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Boylhart checks in on Haskins and Murray

Milton : 1/10/2019 9:30 pm
He is a big fan of both...

Dwayne Haskins
Kyle Murray

He has an interesting take on Haskins that I hadn't heard before...
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Dwayne being a pure pocket passer, impacted, improved and raised the level of the players around him for this one season in a system meant for an athletic running quarterback. Iím not suggesting that Dwayne is not a good athlete on the contraryÖ he is more than adequate but because of his ability and confidence to release the ball quickly his mental makeup is to play from the pocket. His college coaches really were not prepared nor did they want to, change on their offensive system to his strengths so, if Dwayne wanted to play he had to improve his weaknesses to fit their system instead of them fitting the offense to his strengths and naturals abilities.

Haskins represents a lot of the things Gettleman warned against last year, so if he selects him, he's either a bigtime liar/hypocrite or Haskins wowed him in interviews and on the board.

p.s.--Boylhart also loves DL Christian Wilkins.
Milton  
Anakim : 1/10/2019 9:33 pm : link
I was just imagining how ecstatic you must've been when you read those Rosen to NYG rumors...well, really speculation.
RE: Milton  
Jay on the Island : 1/10/2019 9:35 pm : link
In comment 14257712 Anakim said:
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I was just imagining how ecstatic you must've been when you read those Rosen to NYG rumors...well, really speculation.

I was thinking the same thing. Milton was Rosen's biggest supporter last year.
RE: Milton  
Milton : 1/10/2019 9:37 pm : link
In comment 14257712 Anakim said:
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I was just imagining how ecstatic you must've been when you read those Rosen to NYG rumors...well, really speculation.
As you said, it's speculation--not rumor--and silly speculation at that, so nothing to get excited about. I had actually mentioned the possibility early-season when Arizona was looking like they were gonna have the first pick and Justin Herbert was still part of the equation. If Arizona is gonna take a QB with the first pick, it won't be Murray.
Milton,  
robbieballs2003 : 1/10/2019 9:38 pm : link
What do you mean that if we drafted Haskins then Gettleman is a liar? I am mot understanding what you are talking about.
Yeah, Milton, quit sandbagging...  
bw in dc : 1/10/2019 9:39 pm : link
BBI with these misdirection topics like Boylhart on Haskins.

How high did you tip the euphoria-meter when you heard the Rosen rumors?
Wow he  
cokeduplt : 1/10/2019 9:43 pm : link
Compares Wilkins to Reggie White!!
Question  
Leg of Theismann : 1/10/2019 9:45 pm : link
If we draft either Murray or Haskins, any chance we bring either number #1 or #7 out of retirement? #1 hasn't been worn in 85 years... haven't we paid enough tribute? If we drafted Murray I would just love to see him wearing #1 in blue (and red).
RE: Milton,  
Milton : 1/10/2019 9:46 pm : link
In comment 14257719 robbieballs2003 said:
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What do you mean that if we drafted Haskins then Gettleman is a liar? I am mot understanding what you are talking about.
Well it would be more the case of being a hypocrite, although it would be considered lying if he knew he was bullshitting at the time he waxed on about the evils of taking a QB early who hadn't played in a pro style offense or taken any snaps under center. But there's also the possibility that he stands by those statements, but claims Haskins had alleviated all those fears via interviews, workouts, and chalkboard challenges.

I'm neither for nor against selecting Haskins at this point. I need to do more of a deep dive into his games, etc. I trust Gettleman was being sincere when he went down his list of fears when it came to spending a 1st round pick on a QB, so if he were to select Haskins, he must've been greatly impressed by interviews and the limited game film he studied.
I don't remember Gettleman saying he wouldn't draft a guy  
robbieballs2003 : 1/10/2019 9:48 pm : link
early who didn't play in a pro style offense or take snaps from under center. That is a concern for every team but that is why you do your homework. I think you are twisting what he said.
RE: Yeah, Milton, quit sandbagging...  
Milton : 1/10/2019 9:49 pm : link
In comment 14257721 bw in dc said:
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BBI with these misdirection topics like Boylhart on Haskins.

How high did you tip the euphoria-meter when you heard the Rosen rumors?
My excitement would've been greater had they been rumors and not people connecting some random dots in order to get clicks. The Cardinals aren't going to give up on Rosen for Murray. It's more likely they do it for Haskins, but I still don't see it. And as speculation goes, it's not speculation that is new to me. I've been way ahead of the curve on this one since it first became likely that the Cards would have the first pick. At the time it was Herbert who I thought they might fall in love with.
RE: I don't remember Gettleman saying he wouldn't draft a guy  
McNally's_Nuts : 1/10/2019 9:50 pm : link
In comment 14257742 robbieballs2003 said:
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early who didn't play in a pro style offense or take snaps from under center. That is a concern for every team but that is why you do your homework. I think you are twisting what he said.


Twisting?

Heís tying himself in knots doing this.
RE: I don't remember Gettleman saying he wouldn't draft a guy  
Milton : 1/10/2019 9:51 pm : link
In comment 14257742 robbieballs2003 said:
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early who didn't play in a pro style offense or take snaps from under center. That is a concern for every team but that is why you do your homework. I think you are twisting what he said.
Everything is a concern for every team but he seemed to make a point of it when talking about last year's group of QBs. The higher up you are in the draft, the riskier a proposition it is.
Who doesnt like Wilkins  
Jim Bur(n)t : 1/10/2019 9:52 pm : link
Reminds me of Sapp.

We are def in an interesting slot (good) for this draft.
RE: Wow he  
bw in dc : 1/10/2019 9:53 pm : link
In comment 14257731 cokeduplt said:
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Compares Wilkins to Reggie White!!


Makes sense. Wilkins has 16 career sacks at Clemson. White had 15 sacks his senior year at Tennessee.
RE: RE: I don't remember Gettleman saying he wouldn't draft a guy  
Milton : 1/10/2019 9:57 pm : link
In comment 14257748 McNally's_Nuts said:
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In comment 14257742 robbieballs2003 said:


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early who didn't play in a pro style offense or take snaps from under center. That is a concern for every team but that is why you do your homework. I think you are twisting what he said.



Twisting?

Heís tying himself in knots doing this.
Maybe when I was younger I could tie myself in knots, but I can barely touch my toes these days. So twisting it is!
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Wilkins is a solid pick  
markky : 1/10/2019 9:59 pm : link
won the William V Campbell trophy for scholar athletes, smart solid character.

we will definitely come away with a player this draft.
RE: Who doesnt like Wilkins  
cokeduplt : 1/10/2019 10:01 pm : link
In comment 14257750 Jim Bur(n)t said:
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Reminds me of Sapp.

We are def in an interesting slot (good) for this draft.


I like Wilkins a lot, but Reggie White is the greatest defensive player Iíve seen outside of LT of course
Wilkins  
WillVAB : 1/10/2019 10:05 pm : link
I donít think itís out of the question heís the pick at 6. Joey in VA said he looks like a DG pick on the game thread and I think thereís merit to that. I certainly like him better than both Williams, Oliver, Haskins, etc.

Wilkins could be an excellent two way 3-4 DE. Heís a winner. Heís a team player ó came back for his senior season when he wouldíve been a first rounder last year. Great personality and team guy ó great for the culture DG is trying to establish.
I really really  
Sammo85 : 1/10/2019 10:14 pm : link
Like Wilkins. I think heís going to be a very good DL in the NFL.

I am intrigued by Rashan Gary and Devin White with their athleticism too but I would go Wilkins for sure at 6. Sign me up.
To me youíre being unfair to Haskins or any player  
djm : 1/10/2019 10:29 pm : link
When you discount their abilities due to his receivers being wide open. You donít want to overrate the qb but you also donít want to underrate him. All these college QBs are going to be throwing to wide open WRs. They will all need to adjust to the pro game. Haskins just looks like a stud to me. Size, arm strength, nice footwork in the pocket...heís a pocket qb who can move a little bit. I kinda like that he hasnít played that much. Meteoric rise with Ohio state. Iím impressed. I always like ohio state players too. I donít know... I think Haskins would look awfully good in giants blue...
Wilkins is not Reggie White or Aaron Donald  
jeff57 : 1/11/2019 5:47 am : link
But heís good. And has the leadership skills of White. Wouldnít be disappointed if Giants took him at 6.
I agree that Wilkins is no Reggie White or Aaron Donald, but  
Ira : 1/11/2019 6:53 am : link
he is, like those two, very quick for a big man. I could see a starting dl with Tomlinson in the middle and Wilkins and Hill on de, with Wilkins spelling Tomlinson in the middle. He'd be a good value pick at 6.
I find it hard to believe  
mdthedream : 1/11/2019 7:13 am : link
a kid throws for 5000 yds 50tds and only 8 ints in a big time college program can't be a NFL QB with his size and skill set. Hell I would say he has done it at a top level at a high rate, so I would feel more comfortable than some of the Qbs drafted last year or this year from smaller schools. Kid looks like the real deal to me.
I thought Wilkins stood  
section125 : 1/11/2019 7:35 am : link
out in that game against Alabama, I was , who the heck is that.
I don't know about Reggie White, but yes he does remind me of Aaron Donald, just a tad slower, but not much.

Not sure about him at #6, but I wouldn't Be upset.
RE: Wow he  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/11/2019 9:53 am : link
In comment 14257731 cokeduplt said:
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Compares Wilkins to Reggie White!!

Boylhart loves hyperbole. I wouldn't put much stock in his comparisons.
i think murray is a stud  
GiantsFan84 : 1/11/2019 4:40 pm : link
would love him at 6
RE: I find it hard to believe  
SaqBar999 : 1/11/2019 6:38 pm : link
In comment 14257922 mdthedream said:
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a kid throws for 5000 yds 50tds and only 8 ints in a big time college program can't be a NFL QB with his size and skill set. Hell I would say he has done it at a top level at a high rate, so I would feel more comfortable than some of the Qbs drafted last year or this year from smaller schools. Kid looks like the real deal to me.



You just quoted college statistics for a QB as a reason for NFL success.

L O L

Casual fan much?
I'd love Wilkins in the 2nd round, but he probably won't last  
Ira : 1/11/2019 6:42 pm : link
that long.
.  
arcarsenal : 1/11/2019 6:42 pm : link
I like Haskins more - I'm starting to really want NYG to take him @ 6 if he's there.
TDN just did a Haskins vs Murray piece.  
Strahan91 : 1/11/2019 6:48 pm : link
Interesting stuff although I'm not sure the writer is properly weighing the height advantage in his overall takeaway.
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RE: RE: I find it hard to believe  
djm : 1/11/2019 7:52 pm : link
In comment 14258951 SaqBar999 said:
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In comment 14257922 mdthedream said:


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a kid throws for 5000 yds 50tds and only 8 ints in a big time college program can't be a NFL QB with his size and skill set. Hell I would say he has done it at a top level at a high rate, so I would feel more comfortable than some of the Qbs drafted last year or this year from smaller schools. Kid looks like the real deal to me.




You just quoted college statistics for a QB as a reason for NFL success.

L O L

Casual fan much?


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