Assuming Bosa/Quinnen/Josh Allen (clear Top 3) off the board
This dude Oliver is incredible at pushing and disrupting the pocket up the middle. Every time he has 1 blocker on him, he pushes his guy back. The rest of the time, he is doubled/tripled.
Gerald McCoy 2.0
Gettleman loves his DTs
Would be a 3-4 DE in this scheme next to Hill and Tomlinson
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Kinda set at DT with Tomlinson.
So White wanted Oliver to take it off as the team was headed to halftime of a game. Olive got pissed and tempers flared. All on TV.
To me, dumb move by Applewhite. Handle it in the locker room.
Projecting QB skills to the NFL is not easy, it's a huge leap even from the top collegiate programs due to the complexity of offensive and defensive schemes, terminology, the SPEED of the pro game, and playing against grown men. To top it off, how many prospects have we seen fail due to the mental aspect the pro game requires.
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All aboard thats coming aboard.
And, it's annoying.
Tis the season... :)
Secondly, at possible "top 4 OVERALL" value, your damn right they can line up -next to- Hill (who can play anywhere on the DL to begin with, which allows this) and Tomlinson...bc the pick will have those skills otherwise wouldn't be valued at the very top of the draft. Top 5 or so for all pundits.
Thirdly, as Getts showed with Barkely, if the player is the very unusual type you draft em.
I like Haskins and would not object to the pick.
He has all of the physical tools and skill set to be a great QB.
However, I caution those who are using his stats as an indicator, take a close look at the stats.
Haskins threw more 5-10 yard passes that turned into long touchdowns then any other QB I remember watching.
The OSU schedule was very easy 10 out of the 14 teams they played had losing records and most of the games were not competitive. Haskins was great in these games throwing 33 touchdowns.
Haskins did not play well in a three game stretch in the middle of the season. If you watch the Purdue, Nebraska, and Michigan State games he was very ordinary.
If you look at the Purdue game, Haskins had empty stats as he threw for 470 yards, in the OSU loss. In Michagan State (61.5%) and Purdue (56.3%) his completion percentage was not good and he was missing open receivers.
The lack of games started does concern me. Only 4 out of the 14 games were competitive.
As a reference, until the Clemson game, I thought Tua was the best QB in college football.
But Tua showed some difficulties in the game that he will need to address. I want to see more.
We have not seen Haskins against the pressure defenses like a Clemson or Alabama.
Haskins is deliberate player that makes all the throws look easy. But what happens under pressure, we can only speculate how will he react when the game speeds up?
Have him as the fourth best player in the draft. But be surprised if the Giants went that way.
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From what I've seen so far, I don't want Haskins at #6. But posters shouldn't be savaged for expressing a contrary opinion. The purpose of this board is to discuss the Giants, including who they might draft at #6.
And that is fair when a discussion is about who to draft at #6. But literally the thread is about DT Ed Oliver, yet right away, the cacaphony for Haskins drowns out any discussion and the thread devolves into a pro/con Haskins thread.
I understand your point, but a lot of threads start out talking about one player, and end up talking about someone else.
Shouldn't confuse having to put a succession plan in place with it being the top priority.
The top priority is actually drafting and signing good players across the board, especially on defense.
He would be a 3-4 DE
Stop wasting ur time.
You posted a highlight video.
Ereck Flowers had a great highlight video coming out, too.
Seriously?
This is a good point, but one I am not concerned with Haskins. Dude is a hard worker, close to getting his degree already from school. You can see he goes through his progressions as well. He's not a 1 read and duck out of the pocket kinda guy.
Nothing about Haskins is a perfect fit. nothing at all.
If u think Gettleman is putting his scouting and GM career on the line for inexperienced Haskins, ur smoking something real strong.
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To top it off, how many prospects have we seen fail due to the mental aspect the pro game requires.
This is a good point, but one I am not concerned with Haskins. Dude is a hard worker, close to getting his degree already from school. You can see he goes through his progressions as well. He's not a 1 read and duck out of the pocket kinda guy.
Haskins is not a realistic option at 6.
Give it a rest.
Ed Oliver will be the BPA at 6. Gettleman drafts BPA
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To top it off, how many prospects have we seen fail due to the mental aspect the pro game requires.
This is a good point, but one I am not concerned with Haskins. Dude is a hard worker, close to getting his degree already from school. You can see he goes through his progressions as well. He's not a 1 read and duck out of the pocket kinda guy.
Haskins is not a realistic option at 6.
Give it a rest.
You are a delusional psychopath that needs serious help.
Darnold was a clear blue chip prospect. Perhaps not at the level of Andrew Luck, but his skills and upside were obvious. He could make all the throws, passed with pin-hole precision, and had the "it" factor that willed his teams to win. His only ding was ball security, which had a lot to do with the awful OL he played behind his final season at USC.
Haskins played on an OSU team that far outreached his opponents in talent. When he was faced with quality opposition, he really only rose to the challenge versus Michigan. The sample size is hard to ignore.
I don't think Haskins will be in the mix at #6 in April.
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To top it off, how many prospects have we seen fail due to the mental aspect the pro game requires.
This is a good point, but one I am not concerned with Haskins. Dude is a hard worker, close to getting his degree already from school. You can see he goes through his progressions as well. He's not a 1 read and duck out of the pocket kinda guy.
Not so certain about that, and that's where Meyer QBs tend to be well protected.
Haskins played on an OSU team that far outreached his opponents in talent. When he was faced with quality opposition, he really only rose to the challenge versus Michigan.
I'm gonna challenge you on that. Played great against Penn State (270 and 3 TD) Northwestern (499 and 5 TD), Washington (251 and 3 TD), and obviously Michigan (396 and 6 TD).
He played very well to great in every game against good competition. The notion that he only played awesome against Michigan isn't true.
He needs to have a big Combines to ease the concerns, and I don't think the skill is there.
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but I thought the people saying Haskins were doing it to get a rise out of the OP, who seems to be a troll fixated on Haskins.
Other than B, I think the others were legitimately stating their preference for Haskins. Brace yourself because any attempt to discuss other prospects for the next 3 1/2 months will be drowned out by those who are incapable of processing an opposing thought with cries for Haskins. What will be even worse, is that when Haskins is sitting there at #6 and DG chooses a different player, we will be treated to the summary conclusion that DG is an old, slobbering, fool who has no idea what he is doing. The Sammy Sycophants have quieted down only to prop up their latest idol.
Well, you were wrong and Fatman was right. I was most definitely fucking with the troll OP. I can't believe this thread took off with actual discussion. IMO people need to not seriously engage these trolls.
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and built like a horse, can make all the throws, and played great against the best teams on the schedule. If he's not the guy at 6, then you are probably correct about the "it" factor or there's something about the work ethic.
He needs to have a big Combines to ease the concerns, and I don't think the skill is there.
You don't think Haskins has the skill?
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and built like a horse, can make all the throws, and played great against the best teams on the schedule. If he's not the guy at 6, then you are probably correct about the "it" factor or there's something about the work ethic.
He needs to have a big Combines to ease the concerns, and I don't think the skill is there.
You don't think Haskins has the skill?
Not to clearly project him as a blue chip NFL prospect, no.
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To top it off, how many prospects have we seen fail due to the mental aspect the pro game requires.
This is a good point, but one I am not concerned with Haskins. Dude is a hard worker, close to getting his degree already from school. You can see he goes through his progressions as well. He's not a 1 read and duck out of the pocket kinda guy.
Haskins is not a realistic option at 6.
Give it a rest.
You are a delusional psychopath that needs serious help.
OMFG. The pot and the kettle...
Well said and accurate
Both Wentz and Mayfield moved up in the draft.
Both Wentz and Mayfield moved up in the draft.
Mayfield was my number one guy last year and to me the only question mark was the same one I have for Haskins. How is gonna perform with pressure in his face. His size didn't bother me because he's built rock solid. Mayfield's accuracy is on another level though.
Kerry Wynn is one of our starting DEs
Oliver would replace Wynn as a 3-4 DE. The upgrade is MASSIVE.
Whatchu talking about?
You don't judge a DT by Sack totals, and he also missed 4 games.
You judge a DT by how he disrupts the pocket.
Amazing I have to explain Football 101 to so many on here.