettleman loves his DTs
Would be a 3-4 DE in this scheme next to Hill and Tomlinson
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He needs to have a big Combines to ease the concerns, and I don't think the skill is there.
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but I thought the people saying Haskins were doing it to get a rise out of the OP, who seems to be a troll fixated on Haskins.
Other than B, I think the others were legitimately stating their preference for Haskins. Brace yourself because any attempt to discuss other prospects for the next 3 1/2 months will be drowned out by those who are incapable of processing an opposing thought with cries for Haskins. What will be even worse, is that when Haskins is sitting there at #6 and DG chooses a different player, we will be treated to the summary conclusion that DG is an old, slobbering, fool who has no idea what he is doing. The Sammy Sycophants have quieted down only to prop up their latest idol.
Well, you were wrong and Fatman was right. I was most definitely fucking with the troll OP. I can't believe this thread took off with actual discussion. IMO people need to not seriously engage these trolls.
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and built like a horse, can make all the throws, and played great against the best teams on the schedule. If he's not the guy at 6, then you are probably correct about the "it" factor or there's something about the work ethic.
He needs to have a big Combines to ease the concerns, and I don't think the skill is there.
You don't think Haskins has the skill?
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and built like a horse, can make all the throws, and played great against the best teams on the schedule. If he's not the guy at 6, then you are probably correct about the "it" factor or there's something about the work ethic.
He needs to have a big Combines to ease the concerns, and I don't think the skill is there.
You don't think Haskins has the skill?
Not to clearly project him as a blue chip NFL prospect, no.
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To top it off, how many prospects have we seen fail due to the mental aspect the pro game requires.
This is a good point, but one I am not concerned with Haskins. Dude is a hard worker, close to getting his degree already from school. You can see he goes through his progressions as well. He's not a 1 read and duck out of the pocket kinda guy.
Haskins is not a realistic option at 6.
Give it a rest.
You are a delusional psychopath that needs serious help.
OMFG. The pot and the kettle...
Well said and accurate
Both Wentz and Mayfield moved up in the draft.
Both Wentz and Mayfield moved up in the draft.
Mayfield was my number one guy last year and to me the only question mark was the same one I have for Haskins. How is gonna perform with pressure in his face. His size didn't bother me because he's built rock solid. Mayfield's accuracy is on another level though.
Kerry Wynn is one of our starting DEs
Oliver would replace Wynn as a 3-4 DE. The upgrade is MASSIVE.
Whatchu talking about?
You don't judge a DT by Sack totals, and he also missed 4 games.
You judge a DT by how he disrupts the pocket.
Amazing I have to explain Football 101 to so many on here.
Haskins can't throw accurately from a Compressed Pocket.
He needs the perfect pocket to complete an accurate pass.
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To top it off, how many prospects have we seen fail due to the mental aspect the pro game requires.
This is a good point, but one I am not concerned with Haskins. Dude is a hard worker, close to getting his degree already from school. You can see he goes through his progressions as well. He's not a 1 read and duck out of the pocket kinda guy.
Haskins is not a realistic option at 6.
Give it a rest.
You are a delusional psychopath that needs serious help.
No, dumb shit, YOU are delusional for thinking the Giants want Haskins.
Exactly.
And he would replace our weakest link on the line (Kerry Wynn)
Imagine going from Kerry Wynn to Ed Oliver in 2019.
The upgrade is beyond massive in every aspect.
Ed Oliver - Value AND Need pick
Not saying we should take him, just that I can't see criticizing him as a serious possibility.
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so Oliver would be a DE for us.
Exactly.
And he would replace our weakest link on the line (Kerry Wynn)
Imagine going from Kerry Wynn to Ed Oliver in 2019.
The upgrade is beyond massive in every aspect.
Ed Oliver - Value AND Need pick
Oliver is not a fit. He's a 3T DT, not a 4T or 5T in a base 3-4. Gettleman will not draft him. He is smart. Imagine him watching film on Oliver and thinking he's a fit as a 3-4 DE. hahahaha! Completely delusional.
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so Oliver would be a DE for us.
Exactly.
And he would replace our weakest link on the line (Kerry Wynn)
Imagine going from Kerry Wynn to Ed Oliver in 2019.
The upgrade is beyond massive in every aspect.
Ed Oliver - Value AND Need pick
While I would be happy with Oliver at 6 DE isn't a huge need IMO if the Giants re-sign Mario Edwards and Josh Mauro. Edwards was a pleasant surprise for the Giants. He is still young and improving. You can never have enough depth on the DL though. I would prefer to see Tomlinson move back to the 5 technique but the Giants have to add a NT to the roster.
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To top it off, how many prospects have we seen fail due to the mental aspect the pro game requires.
This is a good point, but one I am not concerned with Haskins. Dude is a hard worker, close to getting his degree already from school. You can see he goes through his progressions as well. He's not a 1 read and duck out of the pocket kinda guy.
Haskins is not a realistic option at 6.
Give it a rest.
You are a delusional psychopath that needs serious help.
No, dumb shit, YOU are delusional for thinking the Giants want Haskins.
Is there any information that supports this statement or are you one of those people who post their opinions as fact? The truth is nobody knows what the Giants will do in the draft that is over 4 months away.
Imho value is measured on an individual player basis based on how unusual or outstanding any player is based on VS all the others ...ever... at that position.
If your prospect is faster, more mobile, smarter or more football instinctive, bigger, stronger, loves the game more than most at that position,.... ever...., they go early... top rounds.
NOT "the top (name any position) usually goes high in Rd X"
It does have value to know those trends, but they don't offer value in terms of your measure of actual players. That's market knowledge. Trends. Which you try to play to take advantage of the overall market. But:
If the best X any position this year = a 2nd or 3rd rounder in previous years, they still should go in 2 or 3.
They might go higher, but that's doesn't indicate true value. Market value, yes.
Each draft is different.
Not saying we should take him, just that I can't see criticizing him as a serious possibility.
Del, it's about fit. In a 3-4, his value is greater if he's a NT, and less if he's a DE.
In a 4-3, he makes more sense as a DT.
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etc., but I can't see blasting the choice of Oliver at #6. We need an impact DL and he's rated as high as the #3 pick overall - doesn't seem like a reach.
Not saying we should take him, just that I can't see criticizing him as a serious possibility.
Del, it's about fit. In a 3-4, his value is greater if he's a NT, and less if he's a DE.
In a 4-3, he makes more sense as a DT.
The argument could be made that our 1 gap 3/4 works is more similar to a 4/3 than a traditional 3/4.
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etc., but I can't see blasting the choice of Oliver at #6. We need an impact DL and he's rated as high as the #3 pick overall - doesn't seem like a reach.
Not saying we should take him, just that I can't see criticizing him as a serious possibility.
Del, it's about fit. In a 3-4, his value is greater if he's a NT, and less if he's a DE.
In a 4-3, he makes more sense as a DT.
The argument could be made that our 1 gap 3/4 works is more similar to a 4/3 than a traditional 3/4.
I get it, but DG has been showing 4-3 players the door and importing 3-4 players. That suggests they're possibly in transition like much of the roster and blueprint.
No, dumb shit, YOU are delusional for thinking the Giants want Haskins.
You are a sad little man.
I was wrong on Aaron Donald during his scouting season, flat out.
What do you think is risky about him?
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Is too risky to take at 6 imv.
What do you think is risky about him?
Questionable football IQ, questionable vs the run, didn’t play the toughest competition.
Explosive athlete w a lot of upside, but I’d rather go with a more polished guy off the edge.
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To top it off, how many prospects have we seen fail due to the mental aspect the pro game requires.
This is a good point, but one I am not concerned with Haskins. Dude is a hard worker, close to getting his degree already from school. You can see he goes through his progressions as well. He's not a 1 read and duck out of the pocket kinda guy.
Haskins is not a realistic option at 6.
Give it a rest.
You are a delusional psychopath that needs serious help.
OMFG. The pot and the kettle...
And who might you be? Bitch
Besides Bosa and Williams, he’s my favorite d-lineman
By watching him play. He has trouble diagnosing plays.
Questionable football IQ, questionable vs the run, didn’t play the toughest competition.
Explosive athlete w a lot of upside, but I’d rather go with a more polished guy off the edge.
Never heard that. Oliver was the 4th ranked played in the HS Class of 2016. Had offers from all of the top schools. It was a surprise he stated at home in Houston. Was really trying to help the program.
So being a top NFL draft prospect in no surprise here...
No evidence, but I think he sort of mailed it in this year to save himself for the draft. His frosh and soph years were very, very good in all facets...
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Questionable football IQ, questionable vs the run, didn’t play the toughest competition.
Explosive athlete w a lot of upside, but I’d rather go with a more polished guy off the edge.
Never heard that. Oliver was the 4th ranked played in the HS Class of 2016. Had offers from all of the top schools. It was a surprise he stated at home in Houston. Was really trying to help the program.
So being a top NFL draft prospect in no surprise here...
No evidence, but I think he sort of mailed it in this year to save himself for the draft. His frosh and soph years were very, very good in all facets...
Thats exactly what I'm thinking. Anyone that watched him play fresh and soph wouldn't be questioning take him at 6.
He sure has a clean pocket! Tulane was in the National Championship hunt this year, right?
That's a little snarky, but you get my point.