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NFT: Knicks Chat: Beck "rumors" Porzingis is unhappy again

DanMetroMan : 1/11/2019 3:04 pm
Beck apparently said on his podcast he's "heard" KP is unhappy with the Knicks plan to have him miss the entire season.
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KP  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 1/11/2019 3:07 pm : link
should understand the big picture here. His career isn't going to be defined on this season. It's going forward.
When he came in as a rookie  
steve in ky : 1/11/2019 3:07 pm : link
he seemed to have a great attitude and always impressed how mature he sounded. What happened to that guy?
What good will having him come back do?  
Beezer : 1/11/2019 3:09 pm : link
Is he a smart young man?

If so, someone should talk to him, in a very no-nonsense manner.
RE: When he came in as a rookie  
adamg : 1/11/2019 3:09 pm : link
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he seemed to have a great attitude and always impressed how mature he sounded. What happened to that guy?


Jackson wasn't exactly a great example for him...
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Anakim : 1/11/2019 3:10 pm : link
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he seemed to have a great attitude and always impressed how mature he sounded. What happened to that guy?



Jackson wasn't exactly a great example for him...


Nor was Melo, really...nor was Joakim Noah...nor was Derrick Rose
I'm glad he's not happy with that  
Eli Wilson : 1/11/2019 3:10 pm : link
I'd be worried if he was cheerful about missing the entire season.
Porzingas coming back this season  
Beezer : 1/11/2019 3:11 pm : link
(a) might get the Knicks 4-6 extra wins,

(b) which most likely would take them a handful of slots down in the draft,

(c) and while there's really no great physical upside to him playing actual games, there's a much better chance there's a risk of re-injury.

So, no.
I  
DanMetroMan : 1/11/2019 3:12 pm : link
understand both sides. Guy wants to play, team wants their franchise player to be healthy and also wants to tank. I don't think either side is wrong.
RE: When he came in as a rookie  
Mike from SI : 1/11/2019 3:13 pm : link
In comment 14258663 steve in ky said:
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he seemed to have a great attitude and always impressed how mature he sounded. What happened to that guy?


He realized how talented he is and that's he stuck on a poorly run franchise.
Porzingis  
Csonka : 1/11/2019 3:14 pm : link
Could there be an insurance money component to the decision?

I don't think he'd have that big of an impact in our draft slot. We'd limit his minutes, and there'd be rust.
He's a young guy itchy to play.  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/11/2019 3:15 pm : link
This will all be forgiven when they add a top 3 pick and are perennially in the playoffs.
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steve in ky : 1/11/2019 3:18 pm : link
In comment 14258679 DanMetroMan said:
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understand both sides. Guy wants to play, team wants their franchise player to be healthy and also wants to tank. I don't think either side is wrong.


I understand too, and actually think he has a fair point. But no reason for him to be griping to people about it.

But IMO they should consider letting him.

I can see where after going through grueling rehab and having that worry and uncertainty in your head until you "test" it in a real game you wouldn't want to be forced to wait the entire off season to do so. If he's physically ready the Knicks could let him come back for very limited minutes just for him to get that behind him.
If  
DanMetroMan : 1/11/2019 3:23 pm : link
you read Beer's piece from yesterday it would be "impossible" barring KP/Janss to be out of their minds for KP to not sign an extension with the Knicks in the off-season. Potentially one of those "worst decisions in sports history" type bad. I thought Spree turning down 21 million from 36-38 and then trashing the Wolves owner was bad... this would be worse. I'm not concerned.
What happened to him?  
Greg from LI : 1/11/2019 3:24 pm : link
The unstoppable black cloud of misery that is the Knicks happened.
Porzingis is a pain the ass  
Chris684 : 1/11/2019 3:26 pm : link
for a guy who hasn't accomplished much of anything in the NBA.

Too bad Phil couldn't get a home run deal for him when he made him available on his way out.
He needs to just worry about getting to 100 percent  
nygiants16 : 1/11/2019 3:27 pm : link
i get he wants to play bjt he needs to get healthy, and whem knicks add a top 3 pick and durant he will be happy.
RE: Porzingis is a pain the ass  
Greg from LI : 1/11/2019 3:28 pm : link
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for a guy who hasn't accomplished much of anything in the NBA.

Too bad Phil couldn't get a home run deal for him when he made him available on his way out.


I give you credit for being a model of consistency - your basketball opinions are just as worthless as your football opinions.
If the Knicks were smart  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 1/11/2019 3:28 pm : link
they'd give KP the max with injury protections like Embiids.
Other  
DanMetroMan : 1/11/2019 3:29 pm : link
than being mediocre tabloid fodder, what does him being a "pain in the ass" do exactly? Again, barring him being out of his fucking mind he's going to be a Knick long term.
RE: If the Knicks were smart  
DanMetroMan : 1/11/2019 3:30 pm : link
In comment 14258722 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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they'd give KP the max with injury protections like Embiids.


It was reported the other day that this is their plan.
Greg continue twiddling your thumbs  
Chris684 : 1/11/2019 3:32 pm : link
trying to figure out if the Snacks trade was worth it.
RE: Other  
nygiants16 : 1/11/2019 3:32 pm : link
In comment 14258724 DanMetroMan said:
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than being mediocre tabloid fodder, what does him being a "pain in the ass" do exactly? Again, barring him being out of his fucking mind he's going to be a Knick long term.


I just do not know why he is worried about this, i get he wants to play but the best thing for his future and knicks future is to sit...

Why is he "upset" abiut this?
every couple weeks there's a new knicks worry  
giants180 : 1/11/2019 3:33 pm : link
i feel like the media in new york are upset this tank is actually going pretty decently that they're doing anything to stir up controversy.

the knox/ntilikina bum story, kanter being unhappy, kp unhappy and other teams being interested in him, the dolan selling the team quote. in a couple weeks we'll hear something else.
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DanMetroMan : 1/11/2019 3:33 pm : link
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than being mediocre tabloid fodder, what does him being a "pain in the ass" do exactly? Again, barring him being out of his fucking mind he's going to be a Knick long term.



I just do not know why he is worried about this, i get he wants to play but the best thing for his future and knicks future is to sit...

Why is he "upset" abiut this?


In fairness we don't know what's going on behind the scenes rehab wise. Maybe he wants to do XYZ physically and they are saying "okay in 2 weeks we can begin that" etc. Rehab isn't fun.
RE: Greg continue twiddling your thumbs  
Greg from LI : 1/11/2019 3:34 pm : link
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trying to figure out if the Snacks trade was worth it.


I'll bet you're one of those guys who simultaneously thinks a)the Giants were THIS close to winning a bunch of those games and making the playoffs and b)that they didn't was the defense's fault.
i get it  
hitdog42 : 1/11/2019 3:36 pm : link
he looks across the city and sees a young up and coming team with great system and culture, and yearns for that.

makes sense to me.
RE: every couple weeks there's a new knicks worry  
DanMetroMan : 1/11/2019 3:37 pm : link
In comment 14258736 giants180 said:
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i feel like the media in new york are upset this tank is actually going pretty decently that they're doing anything to stir up controversy.

the knox/ntilikina bum story, kanter being unhappy, kp unhappy and other teams being interested in him, the dolan selling the team quote. in a couple weeks we'll hear something else.


Thing is... Beck isn't a shit stirrer generally so it's a bit different than Bondy or Isola.
He'll be fine with it when he's  
Ash_3 : 1/11/2019 3:38 pm : link
playing with Zion next semester. The constant mood thermometers on players is silly. Half a year ago, we thought Paul George was a cinch to be a Laker.
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nygiants16 : 1/11/2019 3:39 pm : link
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than being mediocre tabloid fodder, what does him being a "pain in the ass" do exactly? Again, barring him being out of his fucking mind he's going to be a Knick long term.



I just do not know why he is worried about this, i get he wants to play but the best thing for his future and knicks future is to sit...

Why is he "upset" abiut this?



In fairness we don't know what's going on behind the scenes rehab wise. Maybe he wants to do XYZ physically and they are saying "okay in 2 weeks we can begin that" etc. Rehab isn't fun.


i agree, and i get he is frustrated he is not playing but to be upset at the organization would be a little ridiculous if you ask me
RE: i get it  
Strahan91 : 1/11/2019 3:40 pm : link
In comment 14258747 hitdog42 said:
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he looks across the city and sees a young up and coming team with great system and culture, and yearns for that.

makes sense to me.

He was on those Knick teams with Melo that hovered around .500 before nosediving in the second half so he knows what he's missing :)
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steve in ky : 1/11/2019 3:40 pm : link
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than being mediocre tabloid fodder, what does him being a "pain in the ass" do exactly? Again, barring him being out of his fucking mind he's going to be a Knick long term.



I just do not know why he is worried about this, i get he wants to play but the best thing for his future and knicks future is to sit...

Why is he "upset" abiut this?


Rehabbing from this injury is a long, hard, lonely grind. Then they are left with nervous apprehension about what their knee will do when really finally tested in a real game situation. I have heard players that went through this say that they wouldn't want to have to wait an entire second season to get it behind them.

He isn't stupid, he knows they are hoping for the highest pick. But that doesn't change the fact he is going through something dramatic on a personal level and when physically ready wants to get that first game back and over with and behind him.

If he is physically ready they should let him come back sparingly with very limited minutes if that is what he wants.
It's pretty easy to believe that he's not happy with the plan. He's  
Heisenberg : 1/11/2019 3:40 pm : link
been healing and rehabbing for nearly a year. Waiting until next year means he won't play another meaningful game for like 9-10 more months. Probably feels like he's near the end of his rehab and to have the light at the end of the tunnel snuffed out would be hard to take.
Greg  
Chris684 : 1/11/2019 3:40 pm : link
What makes you such an intellectual to call out other people?

On top of being a giant douche bag who ought to be bitch slapped, what do you bring to the table other than the following?

Crying about the Yankee strike zone
Mindless rants about Virginia Tech
Phil Simms nostalgia

Annnnnnnnnd  
Beezer : 1/11/2019 3:43 pm : link
... happy Friday BBI!
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nygiants16 : 1/11/2019 3:45 pm : link
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than being mediocre tabloid fodder, what does him being a "pain in the ass" do exactly? Again, barring him being out of his fucking mind he's going to be a Knick long term.



I just do not know why he is worried about this, i get he wants to play but the best thing for his future and knicks future is to sit...

Why is he "upset" abiut this?



Rehabbing from this injury is a long, hard, lonely grind. Then they are left with nervous apprehension about what their knee will do when really finally tested in a real game situation. I have heard players that went through this say that they wouldn't want to have to wait an entire second season to get it behind them.

He isn't stupid, he knows they are hoping for the highest pick. But that doesn't change the fact he is going through something dramatic on a personal level and when physically ready wants to get that first game back and over with and behind him.

If he is physically ready they should let him come back sparingly with very limited minutes if that is what he wants.


steve i get that, and i would not blame him if he was frustrated, i just dont get the being upset with the knicks...

They have kissed his ass every chance he gets...
maybe I'm behind in my Knicks news but  
Del Shofner : 1/11/2019 3:46 pm : link
(a) has it been definitely reported that the Knicks' plan is that KP doesn't play this year and (b) if so, did the Knicks say why? I thought KP was going to be ready in March.
Well, why wouldn't he be annoyed by the Knicks in that case?  
Greg from LI : 1/11/2019 3:46 pm : link
He wants to play this year and they're trying to keep that from happening. Doesn't seem mysterious to me.
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steve in ky : 1/11/2019 3:47 pm : link
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than being mediocre tabloid fodder, what does him being a "pain in the ass" do exactly? Again, barring him being out of his fucking mind he's going to be a Knick long term.



I just do not know why he is worried about this, i get he wants to play but the best thing for his future and knicks future is to sit...

Why is he "upset" abiut this?



Rehabbing from this injury is a long, hard, lonely grind. Then they are left with nervous apprehension about what their knee will do when really finally tested in a real game situation. I have heard players that went through this say that they wouldn't want to have to wait an entire second season to get it behind them.

He isn't stupid, he knows they are hoping for the highest pick. But that doesn't change the fact he is going through something dramatic on a personal level and when physically ready wants to get that first game back and over with and behind him.

If he is physically ready they should let him come back sparingly with very limited minutes if that is what he wants.



steve i get that, and i would not blame him if he was frustrated, i just dont get the being upset with the knicks...

They have kissed his ass every chance he gets...


Well if you get that and they are planning to deny him that opportunity then you should get why he he is upset with them.
*shouldn't*  
steve in ky : 1/11/2019 3:48 pm : link
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RE: *shouldn't*  
steve in ky : 1/11/2019 3:50 pm : link
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Opps hit submit by mistake on that one
But you dont think they were upfront with him?  
nygiants16 : 1/11/2019 3:52 pm : link
you think when they told him hey we are going to wait to pay you they kept that from him?

and not for nothing why should he want to play? he gets hurt again he is not getting paid
I am not arguing there isn't any merit to making him wait  
steve in ky : 1/11/2019 3:58 pm : link
Just saying why I understand why on a personal level that wouldn't matter to him as much as his being able to get that first game back behind him this season and not be forced to have to wait another one. For me it's not that hard to understand. Nobody is really wrong but surely you can empathize with how he might feel.
I don't see any real harm  
bceagle05 : 1/11/2019 4:00 pm : link
in throwing him out there in a few games, if it's so important to him. The Porzingis brothers all seem like royal pains in the ass though. He'd be wise to include one non-family member in his inner circle.
I can understand if KP being unhappy missing the season  
GeofromNJ : 1/11/2019 4:17 pm : link
The guy must be bored out of his skull by now. But it could be that Fiz thinks that having KP play will hamper the development of Knox who plays the same position. It could also mean that Fiz wants KP to play center rather than PF and he figures that he will need time to work on that position (just a guess on my part).
We'll fix his ass  
ghost718 : 1/11/2019 4:20 pm : link
We've got a Channing Frye deal ready to go
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nygiants16 : 1/11/2019 4:24 pm : link
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The guy must be bored out of his skull by now. But it could be that Fiz thinks that having KP play will hamper the development of Knox who plays the same position. It could also mean that Fiz wants KP to play center rather than PF and he figures that he will need time to work on that position (just a guess on my part).


Knox and kp do not play the same position, knox will be a 3, kp is a 4/5
Call Boston  
GMEN46 : 1/11/2019 4:46 pm : link
Offer Zinger and Lee for Jaylen brown, sac pick and Memphis pick. In the offseason offer New Orleans, hardaway, Frank and 3 first rounders including 2 lottery picks for Anthony Davis. Sign Durant and Bledsoe and go win a championship:

Bledsoe
Brown
Knox
Durant
Davis

Mudiay
Vonleh
Dotson
Robinson
Mid level
Vets and second rounders
maybe we could  
lightemup : 1/11/2019 5:08 pm : link
have dolan make a deal with the NCAA and have porzingis rehab with Duke. He"ll be able to rehab and get some experience with his future teammate. Killing 2 birds with one stone
That's brilliant  
Greg from LI : 1/11/2019 5:13 pm : link
It's a Swiss fuckin' watch if I understand your plan correctly.
This is not a problem  
PaulN : 1/11/2019 5:19 pm : link
If the fucking guy said, wow, this is great, then you have a problem, a player wanting to play and not wait an entire year, at his age, is normal and should be looked at as a good thing. It is not up to him to be smart about this, it is up to the organization to be the smart ones, I am certain his doctors told him it would be okay, so this can not be easy for him, think about his age for a second and tell me what normal kid his age would be happy, a fucking dud may be happy, not a great athlete.
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