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Anybody else think Luck was awful?

KingBlue : 1/13/2019 7:52 am
Patrick Mahomes was great. The Chiefs were and are superior. I thought the Chiefs defense really stepped up and played better than they had all year. All that said... I thought Luck played poorly yesterday. It wasn't mentioned on the broadcast, so maybe I'm just being too critical. He seemed off and didn't get any criticism on the broadcast or even in the print media this morning as far as I can tell.

Rate the QB play from yesterday:

Mahomes, Goff, Dak... and a distant 4th... Luck.
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arcarsenal : 1/13/2019 10:45 am : link
I can't believe how many people are dumping on Luck. He had a fantastic season - he should be a lock for comeback player of the year. Guy hadn't played in 2 years and was asked to throw the football about 650 times this year - 2nd to only Roethlisberger.

He probably started to wear down a bit and he hadn't played a cold weather game in a long time.

He wasn't "awful" at all - Mahomes didn't do much more than he did. The difference is that the Colts defense couldn't stop Damien Williams or figure out how to cover Travis Kelce and Tyreek Hill.

Luck also was victimized by several drops. Ebron had a shot at that ball in the endzone before half. Another gimmie TD was dropped near the end of the game and Hilton had one or two drops that could have been caught.

Off day - big deal. Guy is a great QB and I'd kill to have him.
Luck clearly had some arm fatigue going on  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/13/2019 10:46 am : link
His unbelievable accuracy was covering it up, but it's really tough to throw guys open without a strong arm Rivers excluded.
RE: RE: Yea he sucked yesterday  
arcarsenal : 1/13/2019 10:50 am : link
In comment 14260580 UConn4523 said:
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Regardless of the excuses the Luck fanboys make.

He looked worse than Peyton Manning Denver Broncos edition.



You sound so dumb, consistently. You provide nothing at all, you say a guy sucks and I guess that’s it. I am an admitted Luck fan but it isn’t irrational, he’s really good player who should be even better next year.

So if thinking he’s one of the top QBs in the league makes me a fan boy, so he. It’s better than sounding like an uneducated moron.


Yeah, bizarre, baseless arguments. Nothing but hyperbolic bullshit. Terrible poster.

By the way...

"Peyton Manning Denver Broncos Edition" (sounds like a Matchbox car or something...) was pretty fucking good for the majority of his time there. 3 of his 4 seasons as a Bronco were fantastic. So, you might want to re-think that critique.

And if the insinuation was that Luck looked like the version that threw 9 TD's and got picked off 17 times as a passenger on a defense-centric football team in his final season, that might be an even worse take.

Brutal.
He's a great player but they couldn't run the ball at all yest...  
JCin332 : 1/13/2019 10:51 am : link
thus showing that in order to win especially in the playoffs you have to be able to run the ball...
And of course  
WillVAB : 1/13/2019 10:54 am : link
The President and Vice President of the Luck fan club chime in to defend his honor.
RE: RE: RE: I like Luck. Would certainly not mind having him here.  
UConn4523 : 1/13/2019 10:55 am : link
In comment 14260604 Big Blue '56 said:
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That said, WHEN has he come up big when it counted?



Define “when it counted”. All of his playoff losses were on the road in cold weather, against teams that were better, including the Pats x2. I’d have to look it up but the Colts were probably never favored in any of his playoff losses. And his first 3 trips to the playoffs he took a team that had no business going and actually had some success.



Clutch QBs win on the road in the playoffs, inclement weather included. Eli, Rodgers, Brady, Ben and so on..The excuses for Luck are selective. The Giants certainly had no “business” going.


I don’t disagree but there’s still more to it. Did the Colts pass rush show up like the Giants? Did the Colts WRs show up like Nicks/Plax?

Context is huge, and I don’t think Luck has ever had the players to get over the jump like other road underdogs.
RE: He wasn't good  
djm : 1/13/2019 10:57 am : link
In comment 14260483 Sy'56 said:
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And that was their first game in bad weather, his in particular, in a really long time. Years.

He also has the worst group of pass-catchers among playoff teams.


Funny after a few minutes I knew my colts pick was way off based on the colts passing game, notably the receivers themselves. You just knew early on the colts had no chance in this game. The colts fixed the ol and D but they were still basically a one man show for most of the season and it came back to bite them yesterday,
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Ash_3 : 1/13/2019 11:00 am : link
In comment 14260612 arcarsenal said:
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I can't believe how many people are dumping on Luck. He had a fantastic season - he should be a lock for comeback player of the year. Guy hadn't played in 2 years and was asked to throw the football about 650 times this year - 2nd to only Roethlisberger.

He probably started to wear down a bit and he hadn't played a cold weather game in a long time.

He wasn't "awful" at all - Mahomes didn't do much more than he did. The difference is that the Colts defense couldn't stop Damien Williams or figure out how to cover Travis Kelce and Tyreek Hill.

Luck also was victimized by several drops. Ebron had a shot at that ball in the endzone before half. Another gimmie TD was dropped near the end of the game and Hilton had one or two drops that could have been caught.

Off day - big deal. Guy is a great QB and I'd kill to have him.


It's hilarious. People have a really hard time grasping the concept of sample size.
Luck was very poor...  
bw in dc : 1/13/2019 11:02 am : link
it happens. The 0 for 9 on third down was historically bad.

Give KC credit to a degree, but Luck has to deliver more. That’s his job.

I really like him. I think it’s great he’s back. So I will focus on the entirety of the season when thinking about his year.

But, again, he didn’t deliver yesterday and deserves blame.
Colts were a middling team  
Bluesbreaker : 1/13/2019 11:07 am : link
That came into the game banged up . Luck is an excellent
QB that needs a few more pieces and some help on the
O-line . He had an off game and no run game to keep
the pressure off . Question is if he is damaged goods
from the injuries . KC is a well coached team with plenty
of talent in the secondary .When your playing with onr
arm tied behind your back No run game and piss poor pass
protection playing in Arrowhead tough place to win period .
RE: And of course  
arcarsenal : 1/13/2019 11:08 am : link
In comment 14260629 WillVAB said:
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The President and Vice President of the Luck fan club chime in to defend his honor.


The first convincing football point you make will be the first.

Criticizing a guy for having a "shitty rotator cuff," calling people fanboys, and utilizing gross hyperbole as an argument tactic isn't how you do it.
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arcarsenal : 1/13/2019 11:08 am : link
*the next will be the first.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I like Luck. Would certainly not mind having him here.  
Big Blue '56 : 1/13/2019 11:16 am : link
In comment 14260634 UConn4523 said:
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That said, WHEN has he come up big when it counted?



Define “when it counted”. All of his playoff losses were on the road in cold weather, against teams that were better, including the Pats x2. I’d have to look it up but the Colts were probably never favored in any of his playoff losses. And his first 3 trips to the playoffs he took a team that had no business going and actually had some success.



Clutch QBs win on the road in the playoffs, inclement weather included. Eli, Rodgers, Brady, Ben and so on..The excuses for Luck are selective. The Giants certainly had no “business” going.



I don’t disagree but there’s still more to it. Did the Colts pass rush show up like the Giants? Did the Colts WRs show up like Nicks/Plax?

Context is huge, and I don’t think Luck has ever had the players to get over the jump like other road underdogs.


Understood. Just answering your question about how I define clutch or coming up big
RE: I like Luck. Would certainly not mind having him here.  
arcarsenal : 1/13/2019 11:26 am : link
In comment 14260547 Big Blue '56 said:
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That said, WHEN has he come up big when it counted?


The comeback against KC in the playoffs in 2013 was pretty impressive. They were down 38-10 and won 45-44. He threw for 443 yards and 4 TD's that day. I'd say that's coming up big when it counts, no?

Look - one year ago, there was serious question as to whether or not Andrew Luck was ever even going to play football again. He not only played this year - but he threw nearly 40 TD passes, threw for 4500 yards, posted the best completion percentage of his career and had a season that was pretty much on par with the best one in his career to date (2014).

What he did this year was pretty damn good all things considered.
RE: RE: I like Luck. Would certainly not mind having him here.  
Big Blue '56 : 1/13/2019 11:41 am : link
In comment 14260680 arcarsenal said:
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That said, WHEN has he come up big when it counted?



The comeback against KC in the playoffs in 2013 was pretty impressive. They were down 38-10 and won 45-44. He threw for 443 yards and 4 TD's that day. I'd say that's coming up big when it counts, no?

Look - one year ago, there was serious question as to whether or not Andrew Luck was ever even going to play football again. He not only played this year - but he threw nearly 40 TD passes, threw for 4500 yards, posted the best completion percentage of his career and had a season that was pretty much on par with the best one in his career to date (2014).

What he did this year was pretty damn good all things considered.


Yes, that was big
Was surprised at the lack of arm strength  
giant24 : 1/13/2019 11:45 am : link
Seemed like he was lobbing the ball into his receivers similar to Peyton Manning the last few years of his career.
RE: Was surprised at the lack of arm strength  
bw in dc : 1/13/2019 11:48 am : link
In comment 14260698 giant24 said:
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Seemed like he was lobbing the ball into his receivers similar to Peyton Manning the last few years of his career.


His motion has changed - I agree. It looks like he gets to these moments where he is pushing/guiding the ball, not ripping through it. But I think he just needs more time. He's been through an extensive rehab/ My guess is he'll have more fluidity next year. But it's an interesting observation nonetheless...
A full offseason not nursing the injury  
UConn4523 : 1/13/2019 11:50 am : link
will be huge. And that cold weather didn’t help his shoulder. Crazy to think he can improve on what he did this season.
To the OP...  
bw in dc : 1/13/2019 11:50 am : link
Chiefs were sort of a Jekyll and Hyde this year with their D. They were ungodly bad on the road but pretty solid at home. So what we saw yesterday was a combination of being at home and having an advantage with the elements.
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MetsAreBack : 1/13/2019 11:57 am : link
In comment 14260604 Big Blue '56 said:
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That said, WHEN has he come up big when it counted?



Define “when it counted”. All of his playoff losses were on the road in cold weather, against teams that were better, including the Pats x2. I’d have to look it up but the Colts were probably never favored in any of his playoff losses. And his first 3 trips to the playoffs he took a team that had no business going and actually had some success.



Clutch QBs win on the road in the playoffs, inclement weather included. Eli, Rodgers, Brady, Ben and so on..The excuses for Luck are selective. The Giants certainly had no “business” going.


He won in Denver, which was the two seed that year - I believe it was snowing or at least the conditions were poor, the year of deflategate.

And he won in Houston last week too.
He was throwing ducks  
AcesUp : 1/13/2019 12:00 pm : link
It looked like he was pushing the ball, he really wasn't the same QB. I wonder if the cold was affecting his shoulder.
RE: He was throwing ducks  
UConn4523 : 1/13/2019 12:03 pm : link
In comment 14260723 AcesUp said:
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It looked like he was pushing the ball, he really wasn't the same QB. I wonder if the cold was affecting his shoulder.


It had to, he didn’t look like this last week.
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AcesUp : 1/13/2019 12:13 pm : link
In comment 14260728 UConn4523 said:
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It looked like he was pushing the ball, he really wasn't the same QB. I wonder if the cold was affecting his shoulder.



It had to, he didn’t look like this last week.


Or throughout the season. He was a completely different QB and that was a completely different ball he was throwing. I was kind of surprised that they weren't mentioning it during the broadcast.
On further thought, I would like to retract my thoughts  
Big Blue '56 : 1/13/2019 12:26 pm : link
on Luck and my assertion he lacks clutch.

Probably thinking more about Rivers than Luck..🙂😊
KC  
Simms : 1/13/2019 12:43 pm : link
Played better. Luck could have ran more in an attempt to jump start others areas per the crew in the box. Dunno if it would have made a difference. The missed FG and XP would have things closer for sure.
Luck was horrible  
GeorgeAdams33 : 1/13/2019 1:03 pm : link
People complain about Eli but he's never looked THAT bad. In fact, I wouldn't take Luck off their hands in a straight up swap for Eli right now today. He was pathetic.
What’s with you guys and blaming the QB?  
Giant John : 1/13/2019 2:03 pm : link
Whole team sucked. Hard to soar with the eagles when you're surrounded by chickens. KC was on their game.
RE: Luck was horrible  
arcarsenal : 1/13/2019 2:04 pm : link
In comment 14260799 GeorgeAdams33 said:
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People complain about Eli but he's never looked THAT bad. In fact, I wouldn't take Luck off their hands in a straight up swap for Eli right now today. He was pathetic.


You're right, Eli has never looked that bad.

He's looked worse - on many occasions.
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arcarsenal : 1/13/2019 2:05 pm : link
The part where you wouldn't even trade Eli for Luck right now is hilarious.

Some of the people here are just so beyond clueless. It blows my fucking mind.
RE: RE: Luck was horrible  
rsjem1979 : 1/13/2019 2:16 pm : link
In comment 14260960 arcarsenal said:
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People complain about Eli but he's never looked THAT bad. In fact, I wouldn't take Luck off their hands in a straight up swap for Eli right now today. He was pathetic.



You're right, Eli has never looked that bad.

He's looked worse - on many occasions.


Selective amnesia. Eli played 2 hideous playoff games, both at home - against Carolina in 2006 and the Eagles in 2008.

Less than 300 yards TOTAL, ZERO TDs and 5 INTs combined.

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arcarsenal : 1/13/2019 2:25 pm : link
In comment 14261001 rsjem1979 said:
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People complain about Eli but he's never looked THAT bad. In fact, I wouldn't take Luck off their hands in a straight up swap for Eli right now today. He was pathetic.



You're right, Eli has never looked that bad.

He's looked worse - on many occasions.



Selective amnesia. Eli played 2 hideous playoff games, both at home - against Carolina in 2006 and the Eagles in 2008.

Less than 300 yards TOTAL, ZERO TDs and 5 INTs combined.


Eli had a worse game than Luck had yesterday as recently as like one month ago against Tennessee.

Just a mind blowing comment.

You'd think Luck turned the ball over 4 times reading this nonsense.
Fuckin’ slander if you ask me  
jeff57 : 1/13/2019 2:28 pm : link
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What's hilarious  
GeorgeAdams33 : 1/13/2019 2:34 pm : link
Is the meltdown by the Eli haters. Go pound sand. Bunch of ingrates. Eli has earned his respect but most of you are just lowlifes.
RE: What's hilarious  
arcarsenal : 1/13/2019 2:38 pm : link
In comment 14261054 GeorgeAdams33 said:
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Is the meltdown by the Eli haters. Go pound sand. Bunch of ingrates. Eli has earned his respect but most of you are just lowlifes.


Yep, you got me - I'm a registered Eli "hater" and a lowlife because I called out your horseshit post.

I figure you'd maybe counter with a football point if there were any - but since there aren't and your comment was that ridiculous, you're predictably resorting to name calling.

The idea that you'd take Eli Manning over Andrew Luck in 2019 either tells me you're a troll or simply don't understand anything about football.

Instead of telling me I hate Eli or telling me I should go pound sand, maybe you should try to back up your argument with something of substance.

(You won't because it's not an argument that can be made right now. No NFL GM would agree with you. Not one.)
Some absolutely asinine comments here.  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/13/2019 2:42 pm : link
Eli better than Luck. Fucking heard it all now. Guy had some arm fatigue clearly, even with that said he played ok just not up tomhis standard.
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santacruzom : 1/13/2019 2:44 pm : link
In comment 14260504 KingBlue said:
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Doesn’t make the playoffs...



Wow, really? Mahomes is incapable of leading Colts to the playoffs?


Well that's the luxury of relying entirely upon a hypothetical to forward an argument: you can't disprove him.

You can only counter with another hypothetical: if Mahomes were the QB of the Giants, they'd still be playing.
RE: Some absolutely asinine comments here.  
GeorgeAdams33 : 1/13/2019 2:53 pm : link
In comment 14261076 Zeke's Alibi said:
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Eli better than Luck. Fucking heard it all now. Guy had some arm fatigue clearly, even with that said he played ok just not up tomhis standard.


You can go gargle mayonnaise. Luck will never win a ring. Eli has proven that he gets the job done when given the chance. Look at the last playoff game 2016 in Green Bay where he was the only Giant to show up. You idiots go on thinking what you want. Eli has the rings. Luck is garbage.
arc  
GeorgeAdams33 : 1/13/2019 2:54 pm : link
You are absolute trash
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arcarsenal : 1/13/2019 2:57 pm : link
In comment 14261092 GeorgeAdams33 said:
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You are absolute trash


So are your football posts.
It's okay, little crybaby  
GeorgeAdams33 : 1/13/2019 3:16 pm : link
"WHAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!! You don't know anything about football." LOL Give me a break you pathetic fucking loser. Go get yourself a pacifier.
RE: It's okay, little crybaby  
Mr. Bungle : 1/13/2019 3:42 pm : link
In comment 14261132 GeorgeAdams33 said:
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"WHAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!! You don't know anything about football." LOL Give me a break you pathetic fucking loser. Go get yourself a pacifier.

Grow up.
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GeorgeAdams33 : 1/13/2019 5:01 pm : link
In comment 14261162 Mr. Bungle said:
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"WHAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!! You don't know anything about football." LOL Give me a break you pathetic fucking loser. Go get yourself a pacifier.


Grow up.


Go pound sand in your ass
Close your eyes...  
Howyadoin : 1/13/2019 5:21 pm : link
I think he played Awesome!
RE: It's okay, little crybaby  
arcarsenal : 1/13/2019 5:49 pm : link
In comment 14261132 GeorgeAdams33 said:
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"WHAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!! You don't know anything about football." LOL Give me a break you pathetic fucking loser. Go get yourself a pacifier.


You seem like a really angry, aggressive person.

There are a lot of really great therapists out there now - there are even apps like TalkSpace that allow you to talk to someone from home using the convenience of your smart phone.

I'm not being facetious or being a dick - I'm actually being serious. I know I poked at your post first, but I invited you to actually back up your point like an adult and you doubled down on the insults.

I'm not interested in going down that road, but I do sincerely hope things get better for you.
If Luck had  
dep026 : 1/13/2019 5:58 pm : link
Andy Reid
Hill
Kelce
And hunt for the majority of the year....

He would be putting up insane number like mahomes did. Are we really arguing that Indy had better weapons around Luck than KC did with Mahomes.

Switch them and Luck would be putting up the insane numbers Mahomes did and most likely be MVP. People dismissing my opinion is fine. It’s BBI. Looking at surrounding talent is rarely done here.
Sorry, but Mahomes does things with a football  
bw in dc : 1/13/2019 6:13 pm : link
that Luck, and everyone else in the league with the exception of Rodgers, can't come close to duplicating.



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UConn4523 : 1/13/2019 6:33 pm : link
In comment 14261661 dep026 said:
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Andy Reid
Hill
Kelce
And hunt for the majority of the year....

He would be putting up insane number like mahomes did. Are we really arguing that Indy had better weapons around Luck than KC did with Mahomes.

Switch them and Luck would be putting up the insane numbers Mahomes did and most likely be MVP. People dismissing my opinion is fine. It’s BBI. Looking at surrounding talent is rarely done here.


There isn’t a single person who thinks Luck has even average weapons around him, let alone what Mahomes has. You are dismissing how good Mahomes is, which is really odd but not surprising. I remember one of his Monday night games where he wasn’t playing out of this world, and instead was average, and you were beating him down constantly.

My issues were your comments on Mahomes, not what you said about Luck.
RE: I love Luck  
Hammer : 1/13/2019 8:28 pm : link
In comment 14260519 UConn4523 said:
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but I disagree on Mahomes, he’s fully capable of taking the Colts to the playoffs.


The fact that Luck might be injured crossed my mind, more than once.
Luck wasn't good against KC  
dpinzow : 1/13/2019 8:36 pm : link
but before this situation there were serious NFL people thinking he'd never play at a high level again due to injuries so I cut him slack for one bad game in what was an excellent return season
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dep026 : 1/13/2019 9:00 pm : link
In comment 14261712 UConn4523 said:
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Andy Reid
Hill
Kelce
And hunt for the majority of the year....

He would be putting up insane number like mahomes did. Are we really arguing that Indy had better weapons around Luck than KC did with Mahomes.

Switch them and Luck would be putting up the insane numbers Mahomes did and most likely be MVP. People dismissing my opinion is fine. It’s BBI. Looking at surrounding talent is rarely done here.



There isn’t a single person who thinks Luck has even average weapons around him, let alone what Mahomes has. You are dismissing how good Mahomes is, which is really odd but not surprising. I remember one of his Monday night games where he wasn’t playing out of this world, and instead was average, and you were beating him down constantly.

My issues were your comments on Mahomes, not what you said about Luck.


I am thinking Mahomes would have struggled more than people realize with less than stellar people around. And remember Indy OLine struggled to start the year. Maybe Mahomes overcomes? But I’ll play the percentages that a young QB would have taken some major lumps with what Luck endured this year.
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