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Im reading more and more articles insinuating the Yankees are not really pursuing Machado or Harper at this point. Mostly that they are not willing to spend the money on them in a long term deal. Its pretty rare you see guys that young and that good in free agency. Are the Yankees out of the race/bidding war on them? And if so is it the right move? Its strange to be a Yankees fan and not see them willing to spend. Their rotation might be the biggest concern and they will need to pay Judge and Severino at some point, but can they compete with the Astros and Sox as is?
Who wants to win 100 games and not win the division.
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Word is, Machado camp still seeking 300M plus. ChiSox, Phillies not believed to be close to that ask (though exact current offers arent known, and can change). Meanwhile, Yanks, believed to be preferred destination, have yet to make official offer. Still no word of mystery team.
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The Players association has themselves to blame. They've rubber stamped increasing draconian revenue sharing and luxury tax in each successive CBA agreement. By doing so they were biting that hands that were feeding them, those hands being the Yankees, Red Sox and Dodgers.
theres actually a good article on Fangraphs posted today that basically shows that the extreme-large market teams are exploiting the latest CBA into increasing revenues than years before because of the so-called "concessions" they gave the small market teams by increasing the penalties of the luxury tax / limiting the amount the tax level raises year to year. In short the large market teams accepted much harsher penalties in regards to luxury tax in order to eliminate a "supplementary" revenue sharing plan that only the largest of the large market teams had to pay. Now the group of teams that had constituted the supplementary revenue sharing group have all gotten under the luxury tax threshold less the Red Sox so they are not affected by the increased penalties the latest CBA imposed and in return they get a much larger year to year gain on not having to contribute to the supplementary revenue sharing group that they had in the past.
A lot of dollars and cents in the article, but someway somehow at the end of the article through the manipulation of the system the Yankees now collect revenue sharing payments from the A's (although I still dont think I fully understand the article).
Fangraphs: As Revenue Sharing Money Heads Back to the Yankees - ( New Window )
It seems like it's all but official that Machado won't be a Yankee. It's a real shame because guys like that don't hit FA every year and there aren't many paths left to drastically improving the team this offseason.
Right,not adding a 26 year old superstar is a good move!SMFH
Yea great job passing on a stud like this when we were told for a few years this was the year they were going all out to sign Harper or Machado. Im sure people who spend good money on tickets want to watch Brett Gardner Aaron Hicks and Troy Tulowitzki replacement because that fragile guy who be on the 60 DL by may 15th Im sure people will be ecstatic to watch Cc start against the world champs in August.
Could also be saving bullets for some mid-season moves. It's not like the Yanks are going to struggle without Machado - this was a 100 win team already and can be better if Sevy doesn't have a swoon and Paxton gives us what we are hoping for.
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Looking forward to the Hold Your Breath right side of the Yankees infield for 2019!
At any moment Andujar could throw a ball into the upper deck. At the same time Tulo could rupture his achillies with any wrong step.
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Yea great job passing on a stud like this when we were told for a few years this was the year they were going all out to sign Harper or Machado. Im sure people who spend good money on tickets want to watch Brett Gardner Aaron Hicks and Troy Tulowitzki replacement because that fragile guy who be on the 60 DL by may 15th Im sure people will be ecstatic to watch Cc start against the world champs in August.
Hahahaha. You wrote all of that for nothing.
Hal is such a fucking douche bag. Ugh. Machado was the guy...
I know I'm just a spoiled Yankee fan, but I'm so disappointed.
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Yea great job passing on a stud like this when we were told for a few years this was the year they were going all out to sign Harper or Machado. Im sure people who spend good money on tickets want to watch Brett Gardner Aaron Hicks and Troy Tulowitzki replacement because that fragile guy who be on the 60 DL by may 15th Im sure people will be ecstatic to watch Cc start against the world champs in August.
This lie continues to be passed off as fact by fans- there was NO- repeat NO promise ever made by the Yanks that the Yanks would spend. Hal only said that the Yanks did not need a payroll over $200M to compete. He NEVER EVER promised that they would spend in FA.
That was an assumption by fans and media alike, who just assumed that this was going to lead to a spending spree.
I still think Machado should be signed, but no promise was EVER made by the team and people need to stop repeating this nonsense to justify their own desires.
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Yea great job passing on a stud like this when we were told for a few years this was the year they were going all out to sign Harper or Machado. Im sure people who spend good money on tickets want to watch Brett Gardner Aaron Hicks and Troy Tulowitzki replacement because that fragile guy who be on the 60 DL by may 15th Im sure people will be ecstatic to watch Cc start against the world champs in August.
This lie continues to be passed off as fact by fans- there was NO- repeat NO promise ever made by the Yanks that the Yanks would spend. Hal only said that the Yanks did not need a payroll over $200M to compete. He NEVER EVER promised that they would spend in FA.
That was an assumption by fans and media alike, who just assumed that this was going to lead to a spending spree.
I still think Machado should be signed, but no promise was EVER made by the team and people need to stop repeating this nonsense to justify their own desires.
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Yea great job passing on a stud like this when we were told for a few years this was the year they were going all out to sign Harper or Machado. Im sure people who spend good money on tickets want to watch Brett Gardner Aaron Hicks and Troy Tulowitzki replacement because that fragile guy who be on the 60 DL by may 15th Im sure people will be ecstatic to watch Cc start against the world champs in August.
This lie continues to be passed off as fact by fans- there was NO- repeat NO promise ever made by the Yanks that the Yanks would spend. Hal only said that the Yanks did not need a payroll over $200M to compete. He NEVER EVER promised that they would spend in FA.
That was an assumption by fans and media alike, who just assumed that this was going to lead to a spending spree.
I still think Machado should be signed, but no promise was EVER made by the team and people need to stop repeating this nonsense to justify their own desires.
Ok. I see now. You are one of the "the Yanks make money so they should spend it to satisfy me" sheep. No problem- won't engage with you any further. No point in lowering myself to that level.
Not saying I'm better, but you're acting like you're the Mother Teresa of Yankees fans. Very pompous.
What in my reponse warrented such a condescending response?
Dont like opposing viewpoints? The suggestion the Yanks were positioned to make these moves?
But please dont stoop to my level to respond...dont belittle yourself.
I didnt say the Yankees owe me anything. I said they have the resources to use an opportunity that doesnt present itself very often in MLB. Maybe I like it when my favorite baseball team signs the best baseball players.
But by all means, please ignore everything I say going forward. I wouldnt want you to lower your extremely high standards of discourse.
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Sorry Rich, but it has nothing to do about promises and assumptions, and everything to do with opportunity and resources. It doesnt matter to me what the media and fans thought do to the luxury tax goal. Its more about this. Very rarely do the talents like this but the free agent market at 26. And the Yankees are positioned better than anyone to add generational talent to an already loaded, but flawed roster. And it more and more looks like being very good and making money is more important to the ownership than winnering a championship.
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Yea great job passing on a stud like this when we were told for a few years this was the year they were going all out to sign Harper or Machado. Im sure people who spend good money on tickets want to watch Brett Gardner Aaron Hicks and Troy Tulowitzki replacement because that fragile guy who be on the 60 DL by may 15th Im sure people will be ecstatic to watch Cc start against the world champs in August.
This lie continues to be passed off as fact by fans- there was NO- repeat NO promise ever made by the Yanks that the Yanks would spend. Hal only said that the Yanks did not need a payroll over $200M to compete. He NEVER EVER promised that they would spend in FA.
That was an assumption by fans and media alike, who just assumed that this was going to lead to a spending spree.
I still think Machado should be signed, but no promise was EVER made by the team and people need to stop repeating this nonsense to justify their own desires.
Ok. I see now. You are one of the "the Yanks make money so they should spend it to satisfy me" sheep. No problem- won't engage with you any further. No point in lowering myself to that level.
Yanks dont really need starting pitching as much as they, along with many other teams, need that one HOF bad ass starting pitcher. Theres a difference. They have the staff to win 100 games again but we dont know if they have that guy for that one game. They didnt last Year.
A lot of offseason left...
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Calm the fuck down people.
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Calm the fuck down people.
Hes a reputable reporter, especially when it pertains to players of Dominican descent. He broke the Cano PED story and recently was ahead of Nelson Cruzs FA dealings.
That does not mean NYY is out on Machado because Cashman is a ninja... Let's see where this lands.
Not only that but he literally appears to have been brainwashed by Hal Steinbrenner and is outraged that an Yankee fan would be "stupid" enough to believe that Hal should invest some of the $600 million in annual revenue back into the team.
Rich, just do everyone a favor and stop polluting on these threads with your condescension and lengthy drivel.
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Calm the fuck down people.
Hes a reputable reporter, especially when it pertains to players of Dominican descent. He broke the Cano PED story and recently was ahead of Nelson Cruzs FA dealings.
Im not saying he isnt and, from what I can tell, neither is Greg.
What Im saying is simple, relax. People are literally here, on this thread arguing and getting bent out of shape about stuff theyre presuming will happen or shouldve happened by now. Its January 9th. No team in the league has made a blockbuster signing yet, unless you count Corbin (I dont).
It all just seems silly to me.
Its like hes related to Hal or something...
I am actually not too upset over this. I am still not happy Stantons on the team and of the belief that theyd be more aggressive in pursuing either Machado or Harper.
Agreed. The monotony of a hot stove season that was supposed to be one of the greatest ever has made people a little stir crazy.
I could see not aggressively pursuing him, or not signing him at any cost. I could see being outbid. But not even an offer, even if it were to pale in either years or total value compared to competitors? If that ends up being the case, it would be very disappointing.
I could see not aggressively pursuing him, or not signing him at any cost. I could see being outbid. But not even an offer, even if it were to pale in either years or total value compared to competitors? If that ends up being the case, it would be very disappointing.
This is exactly how I would feel. If someone pays him or Harper 400 million I wouldnt blame the Yankees for saying no way to matching it but if the Yankees just showed no interest in either of them it would be pretty worrisome about the future. That being said, a few reports are coming out that the Yankees are still in it on Machado so hope remains.
This is Scott Boras we're talking about. He has a pet national reporter, and a good working relationship with the remainder. It is absolutely not in his business interest to keep Yankee interest quiet. If there was any indication whatsoever they were in, it would have been trumpeted to the ends of the earth.