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Bill in UT : 1/10/2019 4:41 pm
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More Tebow please  
UConn4523 : 1/11/2019 10:24 am : link
these threads are great.
RE: RE: Basically, what I'm ALLEGING  
Anakim : 1/11/2019 10:36 am : link
In comment 14258089 bradshaw44 said:
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Is when it comes to women, looks come first to Tebow and the other things are just gravy.

Again, never met him. Never met his past girlfriends and don't really know anything about them. But I find it somewhat suspicious that someone as self-righteous as Tim Tebow portends to be only dates physically flawless women.



Physical attraction is still important to people. Just because he is religious doesnít mean he canít appreciate beauty. And when did it become a prerequisite for religous people to marry for brains alone?

Overall I understand your point. But when it comes to procreation physical attraction is still important.



No doubt, and I'm not saying it's not, but it just seems to me that physical attraction to Tebow is more important than other factors...or at least, physical perfection (which is what those three girls are) is absolutely necessary in a partner.
RE: RE: RE: Basically, what I'm ALLEGING  
Moondawg : 1/11/2019 10:55 am : link
In comment 14258150 Anakim said:
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Is when it comes to women, looks come first to Tebow and the other things are just gravy.

Again, never met him. Never met his past girlfriends and don't really know anything about them. But I find it somewhat suspicious that someone as self-righteous as Tim Tebow portends to be only dates physically flawless women.



Physical attraction is still important to people. Just because he is religious doesnít mean he canít appreciate beauty. And when did it become a prerequisite for religous people to marry for brains alone?

Overall I understand your point. But when it comes to procreation physical attraction is still important.




No doubt, and I'm not saying it's not, but it just seems to me that physical attraction to Tebow is more important than other factors...or at least, physical perfection (which is what those three girls are) is absolutely necessary in a partner.


Maybe you can't read his mind. Isn't intellectual humility a virtue?

Again, don't have much of a stake in the dude, but when you claim "he's a phony", you sound like someone who is intellectually sloppy. When you fall to the mat to defend it, you sound worse.

BTW, sexual attraction is a major part of romantic relationships. If not, why not just be friends? Is this new info to you?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Basically, what I'm ALLEGING  
Anakim : 1/11/2019 10:57 am : link
In comment 14258182 Moondawg said:
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Is when it comes to women, looks come first to Tebow and the other things are just gravy.

Again, never met him. Never met his past girlfriends and don't really know anything about them. But I find it somewhat suspicious that someone as self-righteous as Tim Tebow portends to be only dates physically flawless women.



Physical attraction is still important to people. Just because he is religious doesnít mean he canít appreciate beauty. And when did it become a prerequisite for religous people to marry for brains alone?

Overall I understand your point. But when it comes to procreation physical attraction is still important.




No doubt, and I'm not saying it's not, but it just seems to me that physical attraction to Tebow is more important than other factors...or at least, physical perfection (which is what those three girls are) is absolutely necessary in a partner.



Maybe you can't read his mind. Isn't intellectual humility a virtue?

Again, don't have much of a stake in the dude, but when you claim "he's a phony", you sound like someone who is intellectually sloppy. When you fall to the mat to defend it, you sound worse.

BTW, sexual attraction is a major part of romantic relationships. If not, why not just be friends? Is this new info to you?


Sure sounds like you do, but I've made my point. Point is, no one knows for sure. We can only speculate.
no, you don't have to speculate at all  
Moondawg : 1/11/2019 10:59 am : link
it's okay *not to have an opinion.* That's my point.
unreal how some may shit on him but  
GMAN4LIFE : 1/11/2019 11:00 am : link
the guy is a class act off the field. The stuff he does for the special needs kids is unimaginable. Its an awesome sight to see.

the guy is awesome
Credit to him staying a virgin...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/11/2019 11:02 am : link
I would have caved in about .00002 seconds with those Gators chicks throwing themselves @ me.
OMG, that ring is crazy!  
Rico : 1/11/2019 12:46 pm : link
7.25 carat internally flawless diamond? That stone must have cost about $700,000. Between flying her family and friends in from SA, and getting an SA rock star to come perform, that engagement must have cost a $1M!

Tebow never had a big sports contract, and his net worth is estimated at $4M. His prime earning days are behind him, and he just blew a quarter of his net worth on the engagement, and he still has a wedding to pay for! Not smart!
RE: OMG, that ring is crazy!  
Beezer : 1/11/2019 12:50 pm : link
In comment 14258337 Rico said:
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7.25 carat internally flawless diamond? That stone must have cost about $700,000. Between flying her family and friends in from SA, and getting an SA rock star to come perform, that engagement must have cost a $1M!

Tebow never had a big sports contract, and his net worth is estimated at $4M. His prime earning days are behind him, and he just blew a quarter of his net worth on the engagement, and he still has a wedding to pay for! Not smart!


Have to wonder how much of the "over the top" approach was geared toward marketing.

I know that sounds cynical, and I AM a Tebow fan, generally. But for a guy who's an OK baseball player and who bounced out of the NFL, and who is middle-of-the-road at best as a commentator?

Eh. Maybe I can't escape my cynical side, after all.
Don't really understand how Tebow is "controversial"  
lawguy9801 : 1/11/2019 12:54 pm : link
other than via him being a devout Christian.

My hunch is that those who have a problem with him would not have a problem with him were he a devout follower of another religion.

Kind of like how all "right-thinking" people were supposed to boycott Chick-Fil-A a few years back.

RE: unreal how some may shit on him but  
lawguy9801 : 1/11/2019 12:55 pm : link
In comment 14258195 GMAN4LIFE said:
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the guy is a class act off the field. The stuff he does for the special needs kids is unimaginable. Its an awesome sight to see.

the guy is awesome


But he's a devout Christian, and to a certain segment of people that is either suspicious, at best, or unforgivable, at worst.
Fatman  
Dr. D : 1/11/2019 12:57 pm : link
again, Iím pretty sure no one in the prison or anywhere else that Tim Tebow speaks, is being forced to attend and listen to him.

My comment about the doctor not telling a friend of a deadly disease was obviously a metaphor. And I thought I made it clear that it was from someone like Tim Tebowís perspective, i.e., thatís how he thinks regardless of how someone like you feels.

I understand you donít like the metaphor, but you probably wouldnít like any metaphor I try. But Iíll try anyway, think of it (again from a Christianís perspective), for someone like Tebow to not speak of the Gospel is akin to not telling people of a great free gift they could have. And this great free gift is available to EVERYONE.

When I refer to Tebow as brave, I mean that he could easily practice his faith in private and not set himself up for so much hate and ridicule. Most Christians prefer to avoid being ridiculed, called stupid, believers in an imaginary friend in the sky, etc. But Christians who read the Bible know that weíre supposed to spread ďthe good newsĒ (ďGospelĒ in Greek).

To Christians, the good news is that we (our souls) can have eternal life in heaven through faith in Jesus. The Bible says those who donít accept this free gift will have eternal separation from God and everything that is Godly, i.e., love, beauty, light.. Basically, God wonít force those who never accepted Him to spend eternity with Him.

That probably sounds like crap to you and itís of course your prerogative to believe whatever you want. My wife and I have multiple degrees between us, including Molecular Biology and Chemical Engineering and itís clear to us (and most Christians) that believing in God and science is not remotely mutually exclusive.

In fact for many, including the Director of the Human Genome project (who has an MD and PhD in Genetics), the more he looked at human DNA, the more he felt it couldnít have happened randomly or by accident. He was an atheist for about half his life, but became a Christian and someone like Tim Tebow sowed the first seeds for his belief.

Probably nothing I say is going to change your mind, so have a nice day.
100% correct...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/11/2019 12:58 pm : link
If he were a devout Muslim there'd be no controversy.....

Brother!

Being a devout anything is at minimal controversial if you use that devoteness to influence other people.

If he's a great person, let's call him that. Just like anyone else who is a great human. But when we have to use the additional modifier that he's a "great Christian" that puts it over the top.

It's like being christian has some innate advantage, when really it doesn't.
And Dr. D..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/11/2019 1:01 pm : link
when you talk about things as if there is a certainty that people are missing out by not being given certain information, no - you aren't going to change my mind.

In fact, it reinforces the delusion that somehow spreading the "Good News" has a benefit. That it leads to a certain outcome. That it leads a person to eternal grace instead of damnation.

It is probably one of the biggest dividers of Planet Earth that we have, so I do not find it either positive nor compelling.
RE: RE: RE: Good for him.  
rsjem1979 : 1/11/2019 1:02 pm : link
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seems like a decent human being. Need more of those around.



True, but let's be honest: Tebow is a bit of a phony




I couldn't disagree more. I actually think that he is one of the few that is NOT phony. Seems like a genuinely decent person. Good for him.


Nothing more real than staging your engagement for an exclusive reveal in People Magazine.
RE: Credit to him staying a virgin...  
jnoble : 1/11/2019 1:02 pm : link
In comment 14258197 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I would have caved in about .00002 seconds with those Gators chicks throwing themselves @ me.


I would've been hitting like the fist of an angry God left and right. I get depressed thinking about it, how I'll never be in that position (so to speak)
RE: RE: RE: RE: Good for him.  
Bill in UT : 1/11/2019 1:06 pm : link
In comment 14258402 rsjem1979 said:
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Nothing more real than staging your engagement for an exclusive reveal in People Magazine.


Maybe they kicked in a few bucks towards the ring. It's not like he's getting commercials hawking credit cards to help him pay the bills.
Craig Carton has said that Tim Tebow is the most beautiful man  
Anakim : 1/11/2019 1:08 pm : link
he ever met. He actually said that on the air with Boomer.
I want to say something rude or obnoxious but  
giantsFC : 1/11/2019 6:40 pm : link
He actually seems like a really decent person and genuine nice guy.

And she is really good looking. God for them then make a pretty pair.
RE: 100% correct...  
giantsFC : 1/11/2019 6:41 pm : link
In comment 14258386 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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If he were a devout Muslim there'd be no controversy.....

Brother!

Being a devout anything is at minimal controversial if you use that devoteness to influence other people.

If he's a great person, let's call him that. Just like anyone else who is a great human. But when we have to use the additional modifier that he's a "great Christian" that puts it over the top.

It's like being christian has some innate advantage, when really it doesn't.


You know, for someone who comes off as a douche to me often on here I usually agree w your posts.
Well said
Fatman  
Dr. D : 1/11/2019 8:36 pm : link
I never said anything about a "certainty", but we will all find out some day. I'm not 100% certain, but I have a lot of reasons why I believe and I'm sure Tim Tebow does as well. You can choose to hate him (and I) or just think we're stupid or pushy or whatever.

What's the worst if Tim and I are wrong? I know I've helped a lot of people I would not have, if not for my beliefs (my wife and I have given a crapload of money to charity (including sponsoring families in South America and we lead a local chapter of a charity that has sent Christmas gifts to tens of thousands of kids around the world, who otherwise probably wouldn't have received anything).

Those are things I can guarantee you we wouldn't be doing without our beliefs. Yeah, we would give token amounts to charity, but not to the extent that it keeps us from having a nicer 2nd car or going on vacations (like last year).

I'm sure you can think of bad examples of Christians who are judgmental, but they don't seem to have exclusive rights in judging others; the judgement just comes from a different perspective.

Have a nice night.
Dr. D..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/11/2019 9:12 pm : link
I don't hate anyone, especially Tebow.

This topic isn't about hate ot love. It is about common decency.

There is literally no reason for anyone to push their belief system on anyone else. None.

Like I said above, salvation isn't a group in numbers exercise. A belief system doesn't have any stronger pull with 1,000,000 followers than a system with 1 follower. The only one who benefits in a greater number capacity are those with an expected revenue flow.

My beliefs are my beliefs. I could give a rat's ass if you choose to accept them or not. I'm also a Christian, but that really isn't the point. Whether I believe in Christ as a supreme being or I believe in Joe down the street is immaterial.

What is material is that people have the onus on themselves to be the best they can be. To do the right things. To help their fellow man. That has nothing to do with Christ or Joe. It has to do with us.
I don't know Tebow well enough to comment  
Jay on the Island : 1/11/2019 9:18 pm : link
on whether or not he pushes his religion on other people as Kurt Warner was known for. Tebow seems like a genuinely great human being regardless of his religious beliefs. It's unfortunate that he wasn't a great QB because he is a great role model.
I can't stand the preaching that he does  
kennyd : 1/11/2019 9:18 pm : link
but I will say, I have a daughter with special needs who has been to two of his "Night to shine" proms (and will be going to another this April) and they are pretty fantastic. He can keep the proselytizing to himself but he really does do a lot of good and "walks the walk" when it comes to things like this.
kennyd.  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/11/2019 9:20 pm : link
and in the end, hopefully Tebow will be known as a great person.
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kennyd : 1/11/2019 9:24 pm : link
In comment 14259097 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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and in the end, hopefully Tebow will be known as a great person.


Could't agree more. (although I like and appreciate the work he does, I'll never be a big fan. Do the work and keep your opinions regarding religion to yourself!)
Fatman  
Dr. D : 1/11/2019 9:50 pm : link
I admit I skimmed a little over your posts on this thread. I actually don't enjoy these exchanges; nothing personal. I've read your posts for it seems like 20 years and I often agree with you. But when it comes to this subject, there are a hundred things I'd rather be doing than be insulted, having my intelligence or sanity questioned (not saying you necessarily have here, but that's how it usually goes).

I agree that "salvation isn't a group in numbers exercise." And that "a belief system doesn't have any stronger pull with 1,000,000 followers than a system with 1 follower". That is more of a belief of a certain "religion of peace".

I also agree that there have been too many opportunists who have gotten rich off their "ministries". I don't think Tebow is one of them. I happen to think he's one of the good guys.

Salvation is a very individual and personal thing, but i guess where you and I disagree is that there are tens of millions who don't know about it. They don't know about Jesus for whatever reason and that's where people like Tebow help.

Unfortunately, I believe the Catholic Church has done more harm than good for X number of centuries now. I know so many people, including good friends, who have turned away from God and the one common denominator is that they grew up Catholic.

People have to know that they shouldn't reject Jesus because of the sins of man-made organizations like the Catholic Church or Westboro Baptist.

Good sincere Christians like I think Tebow is, can help people see past the other BS. No one is forcing anyone to believe anything, at least not when it comes to Christianity.

But if someone like Tebow isn't telling people about the free gift of salvation, many will never know it's available or that maybe it's a good thing to want.


this line is where the problem lies IMO  
kennyd : 1/11/2019 9:59 pm : link
"They don't know about Jesus for whatever reason and that's where people like Tebow help."

"help" what? To get more people on your team? If people are searching for some kind of spiritual enlightenment, it's not hard to find. People need to keep their religion to themselves, I for one don't want to hear about it.
Dr. D.  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/11/2019 10:13 pm : link
my point is that I don't really care how many people believe in Jesus. I don't think it matters.

And it causes a shitload of conflict in the World today.

If you were to ask me what the biggest issue is in society today and I'd probably reply that it has to do with the misuse of religion.

There is literally no reasonable justification for trying to get another person to believe in what you do regarding God or the afterlife.
RE: Dr. D.  
Jay on the Island : 1/11/2019 10:26 pm : link
In comment 14259123 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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my point is that I don't really care how many people believe in Jesus. I don't think it matters.

And it causes a shitload of conflict in the World today.

If you were to ask me what the biggest issue is in society today and I'd probably reply that it has to do with the misuse of religion.

There is literally no reasonable justification for trying to get another person to believe in what you do regarding God or the afterlife.

I couldn't agree more.
FMiC...  
bw in dc : 1/11/2019 10:31 pm : link
makes a good point about the misuse of religion.

It's been monetized, weaponized, and used to hypnotize.

I admire people who use it wisely and quietly.
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Chris in Philly : 1/11/2019 10:39 pm : link
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Telling someone about faith is nothing like medical advice.

It isn't brave. It isn't a gift.

it is an intrusion. And yet there are people like you who think it is perfectly acceptable to do it.

Belief systems aren't dependent on how many people follow them.

If people feel obligated to help others, do it with actions. Do it with deeds. Telling others what will lead to salvation, even if it is done with good intentions, is just pushing an agenda.



Bravo FMiC

And to others, don't talk about what goes on in Prisons unless you've been in one, please.


Whoa, whoa, whoa. Time out. Can we suspend the philosophizing, the pearl clutching, and the arguing and chew on this nugget for a bit: we are not allowed to discuss what goes on in prison unless we have been there. Get a load of Cool Hand Luke over here...
it's NOT about getting more people on his team  
Dr. D : 1/11/2019 10:45 pm : link
first of all, it's not his team and I'm sure Tim would be the first to tell you that. For Christians like Tebow, Jesus said there is ONE way to God. ONE way to heaven. Jesus is THE way.

Now, I'm not going to say that a Jew who faithfully obeys the 10 Commandments or a really good person somewhere in the 3rd world who never heard of Jesus isn't going to make it. None of this is for me to decide. I'm just saying what is said in the New Testament (and it does basically say that it won't be held against those who have never heard the gospel).

I know that's very controversial and you can disagree all you want, but that's what the Bible says and contrary to what many skeptics say, there's good evidence (historical, archeological) that the New Testament was written by a combination of eye/ear witnesses to the teachings and life of Jesus (John, Matthew, Peter (his disciples), James (his one time skeptical "brother"), Paul (the one time nemesis of his followers) and others who were companions of eye witnesses (Luke, Mark).

So, to people like Tebow, they're letting people know about this free gift of eternal life for their soul in heaven that can't be gotten, at least not nearly as easily elsewhere. It's not about getting more people on his team, as if he's getting a commission or points.
RE: it's NOT about getting more people on his team  
kennyd : 1/11/2019 10:58 pm : link
In comment 14259143 Dr. D said:
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first of all, it's not his team and I'm sure Tim would be the first to tell you that. For Christians like Tebow, Jesus said there is ONE way to God. ONE way to heaven. Jesus is THE way.

Now, I'm not going to say that a Jew who faithfully obeys the 10 Commandments or a really good person somewhere in the 3rd world who never heard of Jesus isn't going to make it. None of this is for me to decide. I'm just saying what is said in the New Testament (and it does basically say that it won't be held against those who have never heard the gospel).

I know that's very controversial and you can disagree all you want, but that's what the Bible says and contrary to what many skeptics say, there's good evidence (historical, archeological) that the New Testament was written by a combination of eye/ear witnesses to the teachings and life of Jesus (John, Matthew, Peter (his disciples), James (his one time skeptical "brother"), Paul (the one time nemesis of his followers) and others who were companions of eye witnesses (Luke, Mark).

So, to people like Tebow, they're letting people know about this free gift of eternal life for their soul in heaven that can't be gotten, at least not nearly as easily elsewhere. It's not about getting more people on his team, as if he's getting a commission or points.


You keep mentioning this "free gift of eternal life". What if you don't believe in it? Why does someone have to keep hearing about this? Does an atheist that leads a good, honorable life get into heaven or do you have to be in the club?

And, the bible was written and revised (countless times) for hundreds of years after Jesus died. Please don't make it out to be a factually correct historic document. There wasn't a journalist there writing down things that Jesus allegedly said.
Free gifts  
adamg : 1/11/2019 11:14 pm : link
are usually free for a reason...
Fatman  
Dr. D : 1/11/2019 11:23 pm : link
I'm really not here to argue. I consider myself very non-confrontational. I generally try to stay away from it... but here I am.

You say you're a Christian (and who am I to question anyone), but that would normally indicate that you believe in heaven and hell (because the Bible teaches about both)... And yet you don't seem to care about how many people... end up eternally separated from God and everything that is Godly, i.e., love, beauty, light (that's what I think hell is).

No offense, but the attitude is almost like - F*k 'emÖ or else a) you really don't believe in heaven and hell or b) you think everybody except guys like Hitler get into heaven or I guess c) people can maybe find out about it some other less potentially offensive way.

To have any of those viewpoints is your prerogative, but I would question if you really follow the teachings of Christ.

To not follow His teachings is also your prerogative; my main point throughout this thread is that I believe people like Tebow actually care about how many people hear "the good news". To not care, is basically saying F*k 'em.
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christian : 1/11/2019 11:33 pm : link
Maybe I'm sheltered in a reverse kind of way that I've lived in a major metro area my entire adult life, and along with that the general stay out of each other's way that is necessary to survive, but I don't commonly run into anyone who's trying to sell me on what they believe. Is this really an infringing problem for folks in contemporary America?

Now if I were to voluntarily attend an event (say like a prison ministry as mentioned above, and I'm assuming inmates aren't being forced to attend) with a pretty clear purpose of sharing beliefs, I wouldn't be all too surprised someone is sharing their beliefs.

I tend to find someone sharing their religious faith casually in the media or an interview as benign as someone endorsing any other cause. If George Clooney casually mentions a humanitarian crisis, or Ashley Judge mentions a woman's workplace rights issue, or if Kyrie Irving mentions the Earth being flat, I feel the same level of assailed as when Tim Tebow wants to share his faith -- not assailed at all.
RE: this line is where the problem lies IMO  
Banks : 1/11/2019 11:44 pm : link
In comment 14259118 kennyd said:
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"They don't know about Jesus for whatever reason and that's where people like Tebow help."

"help" what? To get more people on your team? If people are searching for some kind of spiritual enlightenment, it's not hard to find. People need to keep their religion to themselves, I for one don't want to hear about it.

I worked with someone that tried to convert people. That may be worded too strongly as she wasn't pushy about it, but if it came up in convo and she would recommend coming to her church. One day I asked her why she seems interested in people becoming christians (for the record I am, but I have not practiced in many moons). She said it's because she believes the only path to heaven is to believe in Jesus and she wanted people she cared about to be there. So at least in her case, it wasn't about getting someone on her team. She wanted them to be eternally happy.
I wouldn't like people pushing their religion on me, but despite having numerous friends over the years that are very devoted to their faith no one has pushed it on me. It's something I hear about, but have never really encountered even from Teboweseque people in my life. As for Tebow, I think he's genuinely a good guy. He promotes his faith on field and i can see how that annoys some, but I don't think it'd be much of an issue of the media didn't incessantly bring it up like they have.
I don't really follow Tebows life much  
steve in ky : 1/11/2019 11:52 pm : link
so maybe I have missed it but I don't recall him ever really pushing his faith on people. If he goes somewhere, or some event where he is scheduled to talk about his faith and people show up to hear, then so what? It's a free country and there is nothing wrong with that.

I'm a Christian but I don't really care for it when people harass others about their beliefs or attempt to push their faith on strangers. And lets face it you can't force or push anyone into a belief in God. Kind of misses the entire point.

This is all entirely personal but for myself this is my take. I try to live my life as faithful as I can and really that's not always the easiest thing to do so I think I should be concentrating on my own life, and my own walk with God, rather than be worrying about how others are living their lives. That's none of my business. And if along the way someone is curious about it, or sees something in my life that makes them wonder about it and asks me about my faith I will share it with them but I'm not comfortable pushing my beliefs on anyone.

Basically if it comes up in conversation I am not ashamed of my faith and will discuss it, but I don't see the benefit in trying to brow beat others about what I believe.



RE: I don't really follow Tebows life much  
kennyd : 1/12/2019 12:25 am : link
In comment 14259165 steve in ky said:
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so maybe I have missed it but I don't recall him ever really pushing his faith on people. If he goes somewhere, or some event where he is scheduled to talk about his faith and people show up to hear, then so what? It's a free country and there is nothing wrong with that.

I'm a Christian but I don't really care for it when people harass others about their beliefs or attempt to push their faith on strangers. And lets face it you can't force or push anyone into a belief in God. Kind of misses the entire point.

This is all entirely personal but for myself this is my take. I try to live my life as faithful as I can and really that's not always the easiest thing to do so I think I should be concentrating on my own life, and my own walk with God, rather than be worrying about how others are living their lives. That's none of my business. And if along the way someone is curious about it, or sees something in my life that makes them wonder about it and asks me about my faith I will share it with them but I'm not comfortable pushing my beliefs on anyone.

Basically if it comes up in conversation I am not ashamed of my faith and will discuss it, but I don't see the benefit in trying to brow beat others about what I believe.




Now that I can respect. I don;t want to hear that you know something that "non-believers" don't and you're somehow obligated to share that with them (us). I have a set of beliefs that I have no need to share with you, whatever works for you is the rule I go by when it comes to religion.
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christian : 1/12/2019 12:28 am : link
Steve -- in my experience there are very, very few brow beatings, and virtually none that come out of nowhere like a surprise attack.

I'm genuinely curious what other's experiences are.

I tend not to associate with people who are pushy with their beliefs in general.

I've had the great pleasure in life of knowing some real whacky people, who believe in some stuff that's pretty weird to me. It's great to better understand people and learn what makes them tick.

If somebody is real jerk or believes in something that offends my sensibilities I like knowing that so I can run, but I can probably count them on one hand.

I guess I should accept I'm in a pretty slim minority. I'm not naive enough to think there aren't people out there pushing their beliefs. But really aside from the whackadoos on a bullhorn now again in front of Yankee Stadium, not something I encounter much if ever.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I still don't know..  
Hsilwek92 : 1/12/2019 12:36 am : link
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Thatís what I donít get. Why do people feel they need or have to share their faith?



Because they're passionate about it. Why do people feel they need to share their politics? Why do people feel they need to share their football preferences?


Iím sorry but, this is just an idiotic argument.

Youíre literally conflating people pushing religious values on people to football rooting interests. Makes zero sense.

Ridiculous.

Here's what I've seen regarding Steve  
montanagiant : 1/12/2019 12:47 am : link
He has never forced his beliefs on anyone on BBI. He has indeed professed them on here but never has he condemned nor judge any that don't believe the same.

He carries himself with respect for others and listens to their counterpoint.

Steve and I have different beliefs in many aspects but I have always enjoyed my conversations with him.
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Hsilwek92 : 1/12/2019 1:01 am : link
In comment 14257850 christian said:
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Thatís what I donít get. Why do people feel they need or have to share their faith? Look at the asshole who got killed for doing just that this year. He thought an island inhabited by a tribe who is isolated from the world just needed Jesus so much, he broke the law, trespassed, and was then killed by said tribe.

No one needs or has to hear any of that bullshit. You want to celebrate your faith? Fine, I have no problem with that. Just donít push it on me or act like you have some kind of moral high ground because, itís been proven time and again, ďChristiansĒ certainly donít.



There's a pretty big difference between a dude sneaking onto a protected island and Tebow's church being invited to speak at the prison, presumably to a group of guys who are voluntarily present.

I'm not particularly interested in hearing what most people think about much, and it's incredibly tough to not. Are you really getting bombarded by people's views?


The difference between the asshole sneaking onto an island and trying to push jesus onto people and Tebow trying to push jesus onto people is, Tebow had cameras on him and prison security.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I still don't know..  
christian : 1/12/2019 8:39 am : link
In comment 14259184 Hsilwek92 said:
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The difference between the asshole sneaking onto an island and trying to push jesus onto people and Tebow trying to push jesus onto people is, Tebow had cameras on him and prison security.


I suspect you are greatly misunderstanding how a prison ministry works and who is on attendance.

Teboew isn't setting up a booth in the cafeteria and sneak attacking unsuspecting prisoners with a bullhorn while they eat.
christian..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/12/2019 1:08 pm : link
it could be because of my location, but I run into religious solicitation quite a lot:

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christian : 1/11/2019 11:33 pm : link : reply
Maybe I'm sheltered in a reverse kind of way that I've lived in a major metro area my entire adult life, and along with that the general stay out of each other's way that is necessary to survive, but I don't commonly run into anyone who's trying to sell me on what they believe. Is this really an infringing problem for folks in contemporary America?


It is even timely. I was at the grocery store this morning and a kind old woman was standing next to me waiting for deli meat to be cut. She turns to me and asks where I attend church. I told her and she told me that she was sorry that our old sanctuary had recently had a fire. Then she went on to say that she's glad I have Jesus Christ in my life. Very innocuous, but to me an odd conversation to have with a person I do not know.

But more frequently, you get an actual solicitation. A stranger will ask if you've accepted Jesus Christ as your savior. Frequently, the first topic from a stranger is to ask where you worship. Now, it could just be a way to break the ice, but I can't say that I have ever led a conversation off asking about religion. To me, it is like going up to somebody and asking what their political affiliation is and then make a pitch to convert them.

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You say you're a Christian (and who am I to question anyone), but that would normally indicate that you believe in heaven and hell (because the Bible teaches about both)... And yet you don't seem to care about how many people... end up eternally separated from God and everything that is Godly, i.e., love, beauty, light (that's what I think hell is).

No offense, but the attitude is almost like - F*k 'emÖ or else a) you really don't believe in heaven and hell or b) you think everybody except guys like Hitler get into heaven or I guess c) people can maybe find out about it some other less potentially offensive way.


I believe in Christ. That is the definition of a Christian. I'm not saying Fuck 'Em to those who don't believe. I'm saying that I don't care who believes. Just because I believe doesn't mean that Christ exists, so who the hell am I to tell people who they should believe in?

My minor from college is in Religion. In that coursework, I learned a shitload of information about other faiths. And I'm at peace with the idea that as humans, we are free to believe in what we choose to. Again - if God exists, does it matter if he has a singular follower or billions? It is a serious question.

I really think religion should be there to give an individual direction to be a good Human being. That's the best we can accomplish on this planet. But there are countless times in history where the guise of religion is used to govern, murder, rob and brainwash people. All in the supposed effort for everyone to believe the same thing. In that vein, saying "Fuck 'Em" is the best avenue.

By the way, I know that steve is a religious person and I've always tried to be sensitive to his beliefs because he seems like a very good person too. I do not mock religious beliefs, I simply wish they would remain personal
FatMan  
Matt M. : 1/12/2019 2:15 pm : link
Very well put. Thank you for that perspective.
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christian : 1/12/2019 2:17 pm : link
In comment 14259498 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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it could be because of my location, but I run into religious solicitation quite a lot:



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christian : 1/11/2019 11:33 pm : link : reply
Maybe I'm sheltered in a reverse kind of way that I've lived in a major metro area my entire adult life, and along with that the general stay out of each other's way that is necessary to survive, but I don't commonly run into anyone who's trying to sell me on what they believe. Is this really an infringing problem for folks in contemporary America?



It is even timely. I was at the grocery store this morning and a kind old woman was standing next to me waiting for deli meat to be cut. She turns to me and asks where I attend church. I told her and she told me that she was sorry that our old sanctuary had recently had a fire. Then she went on to say that she's glad I have Jesus Christ in my life. Very innocuous, but to me an odd conversation to have with a person I do not know.

But more frequently, you get an actual solicitation. A stranger will ask if you've accepted Jesus Christ as your savior. Frequently, the first topic from a stranger is to ask where you worship. Now, it could just be a way to break the ice, but I can't say that I have ever led a conversation off asking about religion. To me, it is like going up to somebody and asking what their political affiliation is and then make a pitch to convert them.


One of the few times I've been solicited, I'm scurrying through the BART station in San Francisco, and it's one of these stations you can enter a mall through so it's packed.

This kick the doors down hot girl comes right to my face and says, "Are you Christian?" and I'm thinking she knows me, and thinking how did I forget a girl like you. My girlfriend at the time is equal parts not amused and laughing at me.

Gotta be one of the few times in this world proselytizing was tragically misinterpreted as a former hook-up.
This thread now reminded me of 3 incidents in my life  
Matt M. : 1/12/2019 2:24 pm : link
One, in college in Albany, on campus during Sukkot there were Hassidic Jewish men out of a mobile unit asking if you were Jewish. I never saw a Hassidic Jew any other time of the year in Alabany and to this sect of Hassidism, I am not even seen as Newish the rest of the year.

Two, I remember being followed fod 2 blocks after getting off the train near home by a Jew for Jesus. Guy, wouldn't leave me alone.

Three, in my first job out of college on Christmas Eve day, a co-worker asked me what I was doing that evening. I said I was waiting to hear from my friends; maybe a bar or club or movie. She asked why I wasn't doing something else like family, mass, etc. I reminded her I'm Jewish, which she knew. Her response was, "but it's Christmas." I reminded her again I was Jewish. Then she started asking me why I didn't want to celebrate the birth of Jesus. I re.inded her avain I was Jewish and then tried to end the conversation. It was truly odd.
christian..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/12/2019 4:54 pm : link
now that is a funny story!!
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