Signing this guy and Tulo rather than Machado? Yeah, I'd say that's pretty good evidence.
Passing on both Harper and Machado so that they can rummage through Goodwill for reclamation projects and mediocre fill-ins seems shortsighted to me, but who am I to throw stones?
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DJ LeMahieu hit .276/.321/.428 last season with 15 home runs. His addition would give the Yankees a good defensive option at second base should Gleyber Torres need to slot in at short.
but I'm bummed that they're all but out on Machado. Getting a player of his caliber at 26 seems like a no brainer and felt like a foregone conclusion at the start of the offseason.
At this point, they'd really have to deal Andujar to sign Machado - and I think they're content to take what they perceive will be better value from Miggy making far less money right now.
Machado is the better player - no doubt. But for a guy with 30 HR who can hit for average, Andujar's making peanuts makes the overall value better.
They must think he'll improve defensively.
I was hoping they'd ink Machado - but as the offseason has progressed, it's become more and more clear that the Yanks just don't have him in their plans.
It's also not out of the question for Andujar to become a top flight hitter. It's really just a matter of whether or not he can handle being a 3B long-term or if it's going to kill his value to the point where he's got to be moved off.
Bob Nightengale @BNightengale 13s14 seconds ago
The #Whitesox and #Phillies have been aggressive in their interest all winter for Machado while the #Yankees never made an offer.
Bob Nightengale @BNightengale 13s14 seconds ago
The #Whitesox and #Phillies have been aggressive in their interest all winter for Machado while the #Yankees never made an offer.
Yeah, that is a bullshit tweet imo. Supposedly only the White Sox made an offer. Nobody is making a true offer to have it shopped around.
Andujar can hit. I don't think anyone doubts that. But he can't field his position at all and he swings at everything. Maybe he shows some improvement in one or the other, but it's highly unlikely that he improves significantly in both, and unless he does he'll always be a flawed player.
RE: Harper would mean no Machado! Could this mean they are
Plate discipline is obviously an issue - but he's not a super hacker. He struck out under 100 times in about 150 games. That's really not that bad for a guy with his hitting profile.
4.6 oWAR is fantastic - which is where he was at last year.
First,the obvious out of the Machado running But,secondly,the Yankees are saying he's going to be their super sub.Problem with that is he's only played 2B his whole career.So,if he plays,Gleyber gets moved to SS. Gleyber needs to stay at 2B & really learn the position.They jerked him around in the minors,playing him at 3B,SS & 2B. And,DJ's splits for 2018-home-.317;road .229
Andujar can hit. I don't think anyone doubts that. But he can't field his position at all and he swings at everything. Maybe he shows some improvement in one or the other, but it's highly unlikely that he improves significantly in both, and unless he does he'll always be a flawed player.
I've heard he's been in Tampa for a few weeks now working to improve. I like that and kind of solidifies everything I've heard about him being a hard worker who not know is a great teammate but wants to improve and is willing to put in the work.
LeMahieu has been worth $15m-plus per year by FanGraphs metrics for four years running and thats the version of WAR that by *far* likes him the least and here we are again with the overpay stuff.
a decent size contract; not one that's going to sit on the bench more than once a week. I'm more interested in how this effects the infield plan from August thru next season. When Didi comes back are they really going to put a 12 mil player on the bench if Voit is hitting? Is Andujar going to get moved off third (1st or OF?)? Is Didi going to get dealt / not resigned and Torres shifts to SS and Lemahieu to 2B next year? They can say its the Neil Walker role but your not paying a guy 12 mil a year in this free agency climate to play 4 games a week.
I don't like him and don't want to root for him. We all have different preferences as fans but I don't care about winning at all costs. Its fine if you feel different.
but this strikes me as a move primarily to shore up our infield defense...which is a serious question mark going into the season with only a 34 year old Tulo coming off foot problems and Andujar, who we all like but is a bit of a butcher at 3B.
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DJ LeMahieu hit .276/.321/.428 last season with 15 home runs. His addition would give the Yankees a good defensive option at second base should Gleyber Torres need to slot in at short.
I am not sure I agree with this move. Isn't this the kind of player you pick up in February on a make-good one year deal?
DJ has VERY limited experience at 3B and 1B- though he has not played either spot in over 4 years. Thus, he is really only a 2B at this point- albeit a VERY good defensive 2B. The money indicates starter, which would also mean Torres must move off of 2B.
DJ was the primary #2 hole hitter in the Colorado lineup. A good OBP guy might be a good idea in front of Judge, Sanchez and Stanton- but is this the best fit?
We also need to remember that the Yanks had Torres play a lot of 3B, 2B and SS in the minors. He MIGHT be moving to 3B? Defensively, Torres would be an upgrade at 3B, but his mental lapses might hurt there too. His bat is enough there too.
What to do with Andujar then?
I would understand signing Machado, but I am not sure I understand this move as it appears to all but guarantee that one of Torres or Andujar gets traded.
we're probably not going to see many more additions.
Probably not going to see any championships, either.
Honestly, I think it's more about the pitching - we have a championship caliber lineup. There's no way this lineup isn't good enough to win a World Series.
Paxton is the "X" factor in 2019, IMO. Can we get ~175+ innings?
Severino is right there with him - can he fix the pitch tipping and be first half Sevy again?
If both of those questions are answered favorably, we're going to be right back in the mix.
Maybe they'll surprise us with Harper... but I'd be absolutely stunned. I just don't see the fit.
I'll remember all these "good average" "good OBP" posts
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DJ LeMahieu hit .276/.321/.428 last season with 15 home runs. His addition would give the Yankees a good defensive option at second base should Gleyber Torres need to slot in at short.
I am not sure I agree with this move. Isn't this the kind of player you pick up in February on a make-good one year deal?
DJ has VERY limited experience at 3B and 1B- though he has not played either spot in over 4 years. Thus, he is really only a 2B at this point- albeit a VERY good defensive 2B. The money indicates starter, which would also mean Torres must move off of 2B.
DJ was the primary #2 hole hitter in the Colorado lineup. A good OBP guy might be a good idea in front of Judge, Sanchez and Stanton- but is this the best fit?
We also need to remember that the Yanks had Torres play a lot of 3B, 2B and SS in the minors. He MIGHT be moving to 3B? Defensively, Torres would be an upgrade at 3B, but his mental lapses might hurt there too. His bat is enough there too.
What to do with Andujar then?
I would understand signing Machado, but I am not sure I understand this move as it appears to all but guarantee that one of Torres or Andujar gets traded.
I thought about Torres at 3B also Rich. I think he will be an above average defensive infielder at 3B, 2B or SS long term. This move opens a lot of options for NYY.
My problem is that our lineup is all or nothing. We are very reliant on the home run ball. When it comes time to manufacture runs we stink. We strike out way too much and don't put pressure on opposing pitchers. Don't get me wrong, we have a great lineup but there are issues. Didn't we have horrible numbers last year of hitting with runners in scoring position.
the current infield defense the Yankees are trotting out could be one of the worst in baseball in a very long time. Butcher central.
He has flexibility and there has been a run on middle infielders to the Yankees needed to do something, regardless of Machado. LeMahieu can help this team, but let's see where the Machado thing lands. He has a place on this team. I still hope they get Machado but it feels increasingly likely the Yankees are going to watch Manny and Harper go elsewhere.
The Yankees are turning into the Sather/Gorton crew
My problem is that our lineup is all or nothing. We are very reliant on the home run ball. When it comes time to manufacture runs we stink. We strike out way too much and don't put pressure on opposing pitchers. Don't get me wrong, we have a great lineup but there are issues. Didn't we have horrible numbers last year of hitting with runners in scoring position.
12th in the majors with RISP.
Our offense was on par with the Red Sox during the regular season, too. They stole a LOT more bases than we did - but we hit about 60 more HR's.
I think a lot of the situational hitting stuff was put under a microscope in the ALDS and because we struggled and the Red Sox didn't, it created this narrative that the Yanks are awful hitting with runners in scoring position, but they really weren't.
I'm really not that concerned with the offense.
The starting pitching is what will either elevate us to a World Series team or keep us where we were in 2018.
My problem is that our lineup is all or nothing. We are very reliant on the home run ball. When it comes time to manufacture runs we stink. We strike out way too much and don't put pressure on opposing pitchers. Don't get me wrong, we have a great lineup but there are issues. Didn't we have horrible numbers last year of hitting with runners in scoring position.
Maybe that is the best justification for DJ? He was injured for almost the whole month of May and most of July last year, so his numbers were down as a result. However, from 2015-2017, he was an OBP machine out of the #2 spot in the Rockie lineup- getting on base, though with very little power.
On a interesting note- the Yanks now have the Rockies old middle INF combo back together- DJ and Tulo. That's some serious strong defense up the middle- though health is always in question with Tulo.
Would the Yanks use DJ as a leadoff hitter? He did get about 290 ABs as the Colorado leadoff man last year.
Obsessed with proving how goddamned brilliant they are rather than just obtaining the best players.
So true. I'm sure our offseason is as stunning to the Sawx and Astros as it is to Yankee fans. I'm willing to wait and see about Harper and Machado before completely losing faith.
I think Lemahieu is going to play a few times a week all over the infield and play in late innings especially for Andujar and bat 8th or 9th when he starts.
I think the only player he affects in 2019 is Wade who would have had a shot at that role and anyone comparing him to Torreyes is way off he's a much better player on both sides of the ball.
I think Lemahieu is going to play a few times a week all over the infield and play in late innings especially for Andujar and bat 8th or 9th when he starts.
I think the only player he affects in 2019 is Wade who would have had a shot at that role and anyone comparing him to Torreyes is way off he's a much better player on both sides of the ball.
Not at 12M a year. This guy will start somewhere on the diamond.
I think Lemahieu is going to play a few times a week all over the infield and play in late innings especially for Andujar and bat 8th or 9th when he starts.
I think the only player he affects in 2019 is Wade who would have had a shot at that role and anyone comparing him to Torreyes is way off he's a much better player on both sides of the ball.
2 years 24 Mill for a few times a week? Unlikely.
RE: RE: The Yankees are turning into the Sather/Gorton crew
Obsessed with proving how goddamned brilliant they are rather than just obtaining the best players.
So true. I'm sure our offseason is as stunning to the Sawx and Astros as it is to Yankee fans. I'm willing to wait and see about Harper and Machado before completely losing faith.
Or they simply don't want to pay Machado what he wants. Have you guys heard of a gray area before? Just because you can afford it doesn't mean you should/have to do it.
Andujar has no position now and is most likely gone.
Another possibility- maybe the Yanks move Stanton to LF full time and put Andujar at DH? Sure, they lose their best OF glove (Gardner) and put only an average at best OF in LF- but it allows them to keep Andujar.
Remember, there are no guarantees that Tulo stays healthy- and right now, it looks like Plan B is to move Torres to SS. In that case, if they trade Andujar, they don't have any sort of Plan B at 3B. However, if Andujar is at DH, he can at least be shifted to 3B on occasion as needed.
In addition, if DJ has been brought in to bat leadoff, there really isn't a good fit for Gardner in the lineup. The 9 spot might be needed for Tulo. Thus, maybe benching Gardner and putting Stanton out there is the best solution?
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The Yankees announced today that they have signed RHP Drew Hutchison (1/10/19) and OF Matt Lipka (1/5/19) to minor league contracts with invitations to Major League Spring Training.
and Stanton will play a little more LF this year compared to last year and Andujar will DH a little more. The Yankees have a more versatile roster than they've had in a while. Multiple players can and will play multiple positions. For the most part Gardener and Lemahieu will be bench players or injury replacements.
RE: RE: RE: The Yankees are turning into the Sather/Gorton crew
Or they simply don't want to pay Machado what he wants. Have you guys heard of a gray area before? Just because you can afford it doesn't mean you should/have to do it.
That's fine, but perhaps they should tone down the "fully operational death star" rhetoric in the meantime.
extra infielder. counting on Tulo, Torres and andujar was to risky. yes the kids looked great but they could take steps back this year and Torres has not stayed healthy and Andujar has his fielding issues. Not to mention Voight and Bird mat shit the bed.
They needed a plus deffender and his bat plays better then most top glove guys.
and Stanton will play a little more LF this year compared to last year and Andujar will DH a little more. The Yankees have a more versatile roster than they've had in a while. Multiple players can and will play multiple positions. For the most part Gardener and Lemahieu will be bench players or injury replacements.
$12M is a lot for a bench player. I have to wonder if the Yankees are considering shifting Torres to short while Didi recovers and play LeMahieu at 2nd, where he is a gold glover. They keep Andujar at 3rd and pull him late for defense. I have no idea where Tulo fits into this thing realistically. But he's essentially a glorified spring training invite so there is no risk.
Tulo picked the Yankees over something like 14 other teams
Bob Nightengale @BNightengale 13s14 seconds ago
The #Whitesox and #Phillies have been aggressive in their interest all winter for Machado while the #Yankees never made an offer.
Yeah, that is a bullshit tweet imo. Supposedly only the White Sox made an offer. Nobody is making a true offer to have it shopped around.
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Like someone else above mentioned, Nightengale is wrong more often then he is right, credibility factor is minimal at best.
With that said, I think they are done, other than adding a reliever. I didn't see this one coming. How are they going to utilize him?
Can he play some 1B, they may wind up needing him there at some point during the season.
and Stanton will play a little more LF this year compared to last year and Andujar will DH a little more. The Yankees have a more versatile roster than they've had in a while. Multiple players can and will play multiple positions. For the most part Gardener and Lemahieu will be bench players or injury replacements.
I wonder if Hicks hitting 2nd might not be a better idea. Having two big OBP guys in front of Judge, Stanton and Sanchez might be a good idea.
I don't think DJ is going to the bench. I think he is the new 2B and Torres is going to 3B. Remember that the Yanks gave Gardner $7M to be a maybe in LF. The gave Walker $5M to be a utility guy. They aren't giving DJ $12M over two years to be a utility guy.
RE: Tulo picked the Yankees over something like 14 other teams
The Yankees are paying him next to nothing comparatively, so why did he sign with them? Because he was told he'll have the opportunity to start if he's healthy.
So many options for the #9 spot in the lineup! Exciting offseason
No, DJ is probably the new leadoff hitter. If not, the #2 hitter. Outside of his injury plagued 2018, he has been a solid OBP guy for a number of years now. You want that at the top of your lineup- ahead of guys like Judge, Stanton and Sanchez.
The Yankees saw the Mets sign Lowrie and said we want one of those. Both solid players but dont make a ton of sense.
Lowrie was a good signing for NYM - and I think there's logic behind the Yanks signing LeMahieu.
These aren't "sexy" additions - but these are always the types of good depth players that winning teams have.
LeMahieu hasn't been great with the stick away from Coors - but he's not a bad hitter, he's a very good defender, and he can move around the diamond a bit.
I'm not in love with it, but I understand why the Yanks did it.
So many options for the #9 spot in the lineup! Exciting offseason
No, DJ is probably the new leadoff hitter. If not, the #2 hitter. Outside of his injury plagued 2018, he has been a solid OBP guy for a number of years now. You want that at the top of your lineup- ahead of guys like Judge, Stanton and Sanchez.
to a writer earlier this off-season who said Lemahieu had one of the most polarizing "how much do you think he's worth/gets" of any FA. I found that interesting.
What you're saying makes sense and it may start out that way. But I don't think it will stay that way for long. I think Lemahieu will wind up in the Walker role sooner rather than later. Just my opinion.
on what planet is getting better defensively
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considered making no sense? Better infield defense and depth is one of the top priorities of this offseason, IMO.
It is from the newest planet orbiting BBI lately. That the Yanks are cheap and if they don't get either Harper or Machado, it is an epic failure.
you also have to remember that when Tulo was signed...
Cashman probably had no idea Le4mahieu would be in play for the Yankees...say they sign Machado, they can always cut Tulo...they'd only be out the major league minimum...
RE: you also have to remember that when Tulo was signed...
Cashman probably had no idea Le4mahieu would be in play for the Yankees...say they sign Machado, they can always cut Tulo...they'd only be out the major league minimum...
I find this very, very hard to believe. Lemahieu was available as was Lowrie, Marwin Gonzalez is still out there too. I think the Yankees expect Tulo to be very solid and continues to be part of their plan. 16 teams spoke to him and the said the Yankees were most aggressive.
It's not like LeMahieu sucks. He was a 5.3 bWAR player just 2 years ago. Even a 3 bWAR season in 2018 when he missed around 35 games is very solid.
Like I said, I'm not gaga over it but I don't understand why people seem annoyed at it or don't understand why the Yanks would sign him.
I guess because it makes Machado far less likely.
The issue people are having determining LeMahieu's value probably has a lot to do with being a Coors guy.
FWIW - he seemed to change his approach this past year. He started using LF a bit more. Didn't get too pull happy - seemed like he was just looking for a balanced approach.
You had me at gold glove defense and low strikeouts
He will fill the Neil Walker role. He has some pop and loves to hit to RF. Gleyber is the natural choice at SS should Tulo fail. Having a solid defensive 2B ready to plug in and also provide late inning defense at 3B is a pretty good idea.
It's not like LeMahieu sucks. He was a 5.3 bWAR player just 2 years ago. Even a 3 bWAR season in 2018 when he missed around 35 games is very solid.
Like I said, I'm not gaga over it but I don't understand why people seem annoyed at it or don't understand why the Yanks would sign him.
I guess because it makes Machado far less likely.
The issue people are having determining LeMahieu's value probably has a lot to do with being a Coors guy.
FWIW - he seemed to change his approach this past year. He started using LF a bit more. Didn't get too pull happy - seemed like he was just looking for a balanced approach.
Defense isn't sexy in baseball unless your Andruw or Edmonds. To this day people argue with me over Simmons. LeMahieu also battled with oblique issues this season so that likely impacted his numbers.
It's not like LeMahieu sucks. He was a 5.3 bWAR player just 2 years ago. Even a 3 bWAR season in 2018 when he missed around 35 games is very solid.
Like I said, I'm not gaga over it but I don't understand why people seem annoyed at it or don't understand why the Yanks would sign him.
I guess because it makes Machado far less likely.
The issue people are having determining LeMahieu's value probably has a lot to do with being a Coors guy.
FWIW - he seemed to change his approach this past year. He started using LF a bit more. Didn't get too pull happy - seemed like he was just looking for a balanced approach.
Defense isn't sexy in baseball unless your Andruw or Edmonds. To this day people argue with me over Simmons. LeMahieu also battled with oblique issues this season so that likely impacted his numbers.
Yep - it's not Machado and not sexy, so... therefore, not good.
other thing some of you guys are ignoring is that baseball is always evolving and the current trends involve taking advantage of versatility and deep benches. The Dodgers and Red Sox had extreme depth and players who could play all over the field. The Astros did this as well. The Mets are doing their best to mimic this as well. LeMahieu fits that.
It's about them deciding to not spend money anymore to get the best players when they're available. From a business perspective, I get it. From a fan/competition perspective, it's bullshit. Maybe they'll open up the pocketbooks and surprise me, but Hal is managing this team like it's the Mets, not the Yankees.
the Sawx won because they had great players having insane years
Cash really likes the players we have, and I know that Machado is a wonderful player but eventually you have to pay all of the guys you already have. You're going to have to pay Judge and Severino probably 35mm a year, Didi probably 15mm or so, Sanchez is a 20mm player, etc...
They look "cheap" now but the payroll on this team will eventually balloon. They need a starting pitcher more. I have to believe that if a front of the line starter hit the market, the Yankees would hand over a blank check. A 3B? A sort of need, but not nearly as big as it was in 03. Offensively, Andujar and Machado had about the same stats last year. We wouldn't have passed the Sox anyway. He doesn't really move the needle THAT much.
solidifies infield defense, provides an offensive dimension this team doesn't really have (low-K guy who could be a high-average hitter). I would have preferred Machado but if they weren't going to do that this might be the next best move.
solidifies infield defense, provides an offensive dimension this team doesn't really have (low-K guy who could be a high-average hitter). I would have preferred Machado but if they weren't going to do that this might be the next best move.
Definitely valid.
I'm really starting to think that history could be very unkind to this Yankees offseason, but it won't be because of this move.
It's about them deciding to not spend money anymore to get the best players when they're available. From a business perspective, I get it. From a fan/competition perspective, it's bullshit. Maybe they'll open up the pocketbooks and surprise me, but Hal is managing this team like it's the Mets, not the Yankees.
I know that people LOVE this RAB graphic because they THINK it justifies their belief that Hal is cheap. However, it is what is NOT in that graph that undermines their entire argument.
The Stadium isn't free- the mortgage is huge- one estimate had it at almost $90M. Others closer to $80M. Regardless, that comes out of those revenues.
The Yanks have HUGE expenses for refurbishing minor league and major league facilities- such as the ones in Tampa. They also spend a LOT of money on minor league coaching and people responsible for getting the minor leaguers into top shape.
They spend on a large scale on their domestic and international scouting departments- both for amateurs and pros. They also might have MLB's largest analytics department.
None of the above is free- and it isn't considered payroll- but the Yanks are willing to outspend ALL of their competition in these areas.
But go ahead with the silly trope that Hal is cheap. It just demonstrates how little you know.
It's about them deciding to not spend money anymore to get the best players when they're available. From a business perspective, I get it. From a fan/competition perspective, it's bullshit. Maybe they'll open up the pocketbooks and surprise me, but Hal is managing this team like it's the Mets, not the Yankees.
By the way,it was actually $183 million because they collected 80 cents on the dollar from the insurance policy they had on Ellsbury!
RE: the Sawx won because they had great players having insane years
that you have to deal with such simple minds on a daily basis here. It must be extremely aggravating for you. I don't know how you put up with such frivolous posting.
In the meantime, Hal thanks you for your ardent defense of him and his spending. Hopefully the Yanks can move find the money in the budget this season to make those mortgage payments. As a home-owning American, I can attest that it can be difficult to meet that requirement each month. I can only imagine it's the same for the Yankees.
If the Yankees truly are spending that much on their scouting
It's about them deciding to not spend money anymore to get the best players when they're available. From a business perspective, I get it. From a fan/competition perspective, it's bullshit. Maybe they'll open up the pocketbooks and surprise me, but Hal is managing this team like it's the Mets, not the Yankees.
I know that people LOVE this RAB graphic because they THINK it justifies their belief that Hal is cheap. However, it is what is NOT in that graph that undermines their entire argument.
The Stadium isn't free- the mortgage is huge- one estimate had it at almost $90M. Others closer to $80M. Regardless, that comes out of those revenues.
The Yanks have HUGE expenses for refurbishing minor league and major league facilities- such as the ones in Tampa. They also spend a LOT of money on minor league coaching and people responsible for getting the minor leaguers into top shape.
They spend on a large scale on their domestic and international scouting departments- both for amateurs and pros. They also might have MLB's largest analytics department.
None of the above is free- and it isn't considered payroll- but the Yanks are willing to outspend ALL of their competition in these areas.
But go ahead with the silly trope that Hal is cheap. It just demonstrates how little you know.
This is what they're selling you and I'm sure they're very happy to see you buying it. It's a black box that allows for justification for not paying a guy like Machado when he hits the open market. They're counting on fans like you to accept it at face value. For example, they have a 20 person analytics team. How much do you think that costs? Scouts are not expensive hires either.
Are the Red Sox for example stupid for spending their money on baseball players instead of these bells and whistles? They just won a WS.
Your comments paint a very black and white picture. The truth is far more gray. They don't need to go and get Corbin, Machado, Harper and all the top relievers to satisfy fans desire to spend the money that those fans are spending on the team. Signing just Machado for example wouldn't make a dent in their extremely healthy margins, it would just put them on par with their hated rivals who just won a WS, their fourth since 2004.
It's about them deciding to not spend money anymore to get the best players when they're available. From a business perspective, I get it. From a fan/competition perspective, it's bullshit. Maybe they'll open up the pocketbooks and surprise me, but Hal is managing this team like it's the Mets, not the Yankees.
I know that people LOVE this RAB graphic because they THINK it justifies their belief that Hal is cheap. However, it is what is NOT in that graph that undermines their entire argument.
The Stadium isn't free- the mortgage is huge- one estimate had it at almost $90M. Others closer to $80M. Regardless, that comes out of those revenues.
The Yanks have HUGE expenses for refurbishing minor league and major league facilities- such as the ones in Tampa. They also spend a LOT of money on minor league coaching and people responsible for getting the minor leaguers into top shape.
They spend on a large scale on their domestic and international scouting departments- both for amateurs and pros. They also might have MLB's largest analytics department.
None of the above is free- and it isn't considered payroll- but the Yanks are willing to outspend ALL of their competition in these areas.
But go ahead with the silly trope that Hal is cheap. It just demonstrates how little you know.
619M - 224M = 395M. Subtract 90 M for debt service and that leave 305M. Exactly how many analytics nerds do you think they employ?
Yeah I'm sure the Red Sox are kicking themselves for
in what % of their revenues they spend on payroll, full stop. But there's no reason they shouldn't regularly be right up at $240-250M with LAD and BOS, most especially when there are 26 year old superstars available for 'just money' on the market.
I'm talking about missing a genuine opportunity, not spending beaucoup bucks just because they have them.
It's about them deciding to not spend money anymore to get the best players when they're available. From a business perspective, I get it. From a fan/competition perspective, it's bullshit. Maybe they'll open up the pocketbooks and surprise me, but Hal is managing this team like it's the Mets, not the Yankees.
I know that people LOVE this RAB graphic because they THINK it justifies their belief that Hal is cheap. However, it is what is NOT in that graph that undermines their entire argument.
The Stadium isn't free- the mortgage is huge- one estimate had it at almost $90M. Others closer to $80M. Regardless, that comes out of those revenues.
The Yanks have HUGE expenses for refurbishing minor league and major league facilities- such as the ones in Tampa. They also spend a LOT of money on minor league coaching and people responsible for getting the minor leaguers into top shape.
They spend on a large scale on their domestic and international scouting departments- both for amateurs and pros. They also might have MLB's largest analytics department.
None of the above is free- and it isn't considered payroll- but the Yanks are willing to outspend ALL of their competition in these areas.
But go ahead with the silly trope that Hal is cheap. It just demonstrates how little you know.
619M - 224M = 395M. Subtract 90 M for debt service and that leave 305M. Exactly how many analytics nerds do you think they employ?
Must be tens of millions of dollars worth obviously...
in what % of their revenues they spend on payroll, full stop. But there's no reason they shouldn't regularly be right up at $240-250M with LAD and BOS, most especially when there are 26 year old superstars available for 'just money' on the market.
I'm talking about missing a genuine opportunity, not spending beaucoup bucks just because they have them.
Exactly. They're selling this narrative around spending elsewhere when it's complete hogwash. What makes more sense, spending on a player who is already a 26 year old star at a position of need or spending on a bunch of disparate things that *could* lead to developing more players like that? If we assume for a second that that's where all the profits are going and they're far outspending the rest of the league elsewhere, it's not like the $30M/year for Machado or Harper is going to completely derail the entire organization from a player development and analytics standpoint...
I for one will go to less games this year than I normally do. They don't want to spend? I don't want to spend. Easy enough.
Barring a big splash, this will likely be the third straight year the
in what % of their revenues they spend on payroll, full stop. But there's no reason they shouldn't regularly be right up at $240-250M with LAD and BOS, most especially when there are 26 year old superstars available for 'just money' on the market.
I'm talking about missing a genuine opportunity, not spending beaucoup bucks just because they have them.
Exactly. They're selling this narrative around spending elsewhere when it's complete hogwash. What makes more sense, spending on a player who is already a 26 year old star at a position of need or spending on a bunch of disparate things that *could* lead to developing more players like that? If we assume for a second that that's where all the profits are going and they're far outspending the rest of the league elsewhere, it's not like the $30M/year for Machado or Harper is going to completely derail the entire organization from a player development and analytics standpoint...
I for one will go to less games this year than I normally do. They don't want to spend? I don't want to spend. Easy enough.
bye Felicia
RE: only until they finally ship Gray's worthless ass out of town
Take a look at the link below. Before accounting for DJ, they were already over the luxury tax line. After accounting for the $12M, they are going to have a payroll around $219M- and they are likely not done spending. With that said, Gray probably gets trade- so we subtract his likely $8-9M salary.
So, let's rough guess a payroll around $225M to start the season.
Sox will start around $235M. Nats (only other luxury tax payor last year) are under $200M- though when they add Harper, they will likely jump to around $230M. Dodgers currently are around $186M.
numbers outside of coors field last year were not good. I am not a fan of this move. Daniel Murphy Would of been a better option hes a better hitter. Also Lowrie would of been a better option as well.
RE: RE: only until they finally ship Gray's worthless ass out of town
Take a look at the link below. Before accounting for DJ, they were already over the luxury tax line. After accounting for the $12M, they are going to have a payroll around $219M- and they are likely not done spending. With that said, Gray probably gets trade- so we subtract his likely $8-9M salary.
So, let's rough guess a payroll around $225M to start the season.
Sox will start around $235M. Nats (only other luxury tax payor last year) are under $200M- though when they add Harper, they will likely jump to around $230M. Dodgers currently are around $186M.
Yanks will likely start the season either 2nd or 3rd in payroll- but we'll still hear the Hal is cheap trope. Yanks 2019 payroll and luxury tax payroll figures - ( New Window )
by signing either MM or Harper. Both guys appear to want to break the record, and may be looking for 10 year contracts.
Im disappointed but not angry. I was hoping that Machado wanted to play for the Yanks so much that a shorter deal at about 30M per would get it done, but I suspect it wouldnt, and having recognized that, Cashman moved on.
Because most of those years are the prime years of a superstar. This is not 32 year old Albert Pujols we're talking about here.
If you say so. The likelihood of him delivering even half those years at a superstar level are still not great, doesn't matter how old he is. If it was such a guarantee than teams wouldn't hesitate on it.
RE: But then we get to sign Judge; Sanchez and all the rest our kids
Because most of those years are the prime years of a superstar. This is not 32 year old Albert Pujols we're talking about here.
If you say so. The likelihood of him delivering even half those years at a superstar level are still not great, doesn't matter how old he is. If it was such a guarantee than teams wouldn't hesitate on it.
There's more religion than logic in that statement. It's an OK belief to have, of course. But there really isn't much to back that up.
You have some people here who think he is more of a liability to the org than an asset, and others fretting about the huge problem of having to pay him big bucks after his 4 more years of control.
The Yankees could no longer afford to pretend they were still in on Machado and had to pull the trigger on Lemahieu.
You could make the argument that since the Yankees have shown zero interest in Harper, they have zero interest in Harper. Or you can make the argument that this has all been part of the dance between Boros and Cashman that will ultimately end with Boros making a call to Cashman and saying "going...going..." and waiting to see if Cashman interrupts before he gets to "gone" (Boros has already pointed out how the Yankees came out of nowhere to sign Teixeira, he knows damn well the Yankees aren't out of it until they're out of it).
Both arguments can be backed up by everything we've seen and heard so far. We won't know which is valid until after the fact. But for all those who were hoping the Yankees would make a bigtime flash this offseason, no reason to give up hope just yet!
Of the year. Real Yankee fans don't want Machado here, we like Andujar, we like DiDi, we don't want to be the spoiled fucking brat fan who doesn't give two fucks about the players who are here and performing well. I always thought it was the stupidest thing the Yanks could do, and glad they at least capped what they would give, glad they are moving on from him. He is a great player we don't need nor want. Who is better, Andujar at 1 mil or Machado at 35 mil, you have to be stupid to think the latter is better for the team.
the Yankees are dropping $300 million/year on their 20 person analytics dept. and their minor league coaching staffs....and anyone who doesn't realize that is an idiot.
Alternatively, Rich doesn't have a fucking clue what he's talking about and is actually just a condescending asshole.
the Yankees are dropping $300 million/year on their 20 person analytics dept. and their minor league coaching staffs....and anyone who doesn't realize that is an idiot.
Alternatively, Rich doesn't have a fucking clue what he's talking about and is actually just a condescending asshole.
You are the clueless one. You still haven't offered a SINGLE factual point and can't offer anything more than "spend because I want you to and I demand it as an entitled Yankee fan."
I spelled out a LOT more spending than analytics (especially the Stadium mortgage and minor league facilities, coaches, etc), but since you have ZERO evidence on your side, you have resorted to name-calling and to be blunt "fake news" to make it sound like you have a clue.
a few days ago? Offseason has been dogshit so far.
LeMahieu is better in the field than Lowrie. Lowrie's a better hitter but they probably wanted the glove. He's also a high exit velocity guy which we know the Yankees love. They probably think there's some untapped upside a la Voit.
Paul is overjoyed that they're signing the "roughly average" (Fangraphs' words, not mine) LeMahieu instead of Machado. Pretty much seals the deal - this was a terrible turn of events.
a few days ago? Offseason has been dogshit so far.
LeMahieu is better in the field than Lowrie. Lowrie's a better hitter but they probably wanted the glove. He's also a high exit velocity guy which we know the Yankees love. They probably think there's some untapped upside a la Voit.
Aren't Lemahieu's home/road splits significantly different after playing in Denver? That makes me a bit nervous. And I hope this isn't prelude to Andujar leaving.
a few days ago? Offseason has been dogshit so far.
LeMahieu is better in the field than Lowrie. Lowrie's a better hitter but they probably wanted the glove. He's also a high exit velocity guy which we know the Yankees love. They probably think there's some untapped upside a la Voit.
Aren't Lemahieu's home/road splits significantly different after playing in Denver? That makes me a bit nervous. And I hope this isn't prelude to Andujar leaving.
Yeah, not saying I agree with the assessment but that's my guess as to what they're thinking.
Similarly I agree with you, Greg. Voit will be 28 in a month as well and they must be relying on him to produce at league average or above for a 1b at the plate next year given his glove.
to give him 12mm per year for 2 years, and assuming this wasn't a desperation move after Lowrie signed, you have to believe they have assessed what they have and understand the value of the DP combination of Tulo and DJ.
We should all be disappointed that Harper and Machado aren't going to be signed but shouldn't be surprised or concerned that this will interfere with the continued development of a franchise team. This team needed defense and better starters heading into 2019.
If Harper or Manny had really stepped up last season perhaps there would have been a real bidding war. Manny showed his character and Harper proved he can be shifted on and is not as consistent as you need if you are paying 30mm per season.
My real cheese is passing on Kikuchi and not locking up Moustakas.
I honestly don't think Machado really makes a ton of sense "fit-wise" unless they're moving Andujar - and this was before LeMahieu. Hell, even before Tulo - if we're expecting Didi back at any point, we'd have 3 guys who need to be in the lineup every day and only 2 places to put them. I get that you can just punt on that for now since Didi is not healthy and it's not a guarantee he's back on schedule or has no setback; but they may really want to keep Didi beyond this year, and if they do that, it's not going to work with Machado unless Miggy is moved. Something has to give. There's no way to play all 3 guys.
It's no guarantee Andujar can just play 1B. Stanton is pretty much clogging DH. Where else is he going to go?
It could be as simple as this...
The Yankees really like Miguel Andujar and don't feel like they need to spend ~275 Million dollars on Manny Machado and commit to a player for 7-10 years.
I know that's not what a lot of people want to hear. Hell, I was expecting Machado and still think the Yanks can find ways to be creative and make it work, but again - it only works if Andujar is being traded or Gregorius isn't in the future plans. Maybe Miggy isn't and maybe Didi is.
Flexibility and optionality is a huge asset as well.
This is a solid move for a solid major league player after their very good SS was injured and given the time to come back from TJ Surgery may not be much of a factor this year.
And with unproven minor league assets in the Middle Infield
I am reminded of a large dark grouper in the shadows seeming asleep until a morsel slides by. Letting the short term market on Harper and Kimbrel and Machado come down to their easy grab or not knowing that as finances squeeze other teams over the longer haul the Yankees have more room than the other top spenders if not this year then the next two.
Honestly guys, we do not know if they are watching Andujar practice 6 hours a day and believe they have a 24 year old with average defense who is a better hitter than Machado as he hits his prime years and learns to be more patient. Guys, with the same AB as Machado last year Andujar would have hit 30HR and 101 RBI's. As a rookie. With offensive and defensive upside.
Whats more, as long as we are speculating, lets realize that as the Yankees "look" like they are more and more set- the price for Machado and Harper and all other FA comes down as one of the major possible bidders "seems" to be walking away. Exactly where we want the market.
More pieces to trade and a top off the extreme end of what Machado and Harper will go for.
Remember they also get tied up for 10 years. If the town, the organization stink the WS and playoff fame and advertising dollar potential shrinks for 10 years as well.
For the Yankees, I bet its the 10 years they want to move into option land and 7 years of the less risk prime prime years.
Or they want to scoop if a morsel walks by in July.
Also remember they collect the insurance on Ellsbury would paint a more accurate picture of their net MLB Player payroll expense.
Smart matters. Lets wait and see. There is a reason those guys are not yet signed elsewhere either
Machado 2018:
.297 37 HRs and 107 RBIs - .538 slugging, 75 extra base hits
Andujar 2018:
.297 27 HRs and 92 RBIs - .531 slugging, 78 extra base hits
We all know that Machado is a superior defender and his offensive numbers should hold pretty steady moving forward.
Andujar's defensive issues are mostly throwing. He has a very strong arm and there is no reason that tweaks to his mechanics and footwork can't help him become a reliable 3B.
If Andujar hadn't emerged last year, signing Machado would have been a no-brainer. Right now, I'm not so sure...especially if they can sign another piece like Ottavino for the bullpen.
why would we want a 10 year contract on the books and why would Machado accept less years if he can get them elsewhere?
If you've been following the contracts of the last couple of years,even 10 year contracts aren't 10 year contracts. Clubs/Players have options put in at 3-4 yrs,then probably 6-7 years giving both sides outs. No excuse for not bringing in at least 1 of 2 26 year old superstars w/this type of contract. I can't remember this type of occurrence happening in FA & to simply pass on it,seems extremely shortsighted. Rich makes good arguments about the Yankees $$$ but unless he's Hal's accountant,he doesn't know the real bottom line(Like the $$$ they make from the YES network).Now,if Rich added Hal's desire to repurchase the rest of the YES network that he stupidly sold,maybe we can see where the $$$ that could go to Manny and/or Harper will actually be going!
Mick, given Brittons pact, Im guessing that the Yanks
know that even a deal with those types of parameters would have set new records (eg huge early salaries) and didnt have want to go there.
yatqb, I think that would be predicated on what agent/player requested per year. If it was a 3-4 year option w/the opportunity to become an FA again at 30,it could be doable.Now,I think it would be more likely w/Manny than Harper because of Boras but 26 year old superstars are the best investments you can make in this particular business & you would think a businessman like Hal would recognize that!
All other players including Didi and Gray reached agreements with NYY
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The Yankees have agreed to terms with RHP Dellin Betances, 1B Greg Bird, RHP Sonny Gray, SS Didi Gregorius, OF Aaron Hicks, RHP Tommy Kahnle, LHP James Paxton and C Austin Romine on one-year, non-guaranteed contracts, thus avoiding arbitration.
Machado 2018:
.297 37 HRs and 107 RBIs - .538 slugging, 75 extra base hits
Andujar 2018:
.297 27 HRs and 92 RBIs - .531 slugging, 78 extra base hits
We all know that Machado is a superior defender and his offensive numbers should hold pretty steady moving forward.
Andujar's defensive issues are mostly throwing. He has a very strong arm and there is no reason that tweaks to his mechanics and footwork can't help him become a reliable 3B.
If Andujar hadn't emerged last year, signing Machado would have been a no-brainer. Right now, I'm not so sure...especially if they can sign another piece like Ottavino for the bullpen.
After this move, I am starting to hope that the Yanks will make Gardner the 4th OF, put Stanton in LF and make Andujar the DH.
I know they lose their best defensive OF in that alignment, but Gardner hasn't offered much with the bat lately. Stanton is average in the OF, but the difference between Stanton and Gardner is less than the difference between say, Torres and Andujar defensively at 3B.
DJ and Tulo is a really good defensive middle INF and at least good offensively. Andujar is all bat right now, so DH is fine.
Torres has enough bat for 3B and enough arm as well. Given that they have pitchers who need some good defense behind them, that MIGHT improve pitching outcomes just because they have a defense in that alignment that might get more outs per balls put in play.
Assuming that Sanchez's BABIP reverts to the mean, that would result in a substantive plus at C as well. That COULD conceivably mean more wins even with possibly less offense.
Both arguments can be backed up by everything we've seen and heard so far. We won't know which is valid until after the fact. But for all those who were hoping the Yankees would make a bigtime flash this offseason, no reason to give up hope just yet! [/quote]
Whoever this guy is, he seems to think there may be hope on Harper:
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For the record, here on Jan. 11 at 2:59p, Im not convinced the Yankees are out of the Bryce Harper sweepstakes.
RE: RE: Machado 30+ mil a year versus Andujar at 600K
Machado 2018:
.297 37 HRs and 107 RBIs - .538 slugging, 75 extra base hits
Andujar 2018:
.297 27 HRs and 92 RBIs - .531 slugging, 78 extra base hits
We all know that Machado is a superior defender and his offensive numbers should hold pretty steady moving forward.
Andujar's defensive issues are mostly throwing. He has a very strong arm and there is no reason that tweaks to his mechanics and footwork can't help him become a reliable 3B.
If Andujar hadn't emerged last year, signing Machado would have been a no-brainer. Right now, I'm not so sure...especially if they can sign another piece like Ottavino for the bullpen.
After this move, I am starting to hope that the Yanks will make Gardner the 4th OF, put Stanton in LF and make Andujar the DH.
I know they lose their best defensive OF in that alignment, but Gardner hasn't offered much with the bat lately. Stanton is average in the OF, but the difference between Stanton and Gardner is less than the difference between say, Torres and Andujar defensively at 3B.
DJ and Tulo is a really good defensive middle INF and at least good offensively. Andujar is all bat right now, so DH is fine.
Torres has enough bat for 3B and enough arm as well. Given that they have pitchers who need some good defense behind them, that MIGHT improve pitching outcomes just because they have a defense in that alignment that might get more outs per balls put in play.
Assuming that Sanchez's BABIP reverts to the mean, that would result in a substantive plus at C as well. That COULD conceivably mean more wins even with possibly less offense.
There's only one problem with this - where does Clint Frazier go?
He's got to play in the majors at this point. If we're not going to have a spot for him here, we'd need to deal him.
Both arguments can be backed up by everything we've seen and heard so far. We won't know which is valid until after the fact. But for all those who were hoping the Yankees would make a bigtime flash this offseason, no reason to give up hope just yet!
Whoever this guy is, he seems to think there may be hope on Harper:
Kevin Connors
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For the record, here on Jan. 11 at 2:59p, Im not convinced the Yankees are out of the Bryce Harper sweepstakes. [/quote]
He's just a fan speculating like the rest of us who happens to work for ESPN. I wouldn't get any hopes up. If they did sign Harper, it would be the biggest shocker of Cashman's career as GM. Bigger than Teixera. The media then said the Yankees were uninterested as did Cashman but at least then there was a gaping hole at first.
signing, so I very much get your position. But if MM were asking for 35-40m a year for those 4 years, or something like that, I can understand going in a different direction.
As for Frazier, my guess is that he platoons with Gardy unless he wins the starting Lf job entirely.
signing, so I very much get your position. But if MM were asking for 35-40m a year for those 4 years, or something like that, I can understand going in a different direction.
As for Frazier, my guess is that he platoons with Gardy unless he wins the starting Lf job entirely.
yatqb, I as well have been living on Twitter but I guess we'll have to see what he actually signs for.If it is an outrageous sum,then we can cut Hal some slack.However,if it's within the realm of being a sum that the Yankees could have signed him for,Hal's in for a rough year from the fans!
Both arguments can be backed up by everything we've seen and heard so far. We won't know which is valid until after the fact. But for all those who were hoping the Yankees would make a bigtime flash this offseason, no reason to give up hope just yet!
Whoever this guy is, he seems to think there may be hope on Harper:
Kevin Connors
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@kevconnorsespn
4h4 hours ago
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For the record, here on Jan. 11 at 2:59p, Im not convinced the Yankees are out of the Bryce Harper sweepstakes.
He's just a fan speculating like the rest of us who happens to work for ESPN. I wouldn't get any hopes up. If they did sign Harper, it would be the biggest shocker of Cashman's career as GM. Bigger than Teixera. The media then said the Yankees were uninterested as did Cashman but at least then there was a gaping hole at first. [/quote]
LOL... the door closed to mega-deals like Harper's or Machado's after the Stanton trade was made. There's almost zero chance they are in on Harper.
Machado 2018:
.297 37 HRs and 107 RBIs - .538 slugging, 75 extra base hits
Andujar 2018:
.297 27 HRs and 92 RBIs - .531 slugging, 78 extra base hits
We all know that Machado is a superior defender and his offensive numbers should hold pretty steady moving forward.
Andujar's defensive issues are mostly throwing. He has a very strong arm and there is no reason that tweaks to his mechanics and footwork can't help him become a reliable 3B.
If Andujar hadn't emerged last year, signing Machado would have been a no-brainer. Right now, I'm not so sure...especially if they can sign another piece like Ottavino for the bullpen.
After this move, I am starting to hope that the Yanks will make Gardner the 4th OF, put Stanton in LF and make Andujar the DH.
I know they lose their best defensive OF in that alignment, but Gardner hasn't offered much with the bat lately. Stanton is average in the OF, but the difference between Stanton and Gardner is less than the difference between say, Torres and Andujar defensively at 3B.
DJ and Tulo is a really good defensive middle INF and at least good offensively. Andujar is all bat right now, so DH is fine.
Torres has enough bat for 3B and enough arm as well. Given that they have pitchers who need some good defense behind them, that MIGHT improve pitching outcomes just because they have a defense in that alignment that might get more outs per balls put in play.
Assuming that Sanchez's BABIP reverts to the mean, that would result in a substantive plus at C as well. That COULD conceivably mean more wins even with possibly less offense.
There's only one problem with this - where does Clint Frazier go?
He's got to play in the majors at this point. If we're not going to have a spot for him here, we'd need to deal him.
Frazier needs to go to AAA for a few hundred ABs- he missed almost the entire season last year. He needs to prove he is healthy and can stay that way- AND be productive- before we think about how he fits in NY.
Even if Frazier starts the year @ SWB - how long are they going to keep him down there? He's 24 years old now and posted a .963 OPS there last year in like 50 games.
I don't think there's much left for him to learn down there - it's about time for him to be up with the big club if he's healthy.
They can't leave him in the minors all year, so eventually he's going to have to figure into this equation or they're going to have to trade him.
Machado 2018:
.297 37 HRs and 107 RBIs - .538 slugging, 75 extra base hits
Andujar 2018:
.297 27 HRs and 92 RBIs - .531 slugging, 78 extra base hits
We all know that Machado is a superior defender and his offensive numbers should hold pretty steady moving forward.
Andujar's defensive issues are mostly throwing. He has a very strong arm and there is no reason that tweaks to his mechanics and footwork can't help him become a reliable 3B.
If Andujar hadn't emerged last year, signing Machado would have been a no-brainer. Right now, I'm not so sure...especially if they can sign another piece like Ottavino for the bullpen.
After this move, I am starting to hope that the Yanks will make Gardner the 4th OF, put Stanton in LF and make Andujar the DH.
I know they lose their best defensive OF in that alignment, but Gardner hasn't offered much with the bat lately. Stanton is average in the OF, but the difference between Stanton and Gardner is less than the difference between say, Torres and Andujar defensively at 3B.
DJ and Tulo is a really good defensive middle INF and at least good offensively. Andujar is all bat right now, so DH is fine.
Torres has enough bat for 3B and enough arm as well. Given that they have pitchers who need some good defense behind them, that MIGHT improve pitching outcomes just because they have a defense in that alignment that might get more outs per balls put in play.
Assuming that Sanchez's BABIP reverts to the mean, that would result in a substantive plus at C as well. That COULD conceivably mean more wins even with possibly less offense.
There's only one problem with this - where does Clint Frazier go?
He's got to play in the majors at this point. If we're not going to have a spot for him here, we'd need to deal him.
That and counting on Tulo to be the everyday shortstop, which I think is really risky given his age and injuries.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Machado 30+ mil a year versus Andujar at 600K
Machado 2018:
.297 37 HRs and 107 RBIs - .538 slugging, 75 extra base hits
Andujar 2018:
.297 27 HRs and 92 RBIs - .531 slugging, 78 extra base hits
We all know that Machado is a superior defender and his offensive numbers should hold pretty steady moving forward.
Andujar's defensive issues are mostly throwing. He has a very strong arm and there is no reason that tweaks to his mechanics and footwork can't help him become a reliable 3B.
If Andujar hadn't emerged last year, signing Machado would have been a no-brainer. Right now, I'm not so sure...especially if they can sign another piece like Ottavino for the bullpen.
After this move, I am starting to hope that the Yanks will make Gardner the 4th OF, put Stanton in LF and make Andujar the DH.
I know they lose their best defensive OF in that alignment, but Gardner hasn't offered much with the bat lately. Stanton is average in the OF, but the difference between Stanton and Gardner is less than the difference between say, Torres and Andujar defensively at 3B.
DJ and Tulo is a really good defensive middle INF and at least good offensively. Andujar is all bat right now, so DH is fine.
Torres has enough bat for 3B and enough arm as well. Given that they have pitchers who need some good defense behind them, that MIGHT improve pitching outcomes just because they have a defense in that alignment that might get more outs per balls put in play.
Assuming that Sanchez's BABIP reverts to the mean, that would result in a substantive plus at C as well. That COULD conceivably mean more wins even with possibly less offense.
There's only one problem with this - where does Clint Frazier go?
He's got to play in the majors at this point. If we're not going to have a spot for him here, we'd need to deal him.
That and counting on Tulo to be the everyday shortstop, which I think is really risky given his age and injuries.
just makes me want Harper even more now. That lineup and the team depth would just be ruthless with him in it. I don't care if you have to try Stanton at 1B or even Harper at 1B or Gardner as the 4th OF. Whatever works.
just makes me want Harper even more now. That lineup and the team depth would just be ruthless with him in it. I don't care if you have to try Stanton at 1B or even Harper at 1B or Gardner as the 4th OF. Whatever works.
It's not going to happen but I would love it.
If Harper played first, he would be a perfect target for this team. First base seems to be the biggest question mark outside of short pending Didi coming back from injury.
just makes me want Harper even more now. That lineup and the team depth would just be ruthless with him in it. I don't care if you have to try Stanton at 1B or even Harper at 1B or Gardner as the 4th OF. Whatever works.
It's not going to happen but I would love it.
If Harper played first, he would be a perfect target for this team. First base seems to be the biggest question mark outside of short pending Didi coming back from injury.
player for them, but Cashman does? I have to imagine there is something else in the works here, because if not, then wow..
Torres will shift from 2B to SS to fill in until Didi returns is the best guess. Tulo will back-up. LeMahieu will cover 2B.
I'm pretty sure Cashman already said they're viewing Tulo as the SS while Didi is out. I think we'll see a decent amount of Torres at 3B while DJ plays 2B on those days.
RE: RE: Not even the Blue Jays wanted Tulo to be an everyday
player for them, but Cashman does? I have to imagine there is something else in the works here, because if not, then wow..
Torres will shift from 2B to SS to fill in until Didi returns is the best guess. Tulo will back-up. LeMahieu will cover 2B.
I'm pretty sure Cashman already said they're viewing Tulo as the SS while Didi is out. I think we'll see a decent amount of Torres at 3B while DJ plays 2B on those days.
Wow. Then they really must be planning to move Stanton to left and Andujar to DH.
just makes me want Harper even more now. That lineup and the team depth would just be ruthless with him in it. I don't care if you have to try Stanton at 1B or even Harper at 1B or Gardner as the 4th OF. Whatever works.
It's not going to happen but I would love it.
I'd be very comfortable with Gardner as the 4th outfielder if the regulars are Judge, Hicks, Harper and Stanton as DH.
the evidence is pretty much in our faces, even if we don't want to believe it. They will sign another reliever, find the right trade partner for Gray, and call it an offseason.
Who is even discussing this as a possibility - source?
The way it looks now is Machado to the White Sox and Harper to Philly.
So they cant be negotiating with him because you havent heard of it through the media?!
There is not one shred of evidence that NYY is in on Harper - not one. Actually the GM of NYY Brian Cashman made a public comment that the team has no interest in Harper.
But people like you need to conjure bullshit and fantasy up to make the internet a better place...
the evidence is pretty much in our faces, even if we don't want to believe it. They will sign another reliever, find the right trade partner for Gray, and call it an offseason.
Harper and Machado were NEVER really in Yankees plans unless they got a huge discount. We're no longer in the era of George Steinbrenner dollars, and the Yankees have to eventual pay all their young rising stars. The "evidence in our faces," has been there all along.
As best I can tell, no one is saying Harper will sign with the Yankees
It would be a huge longshot coming in out of the darkness. The interesting thing about free agency is that longshots sometimes do come in out of the darkness. If the Yankees are hell bent on re-setting the luxury tax Machado and Harper were never in play unless they have a trade partner for Stanton hiding in the woods. The fans have been hoping for longshots since free agency began. The recent signings by the Yankees seem to preclude a Machado surprise. They don't seem to preclude the longshot of Harper to the Yankees and his lefty bat might just be a fit at first base. Who expected the Yanks to pursue Stanton last year? The tax and the crowded outfield would have seemed to preclude it. Cashman will take the phone call from Boras when the time comes for Harper to choose. I do expect that much.
Who is even discussing this as a possibility - source?
The way it looks now is Machado to the White Sox and Harper to Philly.
So they cant be negotiating with him because you havent heard of it through the media?!
There is not one shred of evidence that NYY is in on Harper - not one. Actually the GM of NYY Brian Cashman made a public comment that the team has no interest in Harper.
But people like you need to conjure bullshit and fantasy up to make the internet a better place...
Im of the opinion that the Yankees arent out on a player until that player is no longer on the market. They can be trying to trade Stanton. They can be sitting back to see which domino falls first. Just because twitter isnt reporting it doesnt mean it isnt happening.
Getting mad at people for discussing rumors is dumb. Doesnt matter if its their rumor or someone elses, everyone is speculating and drawing conclusions based on limited knowledge. Thats what fans do.
If the tax was re-set last year that is my bad but how do you get
a new model out of one year that included adding Stanton? So what is the new model? We get one Stanton per year. Sign me up for that as a fan. Absent a track record with the tax re-set, you really don't know yet what the model is.
The Yanks will stay in touch with the agents and keep their eye on the market for both players.
I don't see either one coming here at this point - the positional fits just aren't lining up unless we create them via trade(s) - but there's always the off-chance that things crumble in other negotiations and NYY decide to become players at the 11th hour.
Until Machado and Harper are in Chicago and Philadelphia... or anywhere that isn't the Bronx, it's not completely off the table. Just highly, highly unlikely.
Who is even discussing this as a possibility - source?
The way it looks now is Machado to the White Sox and Harper to Philly.
So they cant be negotiating with him because you havent heard of it through the media?!
There is not one shred of evidence that NYY is in on Harper - not one. Actually the GM of NYY Brian Cashman made a public comment that the team has no interest in Harper.
But people like you need to conjure bullshit and fantasy up to make the internet a better place...
Youve obviosuly never followed the Yankees before. Or sports at all.
He's not here to sit. Then again, he's the type of players that we are missing. We can't have all flashy, all-or-nothing hitters throughout the lineup, but I just don't like the position fit.
I understand that we can't rely solely on homegrown players, but as much as I hate the thought of dishing out mega contracts, I hate passing over our own for middling free agents even more.
Let's give Andujar another year at 3B first, he may surprise us with his improvement in defense.
He's not here to sit. Then again, he's the type of players that we are missing. We can't have all flashy, all-or-nothing hitters throughout the lineup, but I just don't like the position fit.
I understand that we can't rely solely on homegrown players, but as much as I hate the thought of dishing out mega contracts, I hate passing over our own for middling free agents even more.
Let's give Andujar another year at 3B first, he may surprise us with his improvement in defense.
This signing is basically an exercise in not committing long-term to a mega free agent contract and leaving open the playing time and money for home grown talent.
I remember arguing who was better Mantle or Maris. Also who was better Mantle or Mays? How long can you do Mantle or Mays today without the race card getting thrown into the argument. It wasn't black or white in my neighborhood as a kid. It was Met fans vs Yankee fans driven by the loyalty and passion for your team and that was fun. There was no internet so it was face to face. you could not get nasty with impunity like the internet, you would get punched in the mouth. You could not google stats on the internet, you looked at the stats on the back of baseball cards. If you did get in a fight you did not harbor ill feelings like on the internet today. You ended up being the best of friends. Sound crazy, well it is true.
as "Ridiculously Versatile" & I know as a Yankee employee he has to drink the Kool Aid, but the guy is a 2B,period! What I don't find any of the reporters questioning is the effect this has on Gleyber Torres.He's your top prospect/rookie from last year (I know some will argue Andujar but ?) & finally,after jerking him around in the minors,playing him at 3B,SS & 2B,the Yankees seemed to settle into the belief that 2B was his best position(some of you will argue it was because Didi was already at SS but whatever).He was good but sometimes shaky as any kid would be getting acclimated to a position. I was hopeful this year he would get a full season under his belt & with that,would become a stellar glove at the position. Now,with the addition of DJ(a 3 time GG winner), it seems Gleyber will become the movable piece in the infield,moving to SS when Tulo needs a rest or becoming the SS (until Didi returns) if Tulo craps out.And,I've even read that he could see some time at 3B,predicated on Andujar's performance. Unless there is still a trade that Cashman has planned,Gleyber will get jerked around again-not something you really want to do to your top prospect/rookie!
the versatility angle so hard with him. He's played 245 innings at 3B. Not a lot but not bad. Then 4 innings at SS and 13 at 1B. Okay, that's... not good. He'll probably be making mistakes at those positions due to lack of experience alone. If the guy is an elite glove at 2B then let him do his thing there for the most part this season and let Torres move to SS and 3B when he needs to. Torres has probably played 3B about as much as LeMahieu has.
I mean, I'm sure the guy can pull off the other infield positions well enough in a pinch but I don't think we should be seeing him bouncing around from position to position all season. Just let the guy play great defense at 2B. That's what he knows and he has been doing it for years. If injuries happen and they need him at 1B or something, so be it. But the way I see it, right now the best option defensively is Torres at 3B and LeMahieu at 2B.
If Gleyber is as good as we hope he is, others will make way
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James Paxton and the Yankees settled for $8.575M, avoiding arbitration. Yankees signed all their arb-eligible guys except Luis Severino. Betances ($7.25M), Bird ($1.2M), Didi ($11.75M), Gray ($7.5M), Hicks ($6M), Kahnle ($1.3875M) and Romine ($1.8M) were the others.
Who is even discussing this as a possibility - source?
The way it looks now is Machado to the White Sox and Harper to Philly.
So they cant be negotiating with him because you havent heard of it through the media?!
There is not one shred of evidence that NYY is in on Harper - not one. Actually the GM of NYY Brian Cashman made a public comment that the team has no interest in Harper.
But people like you need to conjure bullshit and fantasy up to make the internet a better place...
Youve obviosuly never followed the Yankees before. Or sports at all.
Okay 12/18 Dupe... What was your previous handle/s?
so YOU'RE the 1!
But barring an enormous surprise, this is it for Manny. Which is incredibly disappointing
Not necessarily IMO. What it does say to me is if they sign Manny they'd definitely trade Andujar.
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Good one.
Signing this guy and Tulo rather than Machado? Yeah, I'd say that's pretty good evidence.
Passing on both Harper and Machado so that they can rummage through Goodwill for reclamation projects and mediocre fill-ins seems shortsighted to me, but who am I to throw stones?
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Not necessarily IMO. What it does say to me is if they sign Manny they'd definitely trade Andujar.
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DJ LeMahieu hit .276/.321/.428 last season with 15 home runs. His addition would give the Yankees a good defensive option at second base should Gleyber Torres need to slot in at short.
2/24 is not backup money.
It has occurred to me that if Cashman had made the decision to trade Andujar, he would do it regardless of Manny outcome.
Not sure but I hope so. Fuck Machado.
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Not sure but I hope so. Fuck Machado.
Yes, we don't want our team to be better!
It means Gleyber is the SS if Tulo don't make it.
Machado is the better player - no doubt. But for a guy with 30 HR who can hit for average, Andujar's making peanuts makes the overall value better.
They must think he'll improve defensively.
I was hoping they'd ink Machado - but as the offseason has progressed, it's become more and more clear that the Yanks just don't have him in their plans.
It's also not out of the question for Andujar to become a top flight hitter. It's really just a matter of whether or not he can handle being a 3B long-term or if it's going to kill his value to the point where he's got to be moved off.
The #Whitesox and #Phillies have been aggressive in their interest all winter for Machado while the #Yankees never made an offer.
Lowrie was a better fit for this NYY lineup.
Lowrie was a better fit for this NYY lineup.
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The #Whitesox and #Phillies have been aggressive in their interest all winter for Machado while the #Yankees never made an offer.
Yeah, that is a bullshit tweet imo. Supposedly only the White Sox made an offer. Nobody is making a true offer to have it shopped around.
It's possible, but I'd be beyond shocked
Not even close. Once they took on Stanton's contract, that closed the door to anyone mega-contract free agent.
God I hope so. But not holding my breath.
4.6 oWAR is fantastic - which is where he was at last year.
It's all about the glove.
I've heard he's been in Tampa for a few weeks now working to improve. I like that and kind of solidifies everything I've heard about him being a hard worker who not know is a great teammate but wants to improve and is willing to put in the work.
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LeMahieu has been worth $15m-plus per year by FanGraphs metrics for four years running and thats the version of WAR that by *far* likes him the least and here we are again with the overpay stuff.
I think we're, for the most part, probably looking at the 2019 Yanks.
Another BP arm is probably coming... not sure if they'll move in on Ottavino or go cheaper on someone like Warren.
But I think as far as hitters go, save for a smaller piece or two, we're probably not going to see many more additions.
1. Positional versatility
2. Defense
I don't love the numbers away from Coors with the stick, but that's not why NYY signed him.
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Not sure but I hope so. Fuck Machado.
Yes, we don't want our team to be better!
I don't like him and don't want to root for him. We all have different preferences as fans but I don't care about winning at all costs. Its fine if you feel different.
Probably not going to see any championships, either.
Sign me up anytime the 2019 Yankees add a gold glove infielder with a 350 OBP and a 1:2 BB/K ratio.
Now go get Harper and we're good to go.
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DJ LeMahieu hit .276/.321/.428 last season with 15 home runs. His addition would give the Yankees a good defensive option at second base should Gleyber Torres need to slot in at short.
I am not sure I agree with this move. Isn't this the kind of player you pick up in February on a make-good one year deal?
DJ has VERY limited experience at 3B and 1B- though he has not played either spot in over 4 years. Thus, he is really only a 2B at this point- albeit a VERY good defensive 2B. The money indicates starter, which would also mean Torres must move off of 2B.
DJ was the primary #2 hole hitter in the Colorado lineup. A good OBP guy might be a good idea in front of Judge, Sanchez and Stanton- but is this the best fit?
We also need to remember that the Yanks had Torres play a lot of 3B, 2B and SS in the minors. He MIGHT be moving to 3B? Defensively, Torres would be an upgrade at 3B, but his mental lapses might hurt there too. His bat is enough there too.
What to do with Andujar then?
I would understand signing Machado, but I am not sure I understand this move as it appears to all but guarantee that one of Torres or Andujar gets traded.
The numbers I posted are LeMahieu's career numbers away from Coors. No cherrypicking, no SSS.
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Probably not going to see any championships, either.
Honestly, I think it's more about the pitching - we have a championship caliber lineup. There's no way this lineup isn't good enough to win a World Series.
Paxton is the "X" factor in 2019, IMO. Can we get ~175+ innings?
Severino is right there with him - can he fix the pitch tipping and be first half Sevy again?
If both of those questions are answered favorably, we're going to be right back in the mix.
Maybe they'll surprise us with Harper... but I'd be absolutely stunned. I just don't see the fit.
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DJ LeMahieu hit .276/.321/.428 last season with 15 home runs. His addition would give the Yankees a good defensive option at second base should Gleyber Torres need to slot in at short.
I am not sure I agree with this move. Isn't this the kind of player you pick up in February on a make-good one year deal?
DJ has VERY limited experience at 3B and 1B- though he has not played either spot in over 4 years. Thus, he is really only a 2B at this point- albeit a VERY good defensive 2B. The money indicates starter, which would also mean Torres must move off of 2B.
DJ was the primary #2 hole hitter in the Colorado lineup. A good OBP guy might be a good idea in front of Judge, Sanchez and Stanton- but is this the best fit?
We also need to remember that the Yanks had Torres play a lot of 3B, 2B and SS in the minors. He MIGHT be moving to 3B? Defensively, Torres would be an upgrade at 3B, but his mental lapses might hurt there too. His bat is enough there too.
What to do with Andujar then?
I would understand signing Machado, but I am not sure I understand this move as it appears to all but guarantee that one of Torres or Andujar gets traded.
I thought about Torres at 3B also Rich. I think he will be an above average defensive infielder at 3B, 2B or SS long term. This move opens a lot of options for NYY.
He has flexibility and there has been a run on middle infielders to the Yankees needed to do something, regardless of Machado. LeMahieu can help this team, but let's see where the Machado thing lands. He has a place on this team. I still hope they get Machado but it feels increasingly likely the Yankees are going to watch Manny and Harper go elsewhere.
12th in the majors with RISP.
Our offense was on par with the Red Sox during the regular season, too. They stole a LOT more bases than we did - but we hit about 60 more HR's.
I think a lot of the situational hitting stuff was put under a microscope in the ALDS and because we struggled and the Red Sox didn't, it created this narrative that the Yanks are awful hitting with runners in scoring position, but they really weren't.
I'm really not that concerned with the offense.
The starting pitching is what will either elevate us to a World Series team or keep us where we were in 2018.
Zero chance. Cashman loves him.
Andujar has no position now and is most likely gone.
Maybe that is the best justification for DJ? He was injured for almost the whole month of May and most of July last year, so his numbers were down as a result. However, from 2015-2017, he was an OBP machine out of the #2 spot in the Rockie lineup- getting on base, though with very little power.
On a interesting note- the Yanks now have the Rockies old middle INF combo back together- DJ and Tulo. That's some serious strong defense up the middle- though health is always in question with Tulo.
Would the Yanks use DJ as a leadoff hitter? He did get about 290 ABs as the Colorado leadoff man last year.
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Zero chance. Cashman loves him.
Andujar has no position now and is most likely gone.
I agree he's gone if they sign Machado but not as the team is right now.
So true. I'm sure our offseason is as stunning to the Sawx and Astros as it is to Yankee fans. I'm willing to wait and see about Harper and Machado before completely losing faith.
I think Lemahieu is going to play a few times a week all over the infield and play in late innings especially for Andujar and bat 8th or 9th when he starts.
I think the only player he affects in 2019 is Wade who would have had a shot at that role and anyone comparing him to Torreyes is way off he's a much better player on both sides of the ball.
I think Lemahieu is going to play a few times a week all over the infield and play in late innings especially for Andujar and bat 8th or 9th when he starts.
I think the only player he affects in 2019 is Wade who would have had a shot at that role and anyone comparing him to Torreyes is way off he's a much better player on both sides of the ball.
Not at 12M a year. This guy will start somewhere on the diamond.
I think Lemahieu is going to play a few times a week all over the infield and play in late innings especially for Andujar and bat 8th or 9th when he starts.
I think the only player he affects in 2019 is Wade who would have had a shot at that role and anyone comparing him to Torreyes is way off he's a much better player on both sides of the ball.
2 years 24 Mill for a few times a week? Unlikely.
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So true. I'm sure our offseason is as stunning to the Sawx and Astros as it is to Yankee fans. I'm willing to wait and see about Harper and Machado before completely losing faith.
Or they simply don't want to pay Machado what he wants. Have you guys heard of a gray area before? Just because you can afford it doesn't mean you should/have to do it.
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Zero chance. Cashman loves him.
Andujar has no position now and is most likely gone.
Another possibility- maybe the Yanks move Stanton to LF full time and put Andujar at DH? Sure, they lose their best OF glove (Gardner) and put only an average at best OF in LF- but it allows them to keep Andujar.
Remember, there are no guarantees that Tulo stays healthy- and right now, it looks like Plan B is to move Torres to SS. In that case, if they trade Andujar, they don't have any sort of Plan B at 3B. However, if Andujar is at DH, he can at least be shifted to 3B on occasion as needed.
In addition, if DJ has been brought in to bat leadoff, there really isn't a good fit for Gardner in the lineup. The 9 spot might be needed for Tulo. Thus, maybe benching Gardner and putting Stanton out there is the best solution?
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The Yankees announced today that they have signed RHP Drew Hutchison (1/10/19) and OF Matt Lipka (1/5/19) to minor league contracts with invitations to Major League Spring Training.
That's fine, but perhaps they should tone down the "fully operational death star" rhetoric in the meantime.
They needed a plus deffender and his bat plays better then most top glove guys.
$12M is a lot for a bench player. I have to wonder if the Yankees are considering shifting Torres to short while Didi recovers and play LeMahieu at 2nd, where he is a gold glover. They keep Andujar at 3rd and pull him late for defense. I have no idea where Tulo fits into this thing realistically. But he's essentially a glorified spring training invite so there is no risk.
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The #Whitesox and #Phillies have been aggressive in their interest all winter for Machado while the #Yankees never made an offer.
Yeah, that is a bullshit tweet imo. Supposedly only the White Sox made an offer. Nobody is making a true offer to have it shopped around.
Like someone else above mentioned, Nightengale is wrong more often then he is right, credibility factor is minimal at best.
With that said, I think they are done, other than adding a reliever. I didn't see this one coming. How are they going to utilize him?
Can he play some 1B, they may wind up needing him there at some point during the season.
I wonder if Hicks hitting 2nd might not be a better idea. Having two big OBP guys in front of Judge, Stanton and Sanchez might be a good idea.
I don't think DJ is going to the bench. I think he is the new 2B and Torres is going to 3B. Remember that the Yanks gave Gardner $7M to be a maybe in LF. The gave Walker $5M to be a utility guy. They aren't giving DJ $12M over two years to be a utility guy.
It depends on his health, and also some productivity.
Lets face it, Yanks are paying him the major league min.
Toronto is carrying the freight here.
No, DJ is probably the new leadoff hitter. If not, the #2 hitter. Outside of his injury plagued 2018, he has been a solid OBP guy for a number of years now. You want that at the top of your lineup- ahead of guys like Judge, Stanton and Sanchez.
Lowrie was a good signing for NYM - and I think there's logic behind the Yanks signing LeMahieu.
These aren't "sexy" additions - but these are always the types of good depth players that winning teams have.
LeMahieu hasn't been great with the stick away from Coors - but he's not a bad hitter, he's a very good defender, and he can move around the diamond a bit.
I'm not in love with it, but I understand why the Yanks did it.
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No, DJ is probably the new leadoff hitter. If not, the #2 hitter. Outside of his injury plagued 2018, he has been a solid OBP guy for a number of years now. You want that at the top of your lineup- ahead of guys like Judge, Stanton and Sanchez.
.311 OBP away from Coors Field.
Given Tulo's injury past, he might not even make it out of Spring training healthy.
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considered making no sense? Better infield defense and depth is one of the top priorities of this offseason, IMO.
It is from the newest planet orbiting BBI lately. That the Yanks are cheap and if they don't get either Harper or Machado, it is an epic failure.
I find this very, very hard to believe. Lemahieu was available as was Lowrie, Marwin Gonzalez is still out there too. I think the Yankees expect Tulo to be very solid and continues to be part of their plan. 16 teams spoke to him and the said the Yankees were most aggressive.
Like I said, I'm not gaga over it but I don't understand why people seem annoyed at it or don't understand why the Yanks would sign him.
I guess because it makes Machado far less likely.
The issue people are having determining LeMahieu's value probably has a lot to do with being a Coors guy.
FWIW - he seemed to change his approach this past year. He started using LF a bit more. Didn't get too pull happy - seemed like he was just looking for a balanced approach.
Like I said, I'm not gaga over it but I don't understand why people seem annoyed at it or don't understand why the Yanks would sign him.
I guess because it makes Machado far less likely.
The issue people are having determining LeMahieu's value probably has a lot to do with being a Coors guy.
FWIW - he seemed to change his approach this past year. He started using LF a bit more. Didn't get too pull happy - seemed like he was just looking for a balanced approach.
Defense isn't sexy in baseball unless your Andruw or Edmonds. To this day people argue with me over Simmons. LeMahieu also battled with oblique issues this season so that likely impacted his numbers.
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It's not like LeMahieu sucks. He was a 5.3 bWAR player just 2 years ago. Even a 3 bWAR season in 2018 when he missed around 35 games is very solid.
Like I said, I'm not gaga over it but I don't understand why people seem annoyed at it or don't understand why the Yanks would sign him.
I guess because it makes Machado far less likely.
The issue people are having determining LeMahieu's value probably has a lot to do with being a Coors guy.
FWIW - he seemed to change his approach this past year. He started using LF a bit more. Didn't get too pull happy - seemed like he was just looking for a balanced approach.
Defense isn't sexy in baseball unless your Andruw or Edmonds. To this day people argue with me over Simmons. LeMahieu also battled with oblique issues this season so that likely impacted his numbers.
Yep - it's not Machado and not sexy, so... therefore, not good.
The Yankees won three in a row with butchers like Jeter, Bernie, and Posada in what are supposedly defense-first positions.
They look "cheap" now but the payroll on this team will eventually balloon. They need a starting pitcher more. I have to believe that if a front of the line starter hit the market, the Yankees would hand over a blank check. A 3B? A sort of need, but not nearly as big as it was in 03. Offensively, Andujar and Machado had about the same stats last year. We wouldn't have passed the Sox anyway. He doesn't really move the needle THAT much.
Or maybe I'm an idiot and BBI will yell at me.
Definitely valid.
I'm really starting to think that history could be very unkind to this Yankees offseason, but it won't be because of this move.
I know that people LOVE this RAB graphic because they THINK it justifies their belief that Hal is cheap. However, it is what is NOT in that graph that undermines their entire argument.
The Stadium isn't free- the mortgage is huge- one estimate had it at almost $90M. Others closer to $80M. Regardless, that comes out of those revenues.
The Yanks have HUGE expenses for refurbishing minor league and major league facilities- such as the ones in Tampa. They also spend a LOT of money on minor league coaching and people responsible for getting the minor leaguers into top shape.
They spend on a large scale on their domestic and international scouting departments- both for amateurs and pros. They also might have MLB's largest analytics department.
None of the above is free- and it isn't considered payroll- but the Yanks are willing to outspend ALL of their competition in these areas.
But go ahead with the silly trope that Hal is cheap. It just demonstrates how little you know.
By the way,it was actually $183 million because they collected 80 cents on the dollar from the insurance policy they had on Ellsbury!
Well, part of the reason they won in the playoffs is their shitty bottom third of the order decided to hit for no reason.
In the meantime, Hal thanks you for your ardent defense of him and his spending. Hopefully the Yanks can move find the money in the budget this season to make those mortgage payments. As a home-owning American, I can attest that it can be difficult to meet that requirement each month. I can only imagine it's the same for the Yankees.
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It's about them deciding to not spend money anymore to get the best players when they're available. From a business perspective, I get it. From a fan/competition perspective, it's bullshit. Maybe they'll open up the pocketbooks and surprise me, but Hal is managing this team like it's the Mets, not the Yankees.
I know that people LOVE this RAB graphic because they THINK it justifies their belief that Hal is cheap. However, it is what is NOT in that graph that undermines their entire argument.
The Stadium isn't free- the mortgage is huge- one estimate had it at almost $90M. Others closer to $80M. Regardless, that comes out of those revenues.
The Yanks have HUGE expenses for refurbishing minor league and major league facilities- such as the ones in Tampa. They also spend a LOT of money on minor league coaching and people responsible for getting the minor leaguers into top shape.
They spend on a large scale on their domestic and international scouting departments- both for amateurs and pros. They also might have MLB's largest analytics department.
None of the above is free- and it isn't considered payroll- but the Yanks are willing to outspend ALL of their competition in these areas.
But go ahead with the silly trope that Hal is cheap. It just demonstrates how little you know.
This is what they're selling you and I'm sure they're very happy to see you buying it. It's a black box that allows for justification for not paying a guy like Machado when he hits the open market. They're counting on fans like you to accept it at face value. For example, they have a 20 person analytics team. How much do you think that costs? Scouts are not expensive hires either.
Are the Red Sox for example stupid for spending their money on baseball players instead of these bells and whistles? They just won a WS.
Your comments paint a very black and white picture. The truth is far more gray. They don't need to go and get Corbin, Machado, Harper and all the top relievers to satisfy fans desire to spend the money that those fans are spending on the team. Signing just Machado for example wouldn't make a dent in their extremely healthy margins, it would just put them on par with their hated rivals who just won a WS, their fourth since 2004.
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It's about them deciding to not spend money anymore to get the best players when they're available. From a business perspective, I get it. From a fan/competition perspective, it's bullshit. Maybe they'll open up the pocketbooks and surprise me, but Hal is managing this team like it's the Mets, not the Yankees.
I know that people LOVE this RAB graphic because they THINK it justifies their belief that Hal is cheap. However, it is what is NOT in that graph that undermines their entire argument.
The Stadium isn't free- the mortgage is huge- one estimate had it at almost $90M. Others closer to $80M. Regardless, that comes out of those revenues.
The Yanks have HUGE expenses for refurbishing minor league and major league facilities- such as the ones in Tampa. They also spend a LOT of money on minor league coaching and people responsible for getting the minor leaguers into top shape.
They spend on a large scale on their domestic and international scouting departments- both for amateurs and pros. They also might have MLB's largest analytics department.
None of the above is free- and it isn't considered payroll- but the Yanks are willing to outspend ALL of their competition in these areas.
But go ahead with the silly trope that Hal is cheap. It just demonstrates how little you know.
619M - 224M = 395M. Subtract 90 M for debt service and that leave 305M. Exactly how many analytics nerds do you think they employ?
As if those two things are related in any way....
I'm talking about missing a genuine opportunity, not spending beaucoup bucks just because they have them.
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It's about them deciding to not spend money anymore to get the best players when they're available. From a business perspective, I get it. From a fan/competition perspective, it's bullshit. Maybe they'll open up the pocketbooks and surprise me, but Hal is managing this team like it's the Mets, not the Yankees.
I know that people LOVE this RAB graphic because they THINK it justifies their belief that Hal is cheap. However, it is what is NOT in that graph that undermines their entire argument.
The Stadium isn't free- the mortgage is huge- one estimate had it at almost $90M. Others closer to $80M. Regardless, that comes out of those revenues.
The Yanks have HUGE expenses for refurbishing minor league and major league facilities- such as the ones in Tampa. They also spend a LOT of money on minor league coaching and people responsible for getting the minor leaguers into top shape.
They spend on a large scale on their domestic and international scouting departments- both for amateurs and pros. They also might have MLB's largest analytics department.
None of the above is free- and it isn't considered payroll- but the Yanks are willing to outspend ALL of their competition in these areas.
But go ahead with the silly trope that Hal is cheap. It just demonstrates how little you know.
619M - 224M = 395M. Subtract 90 M for debt service and that leave 305M. Exactly how many analytics nerds do you think they employ?
Must be tens of millions of dollars worth obviously...
I'm talking about missing a genuine opportunity, not spending beaucoup bucks just because they have them.
Exactly. They're selling this narrative around spending elsewhere when it's complete hogwash. What makes more sense, spending on a player who is already a 26 year old star at a position of need or spending on a bunch of disparate things that *could* lead to developing more players like that? If we assume for a second that that's where all the profits are going and they're far outspending the rest of the league elsewhere, it's not like the $30M/year for Machado or Harper is going to completely derail the entire organization from a player development and analytics standpoint...
I for one will go to less games this year than I normally do. They don't want to spend? I don't want to spend. Easy enough.
How do you figure? based on arbitration increases?
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in what % of their revenues they spend on payroll, full stop. But there's no reason they shouldn't regularly be right up at $240-250M with LAD and BOS, most especially when there are 26 year old superstars available for 'just money' on the market.
I'm talking about missing a genuine opportunity, not spending beaucoup bucks just because they have them.
Exactly. They're selling this narrative around spending elsewhere when it's complete hogwash. What makes more sense, spending on a player who is already a 26 year old star at a position of need or spending on a bunch of disparate things that *could* lead to developing more players like that? If we assume for a second that that's where all the profits are going and they're far outspending the rest of the league elsewhere, it's not like the $30M/year for Machado or Harper is going to completely derail the entire organization from a player development and analytics standpoint...
I for one will go to less games this year than I normally do. They don't want to spend? I don't want to spend. Easy enough.
bye Felicia
Not after spending $12M on DJ.
Take a look at the link below. Before accounting for DJ, they were already over the luxury tax line. After accounting for the $12M, they are going to have a payroll around $219M- and they are likely not done spending. With that said, Gray probably gets trade- so we subtract his likely $8-9M salary.
So, let's rough guess a payroll around $225M to start the season.
Sox will start around $235M. Nats (only other luxury tax payor last year) are under $200M- though when they add Harper, they will likely jump to around $230M. Dodgers currently are around $186M.
Yanks will likely start the season either 2nd or 3rd in payroll- but we'll still hear the Hal is cheap trope.
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That should take them back under
Not after spending $12M on DJ.
Take a look at the link below. Before accounting for DJ, they were already over the luxury tax line. After accounting for the $12M, they are going to have a payroll around $219M- and they are likely not done spending. With that said, Gray probably gets trade- so we subtract his likely $8-9M salary.
So, let's rough guess a payroll around $225M to start the season.
Sox will start around $235M. Nats (only other luxury tax payor last year) are under $200M- though when they add Harper, they will likely jump to around $230M. Dodgers currently are around $186M.
Yanks will likely start the season either 2nd or 3rd in payroll- but we'll still hear the Hal is cheap trope. Yanks 2019 payroll and luxury tax payroll figures - ( New Window )
That's a good link. Thanks
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Im disappointed but not angry. I was hoping that Machado wanted to play for the Yanks so much that a shorter deal at about 30M per would get it done, but I suspect it wouldnt, and having recognized that, Cashman moved on.
Well know more when he eventually signs.
Because most of those years are the prime years of a superstar. This is not 32 year old Albert Pujols we're talking about here.
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why would we want a 10 year contract on the books
Because most of those years are the prime years of a superstar. This is not 32 year old Albert Pujols we're talking about here.
Greg, relax. You are going to have an aneurysm.
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why would we want a 10 year contract on the books
Because most of those years are the prime years of a superstar. This is not 32 year old Albert Pujols we're talking about here.
If you say so. The likelihood of him delivering even half those years at a superstar level are still not great, doesn't matter how old he is. If it was such a guarantee than teams wouldn't hesitate on it.
You're talking about something that's about four years down the line. Cmon. Worry about that then. Worry about building a championship juggernaut now.
The Yankees are more concerned with being clever and value-oriented now than being great.
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why would we want a 10 year contract on the books
Because most of those years are the prime years of a superstar. This is not 32 year old Albert Pujols we're talking about here.
If you say so. The likelihood of him delivering even half those years at a superstar level are still not great, doesn't matter how old he is. If it was such a guarantee than teams wouldn't hesitate on it.
There's more religion than logic in that statement. It's an OK belief to have, of course. But there really isn't much to back that up.
You have some people here who think he is more of a liability to the org than an asset, and others fretting about the huge problem of having to pay him big bucks after his 4 more years of control.
You could make the argument that since the Yankees have shown zero interest in Harper, they have zero interest in Harper. Or you can make the argument that this has all been part of the dance between Boros and Cashman that will ultimately end with Boros making a call to Cashman and saying "going...going..." and waiting to see if Cashman interrupts before he gets to "gone" (Boros has already pointed out how the Yankees came out of nowhere to sign Teixeira, he knows damn well the Yankees aren't out of it until they're out of it).
Both arguments can be backed up by everything we've seen and heard so far. We won't know which is valid until after the fact. But for all those who were hoping the Yankees would make a bigtime flash this offseason, no reason to give up hope just yet!
Alternatively, Rich doesn't have a fucking clue what he's talking about and is actually just a condescending asshole.
Alternatively, Rich doesn't have a fucking clue what he's talking about and is actually just a condescending asshole.
You are the clueless one. You still haven't offered a SINGLE factual point and can't offer anything more than "spend because I want you to and I demand it as an entitled Yankee fan."
I spelled out a LOT more spending than analytics (especially the Stadium mortgage and minor league facilities, coaches, etc), but since you have ZERO evidence on your side, you have resorted to name-calling and to be blunt "fake news" to make it sound like you have a clue.
grow up.
LeMahieu is better in the field than Lowrie. Lowrie's a better hitter but they probably wanted the glove. He's also a high exit velocity guy which we know the Yankees love. They probably think there's some untapped upside a la Voit.
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a few days ago? Offseason has been dogshit so far.
LeMahieu is better in the field than Lowrie. Lowrie's a better hitter but they probably wanted the glove. He's also a high exit velocity guy which we know the Yankees love. They probably think there's some untapped upside a la Voit.
Aren't Lemahieu's home/road splits significantly different after playing in Denver? That makes me a bit nervous. And I hope this isn't prelude to Andujar leaving.
The guy is going to be 31 and has been in MLB for seven years. He is what he is.
This is what I'm talking about with being clever - everything they do now is an attempt to ape Billy Beane.
What the fuck happened...
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a few days ago? Offseason has been dogshit so far.
LeMahieu is better in the field than Lowrie. Lowrie's a better hitter but they probably wanted the glove. He's also a high exit velocity guy which we know the Yankees love. They probably think there's some untapped upside a la Voit.
Aren't Lemahieu's home/road splits significantly different after playing in Denver? That makes me a bit nervous. And I hope this isn't prelude to Andujar leaving.
Yeah, not saying I agree with the assessment but that's my guess as to what they're thinking.
Similarly I agree with you, Greg. Voit will be 28 in a month as well and they must be relying on him to produce at league average or above for a 1b at the plate next year given his glove.
I need to get out more.
We should all be disappointed that Harper and Machado aren't going to be signed but shouldn't be surprised or concerned that this will interfere with the continued development of a franchise team. This team needed defense and better starters heading into 2019.
If Harper or Manny had really stepped up last season perhaps there would have been a real bidding war. Manny showed his character and Harper proved he can be shifted on and is not as consistent as you need if you are paying 30mm per season.
My real cheese is passing on Kikuchi and not locking up Moustakas.
Yay.
It's no guarantee Andujar can just play 1B. Stanton is pretty much clogging DH. Where else is he going to go?
It could be as simple as this...
The Yankees really like Miguel Andujar and don't feel like they need to spend ~275 Million dollars on Manny Machado and commit to a player for 7-10 years.
I know that's not what a lot of people want to hear. Hell, I was expecting Machado and still think the Yanks can find ways to be creative and make it work, but again - it only works if Andujar is being traded or Gregorius isn't in the future plans. Maybe Miggy isn't and maybe Didi is.
This is a solid move for a solid major league player after their very good SS was injured and given the time to come back from TJ Surgery may not be much of a factor this year.
And with unproven minor league assets in the Middle Infield
I am reminded of a large dark grouper in the shadows seeming asleep until a morsel slides by. Letting the short term market on Harper and Kimbrel and Machado come down to their easy grab or not knowing that as finances squeeze other teams over the longer haul the Yankees have more room than the other top spenders if not this year then the next two.
Honestly guys, we do not know if they are watching Andujar practice 6 hours a day and believe they have a 24 year old with average defense who is a better hitter than Machado as he hits his prime years and learns to be more patient. Guys, with the same AB as Machado last year Andujar would have hit 30HR and 101 RBI's. As a rookie. With offensive and defensive upside.
Whats more, as long as we are speculating, lets realize that as the Yankees "look" like they are more and more set- the price for Machado and Harper and all other FA comes down as one of the major possible bidders "seems" to be walking away. Exactly where we want the market.
More pieces to trade and a top off the extreme end of what Machado and Harper will go for.
Remember they also get tied up for 10 years. If the town, the organization stink the WS and playoff fame and advertising dollar potential shrinks for 10 years as well.
For the Yankees, I bet its the 10 years they want to move into option land and 7 years of the less risk prime prime years.
Or they want to scoop if a morsel walks by in July.
Also remember they collect the insurance on Ellsbury would paint a more accurate picture of their net MLB Player payroll expense.
Smart matters. Lets wait and see. There is a reason those guys are not yet signed elsewhere either
.297 37 HRs and 107 RBIs - .538 slugging, 75 extra base hits
Andujar 2018:
.297 27 HRs and 92 RBIs - .531 slugging, 78 extra base hits
We all know that Machado is a superior defender and his offensive numbers should hold pretty steady moving forward.
Andujar's defensive issues are mostly throwing. He has a very strong arm and there is no reason that tweaks to his mechanics and footwork can't help him become a reliable 3B.
If Andujar hadn't emerged last year, signing Machado would have been a no-brainer. Right now, I'm not so sure...especially if they can sign another piece like Ottavino for the bullpen.
If you've been following the contracts of the last couple of years,even 10 year contracts aren't 10 year contracts. Clubs/Players have options put in at 3-4 yrs,then probably 6-7 years giving both sides outs. No excuse for not bringing in at least 1 of 2 26 year old superstars w/this type of contract. I can't remember this type of occurrence happening in FA & to simply pass on it,seems extremely shortsighted. Rich makes good arguments about the Yankees $$$ but unless he's Hal's accountant,he doesn't know the real bottom line(Like the $$$ they make from the YES network).Now,if Rich added Hal's desire to repurchase the rest of the YES network that he stupidly sold,maybe we can see where the $$$ that could go to Manny and/or Harper will actually be going!
yatqb, I think that would be predicated on what agent/player requested per year. If it was a 3-4 year option w/the opportunity to become an FA again at 30,it could be doable.Now,I think it would be more likely w/Manny than Harper because of Boras but 26 year old superstars are the best investments you can make in this particular business & you would think a businessman like Hal would recognize that!
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.297 37 HRs and 107 RBIs - .538 slugging, 75 extra base hits
Andujar 2018:
.297 27 HRs and 92 RBIs - .531 slugging, 78 extra base hits
We all know that Machado is a superior defender and his offensive numbers should hold pretty steady moving forward.
Andujar's defensive issues are mostly throwing. He has a very strong arm and there is no reason that tweaks to his mechanics and footwork can't help him become a reliable 3B.
If Andujar hadn't emerged last year, signing Machado would have been a no-brainer. Right now, I'm not so sure...especially if they can sign another piece like Ottavino for the bullpen.
After this move, I am starting to hope that the Yanks will make Gardner the 4th OF, put Stanton in LF and make Andujar the DH.
I know they lose their best defensive OF in that alignment, but Gardner hasn't offered much with the bat lately. Stanton is average in the OF, but the difference between Stanton and Gardner is less than the difference between say, Torres and Andujar defensively at 3B.
DJ and Tulo is a really good defensive middle INF and at least good offensively. Andujar is all bat right now, so DH is fine.
Torres has enough bat for 3B and enough arm as well. Given that they have pitchers who need some good defense behind them, that MIGHT improve pitching outcomes just because they have a defense in that alignment that might get more outs per balls put in play.
Assuming that Sanchez's BABIP reverts to the mean, that would result in a substantive plus at C as well. That COULD conceivably mean more wins even with possibly less offense.
Both arguments can be backed up by everything we've seen and heard so far. We won't know which is valid until after the fact. But for all those who were hoping the Yankees would make a bigtime flash this offseason, no reason to give up hope just yet! [/quote]
Whoever this guy is, he seems to think there may be hope on Harper:
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For the record, here on Jan. 11 at 2:59p, Im not convinced the Yankees are out of the Bryce Harper sweepstakes.
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Machado 2018:
.297 37 HRs and 107 RBIs - .538 slugging, 75 extra base hits
Andujar 2018:
.297 27 HRs and 92 RBIs - .531 slugging, 78 extra base hits
We all know that Machado is a superior defender and his offensive numbers should hold pretty steady moving forward.
Andujar's defensive issues are mostly throwing. He has a very strong arm and there is no reason that tweaks to his mechanics and footwork can't help him become a reliable 3B.
If Andujar hadn't emerged last year, signing Machado would have been a no-brainer. Right now, I'm not so sure...especially if they can sign another piece like Ottavino for the bullpen.
After this move, I am starting to hope that the Yanks will make Gardner the 4th OF, put Stanton in LF and make Andujar the DH.
I know they lose their best defensive OF in that alignment, but Gardner hasn't offered much with the bat lately. Stanton is average in the OF, but the difference between Stanton and Gardner is less than the difference between say, Torres and Andujar defensively at 3B.
DJ and Tulo is a really good defensive middle INF and at least good offensively. Andujar is all bat right now, so DH is fine.
Torres has enough bat for 3B and enough arm as well. Given that they have pitchers who need some good defense behind them, that MIGHT improve pitching outcomes just because they have a defense in that alignment that might get more outs per balls put in play.
Assuming that Sanchez's BABIP reverts to the mean, that would result in a substantive plus at C as well. That COULD conceivably mean more wins even with possibly less offense.
There's only one problem with this - where does Clint Frazier go?
He's got to play in the majors at this point. If we're not going to have a spot for him here, we'd need to deal him.
Both arguments can be backed up by everything we've seen and heard so far. We won't know which is valid until after the fact. But for all those who were hoping the Yankees would make a bigtime flash this offseason, no reason to give up hope just yet!
Whoever this guy is, he seems to think there may be hope on Harper:
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For the record, here on Jan. 11 at 2:59p, Im not convinced the Yankees are out of the Bryce Harper sweepstakes. [/quote]
He's just a fan speculating like the rest of us who happens to work for ESPN. I wouldn't get any hopes up. If they did sign Harper, it would be the biggest shocker of Cashman's career as GM. Bigger than Teixera. The media then said the Yankees were uninterested as did Cashman but at least then there was a gaping hole at first.
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As for Frazier, my guess is that he platoons with Gardy unless he wins the starting Lf job entirely.
We can move things around and create them, but it's easier said than done.
As for Frazier, my guess is that he platoons with Gardy unless he wins the starting Lf job entirely.
yatqb, I as well have been living on Twitter but I guess we'll have to see what he actually signs for.If it is an outrageous sum,then we can cut Hal some slack.However,if it's within the realm of being a sum that the Yankees could have signed him for,Hal's in for a rough year from the fans!
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Both arguments can be backed up by everything we've seen and heard so far. We won't know which is valid until after the fact. But for all those who were hoping the Yankees would make a bigtime flash this offseason, no reason to give up hope just yet!
Whoever this guy is, he seems to think there may be hope on Harper:
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For the record, here on Jan. 11 at 2:59p, Im not convinced the Yankees are out of the Bryce Harper sweepstakes.
He's just a fan speculating like the rest of us who happens to work for ESPN. I wouldn't get any hopes up. If they did sign Harper, it would be the biggest shocker of Cashman's career as GM. Bigger than Teixera. The media then said the Yankees were uninterested as did Cashman but at least then there was a gaping hole at first. [/quote]
LOL... the door closed to mega-deals like Harper's or Machado's after the Stanton trade was made. There's almost zero chance they are in on Harper.
I expect the Yankees to make him lift the ball and turn him into Daniel Murphy 2.0
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Machado 2018:
.297 37 HRs and 107 RBIs - .538 slugging, 75 extra base hits
Andujar 2018:
.297 27 HRs and 92 RBIs - .531 slugging, 78 extra base hits
We all know that Machado is a superior defender and his offensive numbers should hold pretty steady moving forward.
Andujar's defensive issues are mostly throwing. He has a very strong arm and there is no reason that tweaks to his mechanics and footwork can't help him become a reliable 3B.
If Andujar hadn't emerged last year, signing Machado would have been a no-brainer. Right now, I'm not so sure...especially if they can sign another piece like Ottavino for the bullpen.
After this move, I am starting to hope that the Yanks will make Gardner the 4th OF, put Stanton in LF and make Andujar the DH.
I know they lose their best defensive OF in that alignment, but Gardner hasn't offered much with the bat lately. Stanton is average in the OF, but the difference between Stanton and Gardner is less than the difference between say, Torres and Andujar defensively at 3B.
DJ and Tulo is a really good defensive middle INF and at least good offensively. Andujar is all bat right now, so DH is fine.
Torres has enough bat for 3B and enough arm as well. Given that they have pitchers who need some good defense behind them, that MIGHT improve pitching outcomes just because they have a defense in that alignment that might get more outs per balls put in play.
Assuming that Sanchez's BABIP reverts to the mean, that would result in a substantive plus at C as well. That COULD conceivably mean more wins even with possibly less offense.
There's only one problem with this - where does Clint Frazier go?
He's got to play in the majors at this point. If we're not going to have a spot for him here, we'd need to deal him.
Frazier needs to go to AAA for a few hundred ABs- he missed almost the entire season last year. He needs to prove he is healthy and can stay that way- AND be productive- before we think about how he fits in NY.
I don't think there's much left for him to learn down there - it's about time for him to be up with the big club if he's healthy.
They can't leave him in the minors all year, so eventually he's going to have to figure into this equation or they're going to have to trade him.
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Machado 2018:
.297 37 HRs and 107 RBIs - .538 slugging, 75 extra base hits
Andujar 2018:
.297 27 HRs and 92 RBIs - .531 slugging, 78 extra base hits
We all know that Machado is a superior defender and his offensive numbers should hold pretty steady moving forward.
Andujar's defensive issues are mostly throwing. He has a very strong arm and there is no reason that tweaks to his mechanics and footwork can't help him become a reliable 3B.
If Andujar hadn't emerged last year, signing Machado would have been a no-brainer. Right now, I'm not so sure...especially if they can sign another piece like Ottavino for the bullpen.
After this move, I am starting to hope that the Yanks will make Gardner the 4th OF, put Stanton in LF and make Andujar the DH.
I know they lose their best defensive OF in that alignment, but Gardner hasn't offered much with the bat lately. Stanton is average in the OF, but the difference between Stanton and Gardner is less than the difference between say, Torres and Andujar defensively at 3B.
DJ and Tulo is a really good defensive middle INF and at least good offensively. Andujar is all bat right now, so DH is fine.
Torres has enough bat for 3B and enough arm as well. Given that they have pitchers who need some good defense behind them, that MIGHT improve pitching outcomes just because they have a defense in that alignment that might get more outs per balls put in play.
Assuming that Sanchez's BABIP reverts to the mean, that would result in a substantive plus at C as well. That COULD conceivably mean more wins even with possibly less offense.
There's only one problem with this - where does Clint Frazier go?
He's got to play in the majors at this point. If we're not going to have a spot for him here, we'd need to deal him.
That and counting on Tulo to be the everyday shortstop, which I think is really risky given his age and injuries.
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Machado 2018:
.297 37 HRs and 107 RBIs - .538 slugging, 75 extra base hits
Andujar 2018:
.297 27 HRs and 92 RBIs - .531 slugging, 78 extra base hits
We all know that Machado is a superior defender and his offensive numbers should hold pretty steady moving forward.
Andujar's defensive issues are mostly throwing. He has a very strong arm and there is no reason that tweaks to his mechanics and footwork can't help him become a reliable 3B.
If Andujar hadn't emerged last year, signing Machado would have been a no-brainer. Right now, I'm not so sure...especially if they can sign another piece like Ottavino for the bullpen.
After this move, I am starting to hope that the Yanks will make Gardner the 4th OF, put Stanton in LF and make Andujar the DH.
I know they lose their best defensive OF in that alignment, but Gardner hasn't offered much with the bat lately. Stanton is average in the OF, but the difference between Stanton and Gardner is less than the difference between say, Torres and Andujar defensively at 3B.
DJ and Tulo is a really good defensive middle INF and at least good offensively. Andujar is all bat right now, so DH is fine.
Torres has enough bat for 3B and enough arm as well. Given that they have pitchers who need some good defense behind them, that MIGHT improve pitching outcomes just because they have a defense in that alignment that might get more outs per balls put in play.
Assuming that Sanchez's BABIP reverts to the mean, that would result in a substantive plus at C as well. That COULD conceivably mean more wins even with possibly less offense.
There's only one problem with this - where does Clint Frazier go?
He's got to play in the majors at this point. If we're not going to have a spot for him here, we'd need to deal him.
That and counting on Tulo to be the everyday shortstop, which I think is really risky given his age and injuries.
Yes - very, I agree
It's not going to happen but I would love it.
It's not going to happen but I would love it.
If Harper played first, he would be a perfect target for this team. First base seems to be the biggest question mark outside of short pending Didi coming back from injury.
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just makes me want Harper even more now. That lineup and the team depth would just be ruthless with him in it. I don't care if you have to try Stanton at 1B or even Harper at 1B or Gardner as the 4th OF. Whatever works.
It's not going to happen but I would love it.
If Harper played first, he would be a perfect target for this team. First base seems to be the biggest question mark outside of short pending Didi coming back from injury.
And 3B if Andujar doesn't improve his defense.
Torres will shift from 2B to SS to fill in until Didi returns is the best guess. Tulo will back-up. LeMahieu will cover 2B.
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player for them, but Cashman does? I have to imagine there is something else in the works here, because if not, then wow..
Torres will shift from 2B to SS to fill in until Didi returns is the best guess. Tulo will back-up. LeMahieu will cover 2B.
I'm pretty sure Cashman already said they're viewing Tulo as the SS while Didi is out. I think we'll see a decent amount of Torres at 3B while DJ plays 2B on those days.
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player for them, but Cashman does? I have to imagine there is something else in the works here, because if not, then wow..
Torres will shift from 2B to SS to fill in until Didi returns is the best guess. Tulo will back-up. LeMahieu will cover 2B.
No, this is Plan B. Tulo, if healthy is just the better SS.
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player for them, but Cashman does? I have to imagine there is something else in the works here, because if not, then wow..
Torres will shift from 2B to SS to fill in until Didi returns is the best guess. Tulo will back-up. LeMahieu will cover 2B.
I'm pretty sure Cashman already said they're viewing Tulo as the SS while Didi is out. I think we'll see a decent amount of Torres at 3B while DJ plays 2B on those days.
Wow. Then they really must be planning to move Stanton to left and Andujar to DH.
It's not going to happen but I would love it.
I'd be very comfortable with Gardner as the 4th outfielder if the regulars are Judge, Hicks, Harper and Stanton as DH.
Who is even discussing this as a possibility - source?
The way it looks now is Machado to the White Sox and Harper to Philly.
Who is even discussing this as a possibility - source?
The way it looks now is Machado to the White Sox and Harper to Philly.
So they cant be negotiating with him because you havent heard of it through the media?!
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to NYY coming from?
Who is even discussing this as a possibility - source?
The way it looks now is Machado to the White Sox and Harper to Philly.
So they cant be negotiating with him because you havent heard of it through the media?!
There is not one shred of evidence that NYY is in on Harper - not one. Actually the GM of NYY Brian Cashman made a public comment that the team has no interest in Harper.
But people like you need to conjure bullshit and fantasy up to make the internet a better place...
Who is even discussing this as a possibility - source?
The way it looks now is Machado to the White Sox and Harper to Philly.
Zero chance Harper signs with NY. After the Stanton trade, the door was effectively slammed shut on any new meg-deals.
Harper and Machado were NEVER really in Yankees plans unless they got a huge discount. We're no longer in the era of George Steinbrenner dollars, and the Yankees have to eventual pay all their young rising stars. The "evidence in our faces," has been there all along.
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to NYY coming from?
Who is even discussing this as a possibility - source?
The way it looks now is Machado to the White Sox and Harper to Philly.
So they cant be negotiating with him because you havent heard of it through the media?!
There is not one shred of evidence that NYY is in on Harper - not one. Actually the GM of NYY Brian Cashman made a public comment that the team has no interest in Harper.
But people like you need to conjure bullshit and fantasy up to make the internet a better place...
Im of the opinion that the Yankees arent out on a player until that player is no longer on the market. They can be trying to trade Stanton. They can be sitting back to see which domino falls first. Just because twitter isnt reporting it doesnt mean it isnt happening.
Getting mad at people for discussing rumors is dumb. Doesnt matter if its their rumor or someone elses, everyone is speculating and drawing conclusions based on limited knowledge. Thats what fans do.
I don't see either one coming here at this point - the positional fits just aren't lining up unless we create them via trade(s) - but there's always the off-chance that things crumble in other negotiations and NYY decide to become players at the 11th hour.
Until Machado and Harper are in Chicago and Philadelphia... or anywhere that isn't the Bronx, it's not completely off the table. Just highly, highly unlikely.
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to NYY coming from?
Who is even discussing this as a possibility - source?
The way it looks now is Machado to the White Sox and Harper to Philly.
So they cant be negotiating with him because you havent heard of it through the media?!
There is not one shred of evidence that NYY is in on Harper - not one. Actually the GM of NYY Brian Cashman made a public comment that the team has no interest in Harper.
But people like you need to conjure bullshit and fantasy up to make the internet a better place...
Youve obviosuly never followed the Yankees before. Or sports at all.
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Nolan Arenado asked for a record $30 million in arbitration. The #Rockies offered $24 million.
Would set a nice bar for his free agency.
Who wouldn't look forward to it? We have DJ LeMahieu now - THE DJ LeMahieu!!!!!
I understand that we can't rely solely on homegrown players, but as much as I hate the thought of dishing out mega contracts, I hate passing over our own for middling free agents even more.
Let's give Andujar another year at 3B first, he may surprise us with his improvement in defense.
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If we dont get either player the Yankees threads are going to be a real treat once the season begins. Im looking forward to it.
Who wouldn't look forward to it? We have DJ LeMahieu now - THE DJ LeMahieu!!!!!
Ill be honest, reading you pissing and moaning about it will be entertaining for me.
I understand that we can't rely solely on homegrown players, but as much as I hate the thought of dishing out mega contracts, I hate passing over our own for middling free agents even more.
Let's give Andujar another year at 3B first, he may surprise us with his improvement in defense.
This signing is basically an exercise in not committing long-term to a mega free agent contract and leaving open the playing time and money for home grown talent.
I mean, I'm sure the guy can pull off the other infield positions well enough in a pinch but I don't think we should be seeing him bouncing around from position to position all season. Just let the guy play great defense at 2B. That's what he knows and he has been doing it for years. If injuries happen and they need him at 1B or something, so be it. But the way I see it, right now the best option defensively is Torres at 3B and LeMahieu at 2B.
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James Paxton and the Yankees settled for $8.575M, avoiding arbitration. Yankees signed all their arb-eligible guys except Luis Severino. Betances ($7.25M), Bird ($1.2M), Didi ($11.75M), Gray ($7.5M), Hicks ($6M), Kahnle ($1.3875M) and Romine ($1.8M) were the others.
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In comment 14259211 JPinstripes said:
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to NYY coming from?
Who is even discussing this as a possibility - source?
The way it looks now is Machado to the White Sox and Harper to Philly.
So they cant be negotiating with him because you havent heard of it through the media?!
There is not one shred of evidence that NYY is in on Harper - not one. Actually the GM of NYY Brian Cashman made a public comment that the team has no interest in Harper.
But people like you need to conjure bullshit and fantasy up to make the internet a better place...
Youve obviosuly never followed the Yankees before. Or sports at all.
Okay 12/18 Dupe... What was your previous handle/s?