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some thoughts from chris ballard......

thrunthrublue : 1/12/2019 2:15 am
colts GM chris ballard's thoughts from this season, he realized their 2017 inferior play was getting his qb busted into pieces. acquired guard
quenton nelson with his #6 pick, then, second round #6 it was another guard, braden smith. "If the interior of the line performs, Ballard said, the tackles improve too. "It makes a huge difference" he said, "it makes a huge difference in your tackles play. They just gotta push guys by" he also said, so well....."Coaching can take you so far" "The locker room takes you over the top. You've got to have a locker room that can challenge each other, not being.....average. They're the police officers, They've gotta be the ones that solve the problems.

the colts.....are very good. its enjoyable to watch their offensive line give andrew luck lots of time. chris ballard has laid out a magnificent blueprint for winning. protect your quarterback, and rattle theirs. as i recall that is a very similar machine that coach bill parcells built his giants teams into.

and with the #6 pick in the 2019 NFL draft the new york giants select.........


I agree very much  
English Alaister : 1/12/2019 4:03 am : link
That you have to have a locker room that polices itself. There are brilliant coaches like Parcells who do a great job but there were also great leaders of men like Carson and George Martin as well as guys like Taylor and Bavaro who led by example on the field. I'm reminded of Parcells' hall of fame speech..."the locker room is a great laboratory for human behavior" etc

I think the Giants upgraded there significantly with Ogletree and Barkley. We need more.
This draft needs to be defense, defense, defense....  
GiantGolfer : 1/12/2019 8:09 am : link
And then a little more defense. Shore up the O-Line thru free agency.
Arguably the Exec of the Year here...  
bw in dc : 1/12/2019 8:30 am : link
Has cleaned up a lot of the mess caused by his predecessor Grigson.

I think I read the Colts have close to $100M in cap space, too. This team is in position to be a real threat for a long time.

It was certainly obvious the Colts needed to better protect Luck. But to execute that goal with such good selections is just as good as it gets.

That oline is very physical. And a major reason I think they may walk into KC today and dominate.

Culture is huge, too. Itís a real art to find the right mix of players who can fit together, despite the differences that will naturally occur. Managing personalities is the key to success at any organization.
He's talking about culture  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/12/2019 8:39 am : link
so important to sustainable winning
It's ironic my esteemed colleague above, bw,  
JCin332 : 1/12/2019 8:40 am : link
is agreeing with this approach considering our 1st year GM is espousing the same approach...and bw has ridiculed said GM and "jints central" at every opportunity...

bw  
bc4life : 1/12/2019 8:45 am : link
No way they're beating KC, no way no how.
Good thing the Colts didn't fire Ballard after his first season.  
Britt in VA : 1/12/2019 8:49 am : link
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RE: bw  
bw in dc : 1/12/2019 8:55 am : link
In comment 14259234 bc4life said:
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No way they're beating KC, no way no how.


I hit one winner out of the four games last week. So if there is anybodyís predictions to ignore or go the other way on, itís definitely me. ; )
As for the other two wises asses...  
bw in dc : 1/12/2019 8:57 am : link
on this thread, itís way too early to get me going. ; )
RE: I agree very much  
Jimmy Googs : 1/12/2019 8:59 am : link
In comment 14259196 English Alaister said:
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That you have to have a locker room that polices itself. There are brilliant coaches like Parcells who do a great job but there were also great leaders of men like Carson and George Martin as well as guys like Taylor and Bavaro who led by example on the field. I'm reminded of Parcells' hall of fame speech..."the locker room is a great laboratory for human behavior" etc

I think the Giants upgraded there significantly with Ogletree and Barkley. We need more.


Extend Jonathan Stewart?
What's right....  
Emlen'sGremlins : 1/12/2019 9:19 am : link
....is right.
RE: Arguably the Exec of the Year here...  
DavidinBMNY : 1/12/2019 9:28 am : link
In comment 14259225 bw in dc said:
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Has cleaned up a lot of the mess caused by his predecessor Grigson.

I think I read the Colts have close to $100M in cap space, too. This team is in position to be a real threat for a long time.

It was certainly obvious the Colts needed to better protect Luck. But to execute that goal with such good selections is just as good as it gets.

That oline is very physical. And a major reason I think they may walk into KC today and dominate.

Culture is huge, too. Itís a real art to find the right mix of players who can fit together, despite the differences that will naturally occur. Managing personalities is the key to success at any organization.


Definitely the exec of the year. The Colts didn't just make the playoffs, they have already won. Great turn around and it was a well laid out and executed plan.
RE: What's right....  
Johnny5 : 1/12/2019 9:43 am : link
In comment 14259252 Emlen'sGremlins said:
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....is right.

For sure. They were getting Luck destroyed back there. QB needs adequate protection or what's the point of spending a high pick on one?
RE: RE: I agree very much  
JCin332 : 1/12/2019 10:25 am : link
In comment 14259243 Jimmy Googs said:
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Extend Jonathan Stewart?


Gotta give that one up bro...
RE: This draft needs to be defense, defense, defense....  
djm : 1/12/2019 10:30 am : link
In comment 14259215 GiantGolfer said:
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And then a little more defense. Shore up the O-Line thru free agency.


You have to taylor the offseason moves around the talent pool being available. The draft is loaded with defensive front 7 talent. The nyg offensive puzzle is literally 1 maybe 2 players away from being complete and you donít need stars everywhere.

The defense lacks talent, it lacks an identity and it lacks staying power. It lacks home grown NYG defensive DNA. The giants win when they devote draft resources to the defensive side of the ball. The football gods are pleased when the giants draft angry front 7 players early and often. We havenít followed this blueprint in close to a decade. Time to get back to NY Giants football. Draft defense. Players will be available.

Sign the OL via FA.
RE: RE: RE: I agree very much  
Jimmy Googs : 1/12/2019 10:52 am : link
In comment 14259298 JCin332 said:
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In comment 14259243 Jimmy Googs said:


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Extend Jonathan Stewart?



Gotta give that one up bro...


Yeah your right. I will when the Giants do...
Signing FA OL sounds great but.......  
Chocco : 1/12/2019 11:00 am : link
Almost every other team is trying to do the same thing. You end up overpaying for average players and/or reaching for guys like Omameh. Drafting a lineman like Hernandez (if they are BPA) can set you up for years without killing your cap.
RE: Signing FA OL sounds great but.......  
mdc1 : 1/12/2019 11:22 am : link
In comment 14259333 Chocco said:
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Almost every other team is trying to do the same thing. You end up overpaying for average players and/or reaching for guys like Omameh. Drafting a lineman like Hernandez (if they are BPA) can set you up for years without killing your cap.


this.
Colts draft this year has a chance to go down as one of  
mfsd : 1/12/2019 11:33 am : link
the best in recent memory. 2 all pros as rookies (Nelson and Leonard) and another solid starting RT in Smith.

Thatís how you build a team. DGs first draft looks good so far, need another good one this year
It's amazimg how a Healthy Luck can help make a GM  
ZogZerg : 1/12/2019 12:14 pm : link
Look good
RE: It's amazimg how a Healthy Luck can help make a GM  
Britt in VA : 1/12/2019 12:16 pm : link
In comment 14259427 ZogZerg said:
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Look good


Also amazing that the arguably the best offensive line in football helps keep him healthy.
RE: RE: It's amazimg how a Healthy Luck can help make a GM  
crick n NC : 1/12/2019 12:20 pm : link
In comment 14259431 Britt in VA said:
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Look good



Also amazing that the arguably the best offensive line in football helps keep him healthy.


👍
2016: Andrew Luck 5th most sacked QB in the NFL....  
Britt in VA : 1/12/2019 12:22 pm : link
sacked 41 times, gets injured, misses 2017 season.

2018: Andrew Luck tied for 31st most sacked QB, sacked 18 times, has great year, makes playoffs.
Britt  
crick n NC : 1/12/2019 12:25 pm : link
What you have described is a team effort. There is a lot of single player thinking around here as in one player wins and loses games.
RE: Britt  
Britt in VA : 1/12/2019 12:28 pm : link
In comment 14259448 crick n NC said:
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What you have described is a team effort. There is a lot of single player thinking around here as in one player wins and loses games.


You think it would be obvious to anybody that's watched football more than one season.
RE: 2016: Andrew Luck 5th most sacked QB in the NFL....  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/12/2019 12:29 pm : link
In comment 14259446 Britt in VA said:
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sacked 41 times, gets injured, misses 2017 season.

2018: Andrew Luck tied for 31st most sacked QB, sacked 18 times, has great year, makes playoffs.


A lot of that is change in offense too. More running the ball, more short drops.
It's interesting britt  
crick n NC : 1/12/2019 12:33 pm : link
Because I "watched" football for years but I figured I knew all that I needed to know so I closed my mind to learning anything new or contrary to what I already knew. This resulted in my overconfidence of incorrect information which often lead to me looking silly. I know more than i used to simply because I questioned what I knew to see if it held up. Unfortunately at times I still fall back into this way of thinking although it seems to mostly happen when I am g t patient enough to let things play out.
Seems  
Jon in NYC : 1/12/2019 12:34 pm : link
like a smart cookie. Wonder where he went to school.
Not patient  
crick n NC : 1/12/2019 12:34 pm : link
Enough
RE: It's amazimg how a Healthy Luck can help make a GM  
bw in dc : 1/12/2019 12:45 pm : link
In comment 14259427 ZogZerg said:
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Look good


And not wasting high picks on running backs helps, too.

Mack - 4th round, Hines - 4th round, Wilkins - 5th round.
Yeah....  
Britt in VA : 1/12/2019 12:48 pm : link
Hell, even this year's performance improved once the offensive line play improved, and yet still people want to credit the improvement to "playing backup QB's", as if that had something to do with our offensive performance vs. the defense.

Just look at the splits between the first half and second half of the season:

1st 8 games:

Sacked 31 times
623 rushing yards averaging 4.2 per carry
77.9 rushing yards per game avg.

last 8 games:

Sacked 16 times
1027 rushing yards averaging 5.0 per carry
128.4 rushing yards per game avg.


Offensive line is the difference. It's glaring.
This is why  
PaulN : 1/12/2019 2:56 pm : link
Jerry Reese fucked this up royally. Just because Eli never got hurt doesn't mean it was okay, the guy is not the same QB because he is so gun shy now with so many horrendous Olines, running bums out there year after year just to make himself look good was a disgrace and to see our owner watch it all and do nothing sickened me to death, then he fires Coughlin, the only brains in the outfit and keeps the idiot. With Coughlin as GM and maybe president of some sort he would have made McAdoo work here and would have fixed the Oline right away. Reese and Mara ruined Eli's years here as QB, his best years were ruined.
RE: Yeah....  
eli4life : 1/12/2019 3:59 pm : link
In comment 14259480 Britt in VA said:
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Hell, even this year's performance improved once the offensive line play improved, and yet still people want to credit the improvement to "playing backup QB's", as if that had something to do with our offensive performance vs. the defense.

Just look at the splits between the first half and second half of the season:

1st 8 games:

Sacked 31 times
623 rushing yards averaging 4.2 per carry
77.9 rushing yards per game avg.

last 8 games:

Sacked 16 times
1027 rushing yards averaging 5.0 per carry
128.4 rushing yards per game avg.


Offensive line is the difference. It's glaring.


Come on you know better to use legit facts around here.

As far as Indy goes I like how not only did they fix the line they turned this into a more physical team on both sides of the ball. Something we should do as well
RE: Colts draft this year has a chance to go down as one of  
Jay on the Island : 1/12/2019 7:46 pm : link
In comment 14259379 mfsd said:
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the best in recent memory. 2 all pros as rookies (Nelson and Leonard) and another solid starting RT in Smith.

Thatís how you build a team. DGs first draft looks good so far, need another good one this year

Kemoko Turay and Tyquan Lewis have flashed as well.
RE: RE: It's amazimg how a Healthy Luck can help make a GM  
Jay on the Island : 1/12/2019 7:47 pm : link
In comment 14259477 bw in dc said:
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Look good



And not wasting high picks on running backs helps, too.

Mack - 4th round, Hines - 4th round, Wilkins - 5th round.

Having a great offensive line can make average backs look good. Imagine what Barkley would do with the Colts offensive line.
The Giants used the 2nd pick in the draft on a RB  
arniefez : 1/12/2019 7:55 pm : link
Giants fans think Ogletree playing ILB is a good thing. Not sure who is more clueless the Giants FO or the suckers who bought PSLs.
I'd be happy  
Jay in Toronto : 1/12/2019 8:07 pm : link
with either Badger Guards, second round on.
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