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Schneier: Why the Giants will sign OT Daryl Williams in FA

Big Blue '56 : 1/12/2019 10:07 am

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Dan Schneier (@DanSchneierNFL)
1/10/19, 12:33 PM

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Why the Giants WILL sign Daryl Williams in FA:
- No $ invested in O-line besides Solder
- PFF No. 2 RT in 2017, injured in 2018
- Gettleman connection (drafted him in Rd. 4)
- CAR has dead cap tied to LT Kalil + Moton on the roster for cheap + $ tied up in OG Turne


Dan Schneier (@DanSchneierNFL)
1/10/19, 12:18 PM
This is the realistic part. The Panthers have already invested a ton of $$ in their O-line. Reports suggest Williams will move on. He was a top-5 ELITE OT in 2017. Injured in 2018. Gettleman found him in Rd. 4 w/ CAR. Giants only have O-line $ tied up with Solder


Dan Schneier (@DanSchneierNFL)
1/10/19, 12:37 PM
They will only have cap space for one big contract, if any. If the Giants sign Williams, that will be all. Their best move will be to then AVOID quick-hit signings (like Stewart, Omameh) and play the second wave of FA (like Michael Thomas, Latimer. No cap space to do all this

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I'm thinking  
mrvax : 1/12/2019 11:11 am : link
the best bet is a FA RT, maybe even a FA C too. The idea being to land some defensive players early in the draft. If pick #6 is a great young ER, that would be fantastic.
more like we sign him  
mdc1 : 1/12/2019 11:16 am : link
and nothing improves, yet pay more again for less return. When is this team going to learn to build an oline that will support the future. We should change our name to the NY Potholes.

It all depends on the players  
AcesUp : 1/12/2019 11:16 am : link
Luckily for the Giants, for the reasons mentioned, Williams is a quality player that should hit the market. He also happens to be at one of our biggest positions of need. Matt Paradis is another, but it's a little more up in the air on whether he hits the market. I think the edge rusher market will be bloated, OL is shaping up to be the better FA play.
RE: A sure-fire way to lose in the NFL is obtaining players  
MBavaro : 1/12/2019 11:21 am : link
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at the high point of their market value...


This, in itself, is a utterly false statement.

There are a ton of parameters you would have to add to that....
RE: more like we sign him  
Big Blue '56 : 1/12/2019 11:21 am : link
In comment 14259351 mdc1 said:
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and nothing improves, yet pay more again for less return. When is this team going to learn to build an oline that will support the future. We should change our name to the NY Potholes.


Assuming hes healthy and good to go, isnt a 26 year-old part of building towards the future?
Then go type a 10-paragraph rebuttal Bavaro.  
Jimmy Googs : 1/12/2019 11:24 am : link
You know what I meant...
RE: RE: more like we sign him  
christian : 1/12/2019 11:36 am : link
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and nothing improves, yet pay more again for less return. When is this team going to learn to build an oline that will support the future. We should change our name to the NY Potholes.




Assuming hes healthy and good to go, isnt a 26 year-old part of building towards the future?


In healthy circumstances I would agree, but with knee surgery in mid-September, I don't love handing out a big multi-year deal without seeing how he gets back on the field.
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Big Blue '56 : 1/12/2019 11:38 am : link
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and nothing improves, yet pay more again for less return. When is this team going to learn to build an oline that will support the future. We should change our name to the NY Potholes.




Assuming hes healthy and good to go, isnt a 26 year-old part of building towards the future?



In healthy circumstances I would agree, but with knee surgery in mid-September, I don't love handing out a big multi-year deal without seeing how he gets back on the field.


True, but at least it was an MCL, which is, in many cases, much easier to come back from
RE: RE: The real reason we will only get one top FA  
BillT : 1/12/2019 11:40 am : link
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Is thats pretty much all anyone can get anymore. There are too many teams with money and too few FA. Our 30+m puts us near the bottom third of the league.



Bottom 3rd of the league, with next to no one to re-sign scave for Collins.

There is room.

Yes. There is room for Collins and one top FA. That is if there is a top FA available after all the other teams make their offers. There are at least 20 teams who have the room if not more than that.
Should just say  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/12/2019 11:51 am : link
Why the Giants will "Target" OT Daryl Williams in FA.

All the rest applies.
Too early to know  
Bruner4329 : 1/12/2019 11:58 am : link
This is too early to predict how much cap space we have. If I had to guess by the time DG is done we will have between 40 to 45 million in cap space between cuts and redoing of contracts.

Also some of those teams ahead of us may have more cap space but they also have some of their own FAs they may need to resign which will eat cap space.
Brown  
Big Blue Hokie : 1/12/2019 12:03 pm : link
I still think a key to this offseason is resigning Brown and looking for an upgrade at center.
Loved him coming out of Oklahoma...  
Matt G : 1/12/2019 12:11 pm : link
Great pickup if it happens
What happened to the "elite" guard from the Panthers  
ZogZerg : 1/12/2019 12:17 pm : link
the Giants wanted last year?
The Jags signed him to add to a good line and their star RB couldn't run the ball.
RE: I'm thinking  
mfsd : 1/12/2019 12:21 pm : link
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the best bet is a FA RT, maybe even a FA C too. The idea being to land some defensive players early in the draft. If pick #6 is a great young ER, that would be fantastic.


I think most of us didn't really see it, but they seem to like Halapio at center. I'm sure they'll consider upgrades everywhere, but i have a feeling they don't spend on a FA center.

If that's how it plays out, I hope they're right - Pulley tried his best but was pretty bad once he took over.

Aside from Richburg's second season when he was mostly healthy, center has been a weakness of our OL since O'Hara
RE: A sure-fire way to lose in the NFL is obtaining players  
Ssanders9816 : 1/12/2019 12:27 pm : link
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at the high point of their market value...


Well thats not true AT ALL. Neither in general OR in this case.
RE: RE: I'm thinking  
Big Blue '56 : 1/12/2019 12:29 pm : link
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the best bet is a FA RT, maybe even a FA C too. The idea being to land some defensive players early in the draft. If pick #6 is a great young ER, that would be fantastic.



I think most of us didn't really see it, but they seem to like Halapio at center. I'm sure they'll consider upgrades everywhere, but i have a feeling they don't spend on a FA center.

If that's how it plays out, I hope they're right - Pulley tried his best but was pretty bad once he took over.

Aside from Richburg's second season when he was mostly healthy, center has been a weakness of our OL since O'Hara


Actually, Baas played well until he got hurt. I also project DG will find a steal of a C in the draft or UDFA
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Banks : 1/12/2019 12:29 pm : link
he's 26 and was all pro last year. Only concern is his knee which I hope lowers the price tag a bit. This has less of a Solder signing feel to it and more of the time we signed McKenzie.
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Big Blue '56 : 1/12/2019 12:31 pm : link
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he's 26 and was all pro last year. Only concern is his knee which I hope lowers the price tag a bit. This has less of a Solder signing feel to it and more of the time we signed McKenzie.


Agree. McKenzie was around 25 or 26?
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mfsd : 1/12/2019 12:34 pm : link
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the best bet is a FA RT, maybe even a FA C too. The idea being to land some defensive players early in the draft. If pick #6 is a great young ER, that would be fantastic.



I think most of us didn't really see it, but they seem to like Halapio at center. I'm sure they'll consider upgrades everywhere, but i have a feeling they don't spend on a FA center.

If that's how it plays out, I hope they're right - Pulley tried his best but was pretty bad once he took over.

Aside from Richburg's second season when he was mostly healthy, center has been a weakness of our OL since O'Hara



Actually, Baas played well until he got hurt. I also project DG will find a steal of a C in the draft or UDFA


Yup youre on point - Baas getting healthy and playing well down the stretch in 2011 was a big part of that SB run
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Banks : 1/12/2019 12:52 pm : link
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Agree. McKenzie was around 25 or 26?

Yup, I think he turned 26 shortly before the season. I think he was vastly underrated and should have seen a couple pro bowls imo. It's wishful thinking, but if we land Williams and grab a top center in the draft this line may be solid next year.
...  
BleedBlue : 1/12/2019 12:57 pm : link
sign williams.

get rid of eli contract

draft haskins or murray at 6 and lets turn the page and get this moving upward
RE: Yes indeed...lets throw a basket full of Free Agent dollars  
bw in dc : 1/12/2019 1:13 pm : link
In comment 14259305 Jimmy Googs said:
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at a good OL that was picked in the 4th round in 2015 coming off his rookie contract.

In fact, make this our marquee signing by using up all our money.

Great way to rebuild a roster...


I hear what you are saying and generally agree. But where the player was drafted seems inconsequential to me.

Id rather use cap dollars on a proven edge rusher like Dee Ford. Im not sure he gets out of KC, but I think hed be worth the chase up to a point. And Sutton runs a 3-4.

Signing OL I free agency  
idiotsavant : 1/12/2019 1:15 pm : link
Fits with defense centric drafting, good.

That said, rather sign a center if it's a choice thing.

And do believe that one great piece > two middling ones in this particular instance at OL here now.
RE: RE: Yes indeed...lets throw a basket full of Free Agent dollars  
Jimmy Googs : 1/12/2019 1:18 pm : link
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at a good OL that was picked in the 4th round in 2015 coming off his rookie contract.

In fact, make this our marquee signing by using up all our money.

Great way to rebuild a roster...



I hear what you are saying and generally agree. But where the player was drafted seems inconsequential to me.

Id rather use cap dollars on a proven edge rusher like Dee Ford. Im not sure he gets out of KC, but I think hed be worth the chase up to a point. And Sutton runs a 3-4.


My point was being ironic...would rather find the good OT with OUR 4th round and then figure out how to fit him under the cap with his second contract.
Apparently...  
Ryan : 1/12/2019 2:15 pm : link
..Carolina tried to extend him last offseason and they ended miles apart on $.

I'd also be leery without knowing which way this offense is going. Not sure he'd be the same player in an offense that throws it 35-40 times a game vs what they did in Carolina's run heavy scheme that plays more to his strengths (he was widely projected as having to move inside to G at the NFL level) and where their leading rusher that year was the QB. Couple that with coming off a season with multiple knee incidents that eventually landed him on IR.

I think he's one that you try for a prove-it year or bake in an early out for the team on a longer term deal. But at this point I wouldn't fixate on him as a long term solution at RT and just hand him starter money.
RE: A sure-fire way to lose in the NFL is obtaining players  
short lease : 1/12/2019 2:22 pm : link
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at the high point of their market value...



"Really ...."



- Dan Snyder.
RE: ...  
GoBlue6599 : 1/12/2019 2:23 pm : link
In comment 14259489 BleedBlue said:
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sign williams.

get rid of eli contract

draft haskins or murray at 6 and lets turn the page and get this moving upward

There is the elephant in the room that nobody seems to mention Eli next year at 23 million is crazy. Haskins with our players on offense is like a dream come true.. Then the Giants will have plenty of cap space for the OL and Defense .. it makes perfect sense
Why are we posting this guy's articles still?  
adamg : 1/12/2019 2:26 pm : link
He's not a real beat writer...
Jamon Brown was very solid pick up  
Rjanyg : 1/12/2019 2:56 pm : link
I am hopeful he is re-signed prior to the beginning of free agency. It is supposed to be a deep Center draft so the 4th round might be the best place to select one or trade a couple of 4th round picks to move up into round 3 if the value is there.

A cheaper option to Williams may be Cam Fleming from Dallas. He played Right Tackle in New England a couple years ago, backed up Smith in Dallas this year. He is more of a RT and played better there.
Not that Brown and Wheeler were game changers  
Jimmy Googs : 1/12/2019 3:02 pm : link
but having that moron Flowers start anywhere on that line when the season began was a fatal flaw. Remember the first qtr against the Jags in Game 1...he was a trainwreck from the get go.

It was incredible how he kept starting on our O-line after his second year...incredibly bad.
We are not limited to only DG's guys  
GeorgeAdams33 : 1/12/2019 3:54 pm : link
Juan James & Seantrel Henderson are 27, Cameron Flemming is 26. There are others who might be better options than Daryl Williams. We don't even know if he's healthy going forward. The last thing I want is another David Baas or Geoff Schwartz where we waste big money on a guy who cannot stay healthy. We drafted enough of those under Reese with Pugh & Richburg.

I want to build a relatively young & healthy line that can evolve into a sturdy, physical unit that is capable of both holding it's ground and getting real movement up front. I am also hoping for a focus on turning fringe players like Elijah Penny & Scott Simonson into a real part of the blocking schemes. Carthon & Bavaro, etc... used to sit in on Offensive Line meetings. I want us to become a tough team again that imposes it's will on the defense and makes them quit. We have the skill position guys to be seriously dangerous with Eli and in the future with his eventual replacement.

I would sign the best RT we can get. At Center I would go with Halapio, Evan Brown, and whatever else we add in the draft or the 2nd wave of FA. I feel good about Shurmur's take on Centers. I would bring Jamon Brown back as well. We don't want to have to fix what isn't broken again after letting Fluker walk.
RE: RE: Yes indeed...lets throw a basket full of Free Agent dollars  
WillVAB : 1/12/2019 5:34 pm : link
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at a good OL that was picked in the 4th round in 2015 coming off his rookie contract.

In fact, make this our marquee signing by using up all our money.

Great way to rebuild a roster...



I hear what you are saying and generally agree. But where the player was drafted seems inconsequential to me.

Id rather use cap dollars on a proven edge rusher like Dee Ford. Im not sure he gets out of KC, but I think hed be worth the chase up to a point. And Sutton runs a 3-4.


Dee Ford has only had one really good year and youre gonna have to pay him Vernon money at a minimum.
RE: RE: RE: Yes indeed...lets throw a basket full of Free Agent dollars  
Ssanders9816 : 1/12/2019 5:39 pm : link
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at a good OL that was picked in the 4th round in 2015 coming off his rookie contract.

In fact, make this our marquee signing by using up all our money.

Great way to rebuild a roster...



I hear what you are saying and generally agree. But where the player was drafted seems inconsequential to me.

Id rather use cap dollars on a proven edge rusher like Dee Ford. Im not sure he gets out of KC, but I think hed be worth the chase up to a point. And Sutton runs a 3-4.




Dee Ford has only had one really good year and youre gonna have to pay him Vernon money at a minimum.


Wait, why would he get Vernon money if hes only had one good year?
RE: A sure-fire way to lose in the NFL is obtaining players  
FStubbs : 1/12/2019 5:41 pm : link
In comment 14259308 Jimmy Googs said:
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at the high point of their market value...


Plaxico Burress
Antonio Pierce
Kareem McKenzie (A RT, btw)
RE: RE: RE: RE: Yes indeed...lets throw a basket full of Free Agent dollars  
WillVAB : 1/12/2019 5:59 pm : link
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at a good OL that was picked in the 4th round in 2015 coming off his rookie contract.

In fact, make this our marquee signing by using up all our money.

Great way to rebuild a roster...



I hear what you are saying and generally agree. But where the player was drafted seems inconsequential to me.

Id rather use cap dollars on a proven edge rusher like Dee Ford. Im not sure he gets out of KC, but I think hed be worth the chase up to a point. And Sutton runs a 3-4.




Dee Ford has only had one really good year and youre gonna have to pay him Vernon money at a minimum.



Wait, why would he get Vernon money if hes only had one good year?


Because someone will pay it.
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Ssanders9816 : 1/12/2019 6:03 pm : link
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at a good OL that was picked in the 4th round in 2015 coming off his rookie contract.

In fact, make this our marquee signing by using up all our money.

Great way to rebuild a roster...



I hear what you are saying and generally agree. But where the player was drafted seems inconsequential to me.

Id rather use cap dollars on a proven edge rusher like Dee Ford. Im not sure he gets out of KC, but I think hed be worth the chase up to a point. And Sutton runs a 3-4.




Dee Ford has only had one really good year and youre gonna have to pay him Vernon money at a minimum.



Wait, why would he get Vernon money if hes only had one good year?



Because someone will pay it.


Not for one good year they wont. But hes had more than one good year so he might...
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WillVAB : 1/12/2019 6:07 pm : link
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at a good OL that was picked in the 4th round in 2015 coming off his rookie contract.

In fact, make this our marquee signing by using up all our money.

Great way to rebuild a roster...



I hear what you are saying and generally agree. But where the player was drafted seems inconsequential to me.

Id rather use cap dollars on a proven edge rusher like Dee Ford. Im not sure he gets out of KC, but I think hed be worth the chase up to a point. And Sutton runs a 3-4.




Dee Ford has only had one really good year and youre gonna have to pay him Vernon money at a minimum.



Wait, why would he get Vernon money if hes only had one good year?



Because someone will pay it.



Not for one good year they wont. But hes had more than one good year so he might...


What good years has he had? Hes been a disappointment until this year.
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AcesUp : 1/12/2019 6:11 pm : link
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Wait, why would he get Vernon money if hes only had one good year?


Vernon only really had one good year when we gave him that money. Pass rushers get paid.
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Ssanders9816 : 1/12/2019 6:56 pm : link
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at a good OL that was picked in the 4th round in 2015 coming off his rookie contract.

In fact, make this our marquee signing by using up all our money.

Great way to rebuild a roster...



I hear what you are saying and generally agree. But where the player was drafted seems inconsequential to me.

Id rather use cap dollars on a proven edge rusher like Dee Ford. Im not sure he gets out of KC, but I think hed be worth the chase up to a point. And Sutton runs a 3-4.




Dee Ford has only had one really good year and youre gonna have to pay him Vernon money at a minimum.



Wait, why would he get Vernon money if hes only had one good year?



Because someone will pay it.



Not for one good year they wont. But hes had more than one good year so he might...



What good years has he had? Hes been a disappointment until this year.


He had 10 sacks two years ago. Thats double digit sacks in two of the last three years with an injury mixed in. Hes showing what hes cable of this year and in this game. He will deservedly get paid well..
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WillVAB : 1/12/2019 7:00 pm : link
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at a good OL that was picked in the 4th round in 2015 coming off his rookie contract.

In fact, make this our marquee signing by using up all our money.

Great way to rebuild a roster...



I hear what you are saying and generally agree. But where the player was drafted seems inconsequential to me.

Id rather use cap dollars on a proven edge rusher like Dee Ford. Im not sure he gets out of KC, but I think hed be worth the chase up to a point. And Sutton runs a 3-4.




Dee Ford has only had one really good year and youre gonna have to pay him Vernon money at a minimum.



Wait, why would he get Vernon money if hes only had one good year?



Because someone will pay it.



Not for one good year they wont. But hes had more than one good year so he might...



What good years has he had? Hes been a disappointment until this year.



He had 10 sacks two years ago. Thats double digit sacks in two of the last three years with an injury mixed in. Hes showing what hes cable of this year and in this game. He will deservedly get paid well..


Yawn.

Hes played like an elite pass rusher this year. Thats why he will get paid. You make it seem like hes been Von Miller the last 5 years.

Id rather some other team make that 20 mil a year gamble.
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Ssanders9816 : 1/12/2019 7:04 pm : link
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at a good OL that was picked in the 4th round in 2015 coming off his rookie contract.

In fact, make this our marquee signing by using up all our money.

Great way to rebuild a roster...



I hear what you are saying and generally agree. But where the player was drafted seems inconsequential to me.

Id rather use cap dollars on a proven edge rusher like Dee Ford. Im not sure he gets out of KC, but I think hed be worth the chase up to a point. And Sutton runs a 3-4.




Dee Ford has only had one really good year and youre gonna have to pay him Vernon money at a minimum.



Wait, why would he get Vernon money if hes only had one good year?



Because someone will pay it.



Not for one good year they wont. But hes had more than one good year so he might...



What good years has he had? Hes been a disappointment until this year.



He had 10 sacks two years ago. Thats double digit sacks in two of the last three years with an injury mixed in. Hes showing what hes cable of this year and in this game. He will deservedly get paid well..



Yawn.

Hes played like an elite pass rusher this year. Thats why he will get paid. You make it seem like hes been Von Miller the last 5 years.

Id rather some other team make that 20 mil a year gamble.


Yawn, he wont get close to that.
RE: We are not limited to only DG's guys  
BlueLou'sBack : 1/12/2019 7:16 pm : link
In comment 14259608 GeorgeAdams33 said:
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Juan James & Seantrel Henderson are 27, Cameron Flemming is 26. There are others who might be better options than Daryl Williams. We don't even know if he's healthy going forward...

I want to build a relatively young & healthy line that can evolve into a sturdy, physical unit...

I would sign the best RT we can get. At Center I would go with Halapio, Evan Brown, and whatever else we add in the draft or the 2nd wave of FA. I feel good about Shurmur's take on Centers. I would bring Jamon Brown back as well. We don't want to have to fix what isn't broken again after letting Fluker walk.


This. Williams isn't the only fish in the sea... Even if it's more like a pond of + talent, we can easily upgrade from Wheeler and at OC. I'm in to keep Brown if it's a prove it deal.
While I would be very happy to get Williams  
Jay on the Island : 1/12/2019 7:28 pm : link
I think it might be better to sign a FA center like Mitch Morse and target David Edwards or Dalton Risner in round 2.
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WillVAB : 1/12/2019 8:08 pm : link
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at a good OL that was picked in the 4th round in 2015 coming off his rookie contract.

In fact, make this our marquee signing by using up all our money.

Great way to rebuild a roster...



I hear what you are saying and generally agree. But where the player was drafted seems inconsequential to me.

Id rather use cap dollars on a proven edge rusher like Dee Ford. Im not sure he gets out of KC, but I think hed be worth the chase up to a point. And Sutton runs a 3-4.




Dee Ford has only had one really good year and youre gonna have to pay him Vernon money at a minimum.



Wait, why would he get Vernon money if hes only had one good year?



Because someone will pay it.



Not for one good year they wont. But hes had more than one good year so he might...



What good years has he had? Hes been a disappointment until this year.



He had 10 sacks two years ago. Thats double digit sacks in two of the last three years with an injury mixed in. Hes showing what hes cable of this year and in this game. He will deservedly get paid well..



Yawn.

Hes played like an elite pass rusher this year. Thats why he will get paid. You make it seem like hes been Von Miller the last 5 years.

Id rather some other team make that 20 mil a year gamble.



Yawn, he wont get close to that.


He will average at least 17 and the highest paid RT right now averages 11.

Mack averages 23.5. Miller averages 19. Ansah, Vernon, etc avg 17.

Let another team take that risk.
The problem with falling in love with any of the FAs  
Beer Man : 1/13/2019 9:47 am : link
is that there are 18 teams with more cap space than the Giants, and a number of them with significantly more (including the Cowpukes at $55M). As we have seen in recent years, other teams seem to always outbid the Giants for the big name OL players.
I have always liked James of the Dolphins. In the past 2-3 years,  
Ivan15 : 1/13/2019 10:31 am : link
there have been some periods or games where he struggled or checked out.

If James becomes available, l could imagine either he or Williams at RT. Probably depends on the price tag.

Has Williams been more consistent than James recently?
RE: Why are we posting this guy's articles still?  
Dodge : 1/13/2019 10:48 am : link
In comment 14259550 adamg said:
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He's not a real beat writer...


He's better than a majority of the guys out there and his podcast is great. Have you read anything or listened to anything from the nj.com guys? It's fucking attrocious.
And  
Dodge : 1/13/2019 10:49 am : link
He also writes on the cbssportsline platform.
RE: And  
Big Blue '56 : 1/13/2019 9:00 pm : link
In comment 14260620 Dodge said:
Quote:
He also writes on the cbssportsline platform.


Hes one of the few reporters out there I pay attention to
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