And the only semblance of an edge rush we have on the roster
He's also overpaid and not worth the contract he received. But the way some people take it so personally against him is strange. What was he supposed to do, not take the most money he could get?
but if salary didnt matter, he is a plus player on the field- he is not a game wrecker so not worth his $. but there are far worse things on for the giants on the field then when he is there.
he best pairing would be with a guy like Osi in a 4-3.
why people on this Board feel personally hurt when a player under-performs his contract. It tends to make them resent the player and unable to evaluate his worth to the team.
OV + JPP = Arod's of football
Stat compilers in meaningless situations that come up small in big spots
They're not on the same planet as ARod as talents or smarts. Not to mention, ARod was the driving force in a Championship. I won't hold my breath for Vernon to do that.
why people on this Board feel personally hurt when a player under-performs his contract. It tends to make them resent the player and unable to evaluate his worth to the team.
It’s because Giants fans suck. They want play to play for minimum wage and if they don’t and don’t perform to what they feel is equal to their pay, they become enemy number 1.
You’re talking about a fan base that acts like Jonathon Stewart is the devil and the Giants will never recover from that “crippling” contract.
that was voted into the Pro Bowl without even having played a game the entire season. People voted for him because they knew his name. Wish I could remember who it was...
And the only semblance of an edge rush we have on the roster
He's also overpaid and not worth the contract he received. But the way some people take it so personally against him is strange. What was he supposed to do, not take the most money he could get?
And the only semblance of an edge rush we have on the roster
He's also overpaid and not worth the contract he received. But the way some people take it so personally against him is strange. What was he supposed to do, not take the most money he could get?
This +1
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They are stuck with him I think, don't have any damn edge rushers on this team.
If they had one or two others,
I think they would move on from him. The same I feel
would apply to the mercurial Jenkins at CB.
Who else you got around here?
They are almost as compelling as the arguments saying if you take away a player's longest runs, then he sucks at YPC.
People love to hate Vernon. I don't know why that is. Maybe it's the injury thing. As if he didn't play with a broken wrist his first year here and just likes to sit out games. Could also be because he was a Reese pick up. Idk.
They are almost as compelling as the arguments saying if you take away a player's longest runs, then he sucks at YPC.
People love to hate Vernon. I don't know why that is. Maybe it's the injury thing. As if he didn't play with a broken wrist his first year here and just likes to sit out games. Could also be because he was a Reese pick up. Idk.
It's the contract value. I like Vernon and he is clearly our best pass rusher but it's hard to justify what we are paying him based on overall production. It's a shame really because I feel like he was going to have a MONSTER year before getting that high ankle sprain in practice this season.
There's always a "because" with Vernon. There's always an explanation of why he hasn't lived up to the contract.
That assumes he hasn't lived up to the contract. I disagree with that premise.
He's definitely a top 30 ER. He's averaged 9 sacks and 23 QB hits per 16 games with the Giants. Those are good numbers. Our defense wasn't bad because we had Olivier Vernon. It was bad because he's the only good ER on the team and we don't have a coverage safety or decent number 2 corner. Hopefully, Beal and Carter can help in some of those areas. And ideally we might finally get a FS. But I don't see how Vernon is a problem.
They are almost as compelling as the arguments saying if you take away a player's longest runs, then he sucks at YPC.
People love to hate Vernon. I don't know why that is. Maybe it's the injury thing. As if he didn't play with a broken wrist his first year here and just likes to sit out games. Could also be because he was a Reese pick up. Idk.
It's the contract value. I like Vernon and he is clearly our best pass rusher but it's hard to justify what we are paying him based on overall production. It's a shame really because I feel like he was going to have a MONSTER year before getting that high ankle sprain in practice this season.
I agree he might be overpaid. But how much he's overpaid isn't a huge number. I don't think you're going to be able to get rid of Vernon and replace his production for that amount. That said, I wouldn't be opposed to trading him for a 2nd or 3rd round pick, because then you're getting essentially two players for him, in the pick and cap space.
I agree he might be overpaid. But how much he's overpaid isn't a huge number. I don't think you're going to be able to get rid of Vernon and replace his production for that amount. That said, I wouldn't be opposed to trading him for a 2nd or 3rd round pick, because then you're getting essentially two players for him, in the pick and cap space.
I agree with you. I don't think he is going anywhere though anyway, IMO he is on the defense for 2019. Hopefully we can add some help to the defense at LB and secondary... and another ER would be fantastic (Although I have high hopes for Carter).
but if salary didnt matter, he is a plus player on the field- he is not a game wrecker so not worth his $. but there are far worse things on for the giants on the field then when he is there.
he best pairing would be with a guy like Osi in a 4-3.
Sadly he's it on the field enough. And when he is not always even close to 100% he disappears.
And his "selection" to the Pro Bowl Pretty much shows that using that supposed honor is meaningless she as some Type of measure of greatness
RE: Geez...
Dave in Hoboken : 10:44 am : link : reply
In comment 14256631 Dnew15 said:
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OV + JPP = Arod's of football
Stat compilers in meaningless situations that come up small in big spots
They're not on the same planet as ARod as talents or smarts. Not to mention, ARod was the driving force in a Championship. I won't hold my breath for Vernon to do that.
just about every Yankee fan was giggling in anticipation of all the pennants/WS they would win.....
And what happened? UP 3-1 against the Sox, and Alex disappeared and the Red Sox ended the curse.......9 seasons with ARod resulted in just one pennant/WS.....he was a failure in the post season except for 2009....
There are stat machines, who just compile stats.....but some of them ARE difference makers....Arod and OV weren't....
Clap...clap
Well done dep
1.5 against Mark Sanchez
2 against Chase Daniel
2.5 with Tyron Smith out of the game.
Yawn....
He's also overpaid and not worth the contract he received. But the way some people take it so personally against him is strange. What was he supposed to do, not take the most money he could get?
I must miss Mack's big games. I just do not see it. I'm being a bit dismissive, but 1 sack late against the Giants crap line and 1(?) the other night.
he best pairing would be with a guy like Osi in a 4-3.
Just noticed. Brace, not embrace
Stat compilers in meaningless situations that come up small in big spots
Stat compilers in meaningless situations that come up small in big spots
They're not on the same planet as ARod as talents or smarts. Not to mention, ARod was the driving force in a Championship. I won't hold my breath for Vernon to do that.
Stat compilers in meaningless situations that come up small in big spots
JPP was a major part of a super bowl. We don't win it without him in 2011.
Stat compilers in meaningless situations that come up small in big spots
And the stupid take of the day award goes to...you.
JPP dominated in 2011, we don’t win that Super Bowl without him
ARod carries the Yankees to the 2009 World Series title
They are almost as compelling as the arguments saying if you take away a player's longest runs, then he sucks at YPC.
They are almost as compelling as the arguments saying if you take away a player's longest runs, then he sucks at YPC.
It's really ridiculous
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JPP was a major part of a super bowl. We don't win it without him in 2011.
+1
It’s because Giants fans suck. They want play to play for minimum wage and if they don’t and don’t perform to what they feel is equal to their pay, they become enemy number 1.
You’re talking about a fan base that acts like Jonathon Stewart is the devil and the Giants will never recover from that “crippling” contract.
They are almost as compelling as the arguments saying if you take away a player's longest runs, then he sucks at YPC.
I thought to be a stat compiler, you actually had to, you know, play in games..........
He's also overpaid and not worth the contract he received. But the way some people take it so personally against him is strange. What was he supposed to do, not take the most money he could get?
This +1
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And the only semblance of an edge rush we have on the roster
He's also overpaid and not worth the contract he received. But the way some people take it so personally against him is strange. What was he supposed to do, not take the most money he could get?
This +1
They are stuck with him I think, don't have any damn edge rushers on this team.
If they had one or two others,
I think they would move on from him. The same I feel
would apply to the mercurial Jenkins at CB.
Who else you got around here?
Will Carter ready to fill his shoes? Don't know.
Tough call.
In comment 14256650 TheMick7 said:
They are almost as compelling as the arguments saying if you take away a player's longest runs, then he sucks at YPC.
People love to hate Vernon. I don't know why that is. Maybe it's the injury thing. As if he didn't play with a broken wrist his first year here and just likes to sit out games. Could also be because he was a Reese pick up. Idk.
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love the old take on stat compilation.
They are almost as compelling as the arguments saying if you take away a player's longest runs, then he sucks at YPC.
People love to hate Vernon. I don't know why that is. Maybe it's the injury thing. As if he didn't play with a broken wrist his first year here and just likes to sit out games. Could also be because he was a Reese pick up. Idk.
It's the contract value. I like Vernon and he is clearly our best pass rusher but it's hard to justify what we are paying him based on overall production. It's a shame really because I feel like he was going to have a MONSTER year before getting that high ankle sprain in practice this season.
That assumes he hasn't lived up to the contract. I disagree with that premise.
He's definitely a top 30 ER. He's averaged 9 sacks and 23 QB hits per 16 games with the Giants. Those are good numbers. Our defense wasn't bad because we had Olivier Vernon. It was bad because he's the only good ER on the team and we don't have a coverage safety or decent number 2 corner. Hopefully, Beal and Carter can help in some of those areas. And ideally we might finally get a FS. But I don't see how Vernon is a problem.
One of the top 10 funniest posts of the year. So true, so sad.
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In comment 14256654 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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love the old take on stat compilation.
They are almost as compelling as the arguments saying if you take away a player's longest runs, then he sucks at YPC.
People love to hate Vernon. I don't know why that is. Maybe it's the injury thing. As if he didn't play with a broken wrist his first year here and just likes to sit out games. Could also be because he was a Reese pick up. Idk.
It's the contract value. I like Vernon and he is clearly our best pass rusher but it's hard to justify what we are paying him based on overall production. It's a shame really because I feel like he was going to have a MONSTER year before getting that high ankle sprain in practice this season.
I agree he might be overpaid. But how much he's overpaid isn't a huge number. I don't think you're going to be able to get rid of Vernon and replace his production for that amount. That said, I wouldn't be opposed to trading him for a 2nd or 3rd round pick, because then you're getting essentially two players for him, in the pick and cap space.
Nice!
I agree he might be overpaid. But how much he's overpaid isn't a huge number. I don't think you're going to be able to get rid of Vernon and replace his production for that amount. That said, I wouldn't be opposed to trading him for a 2nd or 3rd round pick, because then you're getting essentially two players for him, in the pick and cap space.
I agree with you. I don't think he is going anywhere though anyway, IMO he is on the defense for 2019. Hopefully we can add some help to the defense at LB and secondary... and another ER would be fantastic (Although I have high hopes for Carter).
he best pairing would be with a guy like Osi in a 4-3.
Sadly he's it on the field enough. And when he is not always even close to 100% he disappears.
And his "selection" to the Pro Bowl Pretty much shows that using that supposed honor is meaningless she as some Type of measure of greatness
I'm more guilty of that than anyone here. iPhones and laziness. Not a good combo for me at all. Welcome to the club
Dave in Hoboken : 10:44 am : link : reply
In comment 14256631 Dnew15 said:
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OV + JPP = Arod's of football
Stat compilers in meaningless situations that come up small in big spots
They're not on the same planet as ARod as talents or smarts. Not to mention, ARod was the driving force in a Championship. I won't hold my breath for Vernon to do that.
just about every Yankee fan was giggling in anticipation of all the pennants/WS they would win.....
And what happened? UP 3-1 against the Sox, and Alex disappeared and the Red Sox ended the curse.......9 seasons with ARod resulted in just one pennant/WS.....he was a failure in the post season except for 2009....
There are stat machines, who just compile stats.....but some of them ARE difference makers....Arod and OV weren't....