a few days ago? Offseason has been dogshit so far.
LeMahieu is better in the field than Lowrie. Lowrie's a better hitter but they probably wanted the glove. He's also a high exit velocity guy which we know the Yankees love. They probably think there's some untapped upside a la Voit.
Aren't Lemahieu's home/road splits significantly different after playing in Denver? That makes me a bit nervous. And I hope this isn't prelude to Andujar leaving.
Yeah, not saying I agree with the assessment but that's my guess as to what they're thinking.
Similarly I agree with you, Greg. Voit will be 28 in a month as well and they must be relying on him to produce at league average or above for a 1b at the plate next year given his glove.
to give him 12mm per year for 2 years, and assuming this wasn't a desperation move after Lowrie signed, you have to believe they have assessed what they have and understand the value of the DP combination of Tulo and DJ.
We should all be disappointed that Harper and Machado aren't going to be signed but shouldn't be surprised or concerned that this will interfere with the continued development of a franchise team. This team needed defense and better starters heading into 2019.
If Harper or Manny had really stepped up last season perhaps there would have been a real bidding war. Manny showed his character and Harper proved he can be shifted on and is not as consistent as you need if you are paying 30mm per season.
My real cheese is passing on Kikuchi and not locking up Moustakas.
I honestly don't think Machado really makes a ton of sense "fit-wise" unless they're moving Andujar - and this was before LeMahieu. Hell, even before Tulo - if we're expecting Didi back at any point, we'd have 3 guys who need to be in the lineup every day and only 2 places to put them. I get that you can just punt on that for now since Didi is not healthy and it's not a guarantee he's back on schedule or has no setback; but they may really want to keep Didi beyond this year, and if they do that, it's not going to work with Machado unless Miggy is moved. Something has to give. There's no way to play all 3 guys.
It's no guarantee Andujar can just play 1B. Stanton is pretty much clogging DH. Where else is he going to go?
It could be as simple as this...
The Yankees really like Miguel Andujar and don't feel like they need to spend ~275 Million dollars on Manny Machado and commit to a player for 7-10 years.
I know that's not what a lot of people want to hear. Hell, I was expecting Machado and still think the Yanks can find ways to be creative and make it work, but again - it only works if Andujar is being traded or Gregorius isn't in the future plans. Maybe Miggy isn't and maybe Didi is.
Flexibility and optionality is a huge asset as well.
This is a solid move for a solid major league player after their very good SS was injured and given the time to come back from TJ Surgery may not be much of a factor this year.
And with unproven minor league assets in the Middle Infield
I am reminded of a large dark grouper in the shadows seeming asleep until a morsel slides by. Letting the short term market on Harper and Kimbrel and Machado come down to their easy grab or not knowing that as finances squeeze other teams over the longer haul the Yankees have more room than the other top spenders if not this year then the next two.
Honestly guys, we do not know if they are watching Andujar practice 6 hours a day and believe they have a 24 year old with average defense who is a better hitter than Machado as he hits his prime years and learns to be more patient. Guys, with the same AB as Machado last year Andujar would have hit 30HR and 101 RBI's. As a rookie. With offensive and defensive upside.
Whats more, as long as we are speculating, lets realize that as the Yankees "look" like they are more and more set- the price for Machado and Harper and all other FA comes down as one of the major possible bidders "seems" to be walking away. Exactly where we want the market.
More pieces to trade and a top off the extreme end of what Machado and Harper will go for.
Remember they also get tied up for 10 years. If the town, the organization stink the WS and playoff fame and advertising dollar potential shrinks for 10 years as well.
For the Yankees, I bet its the 10 years they want to move into option land and 7 years of the less risk prime prime years.
Or they want to scoop if a morsel walks by in July.
Also remember they collect the insurance on Ellsbury would paint a more accurate picture of their net MLB Player payroll expense.
Smart matters. Lets wait and see. There is a reason those guys are not yet signed elsewhere either
Machado 2018:
.297 37 HRs and 107 RBIs - .538 slugging, 75 extra base hits
Andujar 2018:
.297 27 HRs and 92 RBIs - .531 slugging, 78 extra base hits
We all know that Machado is a superior defender and his offensive numbers should hold pretty steady moving forward.
Andujar's defensive issues are mostly throwing. He has a very strong arm and there is no reason that tweaks to his mechanics and footwork can't help him become a reliable 3B.
If Andujar hadn't emerged last year, signing Machado would have been a no-brainer. Right now, I'm not so sure...especially if they can sign another piece like Ottavino for the bullpen.
why would we want a 10 year contract on the books and why would Machado accept less years if he can get them elsewhere?
If you've been following the contracts of the last couple of years,even 10 year contracts aren't 10 year contracts. Clubs/Players have options put in at 3-4 yrs,then probably 6-7 years giving both sides outs. No excuse for not bringing in at least 1 of 2 26 year old superstars w/this type of contract. I can't remember this type of occurrence happening in FA & to simply pass on it,seems extremely shortsighted. Rich makes good arguments about the Yankees $$$ but unless he's Hal's accountant,he doesn't know the real bottom line(Like the $$$ they make from the YES network).Now,if Rich added Hal's desire to repurchase the rest of the YES network that he stupidly sold,maybe we can see where the $$$ that could go to Manny and/or Harper will actually be going!
Mick, given Brittons pact, Im guessing that the Yanks
know that even a deal with those types of parameters would have set new records (eg huge early salaries) and didnt have want to go there.
yatqb, I think that would be predicated on what agent/player requested per year. If it was a 3-4 year option w/the opportunity to become an FA again at 30,it could be doable.Now,I think it would be more likely w/Manny than Harper because of Boras but 26 year old superstars are the best investments you can make in this particular business & you would think a businessman like Hal would recognize that!
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Machado 2018:
.297 37 HRs and 107 RBIs - .538 slugging, 75 extra base hits
Andujar 2018:
.297 27 HRs and 92 RBIs - .531 slugging, 78 extra base hits
We all know that Machado is a superior defender and his offensive numbers should hold pretty steady moving forward.
Andujar's defensive issues are mostly throwing. He has a very strong arm and there is no reason that tweaks to his mechanics and footwork can't help him become a reliable 3B.
If Andujar hadn't emerged last year, signing Machado would have been a no-brainer. Right now, I'm not so sure...especially if they can sign another piece like Ottavino for the bullpen.
After this move, I am starting to hope that the Yanks will make Gardner the 4th OF, put Stanton in LF and make Andujar the DH.
I know they lose their best defensive OF in that alignment, but Gardner hasn't offered much with the bat lately. Stanton is average in the OF, but the difference between Stanton and Gardner is less than the difference between say, Torres and Andujar defensively at 3B.
DJ and Tulo is a really good defensive middle INF and at least good offensively. Andujar is all bat right now, so DH is fine.
Torres has enough bat for 3B and enough arm as well. Given that they have pitchers who need some good defense behind them, that MIGHT improve pitching outcomes just because they have a defense in that alignment that might get more outs per balls put in play.
Assuming that Sanchez's BABIP reverts to the mean, that would result in a substantive plus at C as well. That COULD conceivably mean more wins even with possibly less offense.
Both arguments can be backed up by everything we've seen and heard so far. We won't know which is valid until after the fact. But for all those who were hoping the Yankees would make a bigtime flash this offseason, no reason to give up hope just yet! [/quote]
Whoever this guy is, he seems to think there may be hope on Harper:
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For the record, here on Jan. 11 at 2:59p, Im not convinced the Yankees are out of the Bryce Harper sweepstakes.
RE: RE: Machado 30+ mil a year versus Andujar at 600K
Machado 2018:
.297 37 HRs and 107 RBIs - .538 slugging, 75 extra base hits
Andujar 2018:
.297 27 HRs and 92 RBIs - .531 slugging, 78 extra base hits
We all know that Machado is a superior defender and his offensive numbers should hold pretty steady moving forward.
Andujar's defensive issues are mostly throwing. He has a very strong arm and there is no reason that tweaks to his mechanics and footwork can't help him become a reliable 3B.
If Andujar hadn't emerged last year, signing Machado would have been a no-brainer. Right now, I'm not so sure...especially if they can sign another piece like Ottavino for the bullpen.
After this move, I am starting to hope that the Yanks will make Gardner the 4th OF, put Stanton in LF and make Andujar the DH.
I know they lose their best defensive OF in that alignment, but Gardner hasn't offered much with the bat lately. Stanton is average in the OF, but the difference between Stanton and Gardner is less than the difference between say, Torres and Andujar defensively at 3B.
DJ and Tulo is a really good defensive middle INF and at least good offensively. Andujar is all bat right now, so DH is fine.
Torres has enough bat for 3B and enough arm as well. Given that they have pitchers who need some good defense behind them, that MIGHT improve pitching outcomes just because they have a defense in that alignment that might get more outs per balls put in play.
Assuming that Sanchez's BABIP reverts to the mean, that would result in a substantive plus at C as well. That COULD conceivably mean more wins even with possibly less offense.
There's only one problem with this - where does Clint Frazier go?
He's got to play in the majors at this point. If we're not going to have a spot for him here, we'd need to deal him.
Both arguments can be backed up by everything we've seen and heard so far. We won't know which is valid until after the fact. But for all those who were hoping the Yankees would make a bigtime flash this offseason, no reason to give up hope just yet!
Whoever this guy is, he seems to think there may be hope on Harper:
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For the record, here on Jan. 11 at 2:59p, Im not convinced the Yankees are out of the Bryce Harper sweepstakes. [/quote]
He's just a fan speculating like the rest of us who happens to work for ESPN. I wouldn't get any hopes up. If they did sign Harper, it would be the biggest shocker of Cashman's career as GM. Bigger than Teixera. The media then said the Yankees were uninterested as did Cashman but at least then there was a gaping hole at first.
signing, so I very much get your position. But if MM were asking for 35-40m a year for those 4 years, or something like that, I can understand going in a different direction.
As for Frazier, my guess is that he platoons with Gardy unless he wins the starting Lf job entirely.
signing, so I very much get your position. But if MM were asking for 35-40m a year for those 4 years, or something like that, I can understand going in a different direction.
As for Frazier, my guess is that he platoons with Gardy unless he wins the starting Lf job entirely.
yatqb, I as well have been living on Twitter but I guess we'll have to see what he actually signs for.If it is an outrageous sum,then we can cut Hal some slack.However,if it's within the realm of being a sum that the Yankees could have signed him for,Hal's in for a rough year from the fans!
Both arguments can be backed up by everything we've seen and heard so far. We won't know which is valid until after the fact. But for all those who were hoping the Yankees would make a bigtime flash this offseason, no reason to give up hope just yet!
Whoever this guy is, he seems to think there may be hope on Harper:
Kevin Connors
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For the record, here on Jan. 11 at 2:59p, Im not convinced the Yankees are out of the Bryce Harper sweepstakes.
He's just a fan speculating like the rest of us who happens to work for ESPN. I wouldn't get any hopes up. If they did sign Harper, it would be the biggest shocker of Cashman's career as GM. Bigger than Teixera. The media then said the Yankees were uninterested as did Cashman but at least then there was a gaping hole at first. [/quote]
LOL... the door closed to mega-deals like Harper's or Machado's after the Stanton trade was made. There's almost zero chance they are in on Harper.
Machado 2018:
.297 37 HRs and 107 RBIs - .538 slugging, 75 extra base hits
Andujar 2018:
.297 27 HRs and 92 RBIs - .531 slugging, 78 extra base hits
We all know that Machado is a superior defender and his offensive numbers should hold pretty steady moving forward.
Andujar's defensive issues are mostly throwing. He has a very strong arm and there is no reason that tweaks to his mechanics and footwork can't help him become a reliable 3B.
If Andujar hadn't emerged last year, signing Machado would have been a no-brainer. Right now, I'm not so sure...especially if they can sign another piece like Ottavino for the bullpen.
After this move, I am starting to hope that the Yanks will make Gardner the 4th OF, put Stanton in LF and make Andujar the DH.
I know they lose their best defensive OF in that alignment, but Gardner hasn't offered much with the bat lately. Stanton is average in the OF, but the difference between Stanton and Gardner is less than the difference between say, Torres and Andujar defensively at 3B.
DJ and Tulo is a really good defensive middle INF and at least good offensively. Andujar is all bat right now, so DH is fine.
Torres has enough bat for 3B and enough arm as well. Given that they have pitchers who need some good defense behind them, that MIGHT improve pitching outcomes just because they have a defense in that alignment that might get more outs per balls put in play.
Assuming that Sanchez's BABIP reverts to the mean, that would result in a substantive plus at C as well. That COULD conceivably mean more wins even with possibly less offense.
There's only one problem with this - where does Clint Frazier go?
He's got to play in the majors at this point. If we're not going to have a spot for him here, we'd need to deal him.
Frazier needs to go to AAA for a few hundred ABs- he missed almost the entire season last year. He needs to prove he is healthy and can stay that way- AND be productive- before we think about how he fits in NY.
Even if Frazier starts the year @ SWB - how long are they going to keep him down there? He's 24 years old now and posted a .963 OPS there last year in like 50 games.
I don't think there's much left for him to learn down there - it's about time for him to be up with the big club if he's healthy.
They can't leave him in the minors all year, so eventually he's going to have to figure into this equation or they're going to have to trade him.
Machado 2018:
.297 37 HRs and 107 RBIs - .538 slugging, 75 extra base hits
Andujar 2018:
.297 27 HRs and 92 RBIs - .531 slugging, 78 extra base hits
We all know that Machado is a superior defender and his offensive numbers should hold pretty steady moving forward.
Andujar's defensive issues are mostly throwing. He has a very strong arm and there is no reason that tweaks to his mechanics and footwork can't help him become a reliable 3B.
If Andujar hadn't emerged last year, signing Machado would have been a no-brainer. Right now, I'm not so sure...especially if they can sign another piece like Ottavino for the bullpen.
After this move, I am starting to hope that the Yanks will make Gardner the 4th OF, put Stanton in LF and make Andujar the DH.
I know they lose their best defensive OF in that alignment, but Gardner hasn't offered much with the bat lately. Stanton is average in the OF, but the difference between Stanton and Gardner is less than the difference between say, Torres and Andujar defensively at 3B.
DJ and Tulo is a really good defensive middle INF and at least good offensively. Andujar is all bat right now, so DH is fine.
Torres has enough bat for 3B and enough arm as well. Given that they have pitchers who need some good defense behind them, that MIGHT improve pitching outcomes just because they have a defense in that alignment that might get more outs per balls put in play.
Assuming that Sanchez's BABIP reverts to the mean, that would result in a substantive plus at C as well. That COULD conceivably mean more wins even with possibly less offense.
There's only one problem with this - where does Clint Frazier go?
He's got to play in the majors at this point. If we're not going to have a spot for him here, we'd need to deal him.
That and counting on Tulo to be the everyday shortstop, which I think is really risky given his age and injuries.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Machado 30+ mil a year versus Andujar at 600K
Machado 2018:
.297 37 HRs and 107 RBIs - .538 slugging, 75 extra base hits
Andujar 2018:
.297 27 HRs and 92 RBIs - .531 slugging, 78 extra base hits
We all know that Machado is a superior defender and his offensive numbers should hold pretty steady moving forward.
Andujar's defensive issues are mostly throwing. He has a very strong arm and there is no reason that tweaks to his mechanics and footwork can't help him become a reliable 3B.
If Andujar hadn't emerged last year, signing Machado would have been a no-brainer. Right now, I'm not so sure...especially if they can sign another piece like Ottavino for the bullpen.
After this move, I am starting to hope that the Yanks will make Gardner the 4th OF, put Stanton in LF and make Andujar the DH.
I know they lose their best defensive OF in that alignment, but Gardner hasn't offered much with the bat lately. Stanton is average in the OF, but the difference between Stanton and Gardner is less than the difference between say, Torres and Andujar defensively at 3B.
DJ and Tulo is a really good defensive middle INF and at least good offensively. Andujar is all bat right now, so DH is fine.
Torres has enough bat for 3B and enough arm as well. Given that they have pitchers who need some good defense behind them, that MIGHT improve pitching outcomes just because they have a defense in that alignment that might get more outs per balls put in play.
Assuming that Sanchez's BABIP reverts to the mean, that would result in a substantive plus at C as well. That COULD conceivably mean more wins even with possibly less offense.
There's only one problem with this - where does Clint Frazier go?
He's got to play in the majors at this point. If we're not going to have a spot for him here, we'd need to deal him.
That and counting on Tulo to be the everyday shortstop, which I think is really risky given his age and injuries.
just makes me want Harper even more now. That lineup and the team depth would just be ruthless with him in it. I don't care if you have to try Stanton at 1B or even Harper at 1B or Gardner as the 4th OF. Whatever works.
just makes me want Harper even more now. That lineup and the team depth would just be ruthless with him in it. I don't care if you have to try Stanton at 1B or even Harper at 1B or Gardner as the 4th OF. Whatever works.
It's not going to happen but I would love it.
If Harper played first, he would be a perfect target for this team. First base seems to be the biggest question mark outside of short pending Didi coming back from injury.
just makes me want Harper even more now. That lineup and the team depth would just be ruthless with him in it. I don't care if you have to try Stanton at 1B or even Harper at 1B or Gardner as the 4th OF. Whatever works.
It's not going to happen but I would love it.
If Harper played first, he would be a perfect target for this team. First base seems to be the biggest question mark outside of short pending Didi coming back from injury.
player for them, but Cashman does? I have to imagine there is something else in the works here, because if not, then wow..
Torres will shift from 2B to SS to fill in until Didi returns is the best guess. Tulo will back-up. LeMahieu will cover 2B.
I'm pretty sure Cashman already said they're viewing Tulo as the SS while Didi is out. I think we'll see a decent amount of Torres at 3B while DJ plays 2B on those days.
RE: RE: Not even the Blue Jays wanted Tulo to be an everyday
player for them, but Cashman does? I have to imagine there is something else in the works here, because if not, then wow..
Torres will shift from 2B to SS to fill in until Didi returns is the best guess. Tulo will back-up. LeMahieu will cover 2B.
I'm pretty sure Cashman already said they're viewing Tulo as the SS while Didi is out. I think we'll see a decent amount of Torres at 3B while DJ plays 2B on those days.
Wow. Then they really must be planning to move Stanton to left and Andujar to DH.
just makes me want Harper even more now. That lineup and the team depth would just be ruthless with him in it. I don't care if you have to try Stanton at 1B or even Harper at 1B or Gardner as the 4th OF. Whatever works.
It's not going to happen but I would love it.
I'd be very comfortable with Gardner as the 4th outfielder if the regulars are Judge, Hicks, Harper and Stanton as DH.
the evidence is pretty much in our faces, even if we don't want to believe it. They will sign another reliever, find the right trade partner for Gray, and call it an offseason.
Who is even discussing this as a possibility - source?
The way it looks now is Machado to the White Sox and Harper to Philly.
So they cant be negotiating with him because you havent heard of it through the media?!
There is not one shred of evidence that NYY is in on Harper - not one. Actually the GM of NYY Brian Cashman made a public comment that the team has no interest in Harper.
But people like you need to conjure bullshit and fantasy up to make the internet a better place...
the evidence is pretty much in our faces, even if we don't want to believe it. They will sign another reliever, find the right trade partner for Gray, and call it an offseason.
Harper and Machado were NEVER really in Yankees plans unless they got a huge discount. We're no longer in the era of George Steinbrenner dollars, and the Yankees have to eventual pay all their young rising stars. The "evidence in our faces," has been there all along.
As best I can tell, no one is saying Harper will sign with the Yankees
It would be a huge longshot coming in out of the darkness. The interesting thing about free agency is that longshots sometimes do come in out of the darkness. If the Yankees are hell bent on re-setting the luxury tax Machado and Harper were never in play unless they have a trade partner for Stanton hiding in the woods. The fans have been hoping for longshots since free agency began. The recent signings by the Yankees seem to preclude a Machado surprise. They don't seem to preclude the longshot of Harper to the Yankees and his lefty bat might just be a fit at first base. Who expected the Yanks to pursue Stanton last year? The tax and the crowded outfield would have seemed to preclude it. Cashman will take the phone call from Boras when the time comes for Harper to choose. I do expect that much.
Who is even discussing this as a possibility - source?
The way it looks now is Machado to the White Sox and Harper to Philly.
So they cant be negotiating with him because you havent heard of it through the media?!
There is not one shred of evidence that NYY is in on Harper - not one. Actually the GM of NYY Brian Cashman made a public comment that the team has no interest in Harper.
But people like you need to conjure bullshit and fantasy up to make the internet a better place...
Im of the opinion that the Yankees arent out on a player until that player is no longer on the market. They can be trying to trade Stanton. They can be sitting back to see which domino falls first. Just because twitter isnt reporting it doesnt mean it isnt happening.
Getting mad at people for discussing rumors is dumb. Doesnt matter if its their rumor or someone elses, everyone is speculating and drawing conclusions based on limited knowledge. Thats what fans do.
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a few days ago? Offseason has been dogshit so far.
LeMahieu is better in the field than Lowrie. Lowrie's a better hitter but they probably wanted the glove. He's also a high exit velocity guy which we know the Yankees love. They probably think there's some untapped upside a la Voit.
Aren't Lemahieu's home/road splits significantly different after playing in Denver? That makes me a bit nervous. And I hope this isn't prelude to Andujar leaving.
Yeah, not saying I agree with the assessment but that's my guess as to what they're thinking.
Similarly I agree with you, Greg. Voit will be 28 in a month as well and they must be relying on him to produce at league average or above for a 1b at the plate next year given his glove.
I need to get out more.
We should all be disappointed that Harper and Machado aren't going to be signed but shouldn't be surprised or concerned that this will interfere with the continued development of a franchise team. This team needed defense and better starters heading into 2019.
If Harper or Manny had really stepped up last season perhaps there would have been a real bidding war. Manny showed his character and Harper proved he can be shifted on and is not as consistent as you need if you are paying 30mm per season.
My real cheese is passing on Kikuchi and not locking up Moustakas.
Yay.
It's no guarantee Andujar can just play 1B. Stanton is pretty much clogging DH. Where else is he going to go?
It could be as simple as this...
The Yankees really like Miguel Andujar and don't feel like they need to spend ~275 Million dollars on Manny Machado and commit to a player for 7-10 years.
I know that's not what a lot of people want to hear. Hell, I was expecting Machado and still think the Yanks can find ways to be creative and make it work, but again - it only works if Andujar is being traded or Gregorius isn't in the future plans. Maybe Miggy isn't and maybe Didi is.
This is a solid move for a solid major league player after their very good SS was injured and given the time to come back from TJ Surgery may not be much of a factor this year.
And with unproven minor league assets in the Middle Infield
I am reminded of a large dark grouper in the shadows seeming asleep until a morsel slides by. Letting the short term market on Harper and Kimbrel and Machado come down to their easy grab or not knowing that as finances squeeze other teams over the longer haul the Yankees have more room than the other top spenders if not this year then the next two.
Honestly guys, we do not know if they are watching Andujar practice 6 hours a day and believe they have a 24 year old with average defense who is a better hitter than Machado as he hits his prime years and learns to be more patient. Guys, with the same AB as Machado last year Andujar would have hit 30HR and 101 RBI's. As a rookie. With offensive and defensive upside.
Whats more, as long as we are speculating, lets realize that as the Yankees "look" like they are more and more set- the price for Machado and Harper and all other FA comes down as one of the major possible bidders "seems" to be walking away. Exactly where we want the market.
More pieces to trade and a top off the extreme end of what Machado and Harper will go for.
Remember they also get tied up for 10 years. If the town, the organization stink the WS and playoff fame and advertising dollar potential shrinks for 10 years as well.
For the Yankees, I bet its the 10 years they want to move into option land and 7 years of the less risk prime prime years.
Or they want to scoop if a morsel walks by in July.
Also remember they collect the insurance on Ellsbury would paint a more accurate picture of their net MLB Player payroll expense.
Smart matters. Lets wait and see. There is a reason those guys are not yet signed elsewhere either
.297 37 HRs and 107 RBIs - .538 slugging, 75 extra base hits
Andujar 2018:
.297 27 HRs and 92 RBIs - .531 slugging, 78 extra base hits
We all know that Machado is a superior defender and his offensive numbers should hold pretty steady moving forward.
Andujar's defensive issues are mostly throwing. He has a very strong arm and there is no reason that tweaks to his mechanics and footwork can't help him become a reliable 3B.
If Andujar hadn't emerged last year, signing Machado would have been a no-brainer. Right now, I'm not so sure...especially if they can sign another piece like Ottavino for the bullpen.
If you've been following the contracts of the last couple of years,even 10 year contracts aren't 10 year contracts. Clubs/Players have options put in at 3-4 yrs,then probably 6-7 years giving both sides outs. No excuse for not bringing in at least 1 of 2 26 year old superstars w/this type of contract. I can't remember this type of occurrence happening in FA & to simply pass on it,seems extremely shortsighted. Rich makes good arguments about the Yankees $$$ but unless he's Hal's accountant,he doesn't know the real bottom line(Like the $$$ they make from the YES network).Now,if Rich added Hal's desire to repurchase the rest of the YES network that he stupidly sold,maybe we can see where the $$$ that could go to Manny and/or Harper will actually be going!
yatqb, I think that would be predicated on what agent/player requested per year. If it was a 3-4 year option w/the opportunity to become an FA again at 30,it could be doable.Now,I think it would be more likely w/Manny than Harper because of Boras but 26 year old superstars are the best investments you can make in this particular business & you would think a businessman like Hal would recognize that!
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The Yankees have agreed to terms with RHP Dellin Betances, 1B Greg Bird, RHP Sonny Gray, SS Didi Gregorius, OF Aaron Hicks, RHP Tommy Kahnle, LHP James Paxton and C Austin Romine on one-year, non-guaranteed contracts, thus avoiding arbitration.
.297 37 HRs and 107 RBIs - .538 slugging, 75 extra base hits
Andujar 2018:
.297 27 HRs and 92 RBIs - .531 slugging, 78 extra base hits
We all know that Machado is a superior defender and his offensive numbers should hold pretty steady moving forward.
Andujar's defensive issues are mostly throwing. He has a very strong arm and there is no reason that tweaks to his mechanics and footwork can't help him become a reliable 3B.
If Andujar hadn't emerged last year, signing Machado would have been a no-brainer. Right now, I'm not so sure...especially if they can sign another piece like Ottavino for the bullpen.
After this move, I am starting to hope that the Yanks will make Gardner the 4th OF, put Stanton in LF and make Andujar the DH.
I know they lose their best defensive OF in that alignment, but Gardner hasn't offered much with the bat lately. Stanton is average in the OF, but the difference between Stanton and Gardner is less than the difference between say, Torres and Andujar defensively at 3B.
DJ and Tulo is a really good defensive middle INF and at least good offensively. Andujar is all bat right now, so DH is fine.
Torres has enough bat for 3B and enough arm as well. Given that they have pitchers who need some good defense behind them, that MIGHT improve pitching outcomes just because they have a defense in that alignment that might get more outs per balls put in play.
Assuming that Sanchez's BABIP reverts to the mean, that would result in a substantive plus at C as well. That COULD conceivably mean more wins even with possibly less offense.
Both arguments can be backed up by everything we've seen and heard so far. We won't know which is valid until after the fact. But for all those who were hoping the Yankees would make a bigtime flash this offseason, no reason to give up hope just yet! [/quote]
Whoever this guy is, he seems to think there may be hope on Harper:
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For the record, here on Jan. 11 at 2:59p, Im not convinced the Yankees are out of the Bryce Harper sweepstakes.
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Machado 2018:
.297 37 HRs and 107 RBIs - .538 slugging, 75 extra base hits
Andujar 2018:
.297 27 HRs and 92 RBIs - .531 slugging, 78 extra base hits
We all know that Machado is a superior defender and his offensive numbers should hold pretty steady moving forward.
Andujar's defensive issues are mostly throwing. He has a very strong arm and there is no reason that tweaks to his mechanics and footwork can't help him become a reliable 3B.
If Andujar hadn't emerged last year, signing Machado would have been a no-brainer. Right now, I'm not so sure...especially if they can sign another piece like Ottavino for the bullpen.
After this move, I am starting to hope that the Yanks will make Gardner the 4th OF, put Stanton in LF and make Andujar the DH.
I know they lose their best defensive OF in that alignment, but Gardner hasn't offered much with the bat lately. Stanton is average in the OF, but the difference between Stanton and Gardner is less than the difference between say, Torres and Andujar defensively at 3B.
DJ and Tulo is a really good defensive middle INF and at least good offensively. Andujar is all bat right now, so DH is fine.
Torres has enough bat for 3B and enough arm as well. Given that they have pitchers who need some good defense behind them, that MIGHT improve pitching outcomes just because they have a defense in that alignment that might get more outs per balls put in play.
Assuming that Sanchez's BABIP reverts to the mean, that would result in a substantive plus at C as well. That COULD conceivably mean more wins even with possibly less offense.
There's only one problem with this - where does Clint Frazier go?
He's got to play in the majors at this point. If we're not going to have a spot for him here, we'd need to deal him.
Both arguments can be backed up by everything we've seen and heard so far. We won't know which is valid until after the fact. But for all those who were hoping the Yankees would make a bigtime flash this offseason, no reason to give up hope just yet!
Whoever this guy is, he seems to think there may be hope on Harper:
Kevin Connors
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For the record, here on Jan. 11 at 2:59p, Im not convinced the Yankees are out of the Bryce Harper sweepstakes. [/quote]
He's just a fan speculating like the rest of us who happens to work for ESPN. I wouldn't get any hopes up. If they did sign Harper, it would be the biggest shocker of Cashman's career as GM. Bigger than Teixera. The media then said the Yankees were uninterested as did Cashman but at least then there was a gaping hole at first.
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RHP A.J. Cole has been claimed off waivers by the Cleveland Indians.
As for Frazier, my guess is that he platoons with Gardy unless he wins the starting Lf job entirely.
We can move things around and create them, but it's easier said than done.
As for Frazier, my guess is that he platoons with Gardy unless he wins the starting Lf job entirely.
yatqb, I as well have been living on Twitter but I guess we'll have to see what he actually signs for.If it is an outrageous sum,then we can cut Hal some slack.However,if it's within the realm of being a sum that the Yankees could have signed him for,Hal's in for a rough year from the fans!
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Both arguments can be backed up by everything we've seen and heard so far. We won't know which is valid until after the fact. But for all those who were hoping the Yankees would make a bigtime flash this offseason, no reason to give up hope just yet!
Whoever this guy is, he seems to think there may be hope on Harper:
Kevin Connors
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@kevconnorsespn
4h4 hours ago
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For the record, here on Jan. 11 at 2:59p, Im not convinced the Yankees are out of the Bryce Harper sweepstakes.
He's just a fan speculating like the rest of us who happens to work for ESPN. I wouldn't get any hopes up. If they did sign Harper, it would be the biggest shocker of Cashman's career as GM. Bigger than Teixera. The media then said the Yankees were uninterested as did Cashman but at least then there was a gaping hole at first. [/quote]
LOL... the door closed to mega-deals like Harper's or Machado's after the Stanton trade was made. There's almost zero chance they are in on Harper.
I expect the Yankees to make him lift the ball and turn him into Daniel Murphy 2.0
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Machado 2018:
.297 37 HRs and 107 RBIs - .538 slugging, 75 extra base hits
Andujar 2018:
.297 27 HRs and 92 RBIs - .531 slugging, 78 extra base hits
We all know that Machado is a superior defender and his offensive numbers should hold pretty steady moving forward.
Andujar's defensive issues are mostly throwing. He has a very strong arm and there is no reason that tweaks to his mechanics and footwork can't help him become a reliable 3B.
If Andujar hadn't emerged last year, signing Machado would have been a no-brainer. Right now, I'm not so sure...especially if they can sign another piece like Ottavino for the bullpen.
After this move, I am starting to hope that the Yanks will make Gardner the 4th OF, put Stanton in LF and make Andujar the DH.
I know they lose their best defensive OF in that alignment, but Gardner hasn't offered much with the bat lately. Stanton is average in the OF, but the difference between Stanton and Gardner is less than the difference between say, Torres and Andujar defensively at 3B.
DJ and Tulo is a really good defensive middle INF and at least good offensively. Andujar is all bat right now, so DH is fine.
Torres has enough bat for 3B and enough arm as well. Given that they have pitchers who need some good defense behind them, that MIGHT improve pitching outcomes just because they have a defense in that alignment that might get more outs per balls put in play.
Assuming that Sanchez's BABIP reverts to the mean, that would result in a substantive plus at C as well. That COULD conceivably mean more wins even with possibly less offense.
There's only one problem with this - where does Clint Frazier go?
He's got to play in the majors at this point. If we're not going to have a spot for him here, we'd need to deal him.
Frazier needs to go to AAA for a few hundred ABs- he missed almost the entire season last year. He needs to prove he is healthy and can stay that way- AND be productive- before we think about how he fits in NY.
I don't think there's much left for him to learn down there - it's about time for him to be up with the big club if he's healthy.
They can't leave him in the minors all year, so eventually he's going to have to figure into this equation or they're going to have to trade him.
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Machado 2018:
.297 37 HRs and 107 RBIs - .538 slugging, 75 extra base hits
Andujar 2018:
.297 27 HRs and 92 RBIs - .531 slugging, 78 extra base hits
We all know that Machado is a superior defender and his offensive numbers should hold pretty steady moving forward.
Andujar's defensive issues are mostly throwing. He has a very strong arm and there is no reason that tweaks to his mechanics and footwork can't help him become a reliable 3B.
If Andujar hadn't emerged last year, signing Machado would have been a no-brainer. Right now, I'm not so sure...especially if they can sign another piece like Ottavino for the bullpen.
After this move, I am starting to hope that the Yanks will make Gardner the 4th OF, put Stanton in LF and make Andujar the DH.
I know they lose their best defensive OF in that alignment, but Gardner hasn't offered much with the bat lately. Stanton is average in the OF, but the difference between Stanton and Gardner is less than the difference between say, Torres and Andujar defensively at 3B.
DJ and Tulo is a really good defensive middle INF and at least good offensively. Andujar is all bat right now, so DH is fine.
Torres has enough bat for 3B and enough arm as well. Given that they have pitchers who need some good defense behind them, that MIGHT improve pitching outcomes just because they have a defense in that alignment that might get more outs per balls put in play.
Assuming that Sanchez's BABIP reverts to the mean, that would result in a substantive plus at C as well. That COULD conceivably mean more wins even with possibly less offense.
There's only one problem with this - where does Clint Frazier go?
He's got to play in the majors at this point. If we're not going to have a spot for him here, we'd need to deal him.
That and counting on Tulo to be the everyday shortstop, which I think is really risky given his age and injuries.
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In comment 14258932 GiantJake said:
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Machado 2018:
.297 37 HRs and 107 RBIs - .538 slugging, 75 extra base hits
Andujar 2018:
.297 27 HRs and 92 RBIs - .531 slugging, 78 extra base hits
We all know that Machado is a superior defender and his offensive numbers should hold pretty steady moving forward.
Andujar's defensive issues are mostly throwing. He has a very strong arm and there is no reason that tweaks to his mechanics and footwork can't help him become a reliable 3B.
If Andujar hadn't emerged last year, signing Machado would have been a no-brainer. Right now, I'm not so sure...especially if they can sign another piece like Ottavino for the bullpen.
After this move, I am starting to hope that the Yanks will make Gardner the 4th OF, put Stanton in LF and make Andujar the DH.
I know they lose their best defensive OF in that alignment, but Gardner hasn't offered much with the bat lately. Stanton is average in the OF, but the difference between Stanton and Gardner is less than the difference between say, Torres and Andujar defensively at 3B.
DJ and Tulo is a really good defensive middle INF and at least good offensively. Andujar is all bat right now, so DH is fine.
Torres has enough bat for 3B and enough arm as well. Given that they have pitchers who need some good defense behind them, that MIGHT improve pitching outcomes just because they have a defense in that alignment that might get more outs per balls put in play.
Assuming that Sanchez's BABIP reverts to the mean, that would result in a substantive plus at C as well. That COULD conceivably mean more wins even with possibly less offense.
There's only one problem with this - where does Clint Frazier go?
He's got to play in the majors at this point. If we're not going to have a spot for him here, we'd need to deal him.
That and counting on Tulo to be the everyday shortstop, which I think is really risky given his age and injuries.
Yes - very, I agree
It's not going to happen but I would love it.
It's not going to happen but I would love it.
If Harper played first, he would be a perfect target for this team. First base seems to be the biggest question mark outside of short pending Didi coming back from injury.
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just makes me want Harper even more now. That lineup and the team depth would just be ruthless with him in it. I don't care if you have to try Stanton at 1B or even Harper at 1B or Gardner as the 4th OF. Whatever works.
It's not going to happen but I would love it.
If Harper played first, he would be a perfect target for this team. First base seems to be the biggest question mark outside of short pending Didi coming back from injury.
And 3B if Andujar doesn't improve his defense.
Torres will shift from 2B to SS to fill in until Didi returns is the best guess. Tulo will back-up. LeMahieu will cover 2B.
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player for them, but Cashman does? I have to imagine there is something else in the works here, because if not, then wow..
Torres will shift from 2B to SS to fill in until Didi returns is the best guess. Tulo will back-up. LeMahieu will cover 2B.
I'm pretty sure Cashman already said they're viewing Tulo as the SS while Didi is out. I think we'll see a decent amount of Torres at 3B while DJ plays 2B on those days.
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player for them, but Cashman does? I have to imagine there is something else in the works here, because if not, then wow..
Torres will shift from 2B to SS to fill in until Didi returns is the best guess. Tulo will back-up. LeMahieu will cover 2B.
No, this is Plan B. Tulo, if healthy is just the better SS.
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player for them, but Cashman does? I have to imagine there is something else in the works here, because if not, then wow..
Torres will shift from 2B to SS to fill in until Didi returns is the best guess. Tulo will back-up. LeMahieu will cover 2B.
I'm pretty sure Cashman already said they're viewing Tulo as the SS while Didi is out. I think we'll see a decent amount of Torres at 3B while DJ plays 2B on those days.
Wow. Then they really must be planning to move Stanton to left and Andujar to DH.
It's not going to happen but I would love it.
I'd be very comfortable with Gardner as the 4th outfielder if the regulars are Judge, Hicks, Harper and Stanton as DH.
Who is even discussing this as a possibility - source?
The way it looks now is Machado to the White Sox and Harper to Philly.
Who is even discussing this as a possibility - source?
The way it looks now is Machado to the White Sox and Harper to Philly.
So they cant be negotiating with him because you havent heard of it through the media?!
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to NYY coming from?
Who is even discussing this as a possibility - source?
The way it looks now is Machado to the White Sox and Harper to Philly.
So they cant be negotiating with him because you havent heard of it through the media?!
There is not one shred of evidence that NYY is in on Harper - not one. Actually the GM of NYY Brian Cashman made a public comment that the team has no interest in Harper.
But people like you need to conjure bullshit and fantasy up to make the internet a better place...
Who is even discussing this as a possibility - source?
The way it looks now is Machado to the White Sox and Harper to Philly.
Zero chance Harper signs with NY. After the Stanton trade, the door was effectively slammed shut on any new meg-deals.
Harper and Machado were NEVER really in Yankees plans unless they got a huge discount. We're no longer in the era of George Steinbrenner dollars, and the Yankees have to eventual pay all their young rising stars. The "evidence in our faces," has been there all along.
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to NYY coming from?
Who is even discussing this as a possibility - source?
The way it looks now is Machado to the White Sox and Harper to Philly.
So they cant be negotiating with him because you havent heard of it through the media?!
There is not one shred of evidence that NYY is in on Harper - not one. Actually the GM of NYY Brian Cashman made a public comment that the team has no interest in Harper.
But people like you need to conjure bullshit and fantasy up to make the internet a better place...
Im of the opinion that the Yankees arent out on a player until that player is no longer on the market. They can be trying to trade Stanton. They can be sitting back to see which domino falls first. Just because twitter isnt reporting it doesnt mean it isnt happening.
Getting mad at people for discussing rumors is dumb. Doesnt matter if its their rumor or someone elses, everyone is speculating and drawing conclusions based on limited knowledge. Thats what fans do.