is that he'll hit better than Duda, but will prove his glove is not playable.
then what do you do?
It's the only reason I'd been advocating to trade him and as cool as the video is I'd still trade him for a similarly rated prospect in the OF.
but....If he can improve his D he could be the missing piece. Huge middle of the order RH bat, at low cost for the next 4 - 5 years.
and I don't get why he can't improve his D. Wade Boggs did. I am not an expert, but I think 1B should at least be a spot where athletic limitations (like Flores had) shouldn't prevent you from improving your D. I don't even know if Alonso is limited athletically and 1B isn't like him moving to a new position, he's played there all his life from what I know.
Also, Alonso highlights (like Dom Smith did) how hard defense is to project.
Here is a high school write-up on Alonso:
Quote:
2012 National Showcase
Pete Alonso is a 2013 3B/1B with a 6-3 207 lb. frame from Tampa, FL who attends Plant HS. Tall, well proportioned athletic build, very strong. Right handed hitter, straight stance, long and strong swing, best when he isn't trying to pull/lift, has the strength to hit the ball out of the park to all fields, good loose swing, still projects some as a hitter. 7.06 runner, lite on his feet for his size, very good raw arm strength, good hands, accurate throws, actions playable for third, is also a well above average defensive first baseman. Excellent student, verbal commitment to Florida.
don't see it with Davis. Looks like a depth talent to me. I think he's closer to a Wilmer Flores type of upside than a good regular. Below average athlete, stiff even at the plate (like Wilmer). I'm not even hating, he can play 4 positions (plus even throw a few mop up innings) but I'd be surprised if he's much more than a good bench option (best case).
I don't have a great feel either way with Davis. I'd say Wilmer-esque bench piece (800ish OPS, good against lefties) who takes over whatever role Frazier has this year next year + beyond is the most likely outcome since usually things end up somewhere middle of the road.
I have more confidence in Alonso being closer to a top of the division regular / 900 ops guy since that's been his track record everywhere in the minors - not just the PCL. Also has a better track record handling high velocity, lower K rate, hitting for a higher average, etc.
is that he'll hit better than Duda, but will prove his glove is not playable.
then what do you do?
It's the only reason I'd been advocating to trade him and as cool as the video is I'd still trade him for a similarly rated prospect in the OF.
but....If he can improve his D he could be the missing piece. Huge middle of the order RH bat, at low cost for the next 4 - 5 years.
and I don't get why he can't improve his D. Wade Boggs did. I am not an expert, but I think 1B should at least be a spot where athletic limitations (like Flores had) shouldn't prevent you from improving your D. I don't even know if Alonso is limited athletically and 1B isn't like him moving to a new position, he's played there all his life from what I know.
Also, Alonso highlights (like Dom Smith did) how hard defense is to project.
Here is a high school write-up on Alonso:
Quote:
2012 National Showcase
Pete Alonso is a 2013 3B/1B with a 6-3 207 lb. frame from Tampa, FL who attends Plant HS. Tall, well proportioned athletic build, very strong. Right handed hitter, straight stance, long and strong swing, best when he isn't trying to pull/lift, has the strength to hit the ball out of the park to all fields, good loose swing, still projects some as a hitter. 7.06 runner, lite on his feet for his size, very good raw arm strength, good hands, accurate throws, actions playable for third, is also a well above average defensive first baseman. Excellent student, verbal commitment to Florida.
So few players have ever been unplayable at 1B, even those who got switched there after playing other positions for a decade in a pinch are usually fine (like Jay Bruce for example). I find it hard to believe a guy who works as hard as Alonso and has played there so long won't be playable. Piazza sucked but he was a terrible athlete, at the end of his career, and had never gotten any experience there professionally. Other than him can't think of too many others.
love to be wrong on Davis. I just see a guy who mashes in the minors but struggles with high level pitching. He's very Wilmer, I hope he can get to that point because if Wilmer could play LF/RF even in a fill-in role he'd likely still be here.
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1) Andres Gimenez (SS) AA 19/37 votes- 51%
2) Peter Alonso (1B) AAA 24/36 votes- 67%
3) Ronny Mauricio (SS) Kingsport 12/33-36%
4) Mark Vientos (3b) Kingsport 16/31-52%
5) David Peterson (LHP) A+ 21/31- 68%
6) Franklyn Kilome (RHP) AA 20/33-61%
7) Thomas Szapucki (LHP) A 18/32-56%
8) Shervyen Newton (SS) Kingsport 12/30-40%, Run-off with Anthony Kay 17/33-52%
9) Anthony Kay (LHP) AA 18/26-69%
10) Simeon Woods-Richardson (RHP) Kingsport 12/30-40%
11) Will Toffey (3B) 10/29-34%, run-off with Cecchini 15/27-56%
12) Gavin Cecchini (2b) 14/26-46%
13) Francisco Alvarez (C) 9/26-35%
14) Dez Lindsay (OF) 7/18-39%
15) Tony Dibrell (RHP) 9/23-39%
16) Jordan Humphreys (RHP) 7/21-33%, Run-off with Nido 18/24-75%
17) Junior Santos (RHP) 6/28-21%, Run-off with Nido 11/20-55%
18) Tomas Nido (C) 10/23-43%
19) Luis Guillorme (SS) 9/24-38%
20) Adrian Hernandez 6/26-23%, run-off with Wahl/Cortes 8/15-53%
21) Carlos Cortes (2b) 8/21-38%
22) Steven Villines (RHP) 4/16 25%, Run-off with Thompson/Wahl 9/23-39%
23) David Thompson (3b) 8/23-35%
24) Ali Sanchez (C) 9/17-53%
25) Eric Hanhold (RHP) 7/21-33%, run-off 7/20-35%
26) Luis Carpio (IF) 4/18-22%, runoff with Uriarte 9/14-64%
27) Stanley Consuegra (OF) 4/20-20%, runoff with Uriarte/Valdez 6/17-35%, advances due to more votes in previous poll
28) Juan Uriarte (C) 4/19-21%
29) Freddy Valdez (OF) 7/17-41%
30) Daniel Zamora (LHP) 3/17-18%, run-off with Montes De Oca 10/12-83%
31) Jaylen Palmer (??) 3/12-25%, run-off with Montes de Oca/Vilera 9/16-56%
32) Ryley Gilliam (RHP) 5/22-23%, run-off with Manea 8/16-50%, advances due to more votes in previous poll
33) Matt Winaker (OF) 4/22-18
34) Kyle Dowdy (RHP) 6/20-30%, run-off with Vilera 9/12-75%
35) Jaison Vilera (RHP) 6/17-35%
36) Jose Miguel Medina(OF) 6/17-24%
37) Jeremy Vasquez (1b) 3/18-17% run-off with MDO/Manea/Viall 3/7-43%
38) Patrick Mazeika (C) 4/13-31%
39) Walker Lockett (RHP) 5/13-38%
40) Sam Haggerty (UTIL) 7/11 64%
41) Chris Viall (RHP) 4/11 36%
42) Ryder Ryan (RHP) 8/13- 62%
do you think he could be a DJ Lemieu type? Also, Harper I still see going back to Nats. I think Mets are not going to be filled with stars, but I just think our depth is really impressive. The NL East is a tough division.
optimistic they will land Harper. It would make them the favorites in the NL East for sure.
The NLE is gonna be such a dog fight this year. Was comparing the Mets/braves/nats and its so close right now. I think the Phillies are behind but the rest of FA will likely close the gap no matter what happens, so I actually prefer they get Harper bc at least that sets the bats back and hopefully keeps Machado out of the division.
Right now the biggest edge the Mets have is in the back end of the pen so I really hope they continue to build that up. The Braves everyday roster is great but their pitching is pretty far behind the rest.
RE: what kind of player do you think Cecchini turns into?
do you think he could be a DJ Lemieu type? Also, Harper I still see going back to Nats. I think Mets are not going to be filled with stars, but I just think our depth is really impressive. The NL East is a tough division.
I think his best case is Lowrie, just obviously a long shot. Ive always liked his offensive profile just needs to get a chance at the mlb level. Hopefully this year he tears up cuse and force his way to getting a shot here or elsewhere.
Maybe he just wanted to stay in SF but this is a GREAT deal for SF. I would have been all over this.
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RE: what kind of player do you think Cecchini turns into?
do you think he could be a DJ Lemieu type? Also, Harper I still see going back to Nats. I think Mets are not going to be filled with stars, but I just think our depth is really impressive. The NL East is a tough division.
lemahieu is arguably the best defensive 2b in baseball so I'd say there is close to a 0% chance Cecchini is ever a similar player. Don't see Lowrie being realistic either. Lowrie showed massive pop (for a MI) even in college. 17 homers his Jr year at Stanford despite the "Stanford swing" stuff. Anything is possible but Cecchini just doesn't have that kind of swing/loft. I think he can be a big leaguer and help the Mets but an "extra" guy.
Lowrie took his first pro at bat at age 24. His first "good year" wasn't until age 26 and in between he went back and forth between majors/minors. His first 400+ ab season wasn't until age 29. With Cecchini heading into his age 25 season right now, purely in terms of timing that puts him in a relatively similar window, especially since last year was simply a lost year due to injury.
In terms of scouting reports, they also both profiled similarly - low k, solid contact skills, solid ability to draw walks. Below average SS and athletes who ended up moving over to 2B (though Lowrie stuck at SS longer). Their minor league bodies of worked tracked similarly with their scouting reports - though as Dan pointed out 1 consistency is that Lowrie tracked consistently with more power.
However - if you cherry picked Cecchini's upside, he has shown flashes of similar power. In his 120 AB's last year, his isolated slg% was the highest of his career and very comparable with what Lowrie did when he was in AAA (non-pcl though). Ironically it was actually the exact average of Lowrie's unexpectedly awesome last 2 seasons for Oakland. His overall 2015-2016 slugging %'s were also the same, and in 2015 it was bing not pcl. So 3 of the last 4 years he's shown a similar amount of power, though 2 of them were PCL.
If I could predict how Cecchini's career will actually go from here I wouldn't be on BBI, but I think there's enough there that if he manages to get the most out of what he's shown and successfully make the leap to the big leagues, I could very well see him as a 2-3 fwar 2b in the mold of Lowrie's career average.
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how do u feel miley vs. gio? I expect Gio will cost more but who knows.
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how do u feel miley vs. gio? I expect Gio will cost more but who knows.
Some of the numbers really like Miley but that's obviously forecasting vs. resume (Gio wins that one). I liked Holland the most but Miley vs. Gio I'd be happy with either.
with the most intriguing factor being his career numbers at citi. Even if it was purely just a comfort level or confidence, seems like a big factor going in his direction.
then what do you do?
It's the only reason I'd been advocating to trade him and as cool as the video is I'd still trade him for a similarly rated prospect in the OF.
but....If he can improve his D he could be the missing piece. Huge middle of the order RH bat, at low cost for the next 4 - 5 years.
and I don't get why he can't improve his D. Wade Boggs did. I am not an expert, but I think 1B should at least be a spot where athletic limitations (like Flores had) shouldn't prevent you from improving your D. I don't even know if Alonso is limited athletically and 1B isn't like him moving to a new position, he's played there all his life from what I know.
Also, Alonso highlights (like Dom Smith did) how hard defense is to project.
Here is a high school write-up on Alonso:
Pete Alonso is a 2013 3B/1B with a 6-3 207 lb. frame from Tampa, FL who attends Plant HS. Tall, well proportioned athletic build, very strong. Right handed hitter, straight stance, long and strong swing, best when he isn't trying to pull/lift, has the strength to hit the ball out of the park to all fields, good loose swing, still projects some as a hitter. 7.06 runner, lite on his feet for his size, very good raw arm strength, good hands, accurate throws, actions playable for third, is also a well above average defensive first baseman. Excellent student, verbal commitment to Florida.
I don't have a great feel either way with Davis. I'd say Wilmer-esque bench piece (800ish OPS, good against lefties) who takes over whatever role Frazier has this year next year + beyond is the most likely outcome since usually things end up somewhere middle of the road.
I have more confidence in Alonso being closer to a top of the division regular / 900 ops guy since that's been his track record everywhere in the minors - not just the PCL. Also has a better track record handling high velocity, lower K rate, hitting for a higher average, etc.
then what do you do?
It's the only reason I'd been advocating to trade him and as cool as the video is I'd still trade him for a similarly rated prospect in the OF.
but....If he can improve his D he could be the missing piece. Huge middle of the order RH bat, at low cost for the next 4 - 5 years.
and I don't get why he can't improve his D. Wade Boggs did. I am not an expert, but I think 1B should at least be a spot where athletic limitations (like Flores had) shouldn't prevent you from improving your D. I don't even know if Alonso is limited athletically and 1B isn't like him moving to a new position, he's played there all his life from what I know.
Also, Alonso highlights (like Dom Smith did) how hard defense is to project.
Here is a high school write-up on Alonso:
Quote:
2012 National Showcase
Pete Alonso is a 2013 3B/1B with a 6-3 207 lb. frame from Tampa, FL who attends Plant HS. Tall, well proportioned athletic build, very strong. Right handed hitter, straight stance, long and strong swing, best when he isn't trying to pull/lift, has the strength to hit the ball out of the park to all fields, good loose swing, still projects some as a hitter. 7.06 runner, lite on his feet for his size, very good raw arm strength, good hands, accurate throws, actions playable for third, is also a well above average defensive first baseman. Excellent student, verbal commitment to Florida.
So few players have ever been unplayable at 1B, even those who got switched there after playing other positions for a decade in a pinch are usually fine (like Jay Bruce for example). I find it hard to believe a guy who works as hard as Alonso and has played there so long won't be playable. Piazza sucked but he was a terrible athlete, at the end of his career, and had never gotten any experience there professionally. Other than him can't think of too many others.
Rookie maximums for at-bats (130), games pitched (30) or innings (50) in the major leagues"
If the 2 leaders are within 5% of each other, or the leader has less than 30% there will be a run-off between the top 2. If a run-off results in a tie the tiebreaker will be vote total in the previous poll, we will continue to "go back" in the polls until there is a clear leader.
*Jeff McNeil is ineligible
*Chris Flexen is ineligible
*Drew Smith is ineligible
*Tyler Bashlor is ineligible
1) Andres Gimenez (SS) AA 19/37 votes- 51%
2) Peter Alonso (1B) AAA 24/36 votes- 67%
3) Ronny Mauricio (SS) Kingsport 12/33-36%
4) Mark Vientos (3b) Kingsport 16/31-52%
5) David Peterson (LHP) A+ 21/31- 68%
6) Franklyn Kilome (RHP) AA 20/33-61%
7) Thomas Szapucki (LHP) A 18/32-56%
8) Shervyen Newton (SS) Kingsport 12/30-40%, Run-off with Anthony Kay 17/33-52%
9) Anthony Kay (LHP) AA 18/26-69%
10) Simeon Woods-Richardson (RHP) Kingsport 12/30-40%
11) Will Toffey (3B) 10/29-34%, run-off with Cecchini 15/27-56%
12) Gavin Cecchini (2b) 14/26-46%
13) Francisco Alvarez (C) 9/26-35%
14) Dez Lindsay (OF) 7/18-39%
15) Tony Dibrell (RHP) 9/23-39%
16) Jordan Humphreys (RHP) 7/21-33%, Run-off with Nido 18/24-75%
17) Junior Santos (RHP) 6/28-21%, Run-off with Nido 11/20-55%
18) Tomas Nido (C) 10/23-43%
19) Luis Guillorme (SS) 9/24-38%
20) Adrian Hernandez 6/26-23%, run-off with Wahl/Cortes 8/15-53%
21) Carlos Cortes (2b) 8/21-38%
22) Steven Villines (RHP) 4/16 25%, Run-off with Thompson/Wahl 9/23-39%
23) David Thompson (3b) 8/23-35%
24) Ali Sanchez (C) 9/17-53%
25) Eric Hanhold (RHP) 7/21-33%, run-off 7/20-35%
26) Luis Carpio (IF) 4/18-22%, runoff with Uriarte 9/14-64%
27) Stanley Consuegra (OF) 4/20-20%, runoff with Uriarte/Valdez 6/17-35%, advances due to more votes in previous poll
28) Juan Uriarte (C) 4/19-21%
29) Freddy Valdez (OF) 7/17-41%
30) Daniel Zamora (LHP) 3/17-18%, run-off with Montes De Oca 10/12-83%
31) Jaylen Palmer (??) 3/12-25%, run-off with Montes de Oca/Vilera 9/16-56%
32) Ryley Gilliam (RHP) 5/22-23%, run-off with Manea 8/16-50%, advances due to more votes in previous poll
33) Matt Winaker (OF) 4/22-18
34) Kyle Dowdy (RHP) 6/20-30%, run-off with Vilera 9/12-75%
35) Jaison Vilera (RHP) 6/17-35%
36) Jose Miguel Medina(OF) 6/17-24%
37) Jeremy Vasquez (1b) 3/18-17% run-off with MDO/Manea/Viall 3/7-43%
38) Patrick Mazeika (C) 4/13-31%
39) Walker Lockett (RHP) 5/13-38%
40) Sam Haggerty (UTIL) 7/11 64%
41) Chris Viall (RHP) 4/11 36%
42) Ryder Ryan (RHP) 8/13- 62%
The NLE is gonna be such a dog fight this year. Was comparing the Mets/braves/nats and its so close right now. I think the Phillies are behind but the rest of FA will likely close the gap no matter what happens, so I actually prefer they get Harper bc at least that sets the bats back and hopefully keeps Machado out of the division.
Right now the biggest edge the Mets have is in the back end of the pen so I really hope they continue to build that up. The Braves everyday roster is great but their pitching is pretty far behind the rest.
I think his best case is Lowrie, just obviously a long shot. Ive always liked his offensive profile just needs to get a chance at the mlb level. Hopefully this year he tears up cuse and force his way to getting a shot here or elsewhere.
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lemahieu is arguably the best defensive 2b in baseball so I'd say there is close to a 0% chance Cecchini is ever a similar player. Don't see Lowrie being realistic either. Lowrie showed massive pop (for a MI) even in college. 17 homers his Jr year at Stanford despite the "Stanford swing" stuff. Anything is possible but Cecchini just doesn't have that kind of swing/loft. I think he can be a big leaguer and help the Mets but an "extra" guy.
In terms of scouting reports, they also both profiled similarly - low k, solid contact skills, solid ability to draw walks. Below average SS and athletes who ended up moving over to 2B (though Lowrie stuck at SS longer). Their minor league bodies of worked tracked similarly with their scouting reports - though as Dan pointed out 1 consistency is that Lowrie tracked consistently with more power.
However - if you cherry picked Cecchini's upside, he has shown flashes of similar power. In his 120 AB's last year, his isolated slg% was the highest of his career and very comparable with what Lowrie did when he was in AAA (non-pcl though). Ironically it was actually the exact average of Lowrie's unexpectedly awesome last 2 seasons for Oakland. His overall 2015-2016 slugging %'s were also the same, and in 2015 it was bing not pcl. So 3 of the last 4 years he's shown a similar amount of power, though 2 of them were PCL.
If I could predict how Cecchini's career will actually go from here I wouldn't be on BBI, but I think there's enough there that if he manages to get the most out of what he's shown and successfully make the leap to the big leagues, I could very well see him as a 2-3 fwar 2b in the mold of Lowrie's career average.
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how do u feel miley vs. gio? I expect Gio will cost more but who knows.
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how do u feel miley vs. gio? I expect Gio will cost more but who knows.
Some of the numbers really like Miley but that's obviously forecasting vs. resume (Gio wins that one). I liked Holland the most but Miley vs. Gio I'd be happy with either.