He's almost assuredly being signed to play 3B at this money and he probably deserves to over every other candidate based on what he did last year. Does this push McNeil to LF with Nimmo in CF? Does this spell the end for Frazier even if we eat some of his contract?
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Mets envision Lowrie playing every day, with his flexibility allowing them some better matchups elsewhere on the diamond. Lowrie's good from both sides of the plate, and he can also back up Rosario at SS.
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A word about Jed Lowrie: Successful baseball teams don't worry about positional "fit" nearly as much as you might think. They seek out the best available talent and try to amass as much of it as possible and then figure out how to deploy it. Just look at the '17 and '18 Dodgers.
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I can't say I'm happy with this move, given that I want to see
McNeil play. One thing is clear. Frazier is on his way out.
Sounded like they were already gearing up for McNeil to start out as a super sub and that included LF/RF. You can easily shift Nimmo to CF, play McNeil in a corner, and still have two gold glove caliber players backing them all up on the bench.
Mind boggling they are not assuring ABs for McNeil
this is almost like a much cheaper version of signing Marwin. He hasn't played any SS the last couple years and it looks like he was deteriorating there defensively, but as a backup it doesn't really matter that much. Very interesting move.
Does make you wonder if there's another move coming because they can't possibly have enough at bats for all these guys.
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Mets also are willing to use McNeil in the outfield so there could be at-bats there if Alonso thrives and Mets use Frazier/Lowrie as the infielders.
RE: wow weird/surprising move but I've always liked lowrie
this is almost like a much cheaper version of signing Marwin. He hasn't played any SS the last couple years and it looks like he was deteriorating there defensively, but as a backup it doesn't really matter that much. Very interesting move.
Does make you wonder if there's another move coming because they can't possibly have enough at bats for all these guys.
and I do see it. He offers IF versatility at 3 positions similar to Marwin but he's honestly a better hitter than him. He can't play the OF like M Gone can but if this move pushes McNeil to the OF making him a super sub there as well, it effectively does add more options all over just like MGone would have.
would actually take care of a lot of the duplication. Not sure if he'd be better in CF than Nimmo or Conforto, but all 3 of them are athletic enough that it shouldn't kill you.
Then you've got Lowrie + Frazier + Davis + Alonso filling 3b/1b. With both Davis & Alonso having options left I believe.
Dom Smith is definitely running out of places to play (other than Cuse).
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A word about Jed Lowrie: Successful baseball teams don't worry about positional "fit" nearly as much as you might think. They seek out the best available talent and try to amass as much of it as possible and then figure out how to deploy it. Just look at the '17 and '18 Dodgers.
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Lol, yeah. That and a $250 million payroll.
Dumb statement.
looks pretty close - probably swap in Frazier or Davis at 1b to start
with Alonso at AAA. Frazier seems to be the better defender than Lowrie at 3b, so maybe Lowrie plays some 1st? Would make sense to get him time there so he can platoon with anyone in the IF.
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#Mets view Lowrie as their 2nd hole hitterwill play around INF. If Alonso struggles,Frazier plays 1st, Lowrie plays 3rd; Cano days off plays 2nd; Rosario days off plays SS; McNeil becomes extra OF.Mets eliminating rosters ifsone by oneadded lineup length and better balance.
it's an interesting signing and he's a good player
still think the money may have been better spent on Robertson or Miller, but the depth of position players is impressive. Only concern is there's theoretically a lot riding on Callaway's roster usage, but hopefully the FO will be helping him with that.
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A word about Jed Lowrie: Successful baseball teams don't worry about positional "fit" nearly as much as you might think. They seek out the best available talent and try to amass as much of it as possible and then figure out how to deploy it. Just look at the '17 and '18 Dodgers.
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Lol, yeah. That and a $250 million payroll.
Dumb statement.
I mean..Mets should have a $200M+ payroll so it's not that dumb..
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Hard to say anything but positive things about this deal. Mets are a better team and addressed a weakness while protecting themselves in case McNeil regresses, Frazier struggles or Alonso doesn't hit the ground running.
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Hard to say anything but positive things about this deal. Mets are a better team and addressed a weakness while protecting themselves in case McNeil regresses, Frazier struggles or Alonso doesn't hit the ground running.
Yeah to be clear this deal is fine .it just doesn't absolve them of the ridiculousness that is their lack of spending on premier free agents.
Only thing that's left is to shed Frazier, Lagares, and Vargas...
Lowrie has really been a better hitter, and especially 2 hitter than Pollock too.
Marwin is 5 years younger than Lowrie though.
Sure but is he "that good"? Looks like a guy that had one outlier offensive year and a hot half last year. I like him and he offers versatility but this basically gave us the same thing with more offense. If Cespedes returns half way into the season, MGone was likely going to get benched anyway. Lowrie was worth more than Nimmo last year. And he's coming off back to back amazing seasons. Some guys put it together later in their careers and that seems to be the case for Lowrie.
I don't like McNeil being blocked by Lowrie and Cano.
But I do see the logic in trying to assemble a whole bunch of guys who can play, have competition, keep the best guys and get rid of the other guys, one way or another.
Also: Don't underestimate the importance of having a solid AAA club. It's important to the development of the young guys that they be in a winning environment;
it's important to the new Syracuse Mets affiliate. Having a competitive team matters to the Syracuse fans and the local management. New affiliate, new relationship, make nice with them. Part of the point of moving the Mets' farm teams to Binghamton and Syracuse is to build out the fan base;
and the AAA squad is depth for the big league squad. So if this forces some decent guys down to the minors, or gives the Mets the luxury of keeping guys in AAA a little longer, that works for them too.
Then Davis, Dom, Rivera, Alonso, and maybe even Guillorme or Cecchini competing for the final 1 or 2 spots. No issue with any of these guys having to earn their spot on the roster. Don't love the idea of Mcneil potentially getting lost in the shuffle.
and based on what the beats are reporting they are going to shift him to the OF predominantly which I really don't hate, at least for now. If injuries hit, or Cespedes returns, maybe he can go back to the IF more later and hopefully Frazier is off the team by then.
Then Davis, Dom, Rivera, Alonso, and maybe even Guillorme or Cecchini competing for the final 1 or 2 spots. No issue with any of these guys having to earn their spot on the roster. Don't love the idea of Mcneil potentially getting lost in the shuffle.
Dilson Herrera still only 24 and might be finally getting healthy. Liriano, Davis, Blanco.. all guys looking to throw down for spots in ST. Im ready!
But as someone mentioned this seems like 20 miller that would have been better served on Robertson due to impact on Mcniel. This shows me that 1) they dont believe in McNeil and 2) and small miniscule hope that Mets were secretly in on Harper are now completely squashed.
McNeil is going to be in AAA again
Hes a solid player who I like but why bury McNeil?
Hes a solid player who I like but why bury McNeil?
Its 2 years and 10M total.
Lowrie is a nice player -- hopefully last year wasn't a lightbulb burning bright before it blows -- 34 is not young in a post-PED age.
Mets envision Lowrie playing every day, with his flexibility allowing them some better matchups elsewhere on the diamond. Lowrie's good from both sides of the plate, and he can also back up Rosario at SS.
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If Lowrie stays healthy, this is an absurdly good deal for the Mets. I have questions about where everyone plays, though.
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Sounded like they were already gearing up for McNeil to start out as a super sub and that included LF/RF. You can easily shift Nimmo to CF, play McNeil in a corner, and still have two gold glove caliber players backing them all up on the bench.
Does make you wonder if there's another move coming because they can't possibly have enough at bats for all these guys.
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Mets also are willing to use McNeil in the outfield so there could be at-bats there if Alonso thrives and Mets use Frazier/Lowrie as the infielders.
Does make you wonder if there's another move coming because they can't possibly have enough at bats for all these guys.
Hopefully the odd man out is Frazier!
Yeah was just saying something similar. I like Marwin but think some team will overpay. This is a sweet deal for us.
Then you've got Lowrie + Frazier + Davis + Alonso filling 3b/1b. With both Davis & Alonso having options left I believe.
Dom Smith is definitely running out of places to play (other than Cuse).
2.) Lowrie 3B
3.) Cano 2B
4.) Conforto RF
5.) Ramos C
6.) McNeil LF
7.) Alonso 1B
8.) Rosario SS
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Lol, yeah. That and a $250 million payroll.
Dumb statement.
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..but I guess they weren't Brodie's clients, seems like a prerequisite for him..so no chance..
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Lol, yeah. That and a $250 million payroll.
Dumb statement.
I mean..Mets should have a $200M+ payroll so it's not that dumb..
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Hard to say anything but positive things about this deal. Mets are a better team and addressed a weakness while protecting themselves in case McNeil regresses, Frazier struggles or Alonso doesn't hit the ground running.
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Hard to say anything but positive things about this deal. Mets are a better team and addressed a weakness while protecting themselves in case McNeil regresses, Frazier struggles or Alonso doesn't hit the ground running.
Yeah to be clear this deal is fine .it just doesn't absolve them of the ridiculousness that is their lack of spending on premier free agents.
159 wins.
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159 wins.
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bullpen still too thin. otherwise that would work.
159 wins.
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Shoot for the stars - 162-0, baby!
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159 wins.
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bullpen still too thin. otherwise that would work.
lol. ok. Sign Otto too then.
Marwin is 5 years younger than Lowrie though.
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Lowrie has really been a better hitter, and especially 2 hitter than Pollock too.
Marwin is 5 years younger than Lowrie though.
Sure but is he "that good"? Looks like a guy that had one outlier offensive year and a hot half last year. I like him and he offers versatility but this basically gave us the same thing with more offense. If Cespedes returns half way into the season, MGone was likely going to get benched anyway. Lowrie was worth more than Nimmo last year. And he's coming off back to back amazing seasons. Some guys put it together later in their careers and that seems to be the case for Lowrie.
Also: Don't underestimate the importance of having a solid AAA club. It's important to the development of the young guys that they be in a winning environment;
it's important to the new Syracuse Mets affiliate. Having a competitive team matters to the Syracuse fans and the local management. New affiliate, new relationship, make nice with them. Part of the point of moving the Mets' farm teams to Binghamton and Syracuse is to build out the fan base;
and the AAA squad is depth for the big league squad. So if this forces some decent guys down to the minors, or gives the Mets the luxury of keeping guys in AAA a little longer, that works for them too.
2 pure CF options (Lagares, Broxton)
3 1b/3b options (Lowrie, McNeil, Frazier)
1 backup catcher
= 11 locks
Then Davis, Dom, Rivera, Alonso, and maybe even Guillorme or Cecchini competing for the final 1 or 2 spots. No issue with any of these guys having to earn their spot on the roster. Don't love the idea of Mcneil potentially getting lost in the shuffle.
2 pure CF options (Lagares, Broxton)
3 1b/3b options (Lowrie, McNeil, Frazier)
1 backup catcher
= 11 locks
Then Davis, Dom, Rivera, Alonso, and maybe even Guillorme or Cecchini competing for the final 1 or 2 spots. No issue with any of these guys having to earn their spot on the roster. Don't love the idea of Mcneil potentially getting lost in the shuffle.
Dilson Herrera still only 24 and might be finally getting healthy. Liriano, Davis, Blanco.. all guys looking to throw down for spots in ST. Im ready!