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superspynyg : 1/11/2019 12:42 pm
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It's not about being  
Heisenberg : 1/11/2019 2:35 pm : link
It's about them deciding to not spend money anymore to get the best players when they're available. From a business perspective, I get it. From a fan/competition perspective, it's bullshit. Maybe they'll open up the pocketbooks and surprise me, but Hal is managing this team like it's the Mets, not the Yankees.

the Sawx won because they had great players having insane years  
Greg from LI : 1/11/2019 2:36 pm : link
Not because of Brock Holt and Eddie fucking Scissorhands playing mediocre ball at multiple positions.
I'm not really a fan of Machado so I like this move  
crackerjack465 : 1/11/2019 2:51 pm : link
Cash really likes the players we have, and I know that Machado is a wonderful player but eventually you have to pay all of the guys you already have. You're going to have to pay Judge and Severino probably 35mm a year, Didi probably 15mm or so, Sanchez is a 20mm player, etc...

They look "cheap" now but the payroll on this team will eventually balloon. They need a starting pitcher more. I have to believe that if a front of the line starter hit the market, the Yankees would hand over a blank check. A 3B? A sort of need, but not nearly as big as it was in 03. Offensively, Andujar and Machado had about the same stats last year. We wouldn't have passed the Sox anyway. He doesn't really move the needle THAT much.

Or maybe I'm an idiot and BBI will yell at me.
BTW, remember that Dan Clark character?  
Greg from LI : 1/11/2019 2:51 pm : link
The guy who said Machado had decided on the Yankees? Yeah, he deleted his twitter account.
I'm fine with this move...  
Dunedin81 : 1/11/2019 3:02 pm : link
solidifies infield defense, provides an offensive dimension this team doesn't really have (low-K guy who could be a high-average hitter). I would have preferred Machado but if they weren't going to do that this might be the next best move.
RE: I'm fine with this move...  
bigbluehoya : 1/11/2019 3:04 pm : link
In comment 14258651 Dunedin81 said:
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solidifies infield defense, provides an offensive dimension this team doesn't really have (low-K guy who could be a high-average hitter). I would have preferred Machado but if they weren't going to do that this might be the next best move.


Definitely valid.

I'm really starting to think that history could be very unkind to this Yankees offseason, but it won't be because of this move.
RE: It's not about being  
rich in DC : 1/11/2019 3:10 pm : link
In comment 14258593 Heisenberg said:
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It's about them deciding to not spend money anymore to get the best players when they're available. From a business perspective, I get it. From a fan/competition perspective, it's bullshit. Maybe they'll open up the pocketbooks and surprise me, but Hal is managing this team like it's the Mets, not the Yankees.



I know that people LOVE this RAB graphic because they THINK it justifies their belief that Hal is cheap. However, it is what is NOT in that graph that undermines their entire argument.

The Stadium isn't free- the mortgage is huge- one estimate had it at almost $90M. Others closer to $80M. Regardless, that comes out of those revenues.

The Yanks have HUGE expenses for refurbishing minor league and major league facilities- such as the ones in Tampa. They also spend a LOT of money on minor league coaching and people responsible for getting the minor leaguers into top shape.

They spend on a large scale on their domestic and international scouting departments- both for amateurs and pros. They also might have MLB's largest analytics department.

None of the above is free- and it isn't considered payroll- but the Yanks are willing to outspend ALL of their competition in these areas.

But go ahead with the silly trope that Hal is cheap. It just demonstrates how little you know.
RE: It's not about being  
TheMick7 : 1/11/2019 3:15 pm : link
In comment 14258593 Heisenberg said:
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It's about them deciding to not spend money anymore to get the best players when they're available. From a business perspective, I get it. From a fan/competition perspective, it's bullshit. Maybe they'll open up the pocketbooks and surprise me, but Hal is managing this team like it's the Mets, not the Yankees.



By the way,it was actually $183 million because they collected 80 cents on the dollar from the insurance policy they had on Ellsbury!
RE: the Sawx won because they had great players having insane years  
Mike from SI : 1/11/2019 3:15 pm : link
In comment 14258595 Greg from LI said:
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Not because of Brock Holt and Eddie fucking Scissorhands playing mediocre ball at multiple positions.


Well, part of the reason they won in the playoffs is their shitty bottom third of the order decided to hit for no reason.
That's true  
Greg from LI : 1/11/2019 3:17 pm : link
Pure luck, but true.
So sorry, Rich  
Kyle in NY : 1/11/2019 3:17 pm : link
that you have to deal with such simple minds on a daily basis here. It must be extremely aggravating for you. I don't know how you put up with such frivolous posting.

In the meantime, Hal thanks you for your ardent defense of him and his spending. Hopefully the Yanks can move find the money in the budget this season to make those mortgage payments. As a home-owning American, I can attest that it can be difficult to meet that requirement each month. I can only imagine it's the same for the Yankees.
If the Yankees truly are spending that much on their scouting  
Greg from LI : 1/11/2019 3:20 pm : link
Then they're only getting a middling return on their investment.
RE: RE: It's not about being  
Strahan91 : 1/11/2019 3:24 pm : link
In comment 14258674 rich in DC said:
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It's about them deciding to not spend money anymore to get the best players when they're available. From a business perspective, I get it. From a fan/competition perspective, it's bullshit. Maybe they'll open up the pocketbooks and surprise me, but Hal is managing this team like it's the Mets, not the Yankees.





I know that people LOVE this RAB graphic because they THINK it justifies their belief that Hal is cheap. However, it is what is NOT in that graph that undermines their entire argument.

The Stadium isn't free- the mortgage is huge- one estimate had it at almost $90M. Others closer to $80M. Regardless, that comes out of those revenues.

The Yanks have HUGE expenses for refurbishing minor league and major league facilities- such as the ones in Tampa. They also spend a LOT of money on minor league coaching and people responsible for getting the minor leaguers into top shape.

They spend on a large scale on their domestic and international scouting departments- both for amateurs and pros. They also might have MLB's largest analytics department.

None of the above is free- and it isn't considered payroll- but the Yanks are willing to outspend ALL of their competition in these areas.

But go ahead with the silly trope that Hal is cheap. It just demonstrates how little you know.

This is what they're selling you and I'm sure they're very happy to see you buying it. It's a black box that allows for justification for not paying a guy like Machado when he hits the open market. They're counting on fans like you to accept it at face value. For example, they have a 20 person analytics team. How much do you think that costs? Scouts are not expensive hires either.

Are the Red Sox for example stupid for spending their money on baseball players instead of these bells and whistles? They just won a WS.

Your comments paint a very black and white picture. The truth is far more gray. They don't need to go and get Corbin, Machado, Harper and all the top relievers to satisfy fans desire to spend the money that those fans are spending on the team. Signing just Machado for example wouldn't make a dent in their extremely healthy margins, it would just put them on par with their hated rivals who just won a WS, their fourth since 2004.
RE: RE: It's not about being  
Heisenberg : 1/11/2019 3:29 pm : link
In comment 14258674 rich in DC said:
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In comment 14258593 Heisenberg said:


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It's about them deciding to not spend money anymore to get the best players when they're available. From a business perspective, I get it. From a fan/competition perspective, it's bullshit. Maybe they'll open up the pocketbooks and surprise me, but Hal is managing this team like it's the Mets, not the Yankees.





I know that people LOVE this RAB graphic because they THINK it justifies their belief that Hal is cheap. However, it is what is NOT in that graph that undermines their entire argument.

The Stadium isn't free- the mortgage is huge- one estimate had it at almost $90M. Others closer to $80M. Regardless, that comes out of those revenues.

The Yanks have HUGE expenses for refurbishing minor league and major league facilities- such as the ones in Tampa. They also spend a LOT of money on minor league coaching and people responsible for getting the minor leaguers into top shape.

They spend on a large scale on their domestic and international scouting departments- both for amateurs and pros. They also might have MLB's largest analytics department.

None of the above is free- and it isn't considered payroll- but the Yanks are willing to outspend ALL of their competition in these areas.

But go ahead with the silly trope that Hal is cheap. It just demonstrates how little you know.


619M - 224M = 395M. Subtract 90 M for debt service and that leave 305M. Exactly how many analytics nerds do you think they employ?
Yeah I'm sure the Red Sox are kicking themselves for  
adamg : 1/11/2019 3:29 pm : link
signing Martinez instead of adding to their staff...

As if those two things are related in any way....
I have no interest  
bigbluehoya : 1/11/2019 3:30 pm : link
in what % of their revenues they spend on payroll, full stop. But there's no reason they shouldn't regularly be right up at $240-250M with LAD and BOS, most especially when there are 26 year old superstars available for 'just money' on the market.

I'm talking about missing a genuine opportunity, not spending beaucoup bucks just because they have them.
RE: RE: RE: It's not about being  
adamg : 1/11/2019 3:30 pm : link
In comment 14258723 Heisenberg said:
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It's about them deciding to not spend money anymore to get the best players when they're available. From a business perspective, I get it. From a fan/competition perspective, it's bullshit. Maybe they'll open up the pocketbooks and surprise me, but Hal is managing this team like it's the Mets, not the Yankees.





I know that people LOVE this RAB graphic because they THINK it justifies their belief that Hal is cheap. However, it is what is NOT in that graph that undermines their entire argument.

The Stadium isn't free- the mortgage is huge- one estimate had it at almost $90M. Others closer to $80M. Regardless, that comes out of those revenues.

The Yanks have HUGE expenses for refurbishing minor league and major league facilities- such as the ones in Tampa. They also spend a LOT of money on minor league coaching and people responsible for getting the minor leaguers into top shape.

They spend on a large scale on their domestic and international scouting departments- both for amateurs and pros. They also might have MLB's largest analytics department.

None of the above is free- and it isn't considered payroll- but the Yanks are willing to outspend ALL of their competition in these areas.

But go ahead with the silly trope that Hal is cheap. It just demonstrates how little you know.



619M - 224M = 395M. Subtract 90 M for debt service and that leave 305M. Exactly how many analytics nerds do you think they employ?


Must be tens of millions of dollars worth obviously...
Come on fans  
adamg : 1/11/2019 3:31 pm : link
We can't have Machado. We have a mortgage to think about...
RE: I have no interest  
Strahan91 : 1/11/2019 3:34 pm : link
In comment 14258726 bigbluehoya said:
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in what % of their revenues they spend on payroll, full stop. But there's no reason they shouldn't regularly be right up at $240-250M with LAD and BOS, most especially when there are 26 year old superstars available for 'just money' on the market.

I'm talking about missing a genuine opportunity, not spending beaucoup bucks just because they have them.

Exactly. They're selling this narrative around spending elsewhere when it's complete hogwash. What makes more sense, spending on a player who is already a 26 year old star at a position of need or spending on a bunch of disparate things that *could* lead to developing more players like that? If we assume for a second that that's where all the profits are going and they're far outspending the rest of the league elsewhere, it's not like the $30M/year for Machado or Harper is going to completely derail the entire organization from a player development and analytics standpoint...

I for one will go to less games this year than I normally do. They don't want to spend? I don't want to spend. Easy enough.
Barring a big splash, this will likely be the third straight year the  
Heisenberg : 1/11/2019 3:37 pm : link
payroll decreases.
The payroll won't decrease...  
Dunedin81 : 1/11/2019 3:40 pm : link
they'll actually be up over the luxury tax threshold. But they'll probably be at most a Top 5 spender in baseball.
RE: The payroll won't decrease...  
Heisenberg : 1/11/2019 3:44 pm : link
In comment 14258758 Dunedin81 said:
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they'll actually be up over the luxury tax threshold. But they'll probably be at most a Top 5 spender in baseball.


How do you figure? based on arbitration increases?
only until they finally ship Gray's worthless ass out of town  
Greg from LI : 1/11/2019 3:45 pm : link
That should take them back under
RE: RE: I have no interest  
rich in DC : 1/11/2019 3:47 pm : link
In comment 14258740 Strahan91 said:
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in what % of their revenues they spend on payroll, full stop. But there's no reason they shouldn't regularly be right up at $240-250M with LAD and BOS, most especially when there are 26 year old superstars available for 'just money' on the market.

I'm talking about missing a genuine opportunity, not spending beaucoup bucks just because they have them.


Exactly. They're selling this narrative around spending elsewhere when it's complete hogwash. What makes more sense, spending on a player who is already a 26 year old star at a position of need or spending on a bunch of disparate things that *could* lead to developing more players like that? If we assume for a second that that's where all the profits are going and they're far outspending the rest of the league elsewhere, it's not like the $30M/year for Machado or Harper is going to completely derail the entire organization from a player development and analytics standpoint...

I for one will go to less games this year than I normally do. They don't want to spend? I don't want to spend. Easy enough.


bye Felicia
RE: only until they finally ship Gray's worthless ass out of town  
rich in DC : 1/11/2019 3:54 pm : link
In comment 14258766 Greg from LI said:
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That should take them back under


Not after spending $12M on DJ.

Take a look at the link below. Before accounting for DJ, they were already over the luxury tax line. After accounting for the $12M, they are going to have a payroll around $219M- and they are likely not done spending. With that said, Gray probably gets trade- so we subtract his likely $8-9M salary.

So, let's rough guess a payroll around $225M to start the season.

Sox will start around $235M. Nats (only other luxury tax payor last year) are under $200M- though when they add Harper, they will likely jump to around $230M. Dodgers currently are around $186M.

Yanks will likely start the season either 2nd or 3rd in payroll- but we'll still hear the Hal is cheap trope.
Yanks 2019 payroll and luxury tax payroll figures - ( New Window )
His  
GiantsGorilla1980s : 1/11/2019 3:54 pm : link
numbers outside of coors field last year were not good. I am not a fan of this move. Daniel Murphy Would of been a better option he’s a better hitter. Also Lowrie would of been a better option as well.
RE: RE: only until they finally ship Gray's worthless ass out of town  
Heisenberg : 1/11/2019 4:05 pm : link
In comment 14258781 rich in DC said:
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That should take them back under



Not after spending $12M on DJ.

Take a look at the link below. Before accounting for DJ, they were already over the luxury tax line. After accounting for the $12M, they are going to have a payroll around $219M- and they are likely not done spending. With that said, Gray probably gets trade- so we subtract his likely $8-9M salary.

So, let's rough guess a payroll around $225M to start the season.

Sox will start around $235M. Nats (only other luxury tax payor last year) are under $200M- though when they add Harper, they will likely jump to around $230M. Dodgers currently are around $186M.

Yanks will likely start the season either 2nd or 3rd in payroll- but we'll still hear the Hal is cheap trope. Yanks 2019 payroll and luxury tax payroll figures - ( New Window )


That's a good link. Thanks
Why would anyone want a guy that didn’t hustle  
bxgiants4 : 1/11/2019 4:05 pm : link
In the biggest game of his life? Especially for 300!
RE: Harper would mean no Machado! Could this mean they are  
GeofromNJ : 1/11/2019 4:07 pm : link
In comment 14258406 wgenesis123 said:
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in on Harper?

Yes.
Sevy headed to arbitration:  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/11/2019 4:16 pm : link

@JeffPassan

New York Yankees starter Luis Severino did not agree to a contract and is expected to head to an arbitration hearing, league sources tell ESPN.
I can understand them not wanting to set a new top salary record  
yatqb : 1/11/2019 4:24 pm : link
by signing either MM or Harper. Both guys appear to want to break the record, and may be looking for 10 year contracts.

I’m disappointed but not angry. I was hoping that Machado wanted to play for the Yanks so much that a shorter deal at about 30M per would get it done, but I suspect it wouldn’t, and having recognized that, Cashman moved on.

We’ll know more when he eventually signs.

I agree  
UConn4523 : 1/11/2019 4:30 pm : link
why would we want a 10 year contract on the books and why would Machado accept less years if he can get them elsewhere?
RE: I agree  
Greg from LI : 1/11/2019 4:35 pm : link
In comment 14258837 UConn4523 said:
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why would we want a 10 year contract on the books


Because most of those years are the prime years of a superstar. This is not 32 year old Albert Pujols we're talking about here.
RE: RE: I agree  
robbieballs2003 : 1/11/2019 4:37 pm : link
In comment 14258845 Greg from LI said:
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why would we want a 10 year contract on the books



Because most of those years are the prime years of a superstar. This is not 32 year old Albert Pujols we're talking about here.


Greg, relax. You are going to have an aneurysm.
But then we get to sign Judge; Sanchez and all the rest our kids  
yatqb : 1/11/2019 4:40 pm : link
and eventually have a 400m payroll. We can’t be that much of an outlier.
RE: RE: I agree  
UConn4523 : 1/11/2019 4:42 pm : link
In comment 14258845 Greg from LI said:
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why would we want a 10 year contract on the books



Because most of those years are the prime years of a superstar. This is not 32 year old Albert Pujols we're talking about here.


If you say so. The likelihood of him delivering even half those years at a superstar level are still not great, doesn't matter how old he is. If it was such a guarantee than teams wouldn't hesitate on it.
RE: But then we get to sign Judge; Sanchez and all the rest our kids  
Greg from LI : 1/11/2019 4:46 pm : link
In comment 14258853 yatqb said:
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and eventually have a 400m payroll. We can’t be that much of an outlier.


You're talking about something that's about four years down the line. Cmon. Worry about that then. Worry about building a championship juggernaut now.

The Yankees are more concerned with being clever and value-oriented now than being great.
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bigbluehoya : 1/11/2019 4:49 pm : link
In comment 14258856 UConn4523 said:
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why would we want a 10 year contract on the books



Because most of those years are the prime years of a superstar. This is not 32 year old Albert Pujols we're talking about here.



If you say so. The likelihood of him delivering even half those years at a superstar level are still not great, doesn't matter how old he is. If it was such a guarantee than teams wouldn't hesitate on it.


There's more religion than logic in that statement. It's an OK belief to have, of course. But there really isn't much to back that up.
the extremes of the Gary Sanchez dynamic  
bigbluehoya : 1/11/2019 4:52 pm : link
here are fascinating.

You have some people here who think he is more of a liability to the org than an asset, and others fretting about the huge problem of having to pay him big bucks after his 4 more years of control.
Why not just sign Lowrie  
B in ALB : 1/11/2019 4:54 pm : link
a few days ago? Offseason has been dogshit so far.
Once Lowrie signed....  
Milton : 1/11/2019 5:00 pm : link
The Yankees could no longer afford to pretend they were still in on Machado and had to pull the trigger on Lemahieu.

You could make the argument that since the Yankees have shown zero interest in Harper, they have zero interest in Harper. Or you can make the argument that this has all been part of the dance between Boros and Cashman that will ultimately end with Boros making a call to Cashman and saying "going...going..." and waiting to see if Cashman interrupts before he gets to "gone" (Boros has already pointed out how the Yankees came out of nowhere to sign Teixeira, he knows damn well the Yankees aren't out of it until they're out of it).

Both arguments can be backed up by everything we've seen and heard so far. We won't know which is valid until after the fact. But for all those who were hoping the Yankees would make a bigtime flash this offseason, no reason to give up hope just yet!
Kinda agree with Milton here...  
Dunedin81 : 1/11/2019 5:02 pm : link
the run on middle IF left very few still available
BEST NEWS  
PaulN : 1/11/2019 5:05 pm : link
Of the year. Real Yankee fans don't want Machado here, we like Andujar, we like DiDi, we don't want to be the spoiled fucking brat fan who doesn't give two fucks about the players who are here and performing well. I always thought it was the stupidest thing the Yanks could do, and glad they at least capped what they would give, glad they are moving on from him. He is a great player we don't need nor want. Who is better, Andujar at 1 mil or Machado at 35 mil, you have to be stupid to think the latter is better for the team.
So according to Rich in DC...  
Tesla : 1/11/2019 5:06 pm : link
the Yankees are dropping $300 million/year on their 20 person analytics dept. and their minor league coaching staffs....and anyone who doesn't realize that is an idiot.

Alternatively, Rich doesn't have a fucking clue what he's talking about and is actually just a condescending asshole.
RE: So according to Rich in DC...  
rich in DC : 1/11/2019 5:09 pm : link
In comment 14258891 Tesla said:
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the Yankees are dropping $300 million/year on their 20 person analytics dept. and their minor league coaching staffs....and anyone who doesn't realize that is an idiot.

Alternatively, Rich doesn't have a fucking clue what he's talking about and is actually just a condescending asshole.


You are the clueless one. You still haven't offered a SINGLE factual point and can't offer anything more than "spend because I want you to and I demand it as an entitled Yankee fan."

I spelled out a LOT more spending than analytics (especially the Stadium mortgage and minor league facilities, coaches, etc), but since you have ZERO evidence on your side, you have resorted to name-calling and to be blunt "fake news" to make it sound like you have a clue.

grow up.

RE: Why not just sign Lowrie  
Strahan91 : 1/11/2019 5:10 pm : link
In comment 14258875 B in ALB said:
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a few days ago? Offseason has been dogshit so far.

LeMahieu is better in the field than Lowrie. Lowrie's a better hitter but they probably wanted the glove. He's also a high exit velocity guy which we know the Yankees love. They probably think there's some untapped upside a la Voit.
in case you were on the fence about it....  
Greg from LI : 1/11/2019 5:10 pm : link
Paul is overjoyed that they're signing the "roughly average" (Fangraphs' words, not mine) LeMahieu instead of Machado. Pretty much seals the deal - this was a terrible turn of events.
RE: RE: Why not just sign Lowrie  
B in ALB : 1/11/2019 5:11 pm : link
In comment 14258896 Strahan91 said:
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a few days ago? Offseason has been dogshit so far.


LeMahieu is better in the field than Lowrie. Lowrie's a better hitter but they probably wanted the glove. He's also a high exit velocity guy which we know the Yankees love. They probably think there's some untapped upside a la Voit.


Aren't Lemahieu's home/road splits significantly different after playing in Denver? That makes me a bit nervous. And I hope this isn't prelude to Andujar leaving.
RE: RE: Why not just sign Lowrie  
Greg from LI : 1/11/2019 5:11 pm : link
In comment 14258896 Strahan91 said:
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They probably think there's some untapped upside a la Voit.


The guy is going to be 31 and has been in MLB for seven years. He is what he is.

This is what I'm talking about with being clever - everything they do now is an attempt to ape Billy Beane.
Smart Moves  
PaulN : 1/11/2019 5:14 pm : link
Are what we need and the Yanks are making smart moves. Lemahieu is a smart move.
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