Is there a team in the NFL that would commit to him as the QB next season as well as a big cap #. Then why should the Giants?
The only leverage Eli really has is that Mara is to much of a coward to stand up to the fans who want Eli as the QB no matter how many games the team continues to lose.
Wouldn’t it make more sense to approach Eli about a paycut if not then outright release and use that money on a young player who actually has a future with this team?
Draft Dwayne Haskins and sign a Ryan Fitzpatrick type.. the bar is set at 5 wins .. not exactly insurmountable
What the fuck is it with this fan base?
I struggle thinking about cutting people's pay but expecting a level of performance that works for me, unless he is going from starting role to bench. Which is why i tend to think that Eli should just be outright released (and let him decide if he wants to retire or move on instead).
Giants don't hesitate to go after all the underperforming non-white players for salary "restructuring". Why does Eli get a pass?
By my estimate, restructing him to fair value would create enough cash to get another exensive OL man to protect him.
I struggle thinking about cutting people's pay but expecting a level of performance that works for me, unless he is going from starting role to bench. Which is why i tend to think that Eli should just be outright released (and let him decide if he wants to retire or move on instead).
I would force him into retirement.. if not then release him
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What’s your plan? Who is the qb next season?
Draft Dwayne Haskins and sign a Ryan Fitzpatrick type.. the bar is set at 5 wins .. not exactly insurmountable
LOL
Sure thing, Eazy Peazy! Screw Gettleman, hire this guy.
For the right club with an OL, a bargain....
On the other hand, he's Eli Manning; in some ways he raised his game last year; he did that without a decent line in front of him for most of the season; and Shurmur likes veteran QBs. Plus someone has to play QB in 2019, and it better not be Kyle Lauletta or Alex Tanney.
So it's either make a clean break and move on, probably with a free agent QB for 2019, or stick with Eli for another year. Either way they look for a young guy to develop. Eli becomes the new Kurt Warner. If we're lucky, maybe a free agent becomes the new Kerry Collins, but Kerry Collins never won a Super Bowl. And KC was a pretty good QB.
I think it's 60-40 toward "clean break"/ Eli goes -- especially if you figure in the possibility that Eli takes the decision out of their hands and retires.
But if he is cut, that is a whole different ball game....
What was your point again?
Giants don't hesitate to go after all the underperforming non-white players for salary "restructuring". Why does Eli get a pass?
By my estimate, restructing him to fair value would create enough cash to get another exensive OL man to protect him.
Your point is far more fair than the OP's. There is nothing wrong with asking Eli to restructure, but what do you do if he says no? Cut him and eat the cap hit? Then on top of that, you have to pay his replacement.
Personally, I would look at restructuring, but not at the expense of extending his contract. Then the Giants are free of his contract after next season, and can either resign him if he plays well enough or move on.
Giants don't hesitate to go after all the underperforming non-white players for salary "restructuring". Why does Eli get a pass?
Just read this board.
It seems like everyone wants Vernon cut, and Gettleman is justified in trading our best defender and a developing top 10 pick for peanuts.
At the same time a large number of posters wanted to bring back mediocre Justin Pugh.
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What’s your plan? Who is the qb next season?
Draft Dwayne Haskins and sign a Ryan Fitzpatrick type.. the bar is set at 5 wins .. not exactly insurmountable
So tell everyone you want Haskins.
Giants don't hesitate to go after all the underperforming non-white players for salary "restructuring". Why does Eli get a pass?
By my estimate, restructing him to fair value would create enough cash to get another exensive OL man to protect him.
The point is fair but when you throw in "Mara is a coward" people dismiss the point.
If you hate the owner of the team you root for that much, root for a different team.
why would Fitz get 10 mil? here are the contracts he has signed. other then the Jets who seem to love to pay up for mediocre vets his going rate is about 3 per year
MAR 8 2018Signed a 1 year $3.3 million contract extension with Tampa Bay (TB)
MAY 19 2017Signed a 1 year $3 million contract with Tampa Bay (TB)
JUL 27 2016Signed a 1 year $12 million contract with New York (NYJ)
MAR 20 2014Signed a 2 year $7.25 million contract with Houston (HOU)
MAR 18 2013Signed a 2 year $6.5 million contract with Tennessee (TEN)
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Giants don't hesitate to go after all the underperforming non-white players for salary "restructuring". Why does Eli get a pass?
By my estimate, restructing him to fair value would create enough cash to get another exensive OL man to protect him.
The Giants just had an African American GM for how long?
The Giants just committed how much money to their African American WR? RB? Now we're arguing they make financial decisions based on race?
1. None of us know if he has been asked to restructure yet but assuming he wouldn't be asked because he is white, not because he has won us two championships and is one of our best players ever, is in my opinion, really fucking moronic.
Fair to criticize the Giants for resigning Josh Brown? Yeah, that was fucked.
Fair to criticize the Giants over the ridiculous fucking cost of a hot pretzel and water at Metlife? Yeah.
Fair to criticize the Giants for being crappy the last 8 years? Yes.
Fair to assume them of racism? Nah. Big stretch.
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Giants don't hesitate to go after all the underperforming non-white players for salary "restructuring". Why does Eli get a pass?
Just read this board.
It seems like everyone wants Vernon cut, and Gettleman is justified in trading our best defender and a developing top 10 pick for peanuts.
At the same time a large number of posters wanted to bring back mediocre Justin Pugh.
Two racists on this board are you WideRight.
^^^
Second, on the racism front, people forgot how quickly they got rid of Geno Smith. Wait, they also fired McAdoo. That doesn't support the narrative. Wait, they also haven't cut Vernon. Damn.
I get the narrative now is that everything is connected to Eli, but did they not make the playoffs two seasons ago? Did he not throw 30 and 35 tds in back-to-back seasons? The point is it's not as "black-and-white" as some are subtly trying to make it.
Release him.. no team in the NFL will pay him what the Giants will, see how quickly Eli will retire if he has to test Free Agency
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Don't base your question, any opinion, or reasoning on facts. Just pull stuff out of thin air and see how people react. According to the OP, they'll just force Eli to retire (I'd like to know how you force someone in Eli's position to retire) or cut him and eat the dead money/cap hit. Then they'll sign Ryan Fitzpatrick, a guy who threw 12 interceptions in 8 games in which he did not play the entirety of each game, and who will play for less than 10 million or some made up number (yeah right). Just so much STUPID.
Release him.. no team in the NFL will pay him what the Giants will, see how quickly Eli will retire if he has to test Free Agency
The point is no team HAS to pay him what the Giants are paying him in the last year of his contract. But just to indulge your abstract, in-a-vacuum proclamations, I can see Washington, Jacksonville, Denver, and Miami as potential landing spots. That's the beauty about the free market, it where desperation and rationality battle to determine the outcome.
who cares about his pedigree? Hopefully he only plays a handful of games before the rookie (or possibly KL but that seems unlikely) takes over
It keeps getting said that we will have to spend the same amount on the QB position even if we cut Eli. Its simply not true
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Ron Mexico - I like you as a poster. I said less than 10M, but my bigger point was the lack of anything to support the premise of forcing Eli to retire and signing Fitzpatrick as a bridge. Since when are the NY Giants going to sign a Ryan Fitzpatrick type as a bridge? Does he have Kurt Warner's pedigree?
who cares about his pedigree? Hopefully he only plays a handful of games before the rookie (or possibly KL but that seems unlikely) takes over
It keeps getting said that we will have to spend the same amount on the QB position even if we cut Eli. Its simply not true
I see I have to spell it out a little more for you, pedigree as in you could sell Kurt Warner to Giants fans as a way to try and be competitive while bring along your #1 pick at QB. Didn't they start out 6-2 that year? You can't do that with Ryan Fitzpatrick. Instead, you tell the fans we're tanking, and we took a QB this year when the QB class is thought to be stronger next year. Easy thing to say when it's not your money/bottomline.
Interesting.
Warner was replaced at 5-4
That s a legitimate question.
I really don’t know, but if forced to give an opinion I d say, no.
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Ron Mexico - I like you as a poster. I said less than 10M, but my bigger point was the lack of anything to support the premise of forcing Eli to retire and signing Fitzpatrick as a bridge. Since when are the NY Giants going to sign a Ryan Fitzpatrick type as a bridge? Does he have Kurt Warner's pedigree?
I see I have to spell it out a little more for you, pedigree as in you could sell Kurt Warner to Giants fans as a way to try and be competitive while bring along your #1 pick at QB. Didn't they start out 6-2 that year? You can't do that with Ryan Fitzpatrick. Instead, you tell the fans we're tanking, and we took a QB this year when the QB class is thought to be stronger next year. Easy thing to say when it's not your money/bottomline.
Who cares what the perception is (maybe the Giants)
Who can get down with projecting a QB class 2 years down the road.. the Giants should take a young guy now and sign a bridge guy.. that’s a plan I could get down with... not some fairytale 2 years later when we don’t know what can happen between now and then
That s a legitimate question.
I really don’t know, but if forced to give an opinion I d say, no.
That’s what I’m asking.. No team will so why should the Giants? Because of SBs we won 10 yrs ago
Interesting.
Not only that, but the OP thinks Mara is keeping Eli to sell PSLs.
Can't make this shit up
That’s what I’m asking.. No team will so why should the Giants? Because of SBs we won 10 yrs ago [/quote]
You do know the 2011 season was seven years ago, right? Regardless, my point, and I think others as well, is what is your plan if a) they get him to agree to cut his salary or b) they release him.
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Ron Mexico - I like you as a poster. I said less than 10M, but my bigger point was the lack of anything to support the premise of forcing Eli to retire and signing Fitzpatrick as a bridge. Since when are the NY Giants going to sign a Ryan Fitzpatrick type as a bridge? Does he have Kurt Warner's pedigree?
who cares about his pedigree? Hopefully he only plays a handful of games before the rookie (or possibly KL but that seems unlikely) takes over
It keeps getting said that we will have to spend the same amount on the QB position even if we cut Eli. Its simply not true
I see I have to spell it out a little more for you, pedigree as in you could sell Kurt Warner to Giants fans as a way to try and be competitive while bring along your #1 pick at QB. Didn't they start out 6-2 that year? You can't do that with Ryan Fitzpatrick. Instead, you tell the fans we're tanking, and we took a QB this year when the QB class is thought to be stronger next year. Easy thing to say when it's not your money/bottomline.
No one except for that poster harooni on the old Giants message board cared about Kurt warner in 2004. Everyone will be focused on the shiny new toy waiting in the wings.
But if you are insistent on having a QB with a ring fill the bridge role, maybe we can sign Flacco (kidding)
That’s what I’m asking.. No team will so why should the Giants? Because of SBs we won 10 yrs ago
You do know the 2011 season was seven years ago, right? Regardless, my point, and I think others as well, is what is your plan if a) they get him to agree to cut his salary or b) they release him. [/quote]
I would draft Haskins and sign a bridge guy .. I think Haskins with Barkley and OBJ will be very exciting
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Ron Mexico - I like you as a poster. I said less than 10M, but my bigger point was the lack of anything to support the premise of forcing Eli to retire and signing Fitzpatrick as a bridge. Since when are the NY Giants going to sign a Ryan Fitzpatrick type as a bridge? Does he have Kurt Warner's pedigree?
who cares about his pedigree? Hopefully he only plays a handful of games before the rookie (or possibly KL but that seems unlikely) takes over
It keeps getting said that we will have to spend the same amount on the QB position even if we cut Eli. Its simply not true
I see I have to spell it out a little more for you, pedigree as in you could sell Kurt Warner to Giants fans as a way to try and be competitive while bring along your #1 pick at QB. Didn't they start out 6-2 that year? You can't do that with Ryan Fitzpatrick. Instead, you tell the fans we're tanking, and we took a QB this year when the QB class is thought to be stronger next year. Easy thing to say when it's not your money/bottomline.
No one except for that poster harooni on the old Giants message board cared about Kurt warner in 2004. Everyone will be focused on the shiny new toy waiting in the wings.
But if you are insistent on having a QB with a ring fill the bridge role, maybe we can sign Flacco (kidding)
I actually prefer one with two rings (kidding). I guess you and GB6599 are all in on getting Haskins so you'll have to swing assets to pull that off so you can get your bridge QB. Tail meet dog. Now wag.
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What’s your plan? Who is the qb next season?
Draft Dwayne Haskins and sign a Ryan Fitzpatrick type.. the bar is set at 5 wins .. not exactly insurmountable
How do you guarantee you draft Haskins when you draft at #6?