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The Haskins Highlight tape no one is watching.

rasbutant : 1/11/2019 9:08 am
Sorry for the bad joke. I was watching his highlights on youtube and he reminds me of someone I've watched before, but i couldn't put my finger on it until last night.

I admit i haven't watched much Geno Smith outside a Giants uniform. I just went to youtube to watch him in college and i feel like after one video I just watch another Haskins highlight reel.

Anyone one with more knowledge see a little (or a lot) of Geno Smith in Haskins?

Do you agree, disagree???
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they're both  
Pep22 : 1/11/2019 9:18 am : link
African American QBs. Congratulations on drawing that parallel. No other comparison should be made.
Geno  
mdthedream : 1/11/2019 9:19 am : link
was a talented QB coming out of college but he had attitude issues.
not  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 1/11/2019 9:19 am : link
at all
they couldn't be any more different IMO  
UConn4523 : 1/11/2019 9:24 am : link
Geno Smith was an athletic, system QB who failed miserably at reading defenses in the NFL. Haskins is bigger, stronger, and a more capable passer.
Haskin has a much stronger arm, more zip and quicker release  
George from PA : 1/11/2019 9:24 am : link
My concern.....he rarely had pressure. Not sure if he is accurate enough
They're completely different  
crackerjack465 : 1/11/2019 9:37 am : link
One is a mobile QB with an average arm who couldn't read a pre-snap defense

Haskins is a pro style qb who is phenomenal at reading the defense and calling out the blitz pick up calls. There is a reason he was rarely pressured, and it wasn't always Ohio State's line. The line had a lot of injuries this year. He also has a cannon of an arm. Not as fast as Geno.
Maybe its all the time they had in the pocket to throw it.  
rasbutant : 1/11/2019 9:38 am : link
No seriously, its not a put down on Haskins. I've always thought of Geno as having talent, but lacking Football IQ and leadership. But i don't know him well. Just because someone plays the game with a similar style doesn't mean they will have the same results.

When i watch his video i see the deep ball travel the same way, i see a similar quick release, strong arm. Mobile enough, but not someone making highlight after highlight with their feet. The way they stand in the pocket, body language. Smith does look smaller, not as stout.
I see some parallels  
GeorgeAdams33 : 1/11/2019 9:38 am : link
According to wikipedia Smith is 6'-3" 221 while they have Haskins at 6'-3" 218. Neither QB is what you would call a run first/scrambling QB. They both have very strong arms and they trust their arms much more than they do their legs when trying to make a play. Beyond that, I'd have to say that Haskins is likely to be a better locker room presence than Brokejaw Geno any day of the week.
RE: They're completely different  
tyrik13 : 1/11/2019 9:45 am : link
In comment 14258054 crackerjack465 said:
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One is a mobile QB with an average arm who couldn't read a pre-snap defense

Haskins is a pro style qb who is phenomenal at reading the defense and calling out the blitz pick up calls. There is a reason he was rarely pressured, and it wasn't always Ohio State's line. The line had a lot of injuries this year. He also has a cannon of an arm. Not as fast as Geno.


Perfect summary sir
Who are they talking about here.....  
rasbutant : 1/11/2019 9:48 am : link
The Goods

Has great arm strength and isn’t afraid to use it.
Is a very accurate passer
Excellent mechanics, especially with regards to his footwork.
Has enough speed to elude pass rushers but still plays the game like a pure pocket passer. This will lend itself to a long..er and healthy..er career in the NFL.
A work-ethic and competitive nature that separates himself from the other quarterbacks in this class.
Sees the field very well.

The Not so Goods

Played his college ball almost exclusively in the shotgun or pistol formation.
Had an excellent receiving corps, with in itself isn’t a bad thing. It just means that his stats could have been aided greatly as a result, which could be a flag for scouts.
Questionable decision making at times.
Could improve upon his accuracy.
Geno is taller.  
since1925 : 1/11/2019 10:06 am : link
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Geno Smith  
Archer : 1/11/2019 10:26 am : link
I liked Geno coming out of college. I thought he had all the attributes to be a very good pro QB.

It just goes to show that it takes more than the physical talent to be a pro QB.

It is hard to speculate how a player will transition to the pro game.

Haskins has great skills and he reads defenses well. But he has done it in 14 games, 10 of which were against inferior competition.

Is there enough to convince the Giants that Haskins will be a great pro?
How does one determine,  
Doomster : 1/11/2019 11:11 am : link
that a qb can read defenses, until they actually face an NFL defense, that plays the game at a higher level and at a much faster pace, where decisions have to be made instantaneously?

You can look good in college....the NFL is quite a different matter....
RE: Haskin has a much stronger arm, more zip and quicker release  
Deejboy : 1/11/2019 11:15 am : link
In comment 14258040 George from PA said:
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My concern.....he rarely had pressure. Not sure if he is accurate enough

In 590 PA he had a 70% completion percentage for his career facing some of the best competition in football. The NCAA D1 record is Colt Brennan at 70.4% and he played at Hawaii. You can't get more accurate than Haskins.
RE: Maybe its all the time they had in the pocket to throw it.  
Deejboy : 1/11/2019 11:19 am : link
In comment 14258059 rasbutant said:
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No seriously, its not a put down on Haskins. I've always thought of Geno as having talent, but lacking Football IQ and leadership. But i don't know him well. Just because someone plays the game with a similar style doesn't mean they will have the same results.

When i watch his video i see the deep ball travel the same way, i see a similar quick release, strong arm. Mobile enough, but not someone making highlight after highlight with their feet. The way they stand in the pocket, body language. Smith does look smaller, not as stout.

Outside of them being both African-American and around the same size, they don't remotely throw the ball the same way or play QB that same way.
Haskins played D1 football  
Rjanyg : 1/11/2019 11:25 am : link
Wentz played D1AA football. Who played against tougher competition?

The key to Wentz is he played several years as a starter where Haskins only started 1 year.

What is more important? Level of play or number of starts?
Geno..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/11/2019 11:32 am : link
really was never a mobile QB. He preferred to stay in the pocket. His problems related mainly to reading defenses and staying healthy.
RE: they're both  
PatersonPlank : 1/11/2019 11:36 am : link
In comment 14258026 Pep22 said:
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African American QBs. Congratulations on drawing that parallel. No other comparison should be made.


That's really not fair. So now no one can compare two black QB's?
RE: Geno..  
BlueHurricane : 1/11/2019 11:46 am : link
In comment 14258234 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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really was never a mobile QB. He preferred to stay in the pocket. His problems related mainly to reading defenses and staying healthy.


Exactly. And the OP makes a fine comparison. Geno was not a scrambler, was a pocket passer who benefited from his college offense. I'll contend that had he been in a proper situation from day one in the NFL Geno could have been a fine QB. Shame people always have to drag race into a conversation.

I do not love Haskins at 6. I want a bonafide blue chip guy at that number. I'd much rather another year of Eli with better defense and an upgrade at center and RT.

Much more intrigued by Daniel Jones in the 2nd or moving up into the late first if he sticks around.
I think they're definitely similar  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 1/11/2019 11:47 am : link
I do think Haskins has a clear edge in accuracy and reading defenses at the same stage, but he also played with a more talented team and there are still some questions about his accuracy. Him and Geno are very similar from an athletic standpoint, similar size and movement imo.
RE: Haskin has a much stronger arm, more zip and quicker release  
Bramton1 : 1/11/2019 11:54 am : link
In comment 14258040 George from PA said:
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My concern.....he rarely had pressure. Not sure if he is accurate enough


Well, I read that Michigan sent a blitz 75 percent of the time against Ohio State, but Haskins rarely saw pressure. It sounds like reading a defense and adjusting his protection is a strength with this guy.
Better comparison  
SaqBar999 : 1/11/2019 2:37 pm : link
Haskins = Byron Leftwich 2.0

A big sloth who does everything slow.
RE: Better comparison  
Jay on the Island : 1/11/2019 6:43 pm : link
In comment 14258597 SaqBar999 said:
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Haskins = Byron Leftwich 2.0

A big sloth who does everything slow.

While nobody will confuse Haskins for Kyler Murray he is a much better athlete than Leftwich. I see alot of Roethlisberger in Haskins but Haskins is a little faster.

Geno Smith did not fail due to lack of talent. He failed because of a lack of intelligence, inability to properly read defenses, and was lacking in leadership qualities necessary for a starting QB in the NFL.
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arcarsenal : 1/11/2019 6:47 pm : link
I felt like every time I watched Geno @ WVU, he was throwing bubble screens and quick slants.

Haskins' arm impresses me a lot more than Smiths did. Haskins looks to me like a guy who can make all of the throws.

He's a pocket passer. He can move around when he needs to, but no one is going to confuse him with Tyrod Taylor.

This player is growing on me a lot and I'm starting to hope we take him.
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arcarsenal : 1/11/2019 6:49 pm : link
Smith and Haskins are the same size - maybe that's why you're seeing similarities. But as passers, I think Haskins is a better prospect by a fair margin.
Arc  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 1/11/2019 7:57 pm : link
I think you nailed it with Geno throwing a lot more screens and short plays. I think that’s why Haskins’ 70% completion percentage is more impressive than Geno’s 70% rate was, which you can get a glimpse of looking at Haskins’ superior YPA. Haskins seems more advanced in terms of passing variety and deep-intermediate type of pro throws.

But Geno had a pretty strong arm as well and they do look similar when they are moving around because of their similar body types. I think Haskins is a more advanced passer at the same stage but I think Geno is a fair “worst case” scenario for Haskins.
RE: .  
Jay on the Island : 1/11/2019 8:39 pm : link
In comment 14258959 arcarsenal said:
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I felt like every time I watched Geno @ WVU, he was throwing bubble screens and quick slants.

Haskins' arm impresses me a lot more than Smiths did. Haskins looks to me like a guy who can make all of the throws.

He's a pocket passer. He can move around when he needs to, but no one is going to confuse him with Tyrod Taylor.

This player is growing on me a lot and I'm starting to hope we take him.

I saw Geno Smith a few times in college and I never understood the hype. I thought the same when watching Bridgewater and Bortles in college. Bridgewater rarely rthrew deep. The majority of his passes were high percentage short to intermediate throws.
Haskins has an NFL+ arm...  
bw in dc : 1/11/2019 9:04 pm : link
Smith had an average NFL arm.

Haskins can throw the entire route tree with effectiveness. Smith, for example, has nowhere near Haskins's ability to throw outside the hash marks. Further, I would bet Haskins gets considerably more velocity and spin than Smith.

At this early stage of his career, Haskins is way ahead of Smith in pocket presence and understanding.

Frankly, I don't think they are that close as NFL prospects from this point of their college career.

The comparison to Leftwich is lazy. The better comparison to Haskins is maybe Jameis Winston.
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