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DT Ed Oliver - perfect choice at #6 overall pick

SaqBar999 : 1/8/2019 11:29 pm
Assuming Bosa/Quinnen/Josh Allen (clear Top 3) off the board

This dude Oliver is incredible at pushing and disrupting the pocket up the middle. Every time he has 1 blocker on him, he pushes his guy back. The rest of the time, he is doubled/tripled.

Gerald McCoy 2.0

Gettleman loves his DTs

Would be a 3-4 DE in this scheme next to Hill and Tomlinson
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I think Haskins is the real prize at 6  
adamg : 1/8/2019 11:33 pm : link
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RE: I think Haskins is the real prize at 6  
LauderdaleMatty : 1/8/2019 11:40 pm : link
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Someone is going to make a stupid offer to get him way before 6 I recall when he was a top recruit. Good kid. Good head on his shoulders. And despite all the stuff about how easy he had it IMO his skill set fits the NFL. Meyer has then adjust The Who Power Spread ro more a a pro set for him. To me that says a lot
How about Haskins at 6  
Dutch77 : 1/8/2019 11:44 pm : link
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I was going to post the same thing about Haskins  
Giants38 : 1/8/2019 11:58 pm : link
Three people beat me to the punch. Well done.
Oliver reminds me a bit of Eric Dorsey  
Phil in LA : 1/9/2019 12:13 am : link
Strong against the run, but little or no pass rush. Probably a big overdraft at 6.
Haskins won't even be considered  
SaqBar999 : 1/9/2019 12:13 am : link
Gettleman drafts BPA and Haskins isn't close to the 6th best player.

Ed Oliver checks off every box:

- Blue-Chip talent with elite Pro-Bowl upside
- Plays a premium position that Gettleman obsesses over (Interior DL)
- Fills a need (starting 3-4 DE next to Hill/Tomlinson)
- BPA
RE: I think Haskins is the real prize at 6  
SaqBar999 : 1/9/2019 12:14 am : link
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No, QB is not a need in 2019 and Gettleman doesn't draft shitty QBs with Top 10 picks
RE: Oliver reminds me a bit of Eric Dorsey  
SaqBar999 : 1/9/2019 12:17 am : link
In comment 14254979 Phil in LA said:
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Strong against the run, but little or no pass rush. Probably a big overdraft at 6.


Huh? That's literally backwards. He's a pass-rushing DT who gets upfield. He is compared to Aaron Donald, Dominique Easley. His weakness is his lateral anchor against the run.
Dorsey is 6'-5"  
GeorgeAdams33 : 1/9/2019 1:05 am : link
Oliver is 6'-2"


RE: RE: Oliver reminds me a bit of Eric Dorsey  
bw in dc : 1/9/2019 1:19 am : link
In comment 14254983 SaqBar999 said:
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Strong against the run, but little or no pass rush. Probably a big overdraft at 6.



Huh? That's literally backwards. He's a pass-rushing DT who gets upfield. He is compared to Aaron Donald, Dominique Easley. His weakness is his lateral anchor against the run.


I agree. It is backwards. Oliver has a tremendous first step and quickness. If anything, he overruns running plays. But he is a disruptive force getting to the backfield. I see a lot of Warren Sapp.
RE: I think Haskins is the real prize at 6  
BlueLou'sBack : 1/9/2019 1:21 am : link
In comment 14254962 adamg said:
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Like Matty said: if he's still on the board, but likely he'll be gone because the Jags or Broncs will jump us. He's prolly the best QB this year and def a first round talent... so if you need a QB, he's your guy. Fact is, Broncs and Jags need him even more than the Gmen do. Keep Jamon Brown, upgrade OC and RT, and Eli will ball just fine.
Unless a DT is the 2nd coming  
section125 : 1/9/2019 4:36 am : link
of Aaron Donald, you do not take one at #6.
Don’t know how well  
jeff57 : 1/9/2019 5:27 am : link
He’d fit into a 3-4.
Now that we play a 3-4 EDGE is the position of need  
BillT : 1/9/2019 6:15 am : link
A pass rusher there not on the DL is the priority.
I want Dwayne Asskins  
B in ALB : 1/9/2019 6:37 am : link
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Haskins  
mdthedream : 1/9/2019 6:51 am : link
5000yds 50tds and only 8 Int for a rating of 173. This guy should have won the Heisman trophy. Plus he is only 21.
everyone  
mdthedream : 1/9/2019 6:53 am : link
wants Tua he threw for 4000 yards and 43tds.
Hebert  
mdthedream : 1/9/2019 6:56 am : link
threw for 3000yds 29tds. So all this talk that those guys make a better QB draft class really makes no sense if the Giants have a shot at Haskins.
whats not to like  
mdthedream : 1/9/2019 7:13 am : link
Kid looks great.
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christian : 1/9/2019 7:33 am : link
I love Haskins, but the YouTube could be titled 'Haskins with plenty of time ..."
Definitely Haskins.  
barens : 1/9/2019 8:08 am : link
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I doubt we go 3-4 DE at #6 overall  
JonC : 1/9/2019 8:11 am : link
in a 3-4, the NT is typically the talent spot on the DL.
My only concern with Haskins is he tends to throw the ball slightly  
Saos1n : 1/9/2019 8:12 am : link
Behind his receivers on crossing routes with a trailing DB. This will my fly in the NFL. Majority of college kids don’t have the speed to make a play. That’s not the case at the next level. Having said that, that can be coached and worked on. He moves well in the pocket, can’t blame him for having tons of time. He sees the rush well, moves well and keeps his eyes downfield. His arm strength and touch on check downs is what I’m most impressed with. Eli never had that touch. Having Barkley out of the backfield for the foreseeable future, touch on swing routes and screens is going to be a necessity
13 of 15  
idiotsavant : 1/9/2019 8:22 am : link
If I remember correctly. On CBS over all rankings. 13 of the over all top 15 are front 7 defenders.

13!

There is a good chance that picking at 6 you get a top 3 or 4 overall DL or olb defender assuming that someone picking 1-5 has need on offense and/or another team reads value slightly differently. Maybe even a top 2.

And- it's also highly likely that a few of those 13 will still be available top of round 2.

It's an unusual situation and given that teams ran on us late in games and moved and passed the ball late in games appears a no brainer.
RE: I think Haskins is the real prize at 6  
GoBlue6599 : 1/9/2019 8:38 am : link
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Agreed.. Haskins throwing to OBJ Shep, Engram and Barkley
Sign me up
RE: whats not to like  
Jay in Toronto : 1/9/2019 8:44 am : link
In comment 14255061 mdthedream said:
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Nice, but show me some clips where he doesn't have all day to throw to wide open receivers.
I could be wrong..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/9/2019 8:49 am : link
but I thought the people saying Haskins were doing it to get a rise out of the OP, who seems to be a troll fixated on Haskins.
I just don't think that Getts throws away value  
idiotsavant : 1/9/2019 8:52 am : link
That much.

If there is a top 4 -overall- defender sitting there, and your top QB is say, 15th overall ...at best, that's typically an order of magnitude below in terms of how unusual the player is.

Expect a similar situation at #38 as well. A few Top 15 overall defenders vs more or less in the 30s overall - everything else.

Also. I never liked QBs from dominant college programs with big o lines.
RE: I could be wrong..  
Diver_Down : 1/9/2019 8:59 am : link
In comment 14255098 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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but I thought the people saying Haskins were doing it to get a rise out of the OP, who seems to be a troll fixated on Haskins.


Other than B, I think the others were legitimately stating their preference for Haskins. Brace yourself because any attempt to discuss other prospects for the next 3 1/2 months will be drowned out by those who are incapable of processing an opposing thought with cries for Haskins. What will be even worse, is that when Haskins is sitting there at #6 and DG chooses a different player, we will be treated to the summary conclusion that DG is an old, slobbering, fool who has no idea what he is doing. The Sammy Sycophants have quieted down only to prop up their latest idol.
Whereas I was thinking line last year  
idiotsavant : 1/9/2019 9:01 am : link
Getts did very well to target the unusual skill set player, in that case at RB.

Same thing here. If there is a player with freakish unusual ability at DT, or DL or OLB that will be the choice vs a 'reasonably good bet' at QB.
Haskins all the way.  
Strahan91 : 1/9/2019 9:05 am : link
Gettlemen is a former scout. You think he’s going to draft Ed Oliver? Is that a joke? Gettlemen is smart and a smart GM will take Haskins, not Ed Oliver.
Then just the entertainment factor  
idiotsavant : 1/9/2019 9:06 am : link
80s style, or flash to Strahan,tuck,osi and etc.

Or the great DLs and front 7s from the epic teams of you're.

Being able to blow shit up up front on big downs is just fun to watch, and gives your offense more leeway.
Hmm, I must admit I am changing my mind  
jvm52106 : 1/9/2019 9:07 am : link
about Haskins. First off, stop with the all day to throw scouting report. That part doesn't matter for the purposes of what we are looking for.

#1- Look at his deep passes. He throws them very smoothly, no herky jerk motion or over use of the body to throw deep. The passes have great arc and hit their man in stride. We have not seen deep passes in stride in forever. Eli's deep passes have not been the same since 2011.

#2- He moves enough to make the throws but doesn't just take off running. His mechanics stay solid even while moving.

#3- He gets the ball out quickly and with force. Yes, a little behind on some crossing routes but, we have seen far worse over the last few years. He is young and can develop.

I am not yet 100% saying draft Haskins if there but, I would not be upset if we did. All this 2020/2021 talk is BS. You cannot assume we will be there to get any of those QB's.
I can't  
Giantophile : 1/9/2019 9:12 am : link
tell if the opinion of Haskins has really changed around here or if there is some kind of joke as FMIC suggested...maybe both?

I think at least 1 of the QBs will rise considerably in the off season. This happens every year. Wouldn't be surprised to see 2 of Haskins, Lock, Jones go top 6.
In which case we get the blue goose DT  
idiotsavant : 1/9/2019 9:17 am : link
And laugh. Those expected rising QBs, displace overall value leaders down to.our pick. Thank you.

Think 2002 bucs, 2000 Ravens, 85 bears, 2011 Giants...like that.
The Haskins hype train has pulled into the station.  
Brown Recluse : 1/9/2019 9:25 am : link
All aboard thats coming aboard.
RE: The Haskins hype train has pulled into the station.  
JonC : 1/9/2019 9:27 am : link
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All aboard thats coming aboard.


And, it's annoying.
I like Haskins at 6  
NikkiMac : 1/9/2019 9:37 am : link
Maybe Gettleman can move up after taking Haskins into the later 1 st round for a Edge guy
Eh.  
AcidTest : 1/9/2019 9:46 am : link
From what I've seen so far, I don't want Haskins at #6. But posters shouldn't be savaged for expressing a contrary opinion. The purpose of this board is to discuss the Giants, including who they might draft at #6.
RE: whats not to like  
TommyWiseau : 1/9/2019 9:50 am : link
In comment 14255061 mdthedream said:
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He has a pretty damn good arm
RE: I think Haskins is the real prize at 6  
ryanmkeane : 1/9/2019 9:54 am : link
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+1
Jon  
ryanmkeane : 1/9/2019 9:55 am : link
you were acting similar towards Darnold last year. How is it different that folks want Haskins this year?
I present facts and extensive experience and knowledge  
JonC : 1/9/2019 9:59 am : link
to support my posts, and I'm not (overly) obnoxious about it. Wouldn't say I behaved similarly ...
Let's face it  
JonC : 1/9/2019 10:00 am : link
not all fans and football knowledge are created equal.
RE: Eh.  
Diver_Down : 1/9/2019 10:04 am : link
In comment 14255159 AcidTest said:
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From what I've seen so far, I don't want Haskins at #6. But posters shouldn't be savaged for expressing a contrary opinion. The purpose of this board is to discuss the Giants, including who they might draft at #6.


And that is fair when a discussion is about who to draft at #6. But literally the thread is about DT Ed Oliver, yet right away, the cacaphony for Haskins drowns out any discussion and the thread devolves into a pro/con Haskins thread.
For whatever reason, I feel pretty comfortable where we are picking  
barens : 1/9/2019 10:05 am : link
this year, and whether it's Haskins, Oliver, Gary, Bosa, Q Williams, J Williams or even Josh Allen, I will be content.
Huge pass, total bust  
Ssanders9816 : 1/9/2019 10:12 am : link
Haskins is the BPA
RE: RE: The Haskins hype train has pulled into the station.  
Eman11 : 1/9/2019 10:13 am : link
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All aboard thats coming aboard.



And, it's annoying.


I actually heard Boomer say today the Giants should trade up to #1 to get him. He said it's a no brainer based on the 100 plays of him he watched. So basically seven plays a game. Lol.
I actually hope that the Giants do take Haskins  
Jay on the Island : 1/9/2019 10:17 am : link
just so that SaqBar's head explodes.
RE: RE: RE: The Haskins hype train has pulled into the station.  
JonC : 1/9/2019 10:22 am : link
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All aboard thats coming aboard.



And, it's annoying.



I actually heard Boomer say today the Giants should trade up to #1 to get him. He said it's a no brainer based on the 100 plays of him he watched. So basically seven plays a game. Lol.


That might be a little more than most have watched of Haskins, grin.
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