Yay or Nay? Fortifying OL in first 2 rounds?

This team needs a lot - go BPA. Don’t reach for need.

Also, don’t focus everything on the defense. The last time we used all resources on improving the defense, the roster flipped where the defense was strong but offense below average. BPA.

In comment 14259294 djm said:

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Let’s ignore the front seven for another year! Who needs pass rushers and run stuffers. We haven’t drafted a front 7 attacker since JPP. This is the NY Giants. And people wonder why the defense can’t get a stop... save for 2016. Front 7!

And what happens when you're sitting there at 6 and the top front 7 players are all gone? The next edge rusher on your board has a mid to late first round grade, and Jonah Williams or some other OL is sitting there who you have a top 10 grade on?

I'm all for improving the front 7 but that's not how you do it. You talk yourself into taking a lesser prospect be the need is there and 3 years later the unit hasn't improved and you have yet another first round pick who's looking at getting his 2nd contract from another team, not to mention the OL still needs to be upgraded. Does need factor in? Of course, when you're talking about two similarly graded prospects. But when you weigh the need too heavily that's why you end up cutting and trading guys in the middle of another abysmal season, like we saw this past year.

We clearly want to win in the trenches, that's the team we want to build. BPA with an emphasis on those units. We invested a huge resource last year into Barkley, stay the course. OL should continue to be a priority. This may mean a slight "overdraft" or "overspend" but it is necessary if you're committed to building a team identity.

I think DG is good at finding OL. Feel like he would find some gems after the 1st round.

What if the OT you want gets picked before 6. Are you going to reach for the next best OT or just concede and play Wheeler again at RT next year. And what if the OL you wanted in the 2nd is gone. Going to reach again or play Nick Gates at RG. The Giants have zero [players at RT and RG. You can't wait for the draft and hope you get who you want and that they're NFL ready day one. You have to fill immediate needs in FA.

go with the strength, One of the elite defenders will fall to us and there will be some good Leftovers at 38. If we sign Daryl Williams as I have been calling for since December we will have a better line if Brown is resigned and Halapio is healthy. We will have 6 picks in rounds 4 and 5. Find an interior OL and a Swing Tackle to give Wheeler competition. Deihl was a 5, they can be found...I would not spend a 6th pick on an OL unless he as a stud LT!

Was my mantra off and on for (since before you were born basically).

This year it's "DL, OLB, ILB, FS, repeat."

For reasons stated already.

Free agency could be part of the answer, but championship teams are built mostly through the draft.

So they have to get a couple of realistic OL prospects in the draft this spring, and one or two more next spring.

Ideally one this spring would be a Tackle in the first or second round and another would be an interior line pick on the third day. But they can't force these because we all know that reaching for a player almost never works out. That means some creative trading to move picks around might be needed, and DG has plenty of ammo for this with all those extra day three picks they are going to have.

I am looking forward to an entertaining draft weekend in April.

Completely agree. The Center class is supposed to be intriguing. I’m waiting to see if any exciting prospects at that position emerge in the early rd 2 range as the scouting process unfolds.

`DG has had success in the past, and what he believes is the way to build a team. Think we are big players in this draft and in FA if we can get ELI to restructure for more cap $$$ now.

Round 1 and 2, unless we get our franchise QB, then it's defense round 2. Round 4 with 3 picks you can add the linebackers and maybe another guard. Round 5 with 3 picks maybe another linebacker, free safety and tight end, 2 way tight end who can block. Engram should be a slot receiver. We need pass rushers desperately.

Expect to trade some of those 4,5,6 to go up into high 2nd or 3rd.

Giving you:

6
35?
38

Plus whatever is left after the trade up...i would still go D with the first 3.

Maybe Target OL with one of the remaining 4th (or is it only a 5th) plus your big free agent splash.

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In comment 14259159 allstarjim said: Quote: Premium picks on pass rushers. Hoping for a 5-tech and Edge with the first two picks, in any order. I am really hoping for a trade down from 6 at least a few spots to pick up an extra 2nd or third and a 2020 1st. Then take the two defensive players with the first two picks, get BPA out of corner or OT, then start BPA'ing the hell out of the rest of the draft with defensive players and OL. The one deviation I would make from that is is the Giants got lucky and a QB like David Jones was sitting at 38. Think you have to take a signal caller in that instance, but I would still try to use my first rounder in 2020 on the best possible QB I could as early in the draft as I could. I think you are dreaming if we trade down a few spots to obtain another 2nd or 3rd and future 1st.

The point wasn't to posit the literal trade, just the idea.

Last year, however, the Jets traded up just 3 spots and, in addition to their original 1st rounder, also sent two 2018 2nds and a 2019 2nd. That's a first and three seconds to move up just three spots. I think a return of a 2020 first and an extra pick or two, one of them being a premium pick in 2019 as well (2nd or 3rd). That's realistic.

Than draft.

we are just wasting him.....and if we are going to waste him, why did we draft him?

Get a freakin' OL in front of him....

In comment 14260232 Doomster said:

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we are just wasting him.....and if we are going to waste him, why did we draft him? Get a freakin' OL in front of him....

Wow, such well thought out analysis.

But, maybe add one great, or two better players. No sense just random jags.

In comment 14259159 allstarjim said:

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Premium picks on pass rushers. Hoping for a 5-tech and Edge with the first two picks, in any order. I am really hoping for a trade down from 6 at least a few spots to pick up an extra 2nd or third and a 2020 1st. Then take the two defensive players with the first two picks, get BPA out of corner or OT, then start BPA'ing the hell out of the rest of the draft with defensive players and OL. The one deviation I would make from that is is the Giants got lucky and a QB like David Jones was sitting at 38. Think you have to take a signal caller in that instance, but I would still try to use my first rounder in 2020 on the best possible QB I could as early in the draft as I could.

By the time the draft comes in April, Daniel Jones will be a first round pick. Kid has all the measurables & will go relatively high as he & Haskins will be in high demand!

In the unit. After a revolving door at Center that's where I would put all the chips. But as by far the most myopic bbi 'draft the ol' poster since...forever, I would not mind more. I mean, how many years ago...was it... I was alone here saying 'go OL 1st,2nd,3rd rounds'?

It's just; you look at the market and play into it. And, draft wise that looks like D,D and D...and D..

In comment 14260482 TheMick7 said:

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In comment 14259159 allstarjim said: Quote: Premium picks on pass rushers. Hoping for a 5-tech and Edge with the first two picks, in any order. I am really hoping for a trade down from 6 at least a few spots to pick up an extra 2nd or third and a 2020 1st. Then take the two defensive players with the first two picks, get BPA out of corner or OT, then start BPA'ing the hell out of the rest of the draft with defensive players and OL. The one deviation I would make from that is is the Giants got lucky and a QB like David Jones was sitting at 38. Think you have to take a signal caller in that instance, but I would still try to use my first rounder in 2020 on the best possible QB I could as early in the draft as I could. By the time the draft comes in April, Daniel Jones will be a first round pick. Kid has all the measurables & will go relatively high as he & Haskins will be in high demand!

It's possible but I'm not as certain as you are. You have, in my opinion, 4 QBs that "might" be first rounders. I don't think all 4 will go in the first round, however. I think at most this year, only two goes in the first. But which two, I have no idea. I think if I were placing odds I'd have Haskins with the best chance of going in the first. The other QBs being Jones, Lock, and Grier. I would rather the Giants take one of those guys at their 2nd round pick and be in position to take another guy they love in the 2020 draft in the first round (hopefully if they have a chance at one of the top guys), and then let the competition play itself out.

You're going to have Herbert, Tua, Fromm, Shea Patterson, K.J. Costello, perhaps Jacob Eason...Giants should go back to back in using a premium pick on QB to try and find Eli's replacement because there is no greater challenge or impact to this team than getting that position right for the next era of Giants' football.

But in terms of this year, I think Daniel Jones could go in the first, but I also think Drew Lock could go in the first. I think, somewhat less likely, that Will Grier could go in the first. But I don't think all 4 will, someone's going to slip probably two of them, and if the Giants have a shot in the 2nd, that would probably be the right time to get a guy.

we just MUST get a free safety out of the draft...

2016 the Giants had the 2nd best defense in the NFL.

Starting free safety was Andrew Adams. If there's a position on the defense that you can just get by with by putting a jag-type of player there, it's free safety. They need to get much better up front, and get some corner help.

Barks, Hernandez, maybe even carter.

Don't ignore the market. The market is telling you to stick at 6, also to stockpile 2nd rounders (possibly trading this drafts extra picks or late rounders) and vacuum up D prospects, mostly front 7ers.

That informs (or outlines in
reverse) your 2019 free agency strategy, and your 2020 research plan.