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Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2019 3:26 pm
Eric Kennedy of BigBlueInteractive.com and Greg Breton of the ManCave Huddle join YES Network’s Chris Shearn on his latest “And…We’re Off” podcast. We talk about the end results of the team’s disappointing 2018 season and discuss, in detail, the end-of-the-season press conferences by Head Coach Pat Shurmur and General Manager Dave Gettleman. We also speculate on what direction the New York Giants may go in the 2019 NFL Draft.
January 9, 2019 YES Network Podcast With Big Blue Interactive - ( New Window )
Eric  
Go Terps : 1/9/2019 4:13 pm : link
You make a great point on the podcast bringing up the Parcells quote, (paraphrasing) "You have to start each year at the beginning, not where you left off the previous year."

This should be considered when people talk about the "second half improvement" and "build up the lines and then get the quarterback".

It just doesn't work that way.
RE: Eric  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2019 4:34 pm : link
In comment 14255852 Go Terps said:
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You make a great point on the podcast bringing up the Parcells quote, (paraphrasing) "You have to start each year at the beginning, not where you left off the previous year."

This should be considered when people talk about the "second half improvement" and "build up the lines and then get the quarterback".

It just doesn't work that way.


That Parcells quote always stuck with me. He made it after the 1987 season.
It's a troubling quote  
Go Terps : 1/9/2019 4:44 pm : link
Consider the message we got from the current HC and GM at the end of the season. 2017 was referenced many times, as was carrying momentum into 2019.
RE: Eric  
robbieballs2003 : 1/9/2019 4:46 pm : link
In comment 14255852 Go Terps said:
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You make a great point on the podcast bringing up the Parcells quote, (paraphrasing) "You have to start each year at the beginning, not where you left off the previous year."

This should be considered when people talk about the "second half improvement" and "build up the lines and then get the quarterback".

It just doesn't work that way.


Not sure what you are talking about with "build up the lines and then get the quarterback". How does that relate to the quote.

When Parcells said what he said it means don't assume that you can start off next year with where you left off with respect to the scheme. Don't assume what you did well last year will be what you do well the next year. It means install every component of the offensive and defensive scheme from scratch as well as fundamemtals. Don't skip those steps.
GoTerps  
robbieballs2003 : 1/9/2019 4:51 pm : link
I think you are totally misinterpreting what the quote means.

Every coach wants to end a season well for that to carry over. What is being talked about with respect to carrying over was the buy in, the hard work, the sense that this team can win, etc.

What you want to start from scratch with is the basics, fundamentals, the scheme, etc. Of course they want to carry over the culture and hiw this team bought in.

McAdoo said the same thing as you and it was a colossal failure. These are just words. They mean nothing unless it is backed up.
RE: Eric  
Diversify yo bonds : 1/9/2019 4:51 pm : link
In comment 14255852 Go Terps said:
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You make a great point on the podcast bringing up the Parcells quote, (paraphrasing) "You have to start each year at the beginning, not where you left off the previous year."



Cannot be stated enough.
Fans fall into this fallacy every off-season, that the strengths will remain strong and if we just address "x" the team will improve. Never works out that way.

The majority of the site counted on the 2016 defense to remain dominant in 2017 (we only lost Hankins) how'd that work out?

Or that the 2007 pass rush would remain dominant in 08.

"Conrad Hamilton looks great and next year we get Sehorn back with Sparks!" Oops

"as long as we have Cruz and Nicks we can compete, have to find a way to keep both"

There are many more examples. Point being, every year is it's own entity and last year means shit in the NFL.
What a mess.  
Diver_Down : 1/9/2019 5:03 pm : link
These guys don't know what they are talking about. I had to skip the first 10 minutes as they had to belabor the point of trying to win a meaningless game against the Cowboys. Then from 12-14Min they discuss the OL, and they don't even know that Wheeler isn't a FA? Then the cohort jumps to the DL stating that Snacks was great against the run when in fact, he wasn't this year. Kamara ran a train on the Giants defense like they were in the prison laundry while Snacks was manning his spot. Then the guy opines to get Quinnen Willams - that Bama guy.

Are you sure they are football fans?
Great job Eric  
Jay on the Island : 1/9/2019 5:17 pm : link
you clearly were the most informed than the other two gentlemen. I agree with you at center. Pulley was very below average at best and Halapio doesn't have enough of a track record. Personally I would rather just let Pulley go as I don't think he will win a roster spot. Halapio should be back to compete for a roster spot. The Giants need to add another center either in the draft or in FA. I like Evan Brown but I wouldn't want to go into next season with Brown and Halapio as my only options.
RE: What a mess.  
Jay on the Island : 1/9/2019 5:18 pm : link
In comment 14255892 Diver_Down said:
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These guys don't know what they are talking about. I had to skip the first 10 minutes as they had to belabor the point of trying to win a meaningless game against the Cowboys. Then from 12-14Min they discuss the OL, and they don't even know that Wheeler isn't a FA? Then the cohort jumps to the DL stating that Snacks was great against the run when in fact, he wasn't this year. Kamara ran a train on the Giants defense like they were in the prison laundry while Snacks was manning his spot. Then the guy opines to get Quinnen Willams - that Bama guy.

Are you sure they are football fans?

Yeah one of the guys said something about the trading deadline was after the draft and what if Bridgewater said he wanted to be a Giant? What the hell was he trying to say??
RE: Great job Eric  
Diver_Down : 1/9/2019 5:22 pm : link
In comment 14255899 Jay on the Island said:
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you clearly were the most informed than the other two gentlemen. I agree with you at center. Pulley was very below average at best and Halapio doesn't have enough of a track record. Personally I would rather just let Pulley go as I don't think he will win a roster spot. Halapio should be back to compete for a roster spot. The Giants need to add another center either in the draft or in FA. I like Evan Brown but I wouldn't want to go into next season with Brown and Halapio as my only options.


I want to like Brown, but we saw a coaching staff that was not afraid to shuffle the line last season. After watching Pulley get man-handled, it would have been nice to see Brown get some burn especially after the playoffs were out of question. I came away at the end of the season that if Brown was unable to send Pulley to the bench with the low bar that was set, than he can go also. I know it sounds kind of knee-jerk, but out side of Nate and Hernandez, anyone else that is challenging for a spot on the line and didn't take last year can take a hike. The bar can't be set any lower.
RE: RE: What a mess.  
Diver_Down : 1/9/2019 5:24 pm : link
In comment 14255901 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 14255892 Diver_Down said:


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These guys don't know what they are talking about. I had to skip the first 10 minutes as they had to belabor the point of trying to win a meaningless game against the Cowboys. Then from 12-14Min they discuss the OL, and they don't even know that Wheeler isn't a FA? Then the cohort jumps to the DL stating that Snacks was great against the run when in fact, he wasn't this year. Kamara ran a train on the Giants defense like they were in the prison laundry while Snacks was manning his spot. Then the guy opines to get Quinnen Willams - that Bama guy.

Are you sure they are football fans?


Yeah one of the guys said something about the trading deadline was after the draft and what if Bridgewater said he wanted to be a Giant? What the hell was he trying to say??


It really is hard to follow when they don't know what they are talking about. I think that guy is the Man Cave dude. Someone should tell him to step out of the cave and actually watch the sport.
Now (42 Mins in), the cave man  
Diver_Down : 1/9/2019 5:29 pm : link
is extolling the talent of Bosa or Quinnen Williams and how they would be good at #6. Really? Someone should tell Captain Caveman that unless DG trades up, there is no way that Bosa or Quinned will be in blue.
Quinnen not Quinned  
Diver_Down : 1/9/2019 5:29 pm : link
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diver down  
jurban : 1/9/2019 5:41 pm : link
how do you know they wont be available???? you got a crystalball???
RE: RE: Great job Eric  
Jay on the Island : 1/9/2019 5:46 pm : link
In comment 14255910 Diver_Down said:
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In comment 14255899 Jay on the Island said:


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you clearly were the most informed than the other two gentlemen. I agree with you at center. Pulley was very below average at best and Halapio doesn't have enough of a track record. Personally I would rather just let Pulley go as I don't think he will win a roster spot. Halapio should be back to compete for a roster spot. The Giants need to add another center either in the draft or in FA. I like Evan Brown but I wouldn't want to go into next season with Brown and Halapio as my only options.



I want to like Brown, but we saw a coaching staff that was not afraid to shuffle the line last season. After watching Pulley get man-handled, it would have been nice to see Brown get some burn especially after the playoffs were out of question. I came away at the end of the season that if Brown was unable to send Pulley to the bench with the low bar that was set, than he can go also. I know it sounds kind of knee-jerk, but out side of Nate and Hernandez, anyone else that is challenging for a spot on the line and didn't take last year can take a hike. The bar can't be set any lower.

I think that the Giants like Brown enough to keep him on the active roster all year but that he wasn't physically ready for any playing time. Hopefully with a full offseason in the strength and conditioning program Evan Brown will challenge for the starting job. With that said the Giants cannot go into next year with Halapio and Evan Brown as their only options. I would target Mitch Morse in free agency and also draft a G/C in the 4th-5th round range. As for RT if Kyler Murray or Tyree Jackson aren't options I would target round 2 for a RT. David Edwards would be a great addition at RT. Then I would also use another 4th round pick on a developmental OT to groom behind Solder.
RE: diver down  
Jay on the Island : 1/9/2019 5:46 pm : link
In comment 14255924 jurban said:
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how do you know they wont be available???? you got a crystalball???

Probably because they are are the two best players in the draft.
RE: diver down  
Diver_Down : 1/9/2019 5:49 pm : link
In comment 14255924 jurban said:
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how do you know they wont be available???? you got a crystalball???


If Bosa or Q. Williams is sitting there at #6, then 5 GMs should be fired.
First off Eric  
Rjanyg : 1/9/2019 7:00 pm : link
You are the best part of these podcasts, great stuff!

In regards to special teams, the roster turnover has much to do with that IMO, so we need to pay attention to some of those depth guys Tar Davis, Wynn, Hamilton, Webb, Goodson, Rus Shepard, Coleman and understand that many are new guys brought in this year. Dixon was good pick up and Rosas really improved from last year.

The Center position is a big question mark IMO. Hilapio seems to be the apple of Gettlemen and Shurmur eye but I am not so sure. They seem to like Evan Brown but I think a 4th round Center will be a good possibility. Right tackle might be a free agent acquisition or as soon as a round 2 pick.

The biggest issue with our defense is the pass rush and I am not sure OV is worth his paycheck. Good player when he plays which isn’t often. The miss on Prescott at the end of the Dallas game on 4th and 15 is problem with Vernon. We need his to not just get sacks but make plays that change games. At $17 mill per year he hasn’t done enough of that.

The first pick will be either Josh Allen or Clelin Ferrell. Stud Edge Rushers is what our defense needs.

Collins might be franchise tagged. Riley needs to go.

RE: First off Eric  
robbieballs2003 : 1/9/2019 7:11 pm : link
In comment 14256000 Rjanyg said:
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You are the best part of these podcasts, great stuff!

In regards to special teams, the roster turnover has much to do with that IMO, so we need to pay attention to some of those depth guys Tar Davis, Wynn, Hamilton, Webb, Goodson, Rus Shepard, Coleman and understand that many are new guys brought in this year. Dixon was good pick up and Rosas really improved from last year.

The Center position is a big question mark IMO. Hilapio seems to be the apple of Gettlemen and Shurmur eye but I am not so sure. They seem to like Evan Brown but I think a 4th round Center will be a good possibility. Right tackle might be a free agent acquisition or as soon as a round 2 pick.

The biggest issue with our defense is the pass rush and I am not sure OV is worth his paycheck. Good player when he plays which isn’t often. The miss on Prescott at the end of the Dallas game on 4th and 15 is problem with Vernon. We need his to not just get sacks but make plays that change games. At $17 mill per year he hasn’t done enough of that.

The first pick will be either Josh Allen or Clelin Ferrell. Stud Edge Rushers is what our defense needs.

Collins might be franchise tagged. Riley needs to go.


Good post. I'm on board with Allen right now. I love how Ferrell played in the NC game. But is he a fit for our 3-4? Bettcher made it work with Chandler Jones so maybe even though Ferrell seems more like a traditional 4-3 DE.

Who I want to see more of is Polite from Florida. I agree that an edge guy might be very likely at 6 because of the talent available.
RE: RE: RE: What a mess.  
DavidinBMNY : 1/9/2019 7:53 pm : link
In comment 14255911 Diver_Down said:
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In comment 14255892 Diver_Down said:


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These guys don't know what they are talking about. I had to skip the first 10 minutes as they had to belabor the point of trying to win a meaningless game against the Cowboys. Then from 12-14Min they discuss the OL, and they don't even know that Wheeler isn't a FA? Then the cohort jumps to the DL stating that Snacks was great against the run when in fact, he wasn't this year. Kamara ran a train on the Giants defense like they were in the prison laundry while Snacks was manning his spot. Then the guy opines to get Quinnen Willams - that Bama guy.

Are you sure they are football fans?


Yeah one of the guys said something about the trading deadline was after the draft and what if Bridgewater said he wanted to be a Giant? What the hell was he trying to say??



It really is hard to follow when they don't know what they are talking about. I think that guy is the Man Cave dude. Someone should tell him to step out of the cave and actually watch the sport.
The Man Cave dude is solid. I met him in person at Giants / Carolina this year. He is a funny guy - maybe not as on point on all details - trust me you want to watch a game with that guy.
Good podcast...  
Dan in the Springs : 1/9/2019 8:00 pm : link
I just love Giants talk. I think when the host says how much he appreciates you on there Eric there are two things in play - first, you obviously help promote his podcast for YES by posting (and pinning) it here on BBI. Second, and more importantly, you are the one who really has your finger on the pulse of the team and very importantly, the fan base. Your contributions are huge.

One thing I think has been missing in the analysis of DG's comments re: Eli during his presser, both on the podcast and in general here on BBI is this. When DG said was:
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Q: Are you committed to having Eli back next year?

A: Here’s what I’m committed to do. I’m committed to making the best decision in the interest of the New York Football Giants. That’s what I’m committed to do. We’re in the evaluation process. I know that you guys want answers now, but very frankly, I didn’t come in yesterday. I’ve got to do what I do, which is get in my office and watch film. We’re going to meet this week with the coaches and get their evaluation. We’ll meet next week with pro personnel and get their evaluations and get their feelings on everything. That’s our schedule, and I will be watching film for the next who knows how long until my eyes bleed.


I bolded this last part because it seemed to get overlooked by everyone. I heard people criticize DG, wondering why he needs to watch film and do his evaluation for who knows how long when the season just ended. They said things like "wasn't he watching the games? How can he not have an evaluation of Eli ready?

I think he has a very good idea about Eli's value to this organization. He seemed to make it clear that he is going to do what is best for the club, which (imo) you correctly interpreted as a less-than-full commitment to Eli's future with the NYG. But why does he need time to do an assessment? And even more importantly, why would he specifically mention the pro-personnel's evaluations and watching more film?

He isn't committed to Eli being the QB next year. He will certainly look at players in the draft. But for next year, he believes there may be vet upgrades available. That's why he wants to look at film and hear what the pro-personnel people think, in addition to the coaches. The coaches have their opinions of the three QB's on the roster and he'll consider it, but he's committed to researching all possible vet QB options for 2019.

I really haven't heard anyone key in on this part of the presser, but admittedly may have missed it somewhere. I got off BBI other than quick checks just under 3 weeks ago and have only lurked a bit here and there since. I definitely thought you would have discussed this though as you analyzed DG's presser and was surprised it wasn't even mentioned, as I think it's by far the most insightful comment he made regarding Eli and his future with the NYG.
RE: RE: First off Eric  
Rjanyg : 1/9/2019 8:52 pm : link
In comment 14256011 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 14256000 Rjanyg said:


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You are the best part of these podcasts, great stuff!

In regards to special teams, the roster turnover has much to do with that IMO, so we need to pay attention to some of those depth guys Tar Davis, Wynn, Hamilton, Webb, Goodson, Rus Shepard, Coleman and understand that many are new guys brought in this year. Dixon was good pick up and Rosas really improved from last year.

The Center position is a big question mark IMO. Hilapio seems to be the apple of Gettlemen and Shurmur eye but I am not so sure. They seem to like Evan Brown but I think a 4th round Center will be a good possibility. Right tackle might be a free agent acquisition or as soon as a round 2 pick.

The biggest issue with our defense is the pass rush and I am not sure OV is worth his paycheck. Good player when he plays which isn’t often. The miss on Prescott at the end of the Dallas game on 4th and 15 is problem with Vernon. We need his to not just get sacks but make plays that change games. At $17 mill per year he hasn’t done enough of that.

The first pick will be either Josh Allen or Clelin Ferrell. Stud Edge Rushers is what our defense needs.

Collins might be franchise tagged. Riley needs to go.




Good post. I'm on board with Allen right now. I love how Ferrell played in the NC game. But is he a fit for our 3-4? Bettcher made it work with Chandler Jones so maybe even though Ferrell seems more like a traditional 4-3 DE.

Who I want to see more of is Polite from Florida. I agree that an edge guy might be very likely at 6 because of the talent available.


Hey Robbie,

I have seen Ferrell play standing up and even drop into coverage so I think he would be perfect for the hybrid 3/4 defense and all the multiple fronts we play. I prefer Allen but I think the Jets will take him at 3. Also, Allen and Ferrell seem to have the same build, 6’4” 260 is what I see them listed. The one thing I like about Ferrell that I have met really noticed with Allen is he seems to be a bit more intense and I kind of like that from a pass rusher. Both are gonna be good pros so I would happy with either guy. I think Ferrell makes it to pick 6.
RE: Good podcast...  
shyster : 1/10/2019 1:26 am : link
In comment 14256079 Dan in the Springs said:
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I bolded this last part because it seemed to get overlooked by everyone.


Not everyone. Mark Herzlich made exactly the point you argue in his well-publicized contention last week that DG does not see a future for Eli with NYG:

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When Gettleman says, ‘I’m going to watch film until my eyes bleed,’ that’s not film on Eli; that’s film on every other quarterback possibility in the country.”


OTOH, Dottino assures all that there is absolutely no chance Giants will bring in another QB vet; so, we'll see.



NYP - ( New Window )
RE: RE: Good podcast...  
Dan in the Springs : 1/10/2019 9:03 am : link
In comment 14256328 shyster said:
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In comment 14256079 Dan in the Springs said:


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I bolded this last part because it seemed to get overlooked by everyone.



Not everyone. Mark Herzlich made exactly the point you argue in his well-publicized contention last week that DG does not see a future for Eli with NYG:



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When Gettleman says, ‘I’m going to watch film until my eyes bleed,’ that’s not film on Eli; that’s film on every other quarterback possibility in the country.”



OTOH, Dottino assures all that there is absolutely no chance Giants will bring in another QB vet; so, we'll see.

NYP - ( New Window )


Thanks - saw the thread and title about Herz, but didn't have time to read through it. I haven't seen it discussed elsewhere, so I missed that analysis.

Still, it's something I think should be brought up on a podcast analyzing DG's comments about Eli.

Thanks again.
Wow, I agree  
Doomster : 1/10/2019 10:02 pm : link
that there was a lot of rambling, with little substance....

Lack of knowledge, of the draftees was surprising....

No mention of Jamon Brown being an UFA......I don't think they really knew what Halapio's track record was.....he was a guy who was bumped from practice squad to practice squad, and did not distinguish himself in preseason or two starts....

Haskins available at 6? No talk of anyone trading up for him, ahead of the Giants?

One guy asked the question, do you think Riley will be on the team next year?
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