I’m supposed to be excited about a 34 yr old utility guy? There are impact franchise changing players out there. And their division rivals are going all in on those players.
The Mets have acquired three players on the wrong side of 30. Have a party.
a generational talent right in their prime. It's not going to happen. Worse, at least one, if not both, of those players are going to head to division rivals. The Wilpons should be ashamed of themselves.
With that out of the way, we can still have a good offseason and have a team to be excited about in 2019. The team is already interesting. Making all the moves we've made so far and not fortifying the starting rotation/pen with another quality arm wouldn't make sense. Please don't cheap out and get a scrub like Tomlin because Holland wants another $750K-2M. Finish the job.
I’m supposed to be excited about a 34 yr old utility guy? There are impact franchise changing players out there. And their division rivals are going all in on those players.
The Mets have acquired three players on the wrong side of 30. Have a party.
and I agree I will beat this dead horse (Machado/Harper) until it's entrails fall out of it's dead rotting body (it infuriates me that much).
As I said before I do think the Mets are a better team going in to 2019 than they were going in to 2018.
So they have improved. at least on paper.
They can't be done though.
need another legit starter, not an innings eater like Vargas, but a legit starter - hate to sound like a broken record, but the Mets should emphasize and protect the strength of them (starting pitching)
add another bullpen arm
not sure CF is solved yet.
do those three things and I feel (without injury hell) the Mets can contend for the division (pending any moves by othe NL East teams). And contending for the division should be the goal, not contending for he wild card.
Wright off it. I don’t see a ton more signings unless they are minor league/ depth types. There’s only one guy you can cut, and I won’t leave sleep over, Rhame. So that’s not a lot of wiggle room. Do we really want to discard Dom/TJ Rivera types? I don’t.
For the right player? Sure, but I can understand trying to get a Holland on a minor league deal. We’ll add some more depth, even if it isn’t that exciting.
Hopefully they do get a deal on one more bigger pen arm and swap Rhame’s spot out.
the fact that he was still here showed such a failure of imagination across the board. Bruce coming back too, but I honestly didn't believe that was more than smoke and mirrors until it happened.
BVW is definitely the creative and active GM we were begging for all those years. Whether or not he can evaluate young well, draft well, etc. remains to be seen but he gets an A+ for creativity.
Wright off it. I don’t see a ton more signings unless they are minor league/ depth types. There’s only one guy you can cut, and I won’t leave sleep over, Rhame. So that’s not a lot of wiggle room. Do we really want to discard Dom/TJ Rivera types? I don’t.
For the right player? Sure, but I can understand trying to get a Holland on a minor league deal. We’ll add some more depth, even if it isn’t that exciting.
Hopefully they do get a deal on one more bigger pen arm and swap Rhame’s spot out.
Drew Gagnon can go c'mon lol
They have DeGrom, Thor, Wheeler, Matz, Vargas, Dowdy, Lockett, Santiago + Flexen and Lugo. Gagnon can be removed without a second thought. If you're talking about Derek Holland there is a 0% chance he takes a minor league deal c'mon lol
Wright off it. I don’t see a ton more signings unless they are minor league/ depth types. There’s only one guy you can cut, and I won’t leave sleep over, Rhame. So that’s not a lot of wiggle room. Do we really want to discard Dom/TJ Rivera types? I don’t.
For the right player? Sure, but I can understand trying to get a Holland on a minor league deal. We’ll add some more depth, even if it isn’t that exciting.
Hopefully they do get a deal on one more bigger pen arm and swap Rhame’s spot out.
Gagnon? Flexen? I think those 3 + trading Dom are easy calls.
Holland would drive us bonkers so I'll pass there. He's 34. Last 2 seasons 5.0 BB/9. He was so bad with St. Louis they ate 14 million to dump him. Velocity is way down from his peak. Steamer thinks he's shot. They can do better.
reminder, Drew Gagnon had a 5.74 FIP as a Met during his time in the bigs. He's 29 in June. He's not even legit SP depth. I didn't even mention Oswalt in the above comment. Gagnon is probably 9th on the depth chart and sucks.
Brach would make a lot of sense to me, Shawn Kelley too Â
don't think either gets much more than Parker got, Brach had a good 2nd half in Atlanta and still only 32. His velocity was down first half but went back up with Atlanta. And he's from the area. Cody Allen also obviously interesting, his velocity was down a little last year (results too) but knows Callaway and has more upside.
is that he's a little swarzak'y. But honestly, if Swarzak was a FA right now getting him on a 1 year deal that low would be a good risk bc there's upside if he bounces back. Even at his price Swarzak wasn't the negative value contract Bruce was unless they hated him in the lockerroom or something.
RE: the only thing with Parker (who at that price is great no matter what) Â
is that he's a little swarzak'y. But honestly, if Swarzak was a FA right now getting him on a 1 year deal that low would be a good risk bc there's upside if he bounces back. Even at his price Swarzak wasn't the negative value contract Bruce was unless they hated him in the lockerroom or something.
Eric,
Swarzak's 2017 was WAY out of wack for the rest of his career. Parker career 10.27 k/9. I don't really see the comparison honestly. Parker HAS shown MLB ability. Career 3.60 FIP over 229 appearances, Swarzak 4.15 6.6 k/9.
is that he's a little swarzak'y. But honestly, if Swarzak was a FA right now getting him on a 1 year deal that low would be a good risk bc there's upside if he bounces back. Even at his price Swarzak wasn't the negative value contract Bruce was unless they hated him in the lockerroom or something.
Eric,
Swarzak's 2017 was WAY out of wack for the rest of his career. Parker career 10.27 k/9. I don't really see the comparison honestly. Parker HAS shown MLB ability. Career 3.60 FIP over 229 appearances, Swarzak 4.15 6.6 k/9.
No disagreement - like I said a little swarzaky. Not an exact replica. Only meant that he's a typical up and down reliever.
Him and Gagnon are guys who should not play for any MLB team with hopes of contending.
Oswalt is on the 40 man. As are Dowdy, Lockett and Flexen so Gagnon doesn't need to be here.
So there's plenty of fat there easily cut if we cna bring in upgrades.
IMO, I like Flexen the best of that bunch.
Would like to see him get some time in Syracuse to face AAA hitters outside of the PCL. Had 50 really nice AA innings in 2017 and proceeded to get completely rocked in MLB and not great in AAA last year either. Sort of guy that you maybe hold on to for one more year if you have space before cutting loose.
can't immediately identify another Parker but you will never hear me ripping the Mets for giving out 1 year deals at 3-4 million. It's legit zero risk. Parker represents that. We can only dream a guy like Bashlor ends up being a guy we want to give 3 million to.
they should have space for Flexen - if you told me they had $15m left Â
I'd sign Brach for let's say 5m and I'd sign a lefty starter like Holland/Miley/Gio on a 1 year $8-10m. Gagnon would be the first guy off the island and Rhame or Oswalt second.
Then I'd invite Blevins and veteran catcher to ST.
That would complete a good offseason and make it grade A in my book.
love that off-season (all things considered). Holland would be my favorite of the 3 you named (mainly because of curiosity over if the huge K spike is legit).
Off topic but I was having a conversation with someone "in the know" and I was saying I was interested in how guys like Rhame, Callahan etc do year 2 and he was saying unfortunately the track record of these older RP's who throw hard and come up and are HITTABLE shows that usually that's a death knell. That velocity alone should make hitters who haven't seen these guys uncomfortable and if they are seeing the ball well then... it's likely not going to change. So a guy like Flexen.. might just be a minor leaguer. A guy like Wahl.. might just be a minor leaguer.
Forgot he was on the 40. I wouldn’t toss away Flexen or Oswalt though and they clearly see something in Dowdy they like.
I'd dump either one if they needed to but Gagnon, Rhame, Peterson and Sewald would all go (for me) over Flexen or Oswalt. Flexen and Oswalt are just bodies. I'd keep them over the 4 I named but they aren't going to be missed.
I'd sign Brach for let's say 5m and I'd sign a lefty starter like Holland/Miley/Gio on a 1 year $8-10m. Gagnon would be the first guy off the island and Rhame or Oswalt second.
Then I'd invite Blevins and veteran catcher to ST.
That would complete a good offseason and make it grade A in my book.
Sign me up and that sounds completely reasonable and doable.
i know it's just a couple games but he got tagged in the playoffs last year for atlanta and for his career he's had pretty obvious R/L splits. Warren has been strong against lefties, he can go multi-innings, and we know he's pitched well on winning teams. There's a value in Brach having closed out games too so either way I'd be fine. Shawn Kelley is another option in the same mold.
Does anyone think TJ Rivera or Gavin Cechhhini could be in jeopardy?
That's a lot of duplication in the infield.
Maybe for a 4th catcher if TDA can't open the season on time or when the injury happens between Ramos or TDA
Yes they are on the outside looking in, but I don't think either has much value. Both probably have considerably less value than Plawecki had, so I don't think they are bringing back any more than some other teams Chris Flexen or Gagnon. May as well see what they have in ST. On the other hand Dom Smith should have more value than Plawecki had, the return from JD Davis is probably close to what Smith should be worth, whether or not the mets are willing to take a package of low level minor leaguers is another question.
in the past few days referencing that scouts really like what they are seeing from Miley in his offseason bullpens.
He could make a quality #5/swingman for either of the NY teams at a reasonable price.
Agreed. I'd like to see the Mets sign 1 of the lefty veterans to compete with Vargas for that exact role with the loser going to the pen as long man/swing man. Then let Gsellman + someone else handle the 7th. Familia + Lugo the 8th. Diaz the 9th.
Does anyone think TJ Rivera or Gavin Cechhhini could be in jeopardy?
That's a lot of duplication in the infield.
Maybe for a 4th catcher if TDA can't open the season on time or when the injury happens between Ramos or TDA
Yes they are on the outside looking in, but I don't think either has much value. Both probably have considerably less value than Plawecki had, so I don't think they are bringing back any more than some other teams Chris Flexen or Gagnon. May as well see what they have in ST. On the other hand Dom Smith should have more value than Plawecki had, the return from JD Davis is probably close to what Smith should be worth, whether or not the mets are willing to take a package of low level minor leaguers is another question.
I meant to be DFA-d, not necessarily traded, though I think both Rivera and Cecchini have c-level prospect value on a team with no infield depth.
Rivera can hit and Cecchini has a 1st round pedigree which might not be completely used up.
Maybe a AAAA OFer or pitcher.
i'd just keep both for depth - pretty sure Cecchini has options Â
i still think he may have a chance to turn into a player not that different from Lowrie, he's never really gotten a chance and last year he got bad luck with the injuries after a good spring. I'd like to see both him and Guillorme get a chance in AAA for a little before Gimenez gets there.
Rivera is a bat off the bench who can make contact. He could be decent at that or Eric Campbell part 2. I'd cut him before Cecchini if he can't go back to the minors. But I could also see him earning a bench spot early in the year - especially if they want to get JD Davis at bats every day.
RE: i'd just keep both for depth - pretty sure Cecchini has options Â
i still think he may have a chance to turn into a player not that different from Lowrie, he's never really gotten a chance and last year he got bad luck with the injuries after a good spring. I'd like to see both him and Guillorme get a chance in AAA for a little before Gimenez gets there.
Rivera is a bat off the bench who can make contact. He could be decent at that or Eric Campbell part 2. I'd cut him before Cecchini if he can't go back to the minors. But I could also see him earning a bench spot early in the year - especially if they want to get JD Davis at bats every day.
I'm just saying if you need a 40-man spot, that's where I'd look (Cecchini or Rivera) after the pitchers already named.
There seems to be a glut right now of middle infielders.
And that doesn't even consider Gimenez should start in AAA (?) and not be far away and if he came up would need to play every day.
And there is depth behind Gimenez in the distance (middle infield is probably the organization strength right now)
RE: i'd just keep both for depth - pretty sure Cecchini has options Â
i still think he may have a chance to turn into a player not that different from Lowrie, he's never really gotten a chance and last year he got bad luck with the injuries after a good spring. I'd like to see both him and Guillorme get a chance in AAA for a little before Gimenez gets there.
Rivera is a bat off the bench who can make contact. He could be decent at that or Eric Campbell part 2. I'd cut him before Cecchini if he can't go back to the minors. But I could also see him earning a bench spot early in the year - especially if they want to get JD Davis at bats every day.
We have a number of pitchers like Gagnon, Rhame, etc. that I would dump off the 40 man if we need space before looking at moving Rivera or Cecchini. Personally I prefer Cecchini if he is out of the funk that he was in last year because in an emergency he can play SS. Rivera can hit, but fielding is an issue. Perhaps in Spring Training some team has an issue with a player being out of options, but could use someone like Cecchini or Rivera and that makes the conversation easier.
Be sarcastic all you want. You have your opinion I have mine. The Mets clearly agree with you but the Mets also haven't won a WS in over 32 years.
And Harper I'm less interested in, though OF is a weakness, than Machado.
I’m supposed to be excited about a 34 yr old utility guy? There are impact franchise changing players out there. And their division rivals are going all in on those players.
The Mets have acquired three players on the wrong side of 30. Have a party.
Oh, LOL, I thought so. too bad you or I don't own the team.
I bet BVW would like to add Machado or Harper too if it was an option.
With that out of the way, we can still have a good offseason and have a team to be excited about in 2019. The team is already interesting. Making all the moves we've made so far and not fortifying the starting rotation/pen with another quality arm wouldn't make sense. Please don't cheap out and get a scrub like Tomlin because Holland wants another $750K-2M. Finish the job.
I’m supposed to be excited about a 34 yr old utility guy? There are impact franchise changing players out there. And their division rivals are going all in on those players.
The Mets have acquired three players on the wrong side of 30. Have a party.
Lol. A 5 WAR player. Nice utility player.
As I said before I do think the Mets are a better team going in to 2019 than they were going in to 2018.
So they have improved. at least on paper.
They can't be done though.
need another legit starter, not an innings eater like Vargas, but a legit starter - hate to sound like a broken record, but the Mets should emphasize and protect the strength of them (starting pitching)
add another bullpen arm
not sure CF is solved yet.
do those three things and I feel (without injury hell) the Mets can contend for the division (pending any moves by othe NL East teams). And contending for the division should be the goal, not contending for he wild card.
Texas remains the most obvious partner on a Frazier trade. They have multiple "extra" pieces + Minor #Mets
For the right player? Sure, but I can understand trying to get a Holland on a minor league deal. We’ll add some more depth, even if it isn’t that exciting.
Hopefully they do get a deal on one more bigger pen arm and swap Rhame’s spot out.
BVW is definitely the creative and active GM we were begging for all those years. Whether or not he can evaluate young well, draft well, etc. remains to be seen but he gets an A+ for creativity.
For the right player? Sure, but I can understand trying to get a Holland on a minor league deal. We’ll add some more depth, even if it isn’t that exciting.
Hopefully they do get a deal on one more bigger pen arm and swap Rhame’s spot out.
Drew Gagnon can go c'mon lol
They have DeGrom, Thor, Wheeler, Matz, Vargas, Dowdy, Lockett, Santiago + Flexen and Lugo. Gagnon can be removed without a second thought. If you're talking about Derek Holland there is a 0% chance he takes a minor league deal c'mon lol
For the right player? Sure, but I can understand trying to get a Holland on a minor league deal. We’ll add some more depth, even if it isn’t that exciting.
Hopefully they do get a deal on one more bigger pen arm and swap Rhame’s spot out.
Gagnon? Flexen? I think those 3 + trading Dom are easy calls.
Eric,
Swarzak's 2017 was WAY out of wack for the rest of his career. Parker career 10.27 k/9. I don't really see the comparison honestly. Parker HAS shown MLB ability. Career 3.60 FIP over 229 appearances, Swarzak 4.15 6.6 k/9.
Oswalt is on the 40 man. As are Dowdy, Lockett and Flexen so Gagnon doesn't need to be here.
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is that he's a little swarzak'y. But honestly, if Swarzak was a FA right now getting him on a 1 year deal that low would be a good risk bc there's upside if he bounces back. Even at his price Swarzak wasn't the negative value contract Bruce was unless they hated him in the lockerroom or something.
Eric,
Swarzak's 2017 was WAY out of wack for the rest of his career. Parker career 10.27 k/9. I don't really see the comparison honestly. Parker HAS shown MLB ability. Career 3.60 FIP over 229 appearances, Swarzak 4.15 6.6 k/9.
No disagreement - like I said a little swarzaky. Not an exact replica. Only meant that he's a typical up and down reliever.
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Him and Gagnon are guys who should not play for any MLB team with hopes of contending.
Oswalt is on the 40 man. As are Dowdy, Lockett and Flexen so Gagnon doesn't need to be here.
So there's plenty of fat there easily cut if we cna bring in upgrades.
IMO, I like Flexen the best of that bunch.
Would like to see him get some time in Syracuse to face AAA hitters outside of the PCL. Had 50 really nice AA innings in 2017 and proceeded to get completely rocked in MLB and not great in AAA last year either. Sort of guy that you maybe hold on to for one more year if you have space before cutting loose.
Then I'd invite Blevins and veteran catcher to ST.
That would complete a good offseason and make it grade A in my book.
Off topic but I was having a conversation with someone "in the know" and I was saying I was interested in how guys like Rhame, Callahan etc do year 2 and he was saying unfortunately the track record of these older RP's who throw hard and come up and are HITTABLE shows that usually that's a death knell. That velocity alone should make hitters who haven't seen these guys uncomfortable and if they are seeing the ball well then... it's likely not going to change. So a guy like Flexen.. might just be a minor leaguer. A guy like Wahl.. might just be a minor leaguer.
I'd dump either one if they needed to but Gagnon, Rhame, Peterson and Sewald would all go (for me) over Flexen or Oswalt. Flexen and Oswalt are just bodies. I'd keep them over the 4 I named but they aren't going to be missed.
Who is missing?
Mets 40 man - ( New Window )
Who is missing? Mets 40 man - ( New Window )
Lowrie makes 40.
Who is missing? Mets 40 man - ( New Window )
Lowrie.
Then I'd invite Blevins and veteran catcher to ST.
That would complete a good offseason and make it grade A in my book.
Sign me up and that sounds completely reasonable and doable.
lol
He could make a quality #5/swingman for either of the NY teams at a reasonable price.
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39 on the 40 man without Wright on mlb.om
Who is missing? Mets 40 man - ( New Window )
Lowrie, of course.
Does anyone think TJ Rivera or Gavin Cechhhini could be in jeopardy?
That's a lot of duplication in the infield.
Maybe for a 4th catcher if TDA can't open the season on time or when the injury happens between Ramos or TDA
Lowrie makes 40.
Does anyone think TJ Rivera or Gavin Cechhhini could be in jeopardy?
That's a lot of duplication in the infield.
Maybe for a 4th catcher if TDA can't open the season on time or when the injury happens between Ramos or TDA
Does anyone think TJ Rivera or Gavin Cechhhini could be in jeopardy?
That's a lot of duplication in the infield.
Maybe for a 4th catcher if TDA can't open the season on time or when the injury happens between Ramos or TDA
Yes they are on the outside looking in, but I don't think either has much value. Both probably have considerably less value than Plawecki had, so I don't think they are bringing back any more than some other teams Chris Flexen or Gagnon. May as well see what they have in ST. On the other hand Dom Smith should have more value than Plawecki had, the return from JD Davis is probably close to what Smith should be worth, whether or not the mets are willing to take a package of low level minor leaguers is another question.
He could make a quality #5/swingman for either of the NY teams at a reasonable price.
Agreed. I'd like to see the Mets sign 1 of the lefty veterans to compete with Vargas for that exact role with the loser going to the pen as long man/swing man. Then let Gsellman + someone else handle the 7th. Familia + Lugo the 8th. Diaz the 9th.
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Does anyone think TJ Rivera or Gavin Cechhhini could be in jeopardy?
That's a lot of duplication in the infield.
Maybe for a 4th catcher if TDA can't open the season on time or when the injury happens between Ramos or TDA
Yes they are on the outside looking in, but I don't think either has much value. Both probably have considerably less value than Plawecki had, so I don't think they are bringing back any more than some other teams Chris Flexen or Gagnon. May as well see what they have in ST. On the other hand Dom Smith should have more value than Plawecki had, the return from JD Davis is probably close to what Smith should be worth, whether or not the mets are willing to take a package of low level minor leaguers is another question.
I meant to be DFA-d, not necessarily traded, though I think both Rivera and Cecchini have c-level prospect value on a team with no infield depth.
Rivera can hit and Cecchini has a 1st round pedigree which might not be completely used up.
Maybe a AAAA OFer or pitcher.
Rivera is a bat off the bench who can make contact. He could be decent at that or Eric Campbell part 2. I'd cut him before Cecchini if he can't go back to the minors. But I could also see him earning a bench spot early in the year - especially if they want to get JD Davis at bats every day.
Rivera is a bat off the bench who can make contact. He could be decent at that or Eric Campbell part 2. I'd cut him before Cecchini if he can't go back to the minors. But I could also see him earning a bench spot early in the year - especially if they want to get JD Davis at bats every day.
I'm just saying if you need a 40-man spot, that's where I'd look (Cecchini or Rivera) after the pitchers already named.
There seems to be a glut right now of middle infielders.
And that doesn't even consider Gimenez should start in AAA (?) and not be far away and if he came up would need to play every day.
And there is depth behind Gimenez in the distance (middle infield is probably the organization strength right now)
Rivera is a bat off the bench who can make contact. He could be decent at that or Eric Campbell part 2. I'd cut him before Cecchini if he can't go back to the minors. But I could also see him earning a bench spot early in the year - especially if they want to get JD Davis at bats every day.
We have a number of pitchers like Gagnon, Rhame, etc. that I would dump off the 40 man if we need space before looking at moving Rivera or Cecchini. Personally I prefer Cecchini if he is out of the funk that he was in last year because in an emergency he can play SS. Rivera can hit, but fielding is an issue. Perhaps in Spring Training some team has an issue with a player being out of options, but could use someone like Cecchini or Rivera and that makes the conversation easier.
to me that's the priority over a 300 million Harper/Machado
Wouldn't mind to see an offer to Wheeler too
Would've loved to see him here but I guess he was outside of our budget. Our starting pitching is still remarkably thin.
Would've loved to see him here but I guess he was outside of our budget. Our starting pitching is still remarkably thin.
agreed - great contract. Miley or Gio would be just as good, hopefully either is available at a similar price.