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DT Ed Oliver - perfect choice at #6 overall pick

SaqBar999 : 1/8/2019 11:29 pm
Assuming Bosa/Quinnen/Josh Allen (clear Top 3) off the board

This dude Oliver is incredible at pushing and disrupting the pocket up the middle. Every time he has 1 blocker on him, he pushes his guy back. The rest of the time, he is doubled/tripled.

Gerald McCoy 2.0

Gettleman loves his DTs

Would be a 3-4 DE in this scheme next to Hill and Tomlinson
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The dude is 6'3  
ryanmkeane : 1/9/2019 1:21 pm : link
and built like a horse, can make all the throws, and played great against the best teams on the schedule. If he's not the guy at 6, then you are probably correct about the "it" factor or there's something about the work ethic.
I think  
mdthedream : 1/9/2019 1:21 pm : link
he played great all year 50tds and 8 int. I think he did more than just great.
He wasn't as "great" as those stats would seem  
JonC : 1/9/2019 1:22 pm : link
Haskins wasn't better than Darnold at their respective bests.
RE: The dude is 6'3  
JonC : 1/9/2019 1:23 pm : link
In comment 14255573 ryanmkeane said:
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and built like a horse, can make all the throws, and played great against the best teams on the schedule. If he's not the guy at 6, then you are probably correct about the "it" factor or there's something about the work ethic.


He needs to have a big Combines to ease the concerns, and I don't think the skill is there.
We'll find out in April on Haskins  
JonC : 1/9/2019 1:26 pm : link
I'm looking good on Darnold.
RE: RE: I could be wrong..  
adamg : 1/9/2019 1:27 pm : link
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but I thought the people saying Haskins were doing it to get a rise out of the OP, who seems to be a troll fixated on Haskins.



Other than B, I think the others were legitimately stating their preference for Haskins. Brace yourself because any attempt to discuss other prospects for the next 3 1/2 months will be drowned out by those who are incapable of processing an opposing thought with cries for Haskins. What will be even worse, is that when Haskins is sitting there at #6 and DG chooses a different player, we will be treated to the summary conclusion that DG is an old, slobbering, fool who has no idea what he is doing. The Sammy Sycophants have quieted down only to prop up their latest idol.


Well, you were wrong and Fatman was right. I was most definitely fucking with the troll OP. I can't believe this thread took off with actual discussion. IMO people need to not seriously engage these trolls.
RE: RE: The dude is 6'3  
Kyle in NY : 1/9/2019 1:27 pm : link
In comment 14255579 JonC said:
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and built like a horse, can make all the throws, and played great against the best teams on the schedule. If he's not the guy at 6, then you are probably correct about the "it" factor or there's something about the work ethic.



He needs to have a big Combines to ease the concerns, and I don't think the skill is there.


You don't think Haskins has the skill?
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JonC : 1/9/2019 1:28 pm : link
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and built like a horse, can make all the throws, and played great against the best teams on the schedule. If he's not the guy at 6, then you are probably correct about the "it" factor or there's something about the work ethic.



He needs to have a big Combines to ease the concerns, and I don't think the skill is there.



You don't think Haskins has the skill?


Not to clearly project him as a blue chip NFL prospect, no.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Haskins and Tua  
adamg : 1/9/2019 1:31 pm : link
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To top it off, how many prospects have we seen fail due to the mental aspect the pro game requires.


This is a good point, but one I am not concerned with Haskins. Dude is a hard worker, close to getting his degree already from school. You can see he goes through his progressions as well. He's not a 1 read and duck out of the pocket kinda guy.



Haskins is not a realistic option at 6.

Give it a rest.



You are a delusional psychopath that needs serious help.


OMFG. The pot and the kettle...
Ed Oliver  
Phil in LA : 1/9/2019 1:39 pm : link
had 3 sacks this year. 3. Aaron Donald he ain't and the reason why so many first round DL's fail, is from teams projecting pass rush that never shows up. Any pundit saying he is like Aaron Donald hasn't looked at the numbers and is making a dangerous projection.
Haskins has answered all the questions he can  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/9/2019 1:46 pm : link
Urban gave him way more responsibility in moving through progressions than his past qbs. The biggest question mark is usually the one that seperates the men from the boys though and that is his ability to throw with pressure in his face. Scouts are going to have to do their due dilligance there with the small sample size.
RE: Haskins has answered all the questions he can  
Kyle in NY : 1/9/2019 1:48 pm : link
In comment 14255621 Zeke's Alibi said:
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Urban gave him way more responsibility in moving through progressions than his past qbs. The biggest question mark is usually the one that seperates the men from the boys though and that is his ability to throw with pressure in his face. Scouts are going to have to do their due dilligance there with the small sample size.


Well said and accurate
I'm an Urban hater  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/9/2019 1:48 pm : link
but anyone that watched that Maryland game could see he has that it factor.
Quarterbacks always are graded differently  
blueblood : 1/9/2019 1:50 pm : link
and they always move up the charts. Especially with Senior Bowl, Combine and private workouts.

Both Wentz and Mayfield moved up in the draft.
RE: Quarterbacks always are graded differently  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/9/2019 1:59 pm : link
In comment 14255630 blueblood said:
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and they always move up the charts. Especially with Senior Bowl, Combine and private workouts.

Both Wentz and Mayfield moved up in the draft.


Mayfield was my number one guy last year and to me the only question mark was the same one I have for Haskins. How is gonna perform with pressure in his face. His size didn't bother me because he's built rock solid. Mayfield's accuracy is on another level though.
RE: There's a ton  
SaqBar999 : 1/9/2019 2:03 pm : link
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of holes on this roster. But at 6 if we took DT (a position that we look pretty solid at) over QB, ER, or OL, that would really be tough to swallow.



Kerry Wynn is one of our starting DEs

Oliver would replace Wynn as a 3-4 DE. The upgrade is MASSIVE.

Whatchu talking about?
Mayfield's accuracy  
JonC : 1/9/2019 2:05 pm : link
and ability to keep plays alive and read through his progressions are two big keys to his game.
RE: Ed Oliver  
SaqBar999 : 1/9/2019 2:06 pm : link
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had 3 sacks this year. 3. Aaron Donald he ain't and the reason why so many first round DL's fail, is from teams projecting pass rush that never shows up. Any pundit saying he is like Aaron Donald hasn't looked at the numbers and is making a dangerous projection.



You don't judge a DT by Sack totals, and he also missed 4 games.

You judge a DT by how he disrupts the pocket.

Amazing I have to explain Football 101 to so many on here.
RE: I'm an Urban hater  
SaqBar999 : 1/9/2019 2:07 pm : link
In comment 14255627 Zeke's Alibi said:
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but anyone that watched that Maryland game could see he has that it factor.


Haskins can't throw accurately from a Compressed Pocket.

He needs the perfect pocket to complete an accurate pass.
We play a 3-4  
Phil in LA : 1/9/2019 2:08 pm : link
so Oliver would be a DE for us.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Haskins and Tua  
SaqBar999 : 1/9/2019 2:10 pm : link
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To top it off, how many prospects have we seen fail due to the mental aspect the pro game requires.


This is a good point, but one I am not concerned with Haskins. Dude is a hard worker, close to getting his degree already from school. You can see he goes through his progressions as well. He's not a 1 read and duck out of the pocket kinda guy.



Haskins is not a realistic option at 6.

Give it a rest.



You are a delusional psychopath that needs serious help.



No, dumb shit, YOU are delusional for thinking the Giants want Haskins.
RE: We play a 3-4  
SaqBar999 : 1/9/2019 2:11 pm : link
In comment 14255665 Phil in LA said:
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so Oliver would be a DE for us.



Exactly.

And he would replace our weakest link on the line (Kerry Wynn)

Imagine going from Kerry Wynn to Ed Oliver in 2019.

The upgrade is beyond massive in every aspect.

Ed Oliver - Value AND Need pick
I'll stay out of the Haskins debate and will also await the combines  
Del Shofner : 1/9/2019 2:16 pm : link
etc., but I can't see blasting the choice of Oliver at #6. We need an impact DL and he's rated as high as the #3 pick overall - doesn't seem like a reach.

Not saying we should take him, just that I can't see criticizing him as a serious possibility.
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Strahan91 : 1/9/2019 2:16 pm : link
In comment 14255671 SaqBar999 said:
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so Oliver would be a DE for us.




Exactly.

And he would replace our weakest link on the line (Kerry Wynn)

Imagine going from Kerry Wynn to Ed Oliver in 2019.

The upgrade is beyond massive in every aspect.

Ed Oliver - Value AND Need pick

Oliver is not a fit. He's a 3T DT, not a 4T or 5T in a base 3-4. Gettleman will not draft him. He is smart. Imagine him watching film on Oliver and thinking he's a fit as a 3-4 DE. hahahaha! Completely delusional.
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Jay on the Island : 1/9/2019 2:17 pm : link
In comment 14255671 SaqBar999 said:
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so Oliver would be a DE for us.




Exactly.

And he would replace our weakest link on the line (Kerry Wynn)

Imagine going from Kerry Wynn to Ed Oliver in 2019.

The upgrade is beyond massive in every aspect.

Ed Oliver - Value AND Need pick

While I would be happy with Oliver at 6 DE isn't a huge need IMO if the Giants re-sign Mario Edwards and Josh Mauro. Edwards was a pleasant surprise for the Giants. He is still young and improving. You can never have enough depth on the DL though. I would prefer to see Tomlinson move back to the 5 technique but the Giants have to add a NT to the roster.
On a recent Scout's Honor  
K-Gun? Pop-Gun : 1/9/2019 2:18 pm : link
Dave-Te'Thomas was not too impressed with Oliver.

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Jay on the Island : 1/9/2019 2:20 pm : link
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To top it off, how many prospects have we seen fail due to the mental aspect the pro game requires.


This is a good point, but one I am not concerned with Haskins. Dude is a hard worker, close to getting his degree already from school. You can see he goes through his progressions as well. He's not a 1 read and duck out of the pocket kinda guy.



Haskins is not a realistic option at 6.

Give it a rest.



You are a delusional psychopath that needs serious help.




No, dumb shit, YOU are delusional for thinking the Giants want Haskins.

Is there any information that supports this statement or are you one of those people who post their opinions as fact? The truth is nobody knows what the Giants will do in the draft that is over 4 months away.
Whereas I'm not looking at prospects r now, but  
idiotsavant : 1/9/2019 2:22 pm : link
It's true that some fans tend to conflate past draft order trends, i.e. positional expectations, i.e. such as the expectations of a QB or wr or edge rusher within the top 3...with actual value measures.

Imho value is measured on an individual player basis based on how unusual or outstanding any player is based on VS all the others ...ever... at that position.

If your prospect is faster, more mobile, smarter or more football instinctive, bigger, stronger, loves the game more than most at that position,.... ever...., they go early... top rounds.

NOT "the top (name any position) usually goes high in Rd X"

It does have value to know those trends, but they don't offer value in terms of your measure of actual players. That's market knowledge. Trends. Which you try to play to take advantage of the overall market. But:

If the best X any position this year = a 2nd or 3rd rounder in previous years, they still should go in 2 or 3.
They might go higher, but that's doesn't indicate true value. Market value, yes.

Each draft is different.
RE: I'll stay out of the Haskins debate and will also await the combines  
JonC : 1/9/2019 2:30 pm : link
In comment 14255676 Del Shofner said:
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etc., but I can't see blasting the choice of Oliver at #6. We need an impact DL and he's rated as high as the #3 pick overall - doesn't seem like a reach.

Not saying we should take him, just that I can't see criticizing him as a serious possibility.


Del, it's about fit. In a 3-4, his value is greater if he's a NT, and less if he's a DE.

In a 4-3, he makes more sense as a DT.
RE: RE: I'll stay out of the Haskins debate and will also await the combines  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/9/2019 2:36 pm : link
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etc., but I can't see blasting the choice of Oliver at #6. We need an impact DL and he's rated as high as the #3 pick overall - doesn't seem like a reach.

Not saying we should take him, just that I can't see criticizing him as a serious possibility.



Del, it's about fit. In a 3-4, his value is greater if he's a NT, and less if he's a DE.

In a 4-3, he makes more sense as a DT.


The argument could be made that our 1 gap 3/4 works is more similar to a 4/3 than a traditional 3/4.
We don't run a traditional 3-4 though  
AcesUp : 1/9/2019 2:36 pm : link
Our DEs aren't really asked to anchor, they're playing 1 gap and asked to get up field. That is the thing that Oliver does exceptionally well, potentially rare ability there. Personnel wise, there's some overlap with Hill and they do appear to want more length at the other end spot but he is a scheme fit here.
And anyone that only saw Oliver play this year  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/9/2019 2:38 pm : link
needs to see him his Fresh and Soph years. Not sure why his play declined this year but he was unreal as a fresh and aoph.
RE: RE: RE: I'll stay out of the Haskins debate and will also await the combines  
JonC : 1/9/2019 2:43 pm : link
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etc., but I can't see blasting the choice of Oliver at #6. We need an impact DL and he's rated as high as the #3 pick overall - doesn't seem like a reach.

Not saying we should take him, just that I can't see criticizing him as a serious possibility.



Del, it's about fit. In a 3-4, his value is greater if he's a NT, and less if he's a DE.

In a 4-3, he makes more sense as a DT.



The argument could be made that our 1 gap 3/4 works is more similar to a 4/3 than a traditional 3/4.


I get it, but DG has been showing 4-3 players the door and importing 3-4 players. That suggests they're possibly in transition like much of the roster and blueprint.
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LakeGeorgeGiant : 1/9/2019 3:00 pm : link
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No, dumb shit, YOU are delusional for thinking the Giants want Haskins.


You are a sad little man.
JonC  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/9/2019 3:13 pm : link
Certainly a possibility. Betcher gives me the vibe of a guy that will tailor his defense to the talent though and Oliver is a helluva talent. He comes out last year he's first defensive player off board imo. Due dilligance from him is going to come from what information they can get from inside the weight room on him. Does he pssess the pure strength that Darnold has?
RE: JonC  
JonC : 1/9/2019 3:16 pm : link
In comment 14255767 Zeke's Alibi said:
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Certainly a possibility. Betcher gives me the vibe of a guy that will tailor his defense to the talent though and Oliver is a helluva talent. He comes out last year he's first defensive player off board imo. Due dilligance from him is going to come from what information they can get from inside the weight room on him. Does he pssess the pure strength that Darnold has?


I was wrong on Aaron Donald during his scouting season, flat out.
JonC you know how this will go down  
Dave on the UWS : 1/9/2019 3:32 pm : link
if Gettleman thinks when heís on the clock, that Haskins is the BPA he will take him. If not he wonít. Any discussion at this point before all star games, combine, personal meetings, pro days, etc., is pointless. We will see what April brings.
I was uncertain about Darnold, but it taught me it is important  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/9/2019 3:33 pm : link
to recognize the NFL has changed a ton. No way I'd be stumping for Mayfield ten years ago, but he's practically the prototypical NFL QB now. Being mobile and having consistent pinpoint accuracy are the two most important traits a QB can have now. Mobility keeps the chains moving and the accuracy creates the YAC, which is really where big plays in the NFL come from now.
I actually believe frame size is way more important than height in NFL  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/9/2019 3:35 pm : link
qbs today. Mobility comes with a price and guys that aren't built don't stay healthy.
Oliver  
WillVAB : 1/9/2019 3:43 pm : link
Is too risky to take at 6 imv.
RE: Oliver  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/9/2019 3:53 pm : link
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Is too risky to take at 6 imv.


What do you think is risky about him?
I just looked up his weight room numbers  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/9/2019 3:57 pm : link
and he has strength numbers considered elite for NFL players so that answers that. Wait till he runs sub 4.7 at combine. We may not even get a chance to draft him.
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WillVAB : 1/9/2019 4:03 pm : link
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Is too risky to take at 6 imv.



What do you think is risky about him?


Questionable football IQ, questionable vs the run, didnít play the toughest competition.

Explosive athlete w a lot of upside, but Iíd rather go with a more polished guy off the edge.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Haskins and Tua  
Ssanders9816 : 1/9/2019 4:14 pm : link
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To top it off, how many prospects have we seen fail due to the mental aspect the pro game requires.


This is a good point, but one I am not concerned with Haskins. Dude is a hard worker, close to getting his degree already from school. You can see he goes through his progressions as well. He's not a 1 read and duck out of the pocket kinda guy.



Haskins is not a realistic option at 6.

Give it a rest.



You are a delusional psychopath that needs serious help.



OMFG. The pot and the kettle...


And who might you be? Bitch
Questionable vs the run isn't correct, but okay.  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/9/2019 4:21 pm : link
To me the only real question mark he has is no sack production. Thats explainable though, he played nose in a 3/4 front. I think his statistical production is low because he consistently faced double and triple teams. Questionable football IQ is new to me? Where did you hear that?
Has anyone watched Jeffrey Simmons?  
jayg5 : 1/9/2019 8:00 pm : link
Looks like a stud
Besides Bosa and Williams, heís my favorite d-lineman
RE: Questionable vs the run isn't correct, but okay.  
WillVAB : 1/9/2019 8:02 pm : link
In comment 14255863 Zeke's Alibi said:
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To me the only real question mark he has is no sack production. Thats explainable though, he played nose in a 3/4 front. I think his statistical production is low because he consistently faced double and triple teams. Questionable football IQ is new to me? Where did you hear that?


By watching him play. He has trouble diagnosing plays.
RE: RE: RE: Oliver  
bw in dc : 1/9/2019 8:17 pm : link
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Questionable football IQ, questionable vs the run, didnít play the toughest competition.

Explosive athlete w a lot of upside, but Iíd rather go with a more polished guy off the edge.


Never heard that. Oliver was the 4th ranked played in the HS Class of 2016. Had offers from all of the top schools. It was a surprise he stated at home in Houston. Was really trying to help the program.

So being a top NFL draft prospect in no surprise here...

No evidence, but I think he sort of mailed it in this year to save himself for the draft. His frosh and soph years were very, very good in all facets...
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Zeke's Alibi : 1/9/2019 8:21 pm : link
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Questionable football IQ, questionable vs the run, didnít play the toughest competition.

Explosive athlete w a lot of upside, but Iíd rather go with a more polished guy off the edge.



Never heard that. Oliver was the 4th ranked played in the HS Class of 2016. Had offers from all of the top schools. It was a surprise he stated at home in Houston. Was really trying to help the program.

So being a top NFL draft prospect in no surprise here...

No evidence, but I think he sort of mailed it in this year to save himself for the draft. His frosh and soph years were very, very good in all facets...


Thats exactly what I'm thinking. Anyone that watched him play fresh and soph wouldn't be questioning take him at 6.
RE: whats not to like  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 1/9/2019 9:34 pm : link
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Kid looks great. Link - ( New Window )


He sure has a clean pocket! Tulane was in the National Championship hunt this year, right?

That's a little snarky, but you get my point.
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