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mattyblue : 1/9/2019 9:00 am
I apologize if there is already an active discussion going, and if so I will gladly delete this.

Im reading more and more articles insinuating the Yankees are not really pursuing Machado or Harper at this point. Mostly that they are not willing to spend the money on them in a long term deal. Its pretty rare you see guys that young and that good in free agency. Are the Yankees out of the race/bidding war on them? And if so is it the right move? Its strange to be a Yankees fan and not see them willing to spend. Their rotation might be the biggest concern and they will need to pay Judge and Severino at some point, but can they compete with the Astros and Sox as is?
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no one is saying the Yanks suck...  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 1/9/2019 2:25 pm : link
they just don't match up with Houston and Boston right now.

Who wants to win 100 games and not win the division.
Machado update (sort of) from Heyman  
Strahan91 : 1/9/2019 2:27 pm : link
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Word is, Machado camp still seeking 300M plus. ChiSox, Phillies not believed to be close to that ask (though exact current offers arent known, and can change). Meanwhile, Yanks, believed to be preferred destination, have yet to make official offer. Still no word of mystery team.

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I doubt we're getting a strike  
Ron from Ninerland : 1/9/2019 2:34 pm : link
You can cherry pick statistics all you want, but player salaries as taken as an average among all MLB players have gone nowhere but up. As long as that's the case there won't be support for a strike because a handful of free agents couldn't get $300 million. I suspect the players are more concerned that mid tier players like Todd Frazier and Steven Drew couldn't get a single offer but even that caused no talk of a strike.

The Players association has themselves to blame. They've rubber stamped increasing draconian revenue sharing and luxury tax in each successive CBA agreement. By doing so they were biting that hands that were feeding them, those hands being the Yankees, Red Sox and Dodgers.
RE: I doubt we're getting a strike  
Steve in Greenwich : 1/9/2019 5:06 pm : link
In comment 14255714 Ron from Ninerland said:
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The Players association has themselves to blame. They've rubber stamped increasing draconian revenue sharing and luxury tax in each successive CBA agreement. By doing so they were biting that hands that were feeding them, those hands being the Yankees, Red Sox and Dodgers.

theres actually a good article on Fangraphs posted today that basically shows that the extreme-large market teams are exploiting the latest CBA into increasing revenues than years before because of the so-called "concessions" they gave the small market teams by increasing the penalties of the luxury tax / limiting the amount the tax level raises year to year. In short the large market teams accepted much harsher penalties in regards to luxury tax in order to eliminate a "supplementary" revenue sharing plan that only the largest of the large market teams had to pay. Now the group of teams that had constituted the supplementary revenue sharing group have all gotten under the luxury tax threshold less the Red Sox so they are not affected by the increased penalties the latest CBA imposed and in return they get a much larger year to year gain on not having to contribute to the supplementary revenue sharing group that they had in the past.

A lot of dollars and cents in the article, but someway somehow at the end of the article through the manipulation of the system the Yankees now collect revenue sharing payments from the A's (although I still dont think I fully understand the article).
Fangraphs: As Revenue Sharing Money Heads Back to the Yankees - ( New Window )
Hector Gomez(mlb network?)  
BeckShepEli : 1/9/2019 6:37 pm : link
Saying that Machado race is down to Phillies and White Sox and Yankees are out. Heyman said that the Yanks didnt even offer a contract
RE: Hector Gomez(mlb network?)  
Strahan91 : 1/9/2019 6:43 pm : link
In comment 14255968 BeckShepEli said:
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Saying that Machado race is down to Phillies and White Sox and Yankees are out. Heyman said that the Yanks didnt even offer a contract

It seems like it's all but official that Machado won't be a Yankee. It's a real shame because guys like that don't hit FA every year and there aren't many paths left to drastically improving the team this offseason.
Great job by the Yanks if true.  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/9/2019 6:47 pm : link
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I can't see why that would be a great job  
illmatic : 1/9/2019 6:48 pm : link
by the Yanks to pass on Machado. Unless you really hate the potential drama he would bring to the team by being on it.
RE: Great job by the Yanks if true.  
TheMick7 : 1/9/2019 6:56 pm : link
In comment 14255982 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Right,not adding a 26 year old superstar is a good move!SMFH
It's called sarcasm, fellas.  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/9/2019 6:57 pm : link
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RE: Great job by the Yanks if true.  
GiantsGorilla1980s : 1/9/2019 6:58 pm : link
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Yea great job passing on a stud like this when we were told for a few years this was the year they were going all out to sign Harper or Machado. Im sure people who spend good money on tickets want to watch Brett Gardner Aaron Hicks and Troy Tulowitzki replacement because that fragile guy who be on the 60 DL by may 15th Im sure people will be ecstatic to watch Cc start against the world champs in August.
It's hard to tell these days  
illmatic : 1/9/2019 6:59 pm : link
when a good chunk of baseball fans, including Yankee fans, can't stand Machado.
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arcarsenal : 1/9/2019 7:03 pm : link
Disappointing if they're not going to be in on Machado or Harper. I was pretty convinced it was just a matter of time on Machado, but I guess it's just not a fit right now unless they move Andujar and perhaps they don't want to do that.

Could also be saving bullets for some mid-season moves. It's not like the Yanks are going to struggle without Machado - this was a 100 win team already and can be better if Sevy doesn't have a swoon and Paxton gives us what we are hoping for.
This sums up my feelings well  
Strahan91 : 1/9/2019 7:03 pm : link
Eric Hubbs
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Looking forward to the Hold Your Breath right side of the Yankees infield for 2019!

At any moment Andujar could throw a ball into the upper deck. At the same time Tulo could rupture his achillies with any wrong step.
RE: RE: Great job by the Yanks if true.  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/9/2019 7:03 pm : link
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Yea great job passing on a stud like this when we were told for a few years this was the year they were going all out to sign Harper or Machado. Im sure people who spend good money on tickets want to watch Brett Gardner Aaron Hicks and Troy Tulowitzki replacement because that fragile guy who be on the 60 DL by may 15th Im sure people will be ecstatic to watch Cc start against the world champs in August.


Hahahaha. You wrote all of that for nothing.
Shaping up to be  
bceagle05 : 1/9/2019 7:07 pm : link
the third best team in the American League yet again.
If the numbers are absurd, I guess I can get behind not making any...  
LarmerTJR : 1/9/2019 7:11 pm : link
Moves for Harper, Machado, and Corbin. But my concern is that they arent even really trying, or at least thats how it seems...
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adamg : 1/9/2019 7:15 pm : link
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the third best team in the American League yet again.


Hal is such a fucking douche bag. Ugh. Machado was the guy...

I know I'm just a spoiled Yankee fan, but I'm so disappointed.
RE: RE: Great job by the Yanks if true.  
rich in DC : 1/9/2019 7:19 pm : link
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Yea great job passing on a stud like this when we were told for a few years this was the year they were going all out to sign Harper or Machado. Im sure people who spend good money on tickets want to watch Brett Gardner Aaron Hicks and Troy Tulowitzki replacement because that fragile guy who be on the 60 DL by may 15th Im sure people will be ecstatic to watch Cc start against the world champs in August.


This lie continues to be passed off as fact by fans- there was NO- repeat NO promise ever made by the Yanks that the Yanks would spend. Hal only said that the Yanks did not need a payroll over $200M to compete. He NEVER EVER promised that they would spend in FA.

That was an assumption by fans and media alike, who just assumed that this was going to lead to a spending spree.

I still think Machado should be signed, but no promise was EVER made by the team and people need to stop repeating this nonsense to justify their own desires.
I have no idea who Hector Gomez is  
Greg from LI : 1/9/2019 7:24 pm : link
We'll see what happens
RE: RE: RE: Great job by the Yanks if true.  
LarmerTJR : 1/9/2019 7:24 pm : link
Sorry Rich, but it has nothing to do about promises and assumptions, and everything to do with opportunity and resources. It doesnt matter to me what the media and fans thought do to the luxury tax goal. Its more about this. Very rarely do the talents like this but the free agent market at 26. And the Yankees are positioned better than anyone to add generational talent to an already loaded, but flawed roster. And it more and more looks like being very good and making money is more important to the ownership than winnering a championship.



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Yea great job passing on a stud like this when we were told for a few years this was the year they were going all out to sign Harper or Machado. Im sure people who spend good money on tickets want to watch Brett Gardner Aaron Hicks and Troy Tulowitzki replacement because that fragile guy who be on the 60 DL by may 15th Im sure people will be ecstatic to watch Cc start against the world champs in August.



This lie continues to be passed off as fact by fans- there was NO- repeat NO promise ever made by the Yanks that the Yanks would spend. Hal only said that the Yanks did not need a payroll over $200M to compete. He NEVER EVER promised that they would spend in FA.

That was an assumption by fans and media alike, who just assumed that this was going to lead to a spending spree.

I still think Machado should be signed, but no promise was EVER made by the team and people need to stop repeating this nonsense to justify their own desires.
I also think this is a bad showing  
mattyblue : 1/9/2019 7:25 pm : link
for the Yankees. Not pursuing either one and, if true, not even making an offer?
if Harper goes back to the Nats  
RasputinPrime : 1/9/2019 7:34 pm : link
and Machado to the Phillies without the Yankees making an offer to either, i'm going to be pissed off. I don't think we needed either of them but failing to compete for elite talent is beyond absurd. Much like their being too late to the IFA party.
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rich in DC : 1/9/2019 7:37 pm : link
In comment 14256026 LarmerTJR said:
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Sorry Rich, but it has nothing to do about promises and assumptions, and everything to do with opportunity and resources. It doesnt matter to me what the media and fans thought do to the luxury tax goal. Its more about this. Very rarely do the talents like this but the free agent market at 26. And the Yankees are positioned better than anyone to add generational talent to an already loaded, but flawed roster. And it more and more looks like being very good and making money is more important to the ownership than winnering a championship.



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Yea great job passing on a stud like this when we were told for a few years this was the year they were going all out to sign Harper or Machado. Im sure people who spend good money on tickets want to watch Brett Gardner Aaron Hicks and Troy Tulowitzki replacement because that fragile guy who be on the 60 DL by may 15th Im sure people will be ecstatic to watch Cc start against the world champs in August.



This lie continues to be passed off as fact by fans- there was NO- repeat NO promise ever made by the Yanks that the Yanks would spend. Hal only said that the Yanks did not need a payroll over $200M to compete. He NEVER EVER promised that they would spend in FA.

That was an assumption by fans and media alike, who just assumed that this was going to lead to a spending spree.

I still think Machado should be signed, but no promise was EVER made by the team and people need to stop repeating this nonsense to justify their own desires.



Ok. I see now. You are one of the "the Yanks make money so they should spend it to satisfy me" sheep. No problem- won't engage with you any further. No point in lowering myself to that level.
No offense rich  
adamg : 1/9/2019 7:41 pm : link
but the way you talk to people, you're already at a certain level.

Not saying I'm better, but you're acting like you're the Mother Teresa of Yankees fans. Very pompous.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Great job by the Yanks if true.  
LarmerTJR : 1/9/2019 7:50 pm : link
Rich

What in my reponse warrented such a condescending response?

Dont like opposing viewpoints? The suggestion the Yanks were positioned to make these moves?

But please dont stoop to my level to respond...dont belittle yourself.

I didnt say the Yankees owe me anything. I said they have the resources to use an opportunity that doesnt present itself very often in MLB. Maybe I like it when my favorite baseball team signs the best baseball players.

But by all means, please ignore everything I say going forward. I wouldnt want you to lower your extremely high standards of discourse.


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Sorry Rich, but it has nothing to do about promises and assumptions, and everything to do with opportunity and resources. It doesnt matter to me what the media and fans thought do to the luxury tax goal. Its more about this. Very rarely do the talents like this but the free agent market at 26. And the Yankees are positioned better than anyone to add generational talent to an already loaded, but flawed roster. And it more and more looks like being very good and making money is more important to the ownership than winnering a championship.



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Yea great job passing on a stud like this when we were told for a few years this was the year they were going all out to sign Harper or Machado. Im sure people who spend good money on tickets want to watch Brett Gardner Aaron Hicks and Troy Tulowitzki replacement because that fragile guy who be on the 60 DL by may 15th Im sure people will be ecstatic to watch Cc start against the world champs in August.



This lie continues to be passed off as fact by fans- there was NO- repeat NO promise ever made by the Yanks that the Yanks would spend. Hal only said that the Yanks did not need a payroll over $200M to compete. He NEVER EVER promised that they would spend in FA.

That was an assumption by fans and media alike, who just assumed that this was going to lead to a spending spree.

I still think Machado should be signed, but no promise was EVER made by the team and people need to stop repeating this nonsense to justify their own desires.





Ok. I see now. You are one of the "the Yanks make money so they should spend it to satisfy me" sheep. No problem- won't engage with you any further. No point in lowering myself to that level.
Lowering yourself to that  
mattyblue : 1/9/2019 7:55 pm : link
level Rich? You are on a message board for NY Giants football fans what elite level do you believe yourself to be on?
RE: Yankees need pitching!!!!!  
djm : 1/9/2019 9:10 pm : link
In comment 14255156 GMAN4LIFE said:
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Starting pitching!!!!!!


Yanks dont really need starting pitching as much as they, along with many other teams, need that one HOF bad ass starting pitcher. Theres a difference. They have the staff to win 100 games again but we dont know if they have that guy for that one game. They didnt last Year.

A lot of offseason left...
RE: I have no idea who Hector Gomez is  
Hsilwek92 : 1/9/2019 9:47 pm : link
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We'll see what happens


This

Calm the fuck down people.
RE: RE: I have no idea who Hector Gomez is  
Strahan91 : 1/9/2019 10:03 pm : link
In comment 14256188 Hsilwek92 said:
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We'll see what happens



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Calm the fuck down people.

Hes a reputable reporter, especially when it pertains to players of Dominican descent. He broke the Cano PED story and recently was ahead of Nelson Cruzs FA dealings.
Hector Gomez -  
JPinstripes : 1/9/2019 10:04 pm : link
I would not simply disregard this guy as fake news, he is connected to the Latino sports community.

That does not mean NYY is out on Machado because Cashman is a ninja... Let's see where this lands.
Rich in DC...  
Tesla : 1/9/2019 10:10 pm : link
consistently comes across as an asshole on these threads. What's hilarious is the he fancies himself some kind of Yankee "intellectual" when in reality he's an absolute moron.

Not only that but he literally appears to have been brainwashed by Hal Steinbrenner and is outraged that an Yankee fan would be "stupid" enough to believe that Hal should invest some of the $600 million in annual revenue back into the team.

Rich, just do everyone a favor and stop polluting on these threads with your condescension and lengthy drivel.
RE: RE: RE: I have no idea who Hector Gomez is  
Hsilwek92 : 1/9/2019 10:24 pm : link
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We'll see what happens



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Calm the fuck down people.


Hes a reputable reporter, especially when it pertains to players of Dominican descent. He broke the Cano PED story and recently was ahead of Nelson Cruzs FA dealings.


Im not saying he isnt and, from what I can tell, neither is Greg.

What Im saying is simple, relax. People are literally here, on this thread arguing and getting bent out of shape about stuff theyre presuming will happen or shouldve happened by now. Its January 9th. No team in the league has made a blockbuster signing yet, unless you count Corbin (I dont).

It all just seems silly to me.

You know, I think you could make a  
Hsilwek92 : 1/9/2019 10:31 pm : link
Realmutos name has been talked about more this offseason than Machado and Harper.
You know, I think you could make a solid argument  
Hsilwek92 : 1/9/2019 10:33 pm : link
is what that should have said
Machado looking for Stanton numbers $300m plus  
GFAN52 : 1/9/2019 10:35 pm : link
No way Hal authorizes going that high.
Gentlemen  
Phil in LA : 1/9/2019 10:40 pm : link
this offseason has grown long, with no Giant playoffs, or competitve Knicks or Rangers. But, it is time only for comiseration because we're in the same boat, not sniping at each other. Yanks probably aren't done.
Haha, it seems weird that a fan would be despondent over the other  
Jim in Hoboken : 1/9/2019 10:42 pm : link
fans reaction over the teams perceived lack of total commitment to winning at all costs.

Its like hes related to Hal or something...

I am actually not too upset over this. I am still not happy Stantons on the team and of the belief that theyd be more aggressive in pursuing either Machado or Harper.
RE: Gentlemen  
Hsilwek92 : 1/9/2019 10:47 pm : link
In comment 14256246 Phil in LA said:
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this offseason has grown long, with no Giant playoffs, or competitve Knicks or Rangers. But, it is time only for comiseration because we're in the same boat, not sniping at each other. Yanks probably aren't done.


Agreed. The monotony of a hot stove season that was supposed to be one of the greatest ever has made people a little stir crazy.
Just remember  
Hsilwek92 : 1/9/2019 10:50 pm : link
Mark Teixeiras signing came out of no where.
I'll take Stanton  
JPinstripes : 1/9/2019 10:52 pm : link
over both Harper or Machado on my team anytime.
They got ARod on Valentine's weekend  
Phil in LA : 1/9/2019 10:58 pm : link
after saying "Enrique Wilson is our Third Baseman." We've also been told "Bubba Crosby is our CF" and "Nick Swisher is our 1B." None of that turned out to be true. So be patient, as long as players are unsigned, the Yanks are still in play.
The concerning part is Heyman saying the Yanks didn't even  
jcn56 : 1/9/2019 11:29 pm : link
offer a contract.

I could see not aggressively pursuing him, or not signing him at any cost. I could see being outbid. But not even an offer, even if it were to pale in either years or total value compared to competitors? If that ends up being the case, it would be very disappointing.
Well, to be fair  
illmatic : 1/9/2019 11:32 pm : link
most reports are saying the White Sox are the only team to have offered him a contract so far. Or maybe Philly did very recently. The Yanks just might want to see what those two offer him first before matching or coming close to it with their own contract. I'll wait until both Machado and Harper sign elsewhere before getting pissed with Hal and the front office.
RE: The concerning part is Heyman saying the Yanks didn't even  
mattyblue : 1/10/2019 12:57 am : link
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offer a contract.

I could see not aggressively pursuing him, or not signing him at any cost. I could see being outbid. But not even an offer, even if it were to pale in either years or total value compared to competitors? If that ends up being the case, it would be very disappointing.


This is exactly how I would feel. If someone pays him or Harper 400 million I wouldnt blame the Yankees for saying no way to matching it but if the Yankees just showed no interest in either of them it would be pretty worrisome about the future. That being said, a few reports are coming out that the Yankees are still in it on Machado so hope remains.
As several others have said  
Mike from SI : 1/10/2019 1:30 am : link
let's wait to see how things play out before we get all pissed.
Not for the nothing...  
Milton : 1/10/2019 2:25 am : link
But this all fits with my belief that Machado has been a red herring all along and that Harper is the true target.
Could the team also be practicing  
Beer Man : 1/10/2019 6:17 am : link
a little restraint and common sense. A few years ago this team could barley compete as they had too many old, often injured fading stars starting. At the time the team was handcuffed with what they could do because of the obscene contracts they had handed out to players like ARod, CC, Tex, Jacoby, etc. I think they will stay away from the 10 year mega-deals.
Andy Martino tweet late last night  
Strahan91 : 1/10/2019 7:47 am : link
Yankees haven't been very engaged on Machado since New Years, per multiple sources, but here's the thing: It's hard to get an offer from Cashman but when he strikes he strikes quickly, aggressively. Regardless of how this looks like it's going, I'm not ready to believe its over
RE: Not for the nothing...  
Dunedin81 : 1/10/2019 8:23 am : link
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But this all fits with my belief that Machado has been a red herring all along and that Harper is the true target.


This is Scott Boras we're talking about. He has a pet national reporter, and a good working relationship with the remainder. It is absolutely not in his business interest to keep Yankee interest quiet. If there was any indication whatsoever they were in, it would have been trumpeted to the ends of the earth.
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