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Why the Giants WILL sign Daryl Williams in FA: - No $ invested in O-line besides Solder - PFF No. 2 RT in 2017, injured in 2018 - Gettleman connection (drafted him in Rd. 4) - CAR has dead cap tied to LT Kalil + Moton on the roster for cheap + $ tied up in OG Turne Dan Schneier (@DanSchneierNFL) 1/10/19, 12:18 PM This is the realistic part. The Panthers have already invested a ton of $$ in their O-line. Reports suggest Williams will move on. He was a top-5 ELITE OT in 2017. Injured in 2018. Gettleman found him in Rd. 4 w/ CAR. Giants only have O-line $ tied up with Solder Dan Schneier (@DanSchneierNFL) 1/10/19, 12:37 PM They will only have cap space for one big contract, if any. If the Giants sign Williams, that will be all. Their best move will be to then AVOID quick-hit signings (like Stewart, Omameh) and play the second wave of FA (like Michael Thomas, Latimer. No cap space to do all this |
This, in itself, is a utterly false statement.
There are a ton of parameters you would have to add to that....
Assuming he’s healthy and good to go, isn’t a 26 year-old part of building towards the future?
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and nothing improves, yet pay more again for less return. When is this team going to learn to build an oline that will support the future. We should change our name to the NY Potholes.
Assuming he’s healthy and good to go, isn’t a 26 year-old part of building towards the future?
In healthy circumstances I would agree, but with knee surgery in mid-September, I don't love handing out a big multi-year deal without seeing how he gets back on the field.
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and nothing improves, yet pay more again for less return. When is this team going to learn to build an oline that will support the future. We should change our name to the NY Potholes.
Assuming he’s healthy and good to go, isn’t a 26 year-old part of building towards the future?
In healthy circumstances I would agree, but with knee surgery in mid-September, I don't love handing out a big multi-year deal without seeing how he gets back on the field.
True, but at least it was an MCL, which is, in many cases, much easier to come back from
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Is that’s pretty much all anyone can get anymore. There are too many teams with money and too few FA. Our 30+m puts us near the bottom third of the league.
Bottom 3rd of the league, with next to no one to re-sign scave for Collins.
There is room.
Yes. There is room for Collins and one top FA. That is if there is a top FA available after all the other teams make their offers. There are at least 20 teams who have the room if not more than that.
All the rest applies.
Also some of those teams ahead of us may have more cap space but they also have some of their own FAs they may need to resign which will eat cap space.
The Jags signed him to add to a good line and their star RB couldn't run the ball.
I think most of us didn't really see it, but they seem to like Halapio at center. I'm sure they'll consider upgrades everywhere, but i have a feeling they don't spend on a FA center.
If that's how it plays out, I hope they're right - Pulley tried his best but was pretty bad once he took over.
Aside from Richburg's second season when he was mostly healthy, center has been a weakness of our OL since O'Hara
Well that’s not true AT ALL. Neither in general OR in this case.
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the best bet is a FA RT, maybe even a FA C too. The idea being to land some defensive players early in the draft. If pick #6 is a great young ER, that would be fantastic.
I think most of us didn't really see it, but they seem to like Halapio at center. I'm sure they'll consider upgrades everywhere, but i have a feeling they don't spend on a FA center.
If that's how it plays out, I hope they're right - Pulley tried his best but was pretty bad once he took over.
Aside from Richburg's second season when he was mostly healthy, center has been a weakness of our OL since O'Hara
Actually, Baas played well until he got hurt. I also project DG will find a steal of a C in the draft or UDFA
Agree. McKenzie was around 25 or 26?
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the best bet is a FA RT, maybe even a FA C too. The idea being to land some defensive players early in the draft. If pick #6 is a great young ER, that would be fantastic.
I think most of us didn't really see it, but they seem to like Halapio at center. I'm sure they'll consider upgrades everywhere, but i have a feeling they don't spend on a FA center.
If that's how it plays out, I hope they're right - Pulley tried his best but was pretty bad once he took over.
Aside from Richburg's second season when he was mostly healthy, center has been a weakness of our OL since O'Hara
Actually, Baas played well until he got hurt. I also project DG will find a steal of a C in the draft or UDFA
Yup you’re on point - Baas getting healthy and playing well down the stretch in 2011 was a big part of that SB run
Agree. McKenzie was around 25 or 26?
Yup, I think he turned 26 shortly before the season. I think he was vastly underrated and should have seen a couple pro bowls imo. It's wishful thinking, but if we land Williams and grab a top center in the draft this line may be solid next year.
get rid of eli contract
draft haskins or murray at 6 and lets turn the page and get this moving upward
In fact, make this our marquee signing by using up all our money.
Great way to rebuild a roster...
I hear what you are saying and generally agree. But where the player was drafted seems inconsequential to me.
I’d rather use cap dollars on a proven edge rusher like Dee Ford. I’m not sure he gets out of KC, but I think he’d be worth the chase up to a point. And Sutton runs a 3-4.
That said, rather sign a center if it's a choice thing.
And do believe that one great piece > two middling ones in this particular instance at OL here now.
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at a good OL that was picked in the 4th round in 2015 coming off his rookie contract.
In fact, make this our marquee signing by using up all our money.
Great way to rebuild a roster...
I hear what you are saying and generally agree. But where the player was drafted seems inconsequential to me.
I’d rather use cap dollars on a proven edge rusher like Dee Ford. I’m not sure he gets out of KC, but I think he’d be worth the chase up to a point. And Sutton runs a 3-4.
My point was being ironic...would rather find the good OT with OUR 4th round and then figure out how to fit him under the cap with his second contract.
I'd also be leery without knowing which way this offense is going. Not sure he'd be the same player in an offense that throws it 35-40 times a game vs what they did in Carolina's run heavy scheme that plays more to his strengths (he was widely projected as having to move inside to G at the NFL level) and where their leading rusher that year was the QB. Couple that with coming off a season with multiple knee incidents that eventually landed him on IR.
I think he's one that you try for a prove-it year or bake in an early out for the team on a longer term deal. But at this point I wouldn't fixate on him as a long term solution at RT and just hand him starter money.
"Really ...."
- Dan Snyder.
get rid of eli contract
draft haskins or murray at 6 and lets turn the page and get this moving upward
There is the elephant in the room that nobody seems to mention Eli next year at 23 million is crazy. Haskins with our players on offense is like a dream come true.. Then the Giants will have plenty of cap space for the OL and Defense .. it makes perfect sense
A cheaper option to Williams may be Cam Fleming from Dallas. He played Right Tackle in New England a couple years ago, backed up Smith in Dallas this year. He is more of a RT and played better there.
It was incredible how he kept starting on our O-line after his second year...incredibly bad.
I want to build a relatively young & healthy line that can evolve into a sturdy, physical unit that is capable of both holding it's ground and getting real movement up front. I am also hoping for a focus on turning fringe players like Elijah Penny & Scott Simonson into a real part of the blocking schemes. Carthon & Bavaro, etc... used to sit in on Offensive Line meetings. I want us to become a tough team again that imposes it's will on the defense and makes them quit. We have the skill position guys to be seriously dangerous with Eli and in the future with his eventual replacement.
I would sign the best RT we can get. At Center I would go with Halapio, Evan Brown, and whatever else we add in the draft or the 2nd wave of FA. I feel good about Shurmur's take on Centers. I would bring Jamon Brown back as well. We don't want to have to fix what isn't broken again after letting Fluker walk.
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at a good OL that was picked in the 4th round in 2015 coming off his rookie contract.
In fact, make this our marquee signing by using up all our money.
Great way to rebuild a roster...
I hear what you are saying and generally agree. But where the player was drafted seems inconsequential to me.
I’d rather use cap dollars on a proven edge rusher like Dee Ford. I’m not sure he gets out of KC, but I think he’d be worth the chase up to a point. And Sutton runs a 3-4.
Dee Ford has only had one really good year and you’re gonna have to pay him Vernon money at a minimum.
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at a good OL that was picked in the 4th round in 2015 coming off his rookie contract.
In fact, make this our marquee signing by using up all our money.
Great way to rebuild a roster...
I hear what you are saying and generally agree. But where the player was drafted seems inconsequential to me.
I’d rather use cap dollars on a proven edge rusher like Dee Ford. I’m not sure he gets out of KC, but I think he’d be worth the chase up to a point. And Sutton runs a 3-4.
Dee Ford has only had one really good year and you’re gonna have to pay him Vernon money at a minimum.
Wait, why would he get Vernon money if he’s only had one good year?
Plaxico Burress
Antonio Pierce
Kareem McKenzie (A RT, btw)
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at a good OL that was picked in the 4th round in 2015 coming off his rookie contract.
In fact, make this our marquee signing by using up all our money.
Great way to rebuild a roster...
I hear what you are saying and generally agree. But where the player was drafted seems inconsequential to me.
I’d rather use cap dollars on a proven edge rusher like Dee Ford. I’m not sure he gets out of KC, but I think he’d be worth the chase up to a point. And Sutton runs a 3-4.
Dee Ford has only had one really good year and you’re gonna have to pay him Vernon money at a minimum.
Wait, why would he get Vernon money if he’s only had one good year?
Because someone will pay it.
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at a good OL that was picked in the 4th round in 2015 coming off his rookie contract.
In fact, make this our marquee signing by using up all our money.
Great way to rebuild a roster...
I hear what you are saying and generally agree. But where the player was drafted seems inconsequential to me.
I’d rather use cap dollars on a proven edge rusher like Dee Ford. I’m not sure he gets out of KC, but I think he’d be worth the chase up to a point. And Sutton runs a 3-4.
Dee Ford has only had one really good year and you’re gonna have to pay him Vernon money at a minimum.
Wait, why would he get Vernon money if he’s only had one good year?
Because someone will pay it.
Not for one good year they won’t. But he’s had more than one good year so he might...
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at a good OL that was picked in the 4th round in 2015 coming off his rookie contract.
In fact, make this our marquee signing by using up all our money.
Great way to rebuild a roster...
I hear what you are saying and generally agree. But where the player was drafted seems inconsequential to me.
I’d rather use cap dollars on a proven edge rusher like Dee Ford. I’m not sure he gets out of KC, but I think he’d be worth the chase up to a point. And Sutton runs a 3-4.
Dee Ford has only had one really good year and you’re gonna have to pay him Vernon money at a minimum.
Wait, why would he get Vernon money if he’s only had one good year?
Because someone will pay it.
Not for one good year they won’t. But he’s had more than one good year so he might...
What good years has he had? He’s been a disappointment until this year.
Vernon only really had one good year when we gave him that money. Pass rushers get paid.
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at a good OL that was picked in the 4th round in 2015 coming off his rookie contract.
In fact, make this our marquee signing by using up all our money.
Great way to rebuild a roster...
I hear what you are saying and generally agree. But where the player was drafted seems inconsequential to me.
I’d rather use cap dollars on a proven edge rusher like Dee Ford. I’m not sure he gets out of KC, but I think he’d be worth the chase up to a point. And Sutton runs a 3-4.
Dee Ford has only had one really good year and you’re gonna have to pay him Vernon money at a minimum.
Wait, why would he get Vernon money if he’s only had one good year?
Because someone will pay it.
Not for one good year they won’t. But he’s had more than one good year so he might...
What good years has he had? He’s been a disappointment until this year.
He had 10 sacks two years ago. That’s double digit sacks in two of the last three years with an injury mixed in. He’s showing what he’s cable of this year and in this game. He will deservedly get paid well..
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at a good OL that was picked in the 4th round in 2015 coming off his rookie contract.
In fact, make this our marquee signing by using up all our money.
Great way to rebuild a roster...
I hear what you are saying and generally agree. But where the player was drafted seems inconsequential to me.
I’d rather use cap dollars on a proven edge rusher like Dee Ford. I’m not sure he gets out of KC, but I think he’d be worth the chase up to a point. And Sutton runs a 3-4.
Dee Ford has only had one really good year and you’re gonna have to pay him Vernon money at a minimum.
Wait, why would he get Vernon money if he’s only had one good year?
Because someone will pay it.
Not for one good year they won’t. But he’s had more than one good year so he might...
What good years has he had? He’s been a disappointment until this year.
He had 10 sacks two years ago. That’s double digit sacks in two of the last three years with an injury mixed in. He’s showing what he’s cable of this year and in this game. He will deservedly get paid well..
Yawn.
He’s played like an elite pass rusher this year. That’s why he will get paid. You make it seem like he’s been Von Miller the last 5 years.
I’d rather some other team make that 20 mil a year gamble.
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at a good OL that was picked in the 4th round in 2015 coming off his rookie contract.
In fact, make this our marquee signing by using up all our money.
Great way to rebuild a roster...
I hear what you are saying and generally agree. But where the player was drafted seems inconsequential to me.
I’d rather use cap dollars on a proven edge rusher like Dee Ford. I’m not sure he gets out of KC, but I think he’d be worth the chase up to a point. And Sutton runs a 3-4.
Dee Ford has only had one really good year and you’re gonna have to pay him Vernon money at a minimum.
Wait, why would he get Vernon money if he’s only had one good year?
Because someone will pay it.
Not for one good year they won’t. But he’s had more than one good year so he might...
What good years has he had? He’s been a disappointment until this year.
He had 10 sacks two years ago. That’s double digit sacks in two of the last three years with an injury mixed in. He’s showing what he’s cable of this year and in this game. He will deservedly get paid well..
Yawn.
He’s played like an elite pass rusher this year. That’s why he will get paid. You make it seem like he’s been Von Miller the last 5 years.
I’d rather some other team make that 20 mil a year gamble.
Yawn, he won’t get close to that.
I want to build a relatively young & healthy line that can evolve into a sturdy, physical unit...
I would sign the best RT we can get. At Center I would go with Halapio, Evan Brown, and whatever else we add in the draft or the 2nd wave of FA. I feel good about Shurmur's take on Centers. I would bring Jamon Brown back as well. We don't want to have to fix what isn't broken again after letting Fluker walk.
This. Williams isn't the only fish in the sea... Even if it's more like a pond of + talent, we can easily upgrade from Wheeler and at OC. I'm in to keep Brown if it's a prove it deal.
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at a good OL that was picked in the 4th round in 2015 coming off his rookie contract.
In fact, make this our marquee signing by using up all our money.
Great way to rebuild a roster...
I hear what you are saying and generally agree. But where the player was drafted seems inconsequential to me.
I’d rather use cap dollars on a proven edge rusher like Dee Ford. I’m not sure he gets out of KC, but I think he’d be worth the chase up to a point. And Sutton runs a 3-4.
Dee Ford has only had one really good year and you’re gonna have to pay him Vernon money at a minimum.
Wait, why would he get Vernon money if he’s only had one good year?
Because someone will pay it.
Not for one good year they won’t. But he’s had more than one good year so he might...
What good years has he had? He’s been a disappointment until this year.
He had 10 sacks two years ago. That’s double digit sacks in two of the last three years with an injury mixed in. He’s showing what he’s cable of this year and in this game. He will deservedly get paid well..
Yawn.
He’s played like an elite pass rusher this year. That’s why he will get paid. You make it seem like he’s been Von Miller the last 5 years.
I’d rather some other team make that 20 mil a year gamble.
Yawn, he won’t get close to that.
He will average at least 17 and the highest paid RT right now averages 11.
Mack averages 23.5. Miller averages 19. Ansah, Vernon, etc avg 17.
Let another team take that risk.
If James becomes available, l could imagine either he or Williams at RT. Probably depends on the price tag.
Has Williams been more consistent than James recently?
He's better than a majority of the guys out there and his podcast is great. Have you read anything or listened to anything from the nj.com guys? It's fucking attrocious.
He’s one of the few reporters out there I pay attention to