Schneier: Why the Giants will sign OT Daryl Williams in FA

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we were going to sign Andrew Norwell from the Panthers, A DG find

Would make the draft quite easy in terms of 1) do they love a qb or 2) play to strength of draft which is defense

They almost have to get an OT in FA. They can’t risk hoping one who is ready to start will be there in the draft and they can’t have Wheeler again. It’s easily the most important position to upgrade on the team.

We have around 30 mil in cap space

The giants just dumped two big contracts from the defense and that’s not even counting Apple. They also moved on from DRC. They aren’t signing one big FA for the offense and virtually ignoring the defense until the draft.

but Williams also has a say in where he signs. Things don't always go the way we want them

Last year.

coming back from torn MCL and dislocated knee cap. He is 26 so he might provide years of good football.

Unfortunately for the Giants there are plenty of teams flush with cash. And the players the Giants can cut to make more room, aren't positions with any depth or options.

I won't expect them to be big players in the first wave of free agency, especially given the number of holes on the roster.

In comment 14259290 cokeduplt said:

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We have around 30 mil in cap space

OTC says 31.6 with Stewart and Barwin still on the roster.

at a good OL that was picked in the 4th round in 2015 coming off his rookie contract.

In fact, make this our marquee signing by using up all our money.

Great way to rebuild a roster...

at the high point of their market value...

Is that’s pretty much all anyone can get anymore. There are too many teams with money and too few FA. Our 30+m puts us near the bottom third of the league.

In comment 14259302 christian said:

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Unfortunately for the Giants there are plenty of teams flush with cash. And the players the Giants can cut to make more room, aren't positions with any depth or options. I won't expect them to be big players in the first wave of free agency, especially given the number of holes on the roster.

This whole cap space discussion is a little too cut and dried. A lot of teams have ample space, including the giants, but a lot of those teams have a lot of their own players to re-sign. I think we’re losing sight of what DG did the last year here. He CUT or traded a bunch of highly paid veteran defenders here. And he speaks as if there’s a timeline and premium on winning asap.

DG blew the doors and windows and ceiling off of this defense. There is literally no veteran talent worth a shit here save for Collins and Jenkins and Ogletree and Vernon. One guy that gets after the qb. One. They changed the entire defense and have basically added one veteran player to the unit. One.

There’s no way DG pitched a plan to Mara and Eli that says ok we’re gonna cut 3-4 established vets on defense and replace them with filler or 2nd level free agents.

There has to be a big move or two defensively up DGs sleeve.

In comment 14259309 BillT said:

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Is that’s pretty much all anyone can get anymore. There are too many teams with money and too few FA. Our 30+m puts us near the bottom third of the league.

Bottom 3rd of the league, with next to no one to re-sign save for Collins.

There is room.

In comment 14259309 BillT said:

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Is that’s pretty much all anyone can get anymore. There are too many teams with money and too few FA. Our 30+m puts us near the bottom third of the league.

Spot on -- and when you look across the uncommitted salary over the next 2 years, there are like 8 teams right around 200M in cap space.

The latest CBA is working, guys going into their 2nd contracts are getting paid. The Giants have 3 of those guys right now; OBJ, Vernon, and Jenkins.

What's also rough is what Solder is getting paid at his age and the 20M on paper for Ogletree, Martin, and Barwin and LB is a massive hole.

In comment 14259313 djm said:

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In comment 14259309 BillT said: Quote: Is that’s pretty much all anyone can get anymore. There are too many teams with money and too few FA. Our 30+m puts us near the bottom third of the league. Bottom 3rd of the league, with next to no one to re-sign save for Collins. There is room.

You should really take a look at the cap situation over the next 2 years for teams like the Colts, Raiders, Bills, Browns, and Jets.

These are teams with about double the amount of money to spend over this period than the Giants, and who are going to be very active in free agency.

Can the Giants make room? Sure, they will most certainly cut Stewart, Barwin, and potentially Ellison. Maybe they cut Vernon or Jenkins.

But that's a lot holes on a 5-11 team going into next year.

the best bet is a FA RT, maybe even a FA C too. The idea being to land some defensive players early in the draft. If pick #6 is a great young ER, that would be fantastic.

and nothing improves, yet pay more again for less return. When is this team going to learn to build an oline that will support the future. We should change our name to the NY Potholes.

Luckily for the Giants, for the reasons mentioned, Williams is a quality player that should hit the market. He also happens to be at one of our biggest positions of need. Matt Paradis is another, but it's a little more up in the air on whether he hits the market. I think the edge rusher market will be bloated, OL is shaping up to be the better FA play.

In comment 14259308 Jimmy Googs said:

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at the high point of their market value...

This, in itself, is a utterly false statement.

There are a ton of parameters you would have to add to that....

In comment 14259351 mdc1 said:

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and nothing improves, yet pay more again for less return. When is this team going to learn to build an oline that will support the future. We should change our name to the NY Potholes.

Assuming he’s healthy and good to go, isn’t a 26 year-old part of building towards the future?

You know what I meant...

In comment 14259360 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 14259351 mdc1 said: Quote: and nothing improves, yet pay more again for less return. When is this team going to learn to build an oline that will support the future. We should change our name to the NY Potholes. Assuming he’s healthy and good to go, isn’t a 26 year-old part of building towards the future?

In healthy circumstances I would agree, but with knee surgery in mid-September, I don't love handing out a big multi-year deal without seeing how he gets back on the field.

In comment 14259381 christian said:

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In comment 14259360 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: In comment 14259351 mdc1 said: Quote: and nothing improves, yet pay more again for less return. When is this team going to learn to build an oline that will support the future. We should change our name to the NY Potholes. Assuming he’s healthy and good to go, isn’t a 26 year-old part of building towards the future? In healthy circumstances I would agree, but with knee surgery in mid-September, I don't love handing out a big multi-year deal without seeing how he gets back on the field.

True, but at least it was an MCL, which is, in many cases, much easier to come back from

In comment 14259313 djm said:

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In comment 14259309 BillT said: Quote: Is that’s pretty much all anyone can get anymore. There are too many teams with money and too few FA. Our 30+m puts us near the bottom third of the league. Bottom 3rd of the league, with next to no one to re-sign scave for Collins. There is room.

Yes. There is room for Collins and one top FA. That is if there is a top FA available after all the other teams make their offers. There are at least 20 teams who have the room if not more than that.

Why the Giants will "Target" OT Daryl Williams in FA.

All the rest applies.

This is too early to predict how much cap space we have. If I had to guess by the time DG is done we will have between 40 to 45 million in cap space between cuts and redoing of contracts.

Also some of those teams ahead of us may have more cap space but they also have some of their own FAs they may need to resign which will eat cap space.

I still think a key to this offseason is resigning Brown and looking for an upgrade at center.

Great pickup if it happens

the Giants wanted last year?
The Jags signed him to add to a good line and their star RB couldn't run the ball.

In comment 14259345 mrvax said:

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the best bet is a FA RT, maybe even a FA C too. The idea being to land some defensive players early in the draft. If pick #6 is a great young ER, that would be fantastic.

I think most of us didn't really see it, but they seem to like Halapio at center. I'm sure they'll consider upgrades everywhere, but i have a feeling they don't spend on a FA center.

If that's how it plays out, I hope they're right - Pulley tried his best but was pretty bad once he took over.

Aside from Richburg's second season when he was mostly healthy, center has been a weakness of our OL since O'Hara

In comment 14259308 Jimmy Googs said:

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at the high point of their market value...

Well that’s not true AT ALL. Neither in general OR in this case.

In comment 14259442 mfsd said:

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In comment 14259345 mrvax said: Quote: the best bet is a FA RT, maybe even a FA C too. The idea being to land some defensive players early in the draft. If pick #6 is a great young ER, that would be fantastic. I think most of us didn't really see it, but they seem to like Halapio at center. I'm sure they'll consider upgrades everywhere, but i have a feeling they don't spend on a FA center. If that's how it plays out, I hope they're right - Pulley tried his best but was pretty bad once he took over. Aside from Richburg's second season when he was mostly healthy, center has been a weakness of our OL since O'Hara

Actually, Baas played well until he got hurt. I also project DG will find a steal of a C in the draft or UDFA

he's 26 and was all pro last year. Only concern is his knee which I hope lowers the price tag a bit. This has less of a Solder signing feel to it and more of the time we signed McKenzie.

In comment 14259458 Banks said:

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he's 26 and was all pro last year. Only concern is his knee which I hope lowers the price tag a bit. This has less of a Solder signing feel to it and more of the time we signed McKenzie.

Agree. McKenzie was around 25 or 26?

In comment 14259457 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 14259442 mfsd said: Quote: In comment 14259345 mrvax said: Quote: the best bet is a FA RT, maybe even a FA C too. The idea being to land some defensive players early in the draft. If pick #6 is a great young ER, that would be fantastic. I think most of us didn't really see it, but they seem to like Halapio at center. I'm sure they'll consider upgrades everywhere, but i have a feeling they don't spend on a FA center. If that's how it plays out, I hope they're right - Pulley tried his best but was pretty bad once he took over. Aside from Richburg's second season when he was mostly healthy, center has been a weakness of our OL since O'Hara Actually, Baas played well until he got hurt. I also project DG will find a steal of a C in the draft or UDFA

Yup you’re on point - Baas getting healthy and playing well down the stretch in 2011 was a big part of that SB run

In comment 14259460 Big Blue '56 said:

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Agree. McKenzie was around 25 or 26?

Yup, I think he turned 26 shortly before the season. I think he was vastly underrated and should have seen a couple pro bowls imo. It's wishful thinking, but if we land Williams and grab a top center in the draft this line may be solid next year.

sign williams.

get rid of eli contract

draft haskins or murray at 6 and lets turn the page and get this moving upward

In comment 14259305 Jimmy Googs said:

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at a good OL that was picked in the 4th round in 2015 coming off his rookie contract. In fact, make this our marquee signing by using up all our money. Great way to rebuild a roster...

I hear what you are saying and generally agree. But where the player was drafted seems inconsequential to me.

I’d rather use cap dollars on a proven edge rusher like Dee Ford. I’m not sure he gets out of KC, but I think he’d be worth the chase up to a point. And Sutton runs a 3-4.

Fits with defense centric drafting, good.

That said, rather sign a center if it's a choice thing.

And do believe that one great piece > two middling ones in this particular instance at OL here now.

In comment 14259501 bw in dc said:

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In comment 14259305 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: at a good OL that was picked in the 4th round in 2015 coming off his rookie contract. In fact, make this our marquee signing by using up all our money. Great way to rebuild a roster... I hear what you are saying and generally agree. But where the player was drafted seems inconsequential to me. I’d rather use cap dollars on a proven edge rusher like Dee Ford. I’m not sure he gets out of KC, but I think he’d be worth the chase up to a point. And Sutton runs a 3-4.

My point was being ironic...would rather find the good OT with OUR 4th round and then figure out how to fit him under the cap with his second contract.

..Carolina tried to extend him last offseason and they ended miles apart on $.

I'd also be leery without knowing which way this offense is going. Not sure he'd be the same player in an offense that throws it 35-40 times a game vs what they did in Carolina's run heavy scheme that plays more to his strengths (he was widely projected as having to move inside to G at the NFL level) and where their leading rusher that year was the QB. Couple that with coming off a season with multiple knee incidents that eventually landed him on IR.

I think he's one that you try for a prove-it year or bake in an early out for the team on a longer term deal. But at this point I wouldn't fixate on him as a long term solution at RT and just hand him starter money.

In comment 14259308 Jimmy Googs said:

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at the high point of their market value...

"Really ...."



- Dan Snyder.

In comment 14259489 BleedBlue said:

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sign williams. get rid of eli contract draft haskins or murray at 6 and lets turn the page and get this moving upward

There is the elephant in the room that nobody seems to mention Eli next year at 23 million is crazy. Haskins with our players on offense is like a dream come true.. Then the Giants will have plenty of cap space for the OL and Defense .. it makes perfect sense

He's not a real beat writer...

I am hopeful he is re-signed prior to the beginning of free agency. It is supposed to be a deep Center draft so the 4th round might be the best place to select one or trade a couple of 4th round picks to move up into round 3 if the value is there.

A cheaper option to Williams may be Cam Fleming from Dallas. He played Right Tackle in New England a couple years ago, backed up Smith in Dallas this year. He is more of a RT and played better there.

but having that moron Flowers start anywhere on that line when the season began was a fatal flaw. Remember the first qtr against the Jags in Game 1...he was a trainwreck from the get go.

It was incredible how he kept starting on our O-line after his second year...incredibly bad.

Juan James & Seantrel Henderson are 27, Cameron Flemming is 26. There are others who might be better options than Daryl Williams. We don't even know if he's healthy going forward. The last thing I want is another David Baas or Geoff Schwartz where we waste big money on a guy who cannot stay healthy. We drafted enough of those under Reese with Pugh & Richburg.

I want to build a relatively young & healthy line that can evolve into a sturdy, physical unit that is capable of both holding it's ground and getting real movement up front. I am also hoping for a focus on turning fringe players like Elijah Penny & Scott Simonson into a real part of the blocking schemes. Carthon & Bavaro, etc... used to sit in on Offensive Line meetings. I want us to become a tough team again that imposes it's will on the defense and makes them quit. We have the skill position guys to be seriously dangerous with Eli and in the future with his eventual replacement.

I would sign the best RT we can get. At Center I would go with Halapio, Evan Brown, and whatever else we add in the draft or the 2nd wave of FA. I feel good about Shurmur's take on Centers. I would bring Jamon Brown back as well. We don't want to have to fix what isn't broken again after letting Fluker walk.