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Anakim : 1/9/2019 10:47 am
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New York and Sacramento discussing an Enes Kanter-Zach Randolph trade of expiring contracts, but nothing close yet, league sources tell ESPN. Kings would want to send out more expirings in a deal. Kanter is out of rotation and wants chance to play. A third team could be helpful.
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If Randolph gets traded back to New York,  
Anakim : 1/9/2019 10:49 am : link
We must have a "I'm Coming Home" montage
Kanter's out of the rotation? Not exactly, Woj.  
bceagle05 : 1/9/2019 10:53 am : link
He might get more minutes here than in Sacramento. Anyway, throw Courtney Lee into one of Kanter's suitcases.
RE: Kanter's out of the rotation? Not exactly, Woj.  
Anakim : 1/9/2019 10:54 am : link
In comment 14255248 bceagle05 said:
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He might get more minutes here than in Sacramento. Anyway, throw Courtney Lee into one of Kanter's suitcases.



Haha, he deleted his original tweet for that reason and tweeted:

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New York and Sacramento discussing an Enes Kanter-Zach Randolph trade of expiring contracts, but nothing close yet, league sources tell ESPN. Kings would want to send out more expirings in a deal. A third team could be helpful.
This keeps getting better and better  
ghost718 : 1/9/2019 10:57 am : link
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"Kanter is out of rotation "  
Enzo : 1/9/2019 10:58 am : link
huh?

Regardless, if it's just Kanter for Z-Bo you're just giving Kanter away for nothing, but you do get to clear the difference between their salaries (about $7 million)...which then gives us the opportunity to absorb a contract at the deadline from a team looking to cut their tax bill or whatever. In short, this might be an opportunity to grab an extra second round pick or two, or a contender's crappy first rounder.
What would the purpose of this deal be?  
Strahan91 : 1/9/2019 10:58 am : link
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Knicks Legend: The Teletubby  
Anakim : 1/9/2019 10:58 am : link
RE: What would the purpose of this deal be?  
Pep22 : 1/9/2019 11:02 am : link
In comment 14255261 Strahan91 said:
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The purpose for Sacto would be to add a rotational BIG.

The purpose for NYK would be a) to free up more minutes for Robinson, Kornet b) another tank move c) probably get some young asset i.e. Frank Mason or a 2nd rounder.
Feelin' nostalgic here, fellas  
Anakim : 1/9/2019 11:04 am : link
WITH A TEAR...IN MY EYE
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Shumpert's another expiring contract they want to move, I'm sure.  
bceagle05 : 1/9/2019 11:08 am : link
He makes $11 million.
RE: RE: What would the purpose of this deal be?  
Really : 1/9/2019 11:08 am : link
In comment 14255269 Pep22 said:
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The purpose for Sacto would be to add a rotational BIG.

The purpose for NYK would be a) to free up more minutes for Robinson, Kornet b) another tank move c) probably get some young asset i.e. Frank Mason or a 2nd rounder.


I also think they could potentially flip Z Bo's expiring
RE: Shumpert's another expiring contract they want to move, I'm sure.  
Enzo : 1/9/2019 11:10 am : link
In comment 14255275 bceagle05 said:
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He makes $11 million.

he's actually in their rotation and playing well (for him) this year.
Ah, my mistake. Didn't realize Shump was playing.  
bceagle05 : 1/9/2019 11:12 am : link
I should check out a few more Sacramento games - must be a fairly entertaining team.
Agreed, Koufos may be the better expiring  
Really : 1/9/2019 11:12 am : link
No way Vlade gives up on Justin Jackson, right??
here's something bigger:  
Enzo : 1/9/2019 11:14 am : link
Kanter/Lee/Burke for Zach/Koufos/McLemore.

Upside for Kings is that they add 3 potential rotation guys for 3 guys that barely play for them. Downside is obviously they take on Lee's contract for next season.
How many fucking bigs do the Kings need?  
dep026 : 1/9/2019 11:16 am : link
WCS
Bagley
Koustas
Giles
Skal
Kanter..

jesus christ, they dont have a clue.
RE: How many fucking bigs do the Kings need?  
Strahan91 : 1/9/2019 11:24 am : link
In comment 14255298 dep026 said:
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WCS
Bagley
Koustas
Giles
Skal
Kanter..

jesus christ, they dont have a clue.

This. This is why I asked what the point of the deal was. Its a wash for Knicks and the Kings have no need for Kanter.
Giles is in the G-league  
Really : 1/9/2019 11:30 am : link
Theyre looking to make the playoffs. Kanter is a band aid.

Also, youre assuming Vlade knows what hes doing.
RE: Agreed, Koufos may be the better expiring  
Anakim : 1/9/2019 11:31 am : link
In comment 14255289 Really said:
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No way Vlade gives up on Justin Jackson, right??


Hell I'd take a flier on Skal or Giles
RE: Giles is in the G-league  
dep026 : 1/9/2019 11:32 am : link
In comment 14255322 Really said:
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Theyre looking to make the playoffs. Kanter is a band aid.

Also, youre assuming Vlade knows what hes doing.


Giles is already back in the NBA. Has played the last 3 games.
RE: RE: Giles is in the G-league  
Really : 1/9/2019 11:40 am : link
In comment 14255325 dep026 said:
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Theyre looking to make the playoffs. Kanter is a band aid.

Also, youre assuming Vlade knows what hes doing.



Giles is already back in the NBA. Has played the last 3 games.


Maybe they don't think he's ready? Trying to be optimistic lol
I wonder if patience with Giles and/or Skal  
Pep22 : 1/9/2019 11:40 am : link
is running thin on Sacto's part.
if the Kings are truly  
Enzo : 1/9/2019 11:45 am : link
trying to make a push for the playoffs (not a bad idea considering they don't have their first rounder this year), it's not unreasonable to think they may want to bring in a vet big like Kanter (or anyone else out there) to play 20-25 mins a game instead of guys who lack experience.
.Did you see the move Isaiah pulled off?  
Bogey : 1/9/2019 11:50 am : link
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I wonder if Sacramento will actually land a free agent  
bceagle05 : 1/9/2019 12:03 pm : link
of some significance. They have about $60 million in cap space and some good young pieces. I know Sacramento isn't a popular free agent destination, but it was a great basketball town in the CWebb/Bibby days. It would be fun if they got back in the mix again.
These reminders of Randolph, Marbury and Isiah  
bceagle05 : 1/9/2019 12:04 pm : link
are giving me cold shivers. What a train wreck these past 20 years have been.
Here is the trade to make  
GMEN46 : 1/9/2019 12:15 pm : link
Kanter and Lee plus a 2nd rounder for Randolph and SHump expiring. Its worth getting rid of a 2nd rounder to get rid of lee
RE: Here is the trade to make  
Anakim : 1/9/2019 12:18 pm : link
In comment 14255415 GMEN46 said:
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Kanter and Lee plus a 2nd rounder for Randolph and SHump expiring. Its worth getting rid of a 2nd rounder to get rid of lee


Someone stated above that Shump is actually playing well this year (for him). I don't know why they would trade Shump if they're going to make a push for the playoffs.
RE: I wonder if Sacramento will actually land a free agent  
Strahan91 : 1/9/2019 12:35 pm : link
In comment 14255379 bceagle05 said:
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of some significance. They have about $60 million in cap space and some good young pieces. I know Sacramento isn't a popular free agent destination, but it was a great basketball town in the CWebb/Bibby days. It would be fun if they got back in the mix again.

I can't see it unless they give a max to a guy that otherwise wasn't going to get one. Ever since Ranadiv bought the team, it seems like things have been a mess over there. They have some interesting pieces and Fox is a stud but he's not the type of transcendent player that makes guys ignore the other stuff with an organization. They're also not in a city/market that I would think would be of all that much interest to a big FA.
Playing with trade machine, I come up with the following  
Pep22 : 1/9/2019 12:43 pm : link
NYK Gives:

Kanter
Lee
Ntilikina

NYK Gets:

Randolph (will be released)
Koufos (will be released)
Mason
NYK choice of Labasierre, Giles or Jackson

Yes, it means they're giving up on Ntilikina but they replace some youth with Mason plus the choice of SL, HG or JJ plus you add 12mm to next year's FA budget.
Unless the Knicks  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 1/9/2019 1:03 pm : link
are getting back a pick in return. I don't really see the point of a Kanter-Randolph swap?
i dont get it from a kings point of view  
nygiants16 : 1/9/2019 1:06 pm : link
unless vlade is trading for kanter to set him up for hedo, but woj does not really report rumors, usually deals that are close he reports
RE: Unless the Knicks  
Pep22 : 1/9/2019 1:17 pm : link
In comment 14255525 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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are getting back a pick in return. I don't really see the point of a Kanter-Randolph swap?


correct, the key reason would be a young asset to accompany Zach
RE: Playing with trade machine, I come up with the following  
Earl the goat : 1/9/2019 3:06 pm : link
In comment 14255477 Pep22 said:
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NYK Gives:

Kanter
Lee
Ntilikina

NYK Gets:

Randolph (will be released)
Koufos (will be released)
Mason
NYK choice of Labasierre, Giles or Jackson

Yes, it means they're giving up on Ntilikina but they replace some youth with Mason plus the choice of SL, HG or JJ plus you add 12mm to next year's FA budget.


Thats a great trade. And Id take Harry Giles in a heartbeat Hes got the most upside
Bondy  
DanMetroMan : 1/9/2019 3:13 pm : link
The Knicks and Enes Kanter are getting closer to a mutual divorce.

New York is discussing a deal to send Kanter to the Kings for former Knick Zach Randolph, as ESPN reported. However, a source told the Daily News its very early in the negotiations. In other words, nothing is imminent.

Both players are in the final year of their contracts and, on the surface, a deal for the Knicks makes little sense without a sweetener coming back like a future second-round pick.

Randolph, 37, who hasnt played at all this season for Sacramento, has no place on the Knicks roster and doesn't fit the direction of the team. They might as well just buy out Kanter and free up a roster spot.

But the Knicks could also save a couple million dollars in the deal, depending on what other player they receive. Thats certainly an incentive. Kanter is making $18.6 million this season, compared to Randolphs $11.6 million. ESPN reported that the Kings, who are pushing for the playoffs, want to add additional expiring deals to even out the money, perhaps by recruiting a third team.
If it is not close at all  
nygiants16 : 1/9/2019 3:33 pm : link
i am surprised woj reported it
RE: If it is not close at all  
Strahan91 : 1/9/2019 3:34 pm : link
In comment 14255799 nygiants16 said:
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i am surprised woj reported it

There's probably a reason for that. What that reason is, I'm not sure we'll ever know. Rumors reported by Woj typically have some agenda as a favor for a team or agent in exchange for scoops.
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nygiants16 : 1/9/2019 3:39 pm : link
In comment 14255801 Strahan91 said:
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i am surprised woj reported it


There's probably a reason for that. What that reason is, I'm not sure we'll ever know. Rumors reported by Woj typically have some agenda as a favor for a team or agent in exchange for scoops.


i agree, but most of the time when it comes to trades he doesnt report unless it is close..

RE: here's something bigger:  
Jon in NYC : 1/9/2019 3:51 pm : link
In comment 14255291 Enzo said:
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Kanter/Lee/Burke for Zach/Koufos/McLemore.

Upside for Kings is that they add 3 potential rotation guys for 3 guys that barely play for them. Downside is obviously they take on Lee's contract for next season.


This makes the most sense for both sides. As you said, Kings improve at 3 spots and only have to take on 11Mil next year for a player that will still be in their rotation.
RE: .Did you see the move Isaiah pulled off?  
Greg from LI : 1/9/2019 4:08 pm : link
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That is a FORMIDABLE front line!

hahahaha....oh dear god why do I still bother with this team?
My guess is Randolph is being brought in to school Robinson  
GeofromNJ : 1/10/2019 12:16 am : link
If so, makes sense. I always liked Randolph's game. Kornet is not a center. He's simply a long range shooter.
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That was always the case  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/10/2019 1:58 pm : link
But "Will KP re-sign with the Knicks" is a sexier story.

The NBA CBA makes it a very difficult choice for players to leave their original teams.
Who is pushing this Spurs are interested story?  
Really : 1/10/2019 2:03 pm : link
It makes so little sense. I feel like if it was Janis, the whole industry would know?
RE: Who is pushing this Spurs are interested story?  
nygiants16 : 1/10/2019 2:18 pm : link
In comment 14256972 Really said:
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It makes so little sense. I feel like if it was Janis, the whole industry would know?


I think it is a made up story by bondy to generate clicks, it is what the dailynews does
RE: RE: Who is pushing this Spurs are interested story?  
Anakim : 1/10/2019 2:22 pm : link
In comment 14257003 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 14256972 Really said:


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It makes so little sense. I feel like if it was Janis, the whole industry would know?



I think it is a made up story by bondy to generate clicks, it is what the dailynews does


Probably, or he was just adding 2 and 2 together because KP seems like the ultimate Pops player.
Preach!  
DanMetroMan : 1/10/2019 2:23 pm : link
ESPNs Adrian Wojnarowski reported on Wednesday that the Kings and Knicks are discussing a trade centering around Enes Kanter and Zach Randolph. According to Wojnarowski, the two sides arent currently close to completing a deal, as the Kings would prefer to part with additional expiring contracts.

A swap of Kanter for Randolph would be a cap-neutral move for New York. Although it would save owner Jim Dolan some money this year, contracts for both players expire at the end of this season. Thus, it wouldnt help the Knicks clear any additional cap space for 2019-20 and beyond.

However, since the two teams are already engaged in trade conversations, New York should undoubtedly gauge Sacramentos interest in Tim Hardaway Jr. and Courtney Lee.

The Kings already have a pair of quality wing scorers on their roster in Buddy Hield and Bogdan Bogdanovic. Yet, the presence of these two sharpshooters did not stop Sacramento from signing Chicago Bulls restricted free agent Zach LaVine to a four-year, $78 million offer sheet back in July. The Bulls ended up matching the Kings offer, and LaVine remained in the Windy City. The Kings ended up signing Yogi Ferrell to a two-year $6.2 million pact later in July. However, Ferrell hasnt lived up to expectations in Sacramento, as hes averaging 5.8 points in 13.6 minutes. Hes also been a liability defensively. Of all rotation regulars, Ferrell has the lowest Net Rating on the team.
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Anakim : 1/10/2019 3:33 pm : link
keep tanking  
spike : 1/10/2019 5:08 pm : link
Zion to the NYK.
Ja  
Jon in NYC : 1/10/2019 5:13 pm : link
up to 4 is interesting. I really think he could be the guy anywhere from 3 on.
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