Been talking about this in a group chat that has fans of all different teams one being the Eagles. What would you do if you ran that team (take away any Giants bias if possible).
Would anyone try to trade away Wentz and resign Foles? I'm leaning towards yes even though Wentz is better. Between the injuries and him being due a massive contract I think i'd rather hitch my wagon to Foles on a cheaper deal and grab another high pick for a playmaker.
Curious what BBI thinks.
I think you go with Wentz, but i get the sense 20 years from now we'll be saying what could have been instead of what was in regards to his career.
I think you go with Wentz, but i get the sense 20 years from now we'll be saying what could have been instead of what was in regards to his career.
Has nothing to do with being offended. He can get more through either the franchise tag route or through free agency. Why settle for an incentive, injury clause deal when you dont have to? Its not like his numbers are bad - see my post above. Quite the opposite.
Foles would be very challenged to even reach that threshold
Foles would be very challenged to even reach that threshold
This is mostly true. I do think Hostetler was better, but I also think people are selling Foles short. He is the equivalent of the AAAA baseball player. To good for a backup, but not quite good enough to hitch your horse to. Probably better than Bortles and Dalton. I still think better than Keenum. Probably at about Stafford/Cousins level or a smidge under.
I dont think he's as good as Stafford or Cousins. I know Stafford had a down year, but he lost every one of his receivers to free agency (Ebron), injury or trade (Tate). Even his receiving running backs got hurt.
I'd go with Wentz.
Every time I watch Foles, I walk away unimpressed with his physical abilities. When he throws the ball downfield it seems to travel a mile in the air and somehow his receivers come down with it. There's no denying he's gotten the job done in his limited action with the Eagles.
This game will be a different animal than anything he's seen over the past two season of work. This isn't Philly, or a neutral field in the super bowl. This isn't Chicago with a 2nd year qb who couldn't take advantage of the Eagles glaring holes. Heck this isn't even LA where half the stadium was Eagles fans. This, in my opinion, right now is the toughest place to play in football with a team that is loaded top to bottom and hungry to avenge the embarrassment of last season. This game will say a lot about Foles. He may need to keep pace in a shootout, we'll see.
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On paper, it makes sense to sign Wentz to an incentive laden, injury clause contract. Would he sign that though? Would he be offended by it? I'd guess no, he doesn't seem like that sort of person. But you never know.
I think you go with Wentz, but i get the sense 20 years from now we'll be saying what could have been instead of what was in regards to his career.
Has nothing to do with being offended. He can get more through either the franchise tag route or through free agency. Why settle for an incentive, injury clause deal when you dont have to? Its not like his numbers are bad - see my post above. Quite the opposite.
How do you know he won't need to settle for a deal like that? Because his numbers are solid? That proofs my point. We all know he is really good and really young. We also know he plays recklessly and has had 2 significant injuries in 2 years.
Better the player, higher the pay. Bigger the deal, better the chance a guy whose battled injuries will have some language put in his contract that addresses those concerns.
-half of BBI
Yeah, he was going to retire because his career was in the toilet (and I thought I read he had some personal issues too). Now, some team out there will give him at a minimum Case Keenum money, probably more. I doubt he walks away from that.
Giant Grit - I dont know what to tell you. He just isnt in a position where he has to take an incentive laden deal. He's accomplished plenty in his first three seasons that 15-20 teams would give him Jimmy G. money in a heartbeat if he hit the open market.
Wentz is only cost controlled for next year. They have to pick up his option for 2020, which is 30 million—which kind of means they probably will start working on a long term deal with him now.
From what I read, if Foles opts out, they can then slap the tag on him. The problem from the Eagles standpoint is you tie up 25mm that you can you to extend other guys and pick someone up in free agency. it probably wont happen, but they can slap the tag on him. (again, based on what I read)
However, I suspect that the Eagles believe that Wentz is still the better quarterback, and that it is much less likely that committing to him will blow up in their faces than if they were to commit to Foles.
But either way, it just won't be feasible for them to keep both QBs next year - and no matter what decision they make, it will be second-guessed until the end of time if their success doesn't continue.
Hard to call it a poor decision when Wentz did in fact get hurt again late this season and Foles has stepped in and helped them go 5-1 since... playing in this weekend's Divisional Round.
The name of this game after all is to chase championships and go on playoff runs. What's a 2nd round pick (that they could have gotten for Foles last year) relative to this?
Expensive insurance policy but Wentz is still under his rookie deal.
I'd tag Foles, both guys get along and there doesn't seem to be an ego issue.
Easily Wentz.
Giant QB Controversy - go with declining veteran for a final swan song contract year because cap hit and alternatives are actually worse outcomes; or go with trainwreck 2nd year guy who cannot even drive to MetLife stadium w/o being arrested.
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and play Wentz through 2019 before deciding on whether to give him the new contract. It's a waste to for them to have Foles walk out the door with no compensation, but that's the poor position the Eagles put themselves in by not trading him last year when they had the chance.
Hard to call it a poor decision when Wentz did in fact get hurt again late this season and Foles has stepped in and helped them go 5-1 since... playing in this weekend's Divisional Round.
The name of this game after all is to chase championships and go on playoff runs. What's a 2nd round pick (that they could have gotten for Foles last year) relative to this?
Poor position* - didn't say anything about decision. Talking specifically about getting compensation for Foles (without the benefit of hindsight). If the Eagles win another championship this year this won't even be a debate, they'll retain Foles.
That being said, I'm not too sure that his skills will translate to a different offense. I think he's the perfect fit for what Doug Peterson wants to do.