OT Jonah Williams (Alabama) at 6 and potentially trading back up into round 1 for OG Beau Benzschawel (Wisconsin)
Jamon Brown is a UFA. RT is a major concern. We’ve all seen the transformation of the Colts after Nelson and Smith.
Not getting into QB discussion here. Pass rush crew will damn this idea and want to attack the strength of the draft at DL, which is understandable.
We could still look at options later on with so many picks.
What say you?
Edwards for RT?
I'm probably being a dick but I hate that phrase "developmental". How many developmental OL have we had over the yeara? Too mamy to count. How many worked out? None. This is the NFL not MLB. We don't have a farm system. We need guys to play and be ready to play. I know in the past we have had horrible success with all draft picks but mostly in the mid to late rounds but we are conditioned to think like that. I think Gettleman deserves the benefit of the doubt with using these picks on useful players.
Nelson was pick #6 and he's an All Pro as a rookie. If you told me we could get a rookie who ends up as an All Pro I'd sign up for that right now and especially if it was at one of our positions of greatest need.
I'm not saying Williams is in that class because I don't know but just that I think a player like Nelson proves 6 isn't too high for an OL.
Apologies for the post above.
The OL isnt that far away.. the defense however is VERY far away
Assume this is sarcasm.
The draft is fluid - you have to be prepared for all sorts of different scenarios and have a plan in place for as many possibilities as you can.
I think Gettleman will certainly go in looking to beef up the OL as much as possible - but he's not going to forfeit value to force positional selections, nor should he.
That said - with the number of picks we have, I expect us to come out of this draft with about 2-3 more draft prospects for the OL and we might try to add depth via FA as well.
You can love or hate Dave Gettleman, but he's going to address the offensive line. Will he get the right players? We'll see - so far a mixed bad. Solder was better later in the year - so that doesn't look as bad as it did before. Omameh was horrendous. Hernandez got much better as the year progressed - he's a keeper.
Shurmur also went out of his way to praise Halapio the other day - I think he'll still be in the OL plans at least as depth once he's healthy again. He seemed to think Pulley played well later in the year, too. I didn't key in on him enough to know if he picked it up or not - but they seem to think he got a bit better and might be able to help going forward.
Freudian slip?
I am really hoping for a trade down from 6 at least a few spots to pick up an extra 2nd or third and a 2020 1st.
Then take the two defensive players with the first two picks, get BPA out of corner or OT, then start BPA'ing the hell out of the rest of the draft with defensive players and OL.
The one deviation I would make from that is is the Giants got lucky and a QB like David Jones was sitting at 38. Think you have to take a signal caller in that instance, but I would still try to use my first rounder in 2020 on the best possible QB I could as early in the draft as I could.
I am really hoping for a trade down from 6 at least a few spots to pick up an extra 2nd or third and a 2020 1st.
Then take the two defensive players with the first two picks, get BPA out of corner or OT, then start BPA'ing the hell out of the rest of the draft with defensive players and OL.
The one deviation I would make from that is is the Giants got lucky and a QB like David Jones was sitting at 38. Think you have to take a signal caller in that instance, but I would still try to use my first rounder in 2020 on the best possible QB I could as early in the draft as I could.
I think you are dreaming if we trade down a few spots to obtain another 2nd or 3rd and future 1st.
the 2nd round .
If we can keep Vernon and get the best edge available at #6, that would HELP !
The draft is fluid - you have to be prepared for all sorts of different scenarios and have a plan in place for as many possibilities as you can.
I think Gettleman will certainly go in looking to beef up the OL as much as possible - but he's not going to forfeit value to force positional selections, nor should he.
That said - with the number of picks we have, I expect us to come out of this draft with about 2-3 more draft prospects for the OL and we might try to add depth via FA as well.
You can love or hate Dave Gettleman, but he's going to address the offensive line. Will he get the right players? We'll see - so far a mixed bad. Solder was better later in the year - so that doesn't look as bad as it did before. Omameh was horrendous. Hernandez got much better as the year progressed - he's a keeper.
Shurmur also went out of his way to praise Halapio the other day - I think he'll still be in the OL plans at least as depth once he's healthy again. He seemed to think Pulley played well later in the year, too. I didn't key in on him enough to know if he picked it up or not - but they seem to think he got a bit better and might be able to help going forward.
Arc - I can't help wondering if Solder's play improved as Hernandez started to learn his position and settled in a bit more than he was at the beginning of the season? The 2 at least had to develop some chemistry between them from time played together? .... agree with everything else you said.
According to the talking heads, there should be a lot of OL value in rounds 2-4.
Having said that, we don't what the Giants will be able to address through free angency.
On the bright, the Beagles have some difficult decisions coming once again, as they are currently $12M over the cap)
And the 5th year option for a player picked out of the Top 10 but still in the first is a benefit greater than what the late round picks will deliver.
I've been going back and forth. I recognize the strength of the draft and our need to address the pass rush. But the futility of the OL has been nearly a decade. Some may say that OL can be found in later rounds and DG has done that with the Panthers. But the Giants have been unable to develop late round prospects since forever, and I don't think Hal is the one to do it. We either pay up in FA or draft highly rated prospects in the early rounds.
I would have no problem though saying that we will NOT select a certain position with our #1 pick. CB, WR and TE for example are not a good idea for us this year at the 7th position.
Personally I m more concerned about long term planning which is why I m hoping they deem Haskins as worthy of the 6th pick.
This team has holes in many areas and they should be able to fill one of them at #6 with a talented prospect if they can avoid reaching for position like they did with Flowers.
The selection of Barkley last year gives me hope that this regime gets it. Take what the board gives you. Don't leave talent on the board.
If Williams isn’t there at #6 what do you do? Just take the next best offensive lineman on your board, even if he is #22 on your board? You just traded back with no compensation for doing so! If a trade is there to be made, great, but that is not often the case.
Stack your board base on your scouting, and take the best players available. Aside from RB it’s not like this team is really set anywhere talent wise. If grades are close you lean toward position of higher value/need, but it’s a mistake to just say the first two picks will be used on the Oline.
QB, ER, RT, LB, FS, CB, WR, C and LT.
We are basically the "poster child" for BPA-strategy...
If the best player on the board at 6 and 38 are lineman then great. If theres a RB, WR, or TE graded slightly better but still comparable to the lineman thats OK too. But if the best lineman available at 38 has a late 3rd round grade and theres an edge rusher or safety available who matches that slot and they still go lineman then we're in for more of the same. Fortunately despite some questionable FA decisions I do trust Gettleman to draft well. He doesnt strike me as someone who "gets cute" or outsmarts himself.
Trust your board.
But if they are BPA then you aren't reaching.
I'm just busting balls.
We haven’t drafted a front 7 attacker since JPP. This is the NY Giants. And people wonder why the defense can’t get a stop... save for 2016.
Front 7!
The OL is easier to "find" or "Make".... QB????
Edge was always a Jedrry Reese emphasis...say what you will, it's the fastest way to impact a defense and the ebst way to make the other 10 defensive guys on your field "better players"
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You can't really just go into a draft and say "we're going to draft two offensive linemen with our first two picks"
The draft is fluid - you have to be prepared for all sorts of different scenarios and have a plan in place for as many possibilities as you can.
I think Gettleman will certainly go in looking to beef up the OL as much as possible - but he's not going to forfeit value to force positional selections, nor should he.
That said - with the number of picks we have, I expect us to come out of this draft with about 2-3 more draft prospects for the OL and we might try to add depth via FA as well.
You can love or hate Dave Gettleman, but he's going to address the offensive line. Will he get the right players? We'll see - so far a mixed bad. Solder was better later in the year - so that doesn't look as bad as it did before. Omameh was horrendous. Hernandez got much better as the year progressed - he's a keeper.
Shurmur also went out of his way to praise Halapio the other day - I think he'll still be in the OL plans at least as depth once he's healthy again. He seemed to think Pulley played well later in the year, too. I didn't key in on him enough to know if he picked it up or not - but they seem to think he got a bit better and might be able to help going forward.
Arc - I can't help wondering if Solder's play improved as Hernandez started to learn his position and settled in a bit more than he was at the beginning of the season? The 2 at least had to develop some chemistry between them from time played together? .... agree with everything else you said.
I'm sure the chemistry aspect played a role, as it often does when offensive lines perform well.
Solder seems to be one of those guys that takes a few weeks to hit his stride. Apparently this was sort of a common theme with him in NE. Some slow starts, but better showings as the years progressed.
Hernandez really made strides. He was making a lot of mistakes early in the year but by Week 17, he really looked comfortable and should be a fixture @ OG here for the next 10 years if he can stay healthy.
If the Giants come away with any other position addressed in the top 2 rounds they've addressed a hole.