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DT Ed Oliver - perfect choice at #6 overall pick

SaqBar999 : 1/8/2019 11:29 pm
Assuming Bosa/Quinnen/Josh Allen (clear Top 3) off the board

This dude Oliver is incredible at pushing and disrupting the pocket up the middle. Every time he has 1 blocker on him, he pushes his guy back. The rest of the time, he is doubled/tripled.

Gerald McCoy 2.0

Gettleman loves his DTs

Would be a 3-4 DE in this scheme next to Hill and Tomlinson
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Can Oliver  
McNally's_Nuts : 1/9/2019 10:43 am : link
play DE in a base 3-4 system?

Kinda set at DT with Tomlinson.
Weren't there some issues with Oliver and Major Applewhite, his coach?  
Go Terps : 1/9/2019 10:44 am : link
I also don't know about Haskins. From the highlights I've watched I see the same thing as with Tua...tons of time to throw and wide open receivers. And many of the same types of throws...go routes, seams, that kind of thing. A go route from a clean pocket is one of the easiest throws a QB has to make, and Haskins and Tua make tons of them.
Terps...  
bw in dc : 1/9/2019 10:49 am : link
White was pissed Oliver wore a team jacket in a game he didn’t dress for. For some reason, that was against team rules.

So White wanted Oliver to take it off as the team was headed to halftime of a game. Olive got pissed and tempers flared. All on TV.

To me, dumb move by Applewhite. Handle it in the locker room.
Haskins and Tua  
JonC : 1/9/2019 10:56 am : link
have a lot to demonstrate in their respective scouting seasons regarding accuracy, touch, threading the needle and hitting the small windows. Same goes for Luck, Grier, Jones, etc especially when there's really no clear blue chip prospect available.

Projecting QB skills to the NFL is not easy, it's a huge leap even from the top collegiate programs due to the complexity of offensive and defensive schemes, terminology, the SPEED of the pro game, and playing against grown men. To top it off, how many prospects have we seen fail due to the mental aspect the pro game requires.
I'll tell ya who i'm beginning to warm to here  
GiantGrit : 1/9/2019 11:00 am : link
...Devin White is the exact medicine this defense needs. His closing speed is stupid fast.
RE: RE: The Haskins hype train has pulled into the station.  
Brown Recluse : 1/9/2019 11:18 am : link
In comment 14255132 JonC said:
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All aboard thats coming aboard.



And, it's annoying.


Tis the season... :)
First of all  
idiotsavant : 1/9/2019 11:21 am : link
Even with only 16 games x 4 quarters, your never "set" at DT. It wears anyone down. Anyone. We only have two legit on the entire roster! That's madness.

Secondly, at possible "top 4 OVERALL" value, your damn right they can line up -next to- Hill (who can play anywhere on the DL to begin with, which allows this) and Tomlinson...bc the pick will have those skills otherwise wouldn't be valued at the very top of the draft. Top 5 or so for all pundits.

Thirdly, as Getts showed with Barkely, if the player is the very unusual type you draft em.
Haskins  
Archer : 1/9/2019 11:37 am : link
Haskins may be the best player at (6) if he is then the Giants will take him.

I like Haskins and would not object to the pick.
He has all of the physical tools and skill set to be a great QB.

However, I caution those who are using his stats as an indicator, take a close look at the stats.

Haskins threw more 5-10 yard passes that turned into long touchdowns then any other QB I remember watching.

The OSU schedule was very easy 10 out of the 14 teams they played had losing records and most of the games were not competitive. Haskins was great in these games throwing 33 touchdowns.

Haskins did not play well in a three game stretch in the middle of the season. If you watch the Purdue, Nebraska, and Michigan State games he was very ordinary.
If you look at the Purdue game, Haskins had empty stats as he threw for 470 yards, in the OSU loss. In Michagan State (61.5%) and Purdue (56.3%) his completion percentage was not good and he was missing open receivers.

The lack of games started does concern me. Only 4 out of the 14 games were competitive.

As a reference, until the Clemson game, I thought Tua was the best QB in college football.
But Tua showed some difficulties in the game that he will need to address. I want to see more.

We have not seen Haskins against the pressure defenses like a Clemson or Alabama.
Haskins is deliberate player that makes all the throws look easy. But what happens under pressure, we can only speculate how will he react when the game speeds up?
RE: I'll tell ya who i'm beginning to warm to here  
jeff57 : 1/9/2019 11:40 am : link
In comment 14255267 GiantGrit said:
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...Devin White is the exact medicine this defense needs. His closing speed is stupid fast.


Have him as the fourth best player in the draft. But be surprised if the Giants went that way.
RE: RE: Eh.  
AcidTest : 1/9/2019 11:46 am : link
In comment 14255186 Diver_Down said:
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From what I've seen so far, I don't want Haskins at #6. But posters shouldn't be savaged for expressing a contrary opinion. The purpose of this board is to discuss the Giants, including who they might draft at #6.



And that is fair when a discussion is about who to draft at #6. But literally the thread is about DT Ed Oliver, yet right away, the cacaphony for Haskins drowns out any discussion and the thread devolves into a pro/con Haskins thread.


I understand your point, but a lot of threads start out talking about one player, and end up talking about someone else.
Because  
mdthedream : 1/9/2019 12:00 pm : link
A DT is not our top priority its a QB.
A QB..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/9/2019 12:03 pm : link
is our top priority??

Shouldn't confuse having to put a succession plan in place with it being the top priority.

The top priority is actually drafting and signing good players across the board, especially on defense.
Umm  
mdthedream : 1/9/2019 12:20 pm : link
he is a top 6 pick so I am not.
He  
mdthedream : 1/9/2019 12:25 pm : link
might be the best QB next draft class as well.
RE: Because  
SaqBar999 : 1/9/2019 1:03 pm : link
In comment 14255371 mdthedream said:
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A DT is not our top priority its a QB.


He would be a 3-4 DE

Haskins lovers should be dismissed  
SaqBar999 : 1/9/2019 1:05 pm : link
As there is no chance he is the pick.

Stop wasting ur time.

Jon  
ryanmkeane : 1/9/2019 1:06 pm : link
I just meant it was clear Darnold was your guy. I think Haskins has a lot of positives and he's a really good prospect. If he aces the combine, he's a perfect fit at 6.
RE: whats not to like  
SaqBar999 : 1/9/2019 1:07 pm : link
In comment 14255061 mdthedream said:
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Kid looks great. Link - ( New Window )


You posted a highlight video.

Ereck Flowers had a great highlight video coming out, too.

Seriously?

RE: Haskins and Tua  
ryanmkeane : 1/9/2019 1:08 pm : link
In comment 14255256 JonC said:
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To top it off, how many prospects have we seen fail due to the mental aspect the pro game requires.

This is a good point, but one I am not concerned with Haskins. Dude is a hard worker, close to getting his degree already from school. You can see he goes through his progressions as well. He's not a 1 read and duck out of the pocket kinda guy.
RE: Jon  
SaqBar999 : 1/9/2019 1:08 pm : link
In comment 14255532 ryanmkeane said:
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I just meant it was clear Darnold was your guy. I think Haskins has a lot of positives and he's a really good prospect. If he aces the combine, he's a perfect fit at 6.



Nothing about Haskins is a perfect fit. nothing at all.

If u think Gettleman is putting his scouting and GM career on the line for inexperienced Haskins, ur smoking something real strong.
Oliver  
ryanmkeane : 1/9/2019 1:09 pm : link
was pretty much the consensus #1 guy before the season started. I think some effort/attitude issues will plague him at the combine.
RE: RE: Haskins and Tua  
SaqBar999 : 1/9/2019 1:09 pm : link
In comment 14255536 ryanmkeane said:
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To top it off, how many prospects have we seen fail due to the mental aspect the pro game requires.


This is a good point, but one I am not concerned with Haskins. Dude is a hard worker, close to getting his degree already from school. You can see he goes through his progressions as well. He's not a 1 read and duck out of the pocket kinda guy.


Haskins is not a realistic option at 6.

Give it a rest.
Saq  
ryanmkeane : 1/9/2019 1:10 pm : link
we get you don't like Haskins. No need to reply to every post saying we aren't going to draft him - you don't have a single clue if we will or won't.
RE: Oliver  
SaqBar999 : 1/9/2019 1:10 pm : link
In comment 14255539 ryanmkeane said:
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was pretty much the consensus #1 guy before the season started. I think some effort/attitude issues will plague him at the combine.



Ed Oliver will be the BPA at 6. Gettleman drafts BPA
RE: RE: RE: Haskins and Tua  
Ssanders9816 : 1/9/2019 1:10 pm : link
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To top it off, how many prospects have we seen fail due to the mental aspect the pro game requires.


This is a good point, but one I am not concerned with Haskins. Dude is a hard worker, close to getting his degree already from school. You can see he goes through his progressions as well. He's not a 1 read and duck out of the pocket kinda guy.



Haskins is not a realistic option at 6.

Give it a rest.


You are a delusional psychopath that needs serious help.
There's a ton  
ryanmkeane : 1/9/2019 1:11 pm : link
of holes on this roster. But at 6 if we took DT (a position that we look pretty solid at) over QB, ER, or OL, that would really be tough to swallow.
RE: Jon  
JonC : 1/9/2019 1:12 pm : link
In comment 14255532 ryanmkeane said:
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I just meant it was clear Darnold was your guy. I think Haskins has a lot of positives and he's a really good prospect. If he aces the combine, he's a perfect fit at 6.


Darnold was a clear blue chip prospect. Perhaps not at the level of Andrew Luck, but his skills and upside were obvious. He could make all the throws, passed with pin-hole precision, and had the "it" factor that willed his teams to win. His only ding was ball security, which had a lot to do with the awful OL he played behind his final season at USC.

Haskins played on an OSU team that far outreached his opponents in talent. When he was faced with quality opposition, he really only rose to the challenge versus Michigan. The sample size is hard to ignore.

I don't think Haskins will be in the mix at #6 in April.
RE: RE: Haskins and Tua  
JonC : 1/9/2019 1:13 pm : link
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To top it off, how many prospects have we seen fail due to the mental aspect the pro game requires.


This is a good point, but one I am not concerned with Haskins. Dude is a hard worker, close to getting his degree already from school. You can see he goes through his progressions as well. He's not a 1 read and duck out of the pocket kinda guy.


Not so certain about that, and that's where Meyer QBs tend to be well protected.
RE: RE: Jon  
ryanmkeane : 1/9/2019 1:16 pm : link
In comment 14255554 JonC said:
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Haskins played on an OSU team that far outreached his opponents in talent. When he was faced with quality opposition, he really only rose to the challenge versus Michigan.

I'm gonna challenge you on that. Played great against Penn State (270 and 3 TD) Northwestern (499 and 5 TD), Washington (251 and 3 TD), and obviously Michigan (396 and 6 TD).

He played very well to great in every game against good competition. The notion that he only played awesome against Michigan isn't true.
I'm not sure  
ryanmkeane : 1/9/2019 1:17 pm : link
how you can say Darnold had the "it" factor and Haskins doesn't. Haskins is the leader of that team just as much as Darnold was, and Haskins was better.
I think  
mdthedream : 1/9/2019 1:19 pm : link
he stepped up in the Rose Bowl game as well.
I guess we will agree to disagree...  
ryanmkeane : 1/9/2019 1:19 pm : link
but I just think the level of competition thing is being over-analyzed.
The dude is 6'3  
ryanmkeane : 1/9/2019 1:21 pm : link
and built like a horse, can make all the throws, and played great against the best teams on the schedule. If he's not the guy at 6, then you are probably correct about the "it" factor or there's something about the work ethic.
I think  
mdthedream : 1/9/2019 1:21 pm : link
he played great all year 50tds and 8 int. I think he did more than just great.
He wasn't as "great" as those stats would seem  
JonC : 1/9/2019 1:22 pm : link
Haskins wasn't better than Darnold at their respective bests.
RE: The dude is 6'3  
JonC : 1/9/2019 1:23 pm : link
In comment 14255573 ryanmkeane said:
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and built like a horse, can make all the throws, and played great against the best teams on the schedule. If he's not the guy at 6, then you are probably correct about the "it" factor or there's something about the work ethic.


He needs to have a big Combines to ease the concerns, and I don't think the skill is there.
We'll find out in April on Haskins  
JonC : 1/9/2019 1:26 pm : link
I'm looking good on Darnold.
RE: RE: I could be wrong..  
adamg : 1/9/2019 1:27 pm : link
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but I thought the people saying Haskins were doing it to get a rise out of the OP, who seems to be a troll fixated on Haskins.



Other than B, I think the others were legitimately stating their preference for Haskins. Brace yourself because any attempt to discuss other prospects for the next 3 1/2 months will be drowned out by those who are incapable of processing an opposing thought with cries for Haskins. What will be even worse, is that when Haskins is sitting there at #6 and DG chooses a different player, we will be treated to the summary conclusion that DG is an old, slobbering, fool who has no idea what he is doing. The Sammy Sycophants have quieted down only to prop up their latest idol.


Well, you were wrong and Fatman was right. I was most definitely fucking with the troll OP. I can't believe this thread took off with actual discussion. IMO people need to not seriously engage these trolls.
RE: RE: The dude is 6'3  
Kyle in NY : 1/9/2019 1:27 pm : link
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and built like a horse, can make all the throws, and played great against the best teams on the schedule. If he's not the guy at 6, then you are probably correct about the "it" factor or there's something about the work ethic.



He needs to have a big Combines to ease the concerns, and I don't think the skill is there.


You don't think Haskins has the skill?
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JonC : 1/9/2019 1:28 pm : link
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and built like a horse, can make all the throws, and played great against the best teams on the schedule. If he's not the guy at 6, then you are probably correct about the "it" factor or there's something about the work ethic.



He needs to have a big Combines to ease the concerns, and I don't think the skill is there.



You don't think Haskins has the skill?


Not to clearly project him as a blue chip NFL prospect, no.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Haskins and Tua  
adamg : 1/9/2019 1:31 pm : link
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To top it off, how many prospects have we seen fail due to the mental aspect the pro game requires.


This is a good point, but one I am not concerned with Haskins. Dude is a hard worker, close to getting his degree already from school. You can see he goes through his progressions as well. He's not a 1 read and duck out of the pocket kinda guy.



Haskins is not a realistic option at 6.

Give it a rest.



You are a delusional psychopath that needs serious help.


OMFG. The pot and the kettle...
Ed Oliver  
Phil in LA : 1/9/2019 1:39 pm : link
had 3 sacks this year. 3. Aaron Donald he ain't and the reason why so many first round DL's fail, is from teams projecting pass rush that never shows up. Any pundit saying he is like Aaron Donald hasn't looked at the numbers and is making a dangerous projection.
Haskins has answered all the questions he can  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/9/2019 1:46 pm : link
Urban gave him way more responsibility in moving through progressions than his past qbs. The biggest question mark is usually the one that seperates the men from the boys though and that is his ability to throw with pressure in his face. Scouts are going to have to do their due dilligance there with the small sample size.
RE: Haskins has answered all the questions he can  
Kyle in NY : 1/9/2019 1:48 pm : link
In comment 14255621 Zeke's Alibi said:
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Urban gave him way more responsibility in moving through progressions than his past qbs. The biggest question mark is usually the one that seperates the men from the boys though and that is his ability to throw with pressure in his face. Scouts are going to have to do their due dilligance there with the small sample size.


Well said and accurate
I'm an Urban hater  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/9/2019 1:48 pm : link
but anyone that watched that Maryland game could see he has that it factor.
Quarterbacks always are graded differently  
blueblood : 1/9/2019 1:50 pm : link
and they always move up the charts. Especially with Senior Bowl, Combine and private workouts.

Both Wentz and Mayfield moved up in the draft.
RE: Quarterbacks always are graded differently  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/9/2019 1:59 pm : link
In comment 14255630 blueblood said:
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and they always move up the charts. Especially with Senior Bowl, Combine and private workouts.

Both Wentz and Mayfield moved up in the draft.


Mayfield was my number one guy last year and to me the only question mark was the same one I have for Haskins. How is gonna perform with pressure in his face. His size didn't bother me because he's built rock solid. Mayfield's accuracy is on another level though.
RE: There's a ton  
SaqBar999 : 1/9/2019 2:03 pm : link
In comment 14255551 ryanmkeane said:
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of holes on this roster. But at 6 if we took DT (a position that we look pretty solid at) over QB, ER, or OL, that would really be tough to swallow.



Kerry Wynn is one of our starting DEs

Oliver would replace Wynn as a 3-4 DE. The upgrade is MASSIVE.

Whatchu talking about?
Mayfield's accuracy  
JonC : 1/9/2019 2:05 pm : link
and ability to keep plays alive and read through his progressions are two big keys to his game.
RE: Ed Oliver  
SaqBar999 : 1/9/2019 2:06 pm : link
In comment 14255609 Phil in LA said:
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had 3 sacks this year. 3. Aaron Donald he ain't and the reason why so many first round DL's fail, is from teams projecting pass rush that never shows up. Any pundit saying he is like Aaron Donald hasn't looked at the numbers and is making a dangerous projection.



You don't judge a DT by Sack totals, and he also missed 4 games.

You judge a DT by how he disrupts the pocket.

Amazing I have to explain Football 101 to so many on here.
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