Landon Collins

In comment 14257353 Manny in CA said:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ggocxzjv4O0 He's not a linebacker but just the very best "box" safety in the NFL. Spags figured that out when Collins made ALL PRO. #1 need on this team is an outstanding pass rush, #2 and #2A are a top-tier free safety and a corner. (Riley & BW Webb are not the answers ).

I remember at one point in 2016 Collins lead the team in tackles, interceptions, and sacks.

The league has adjusted to him, though.

I'd love to have him back but not at a huge amount of money. I used to think someone would pay him a monster contract (if not the Giants), but I'm not sure anymore. I think the book on him is out, so he might actually come at a reasonable price.

In comment 14257226 rasbutant said:

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Lamarcus Joyner Earl Thomas Tyrann Mathieu Landon Collins Guess you could include these guys as well... Adrian Amos Ha Ha Clinton-Dix Tre Boston Give me Collins and then Joyner in that order

Cover a WR. I don’t have a problem with a franchise deal to see how he has is recovered, but he is one player who talks like a team player but can’t elevate the team play. True that Michael Thomas made more plays this year.

the team is back to where they were when they trade up to get him. Before Collins they had a bunch of miscasts and misfits trying to be NFL safeties.

In comment 14257555 Beer Man said:

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the team is back to where they were when they trade up to get him. Before Collins they had a bunch of miscasts and misfits trying to be NFL safeties.

Have you seen where the Giants have ranked defensively with him on the team? Safety is just not a position that changes a team unless the other pieces are in place. He isn't making an offense change their plays or their protections. Nobody cares where he is lined up unless they get him one on one against anybody. He doesn't change anything for us being on the field.

RE: RE: How quickly they forget
JonC : 4:43 pm : link : reply

He just turned 24. He's primed for this second pro contract and isn't even in his prime yet. He flashed in the two seasons since his monster year, but when he tries to do too much it often backfires on him.

If you want to build talent, you keep him and pay him a number you're ok with. If you're off the school of thought where $10-12M is too much for a top notch SS, you could make an argument to trade him.

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Doomster : 10:13 pm : link : reply
RE: RE: How quickly they forget
JonC : 4:43 pm : link : reply

He just turned 24. He's primed for this second pro contract and isn't even in his prime yet. He flashed in the two seasons since his monster year, but when he tries to do too much it often backfires on him.

If you want to build talent, you keep him and pay him a number you're ok with. If you're off the school of thought where $10-12M is too much for a top notch SS, you could make an argument to trade him.




you can't trade him because he is an UFA!!!!!!!!

The guy had one good year....and he only plays better when surrounded by talent? What the hell does that say?

He has been injured the last two seasons.....

According to Eric, in his podcast, Collins made a comment about being sick of losing, and might be looking elsewhere in FAcy.....

That's why DG tried to trade him during the season......but he already gave Snacks away, and nobody came with a serious offer.....but right now, who wouldn't have taken a 3rd or 4th round pick if he does leave in FAcy?

Collins averaged over 100 tackles per season with a high rate of solo tackles. That makes him better than most of the DBs and LBs on the team. Go watch Riley, Jenkins and Webb miss tackles. Collins is not supposed to be a ball hawk or shut down cover guy. The SS role is to make tackles and take pressure off the LB. This team was so bad at tackling WRs and RBs catching the ball short of the sticks on 3rd down with short routes that it was pathetic.

If you are not OK paying Collins around $10-$11M, then ask yourself if you are OK with paying older vets OV $17M, Jenkins $14M, Ogletree $10M or Martin $5M? Giants have screwed up the cap so badly that average to subpar players are getting top of the market guaranteed contracts for little to no production.

Collins is going to be in his prime for another couple of years and he is a leader on the team.

We all know his limitations in coverage but the Titans game was a glaring example of what we were missing without him against the run. If he doesn't improve in coverage next year we can let him walk.

I kind of hope they tag him AND add a coverage safety next to him. Not sure how possible that is with the cap, though.

In comment 14257226 rasbutant said:

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Lamarcus Joyner Earl Thomas Tyrann Mathieu Landon Collins Guess you could include these guys as well... Adrian Amos Ha Ha Clinton-Dix Tre Boston

Give me Adrian Amos instead. I wanted Amos in the draft out of State Penn years ago.

Vs the Skins, Dix didn't even make an Ole! effort to tackle him. He didn't even wave...

In comment 14257231 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 14257199 ryanmkeane said: Quote: candidate for the franchise tag and then re-sign mid or late season if his play and health are back to usual This

But what is usual? His rookie year he was out of position. He came back in 2016 as a SS and had as good a year as you can have and then had the next 2 seasons end early with injury, but both were merely OK. Who's to say 2016 is "usual" for him? Maybe it's the outlier.

I really like him and would love to have him back. But, I don't want to grossly overpay to try to find out the player he really is. Givent that it is highly unlikely they can sign hjm for a reasonable deal, I would be open to letting him walk, especially given 2 factors. One, we have no idea who will be opposite him. Unless there is a significant upgrade at FS, he will not truly thrive at SS. Two, he is coming off shoulder surgery, which makes me very wary, especially for a guy whose game is physical.

Tough, bright kid from a good program who can really play a physical form of defense. Lots of throwback qualities to his play.

But it’s not the ‘80s or the SEC. The NFL is morphing into the Big 12/PAC 12. Which is very sad because I’m attracted to his physical play, too.

However, you have to be able to cover as a safety in today’s game. Collins can’t be trusted to do that on a reliable basis. So what’s his value? A few good, big hits here and there. But a potential liability on every passing down. Sorry, but there is limited benefit.

He has to go and we need a more reliable player with skills that fit today’s game.

The guy is a top tier safety. He played next to a pile of hot trash. I know the guys from big blue banter love to say that Riley was always int be right spot. Wonderful he couldn’t make a tackle or a play the entire year. Next, we had zero pass rush and bad corner play. How do you expect Collins to perform? Reading this thread makes me want to stay off Bbi until April. Then I see a bob sanders comparison. Comparing those 2 is like comparing Maurice Jones Drew and Brandon Jacobs.

I'll never forgive him for dropping the Brady interception to seal the game, but any replacement will be a downgrade.

In comment 14257313 robbieballs2003 said:

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Again, I am not writing him off. I like him. But, imo, where we are at and where he is at is not a match. He should be a key piece on a good defense. Our defense is garbage and we need a ton of pieces. We need to allocate our resources more in the front 7 or even at corner. Safety doesn't have the impact without those other pieces. If Collins is brought back for a modest salary then great. But if he wants to get paid I think we are better off using that money elsewhere. And the game was against Carolina earlier in the year. Missed tackle after missed tackle. He's throwing shoulders around instead of wrapping up. Link - ( New Window )

If the perspective is the same as yours, I get it, and have no problem moving along (trying to trade him first) if his camp's price target doesn't work for NYG. I've touted $10-12M as plenty, but ultimately the open market will probably deliver more cash to him, if he holds firm for it.

But, some of the perspective in this thread on how talented he is when utilized correctly and healthy is off target. He's a foundational piece. At 24, he's in the right age range to keep in blue, provided the numbers can be agreed upon.

The safety market has stalled over the years and most NFL execs are aware of what type of league this is. I don't think he's a lock to set the bar and there may be a depressed market for his skillset for the reasons mentioned in this thread. If we're running an attacking front 7, that leaves us exposed in the running game, it may not be as cut and dry as some think in regards to what we need at SS. He plays downhill extremely well and that applies as a blitzer as well. He also has a nose for the football - he's a playmaker.

The NFL is changing to where it's next to impossible to shut down the top offenses, the best strategy may be to play bend-dont-break, clamp down in the redzone and create drive ending plays in the form of sacks, TFLs, fumbles and interceptions. Chunk plays are okay if you follow up with a drive killer. Collins fits that philosophy. It's not as simple as "his weakness is in coverage and this is a pass league".

In comment 14257915 Tuckrule said:

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The guy is a top tier safety. He played next to a pile of hot trash.

You sound like dep trying to defend Eli Manning.

I would sign Tre Boston to play FS .
When Collins had his best year A guy named Snacks had a
career year was head and toe above any DT in tackles
Should look for another CB as well was a big difference when we had DRC in the slot .