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Anybody else think Luck was awful?

KingBlue : 1/13/2019 7:52 am
Patrick Mahomes was great. The Chiefs were and are superior. I thought the Chiefs defense really stepped up and played better than they had all year. All that said... I thought Luck played poorly yesterday. It wasn't mentioned on the broadcast, so maybe I'm just being too critical. He seemed off and didn't get any criticism on the broadcast or even in the print media this morning as far as I can tell.

Rate the QB play from yesterday:

Mahomes, Goff, Dak... and a distant 4th... Luck.
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He didn’t have a good game  
UConn4523 : 1/13/2019 7:54 am : link
It happens. plenty of commentary on it in the game thread.
He had a rough game. It happens.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/13/2019 7:55 am : link
His OL didn't do him any favors either.
The Colts were a miserable team all over, Luck included  
Ssanders9816 : 1/13/2019 7:56 am : link
They weren’t ready for the weather or anything the Chiefs had in store. Sloppy and ill-prepared.
Luck also faced the most pressure  
UConn4523 : 1/13/2019 7:58 am : link
of any QB yesterday by a mile. They didn’t block well, he didn’t pass it well, his receivers dropped a bunch of passes. All bad.
RE: Luck also faced the most pressure  
KingBlue : 1/13/2019 8:02 am : link
In comment 14260479 UConn4523 said:
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of any QB yesterday by a mile. They didn’t block well, he didn’t pass it well, his receivers dropped a bunch of passes. All bad.


Yeah, the pressure was a surprise... Colts OL had performed great all year and was a huge story line heading into the game. Credit to Bob Sutton's defense for a great plan and to the players for great execution.
He wasn't good  
Sy'56 : 1/13/2019 8:08 am : link
And that was their first game in bad weather, his in particular, in a really long time. Years.

He also has the worst group of pass-catchers among playoff teams.
A in door team  
mdthedream : 1/13/2019 8:18 am : link
that couldn't handle the weather.
RE: Luck also faced the most pressure  
rocco8112 : 1/13/2019 8:23 am : link
In comment 14260479 UConn4523 said:
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of any QB yesterday by a mile. They didn’t block well, he didn’t pass it well, his receivers dropped a bunch of passes. All bad.


Agree, he looked like crap and this is the reason why. He was harassed and the Colts were physically whooped up front.

Then when plays were there to be made, there were drops. Even though they were a dome squad, I thought they would respond better to the elements than the Chiefs. I was dead wrong on that one. Colts are going to be a force too I think, so I don't think this will be the last battle of these two QB'S.

Chiefs look real good.
This happened with Manning teams too  
UConn4523 : 1/13/2019 8:26 am : link
when you play maybe 1 or 2 games in the cold all year and then have to when it counts, the lack of experience shows up. You are a half step slower, hits hurt more, communication may be harder, etc.
Luck is a decent player, that is all.  
Dry Lightning : 1/13/2019 8:37 am : link
He has lost arm strength with his injury. It has actually has made him a better player, as he has less confidence in his arm. The bottom line on him is this. When he cam out of college they said he was the next Elway. That he is a great runner, has great arm strength, great football mind etc. The reality is that he was very good at everything. Not great. Now with his injury, he not even that.
Haha  
UConn4523 : 1/13/2019 8:43 am : link
yeah he’s just decent.
I commented to my son  
Chris L. : 1/13/2019 8:45 am : link
during the game he looked like he was not 100%...like he was playing hurt. That was how bad he looked. No zip at all on any of his passes.
KC defense, particularly secondary performance on 3rd down  
Jimmy Googs : 1/13/2019 8:47 am : link
was great yesterday. I didn't think it was pressure in Luck's face that caused the issues but moreso good coverage and nowhere to go with ball or contested catches (a couple drops). I only watched so much though as game was basically over after first 20 minutes or so.

Colts had a nice bounceback year after a great draft. They overachieved and should be content with how far they went.

Luck is a very good QB.
If luck and mahomes switched teams  
dep026 : 1/13/2019 8:49 am : link
KC doesn’t make the playoffs and Luck is the league MVP.

Hilton is good. Ebron was a bust before joining Luck. And some guy named Marlon Mack is his RB.

Give me Andrew luck any day of the week.
Indy*  
dep026 : 1/13/2019 8:49 am : link
Doesn’t make the playoffs...
RE: Indy*  
KingBlue : 1/13/2019 8:54 am : link
In comment 14260503 dep026 said:
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Doesn’t make the playoffs...


Wow, really? Mahomes is incapable of leading Colts to the playoffs?
RE: If luck and mahomes switched teams  
christian : 1/13/2019 9:00 am : link
In comment 14260502 dep026 said:
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KC doesn’t make the playoffs and Luck is the league MVP.

Hilton is good. Ebron was a bust before joining Luck. And some guy named Marlon Mack is his RB.

Give me Andrew luck any day of the week.


That's ridiculous.
If Luck  
XBRONX : 1/13/2019 9:00 am : link
was a Giant some posters would say he was playing with undisclosed injury.
RE: If luck and mahomes switched teams  
Danny Kanell : 1/13/2019 9:05 am : link
In comment 14260502 dep026 said:
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KC doesn’t make the playoffs and Luck is the league MVP.

Hilton is good. Ebron was a bust before joining Luck. And some guy named Marlon Mack is his RB.

Give me Andrew luck any day of the week.


I like Luck a lot but this is a really dumb post.
I love Luck  
UConn4523 : 1/13/2019 9:13 am : link
but I disagree on Mahomes, he’s fully capable of taking the Colts to the playoffs.
^  
ColHowPepper : 1/13/2019 9:18 am : link
what would you expect from him, he of the irrational QB fixations and delusions?
(:
mine above  
ColHowPepper : 1/13/2019 9:19 am : link
addressed to Danny, christian, and others
RE: RE: If luck and mahomes switched teams  
GoBlue6599 : 1/13/2019 9:20 am : link
In comment 14260511 Danny Kanell said:
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In comment 14260502 dep026 said:


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KC doesn’t make the playoffs and Luck is the league MVP.

Hilton is good. Ebron was a bust before joining Luck. And some guy named Marlon Mack is his RB.

Give me Andrew luck any day of the week.



I like Luck a lot but this is a really dumb post.

Dep026 is the king of hyperbole.. The Colts don’t make the playoffs with Mahomes a great player in his own right.. lol at that ridiculous comment
I thought the Colts were vastly overrated.  
mittenedman : 1/13/2019 9:24 am : link
They're a team on the upswing for sure. They have $90M in cap space.

I expect them to be very good next year - but their D and even their offense isn't going to scare great teams. The Giants had them beat late in the year and should've won the game. Wasn't all that impressed with them then.
Dome team in cold weather? Hard to expect a good game against  
Ivan15 : 1/13/2019 9:32 am : link
even an equal team!
No doubt that Luck does not have the zip on the ball  
Doomster : 1/13/2019 9:40 am : link
he use to have.....so he relies on accuracy and timing passes.....but if your OL does not give you time, and your receivers drop balls, that's the kind of offense you saw yesterday....

Gee, where else have I seen that?
I like Luck. Would certainly not mind having him here.  
Big Blue '56 : 1/13/2019 9:44 am : link
That said, WHEN has he come up big when it counted?
Marlon Mack is a player  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/13/2019 9:47 am : link
The colts oline wasn't that bad. Most the pressure was coming late because no one was getting open. The coaching was atrocious. The offensive game plan should have been get under center and run the ball. Their second drive was pass pass pass and when they did run the ball it was out of shotgun half the time while kc is shooting gaps getting tfl. Mind numbingly stupid. Reich got his ass handed to him yesterday.
RE: I like Luck. Would certainly not mind having him here.  
UConn4523 : 1/13/2019 9:50 am : link
In comment 14260547 Big Blue '56 said:
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That said, WHEN has he come up big when it counted?


Define “when it counted”. All of his playoff losses were on the road in cold weather, against teams that were better, including the Pats x2. I’d have to look it up but the Colts were probably never favored in any of his playoff losses. And his first 3 trips to the playoffs he took a team that had no business going and actually had some success.
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Toth029 : 1/13/2019 9:51 am : link
Not that it excuses him, but no one was getting open. His best receiver was Ebron who isn't a game changer exactly. TY Hilton was banged up. Best receiver other than that was Dontrelle Inman. No joke.
Yea he sucked yesterday  
WillVAB : 1/13/2019 9:55 am : link
Regardless of the excuses the Luck fanboys make.

He looked worse than Peyton Manning Denver Broncos edition.
I’m putting yesterday’s loss on the coaching staff...  
trueblueinpw : 1/13/2019 10:04 am : link
Luck wasn’t good, but that entire Colts team played poorly. Ebron was particularly bad and his drop on the first series put the Colts at a disadvantage right away. Reich is a new HC and what he did this regular season is something to be extremely proud of. The game plan was poor and the execution wasn’t good but let’s be honest, there aren’t many teams that could have gone into Arrowhead and made a game of it yesterday. And as bad as the Colts played, they were in the game with a chance in the fourth quarter.
To me Luck was bad  
micky : 1/13/2019 10:12 am : link
But how much was it possibly with something going on with his arm..a extrodanant amount of tipped passes at LOS and under thrown balls?
RE: Yea he sucked yesterday  
UConn4523 : 1/13/2019 10:17 am : link
In comment 14260559 WillVAB said:
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Regardless of the excuses the Luck fanboys make.

He looked worse than Peyton Manning Denver Broncos edition.


You sound so dumb, consistently. You provide nothing at all, you say a guy sucks and I guess that’s it. I am an admitted Luck fan but it isn’t irrational, he’s really good player who should be even better next year.

So if thinking he’s one of the top QBs in the league makes me a fan boy, so he. It’s better than sounding like an uneducated moron.
RE: If luck and mahomes switched teams  
Mike from Ohio : 1/13/2019 10:27 am : link
In comment 14260502 dep026 said:
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KC doesn’t make the playoffs and Luck is the league MVP.

Hilton is good. Ebron was a bust before joining Luck. And some guy named Marlon Mack is his RB.

Give me Andrew luck any day of the week.


You have some of the oddest assessments of QB play of anyone I have ever seen. I think it's fair to say this is an opinion very much in the minority of most.
RE: RE: I like Luck. Would certainly not mind having him here.  
Big Blue '56 : 1/13/2019 10:38 am : link
In comment 14260554 UConn4523 said:
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That said, WHEN has he come up big when it counted?



Define “when it counted”. All of his playoff losses were on the road in cold weather, against teams that were better, including the Pats x2. I’d have to look it up but the Colts were probably never favored in any of his playoff losses. And his first 3 trips to the playoffs he took a team that had no business going and actually had some success.


Clutch QBs win on the road in the playoffs, inclement weather included. Eli, Rodgers, Brady, Ben and so on..The excuses for Luck are selective. The Giants certainly had no “business” going.
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arcarsenal : 1/13/2019 10:45 am : link
I can't believe how many people are dumping on Luck. He had a fantastic season - he should be a lock for comeback player of the year. Guy hadn't played in 2 years and was asked to throw the football about 650 times this year - 2nd to only Roethlisberger.

He probably started to wear down a bit and he hadn't played a cold weather game in a long time.

He wasn't "awful" at all - Mahomes didn't do much more than he did. The difference is that the Colts defense couldn't stop Damien Williams or figure out how to cover Travis Kelce and Tyreek Hill.

Luck also was victimized by several drops. Ebron had a shot at that ball in the endzone before half. Another gimmie TD was dropped near the end of the game and Hilton had one or two drops that could have been caught.

Off day - big deal. Guy is a great QB and I'd kill to have him.
Luck clearly had some arm fatigue going on  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/13/2019 10:46 am : link
His unbelievable accuracy was covering it up, but it's really tough to throw guys open without a strong arm Rivers excluded.
RE: RE: Yea he sucked yesterday  
arcarsenal : 1/13/2019 10:50 am : link
In comment 14260580 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 14260559 WillVAB said:


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Regardless of the excuses the Luck fanboys make.

He looked worse than Peyton Manning Denver Broncos edition.



You sound so dumb, consistently. You provide nothing at all, you say a guy sucks and I guess that’s it. I am an admitted Luck fan but it isn’t irrational, he’s really good player who should be even better next year.

So if thinking he’s one of the top QBs in the league makes me a fan boy, so he. It’s better than sounding like an uneducated moron.


Yeah, bizarre, baseless arguments. Nothing but hyperbolic bullshit. Terrible poster.

By the way...

"Peyton Manning Denver Broncos Edition" (sounds like a Matchbox car or something...) was pretty fucking good for the majority of his time there. 3 of his 4 seasons as a Bronco were fantastic. So, you might want to re-think that critique.

And if the insinuation was that Luck looked like the version that threw 9 TD's and got picked off 17 times as a passenger on a defense-centric football team in his final season, that might be an even worse take.

Brutal.
He's a great player but they couldn't run the ball at all yest...  
JCin332 : 1/13/2019 10:51 am : link
thus showing that in order to win especially in the playoffs you have to be able to run the ball...
And of course  
WillVAB : 1/13/2019 10:54 am : link
The President and Vice President of the Luck fan club chime in to defend his honor.
RE: RE: RE: I like Luck. Would certainly not mind having him here.  
UConn4523 : 1/13/2019 10:55 am : link
In comment 14260604 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 14260547 Big Blue '56 said:


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That said, WHEN has he come up big when it counted?



Define “when it counted”. All of his playoff losses were on the road in cold weather, against teams that were better, including the Pats x2. I’d have to look it up but the Colts were probably never favored in any of his playoff losses. And his first 3 trips to the playoffs he took a team that had no business going and actually had some success.



Clutch QBs win on the road in the playoffs, inclement weather included. Eli, Rodgers, Brady, Ben and so on..The excuses for Luck are selective. The Giants certainly had no “business” going.


I don’t disagree but there’s still more to it. Did the Colts pass rush show up like the Giants? Did the Colts WRs show up like Nicks/Plax?

Context is huge, and I don’t think Luck has ever had the players to get over the jump like other road underdogs.
RE: He wasn't good  
djm : 1/13/2019 10:57 am : link
In comment 14260483 Sy'56 said:
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And that was their first game in bad weather, his in particular, in a really long time. Years.

He also has the worst group of pass-catchers among playoff teams.


Funny after a few minutes I knew my colts pick was way off based on the colts passing game, notably the receivers themselves. You just knew early on the colts had no chance in this game. The colts fixed the ol and D but they were still basically a one man show for most of the season and it came back to bite them yesterday,
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Ash_3 : 1/13/2019 11:00 am : link
In comment 14260612 arcarsenal said:
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I can't believe how many people are dumping on Luck. He had a fantastic season - he should be a lock for comeback player of the year. Guy hadn't played in 2 years and was asked to throw the football about 650 times this year - 2nd to only Roethlisberger.

He probably started to wear down a bit and he hadn't played a cold weather game in a long time.

He wasn't "awful" at all - Mahomes didn't do much more than he did. The difference is that the Colts defense couldn't stop Damien Williams or figure out how to cover Travis Kelce and Tyreek Hill.

Luck also was victimized by several drops. Ebron had a shot at that ball in the endzone before half. Another gimmie TD was dropped near the end of the game and Hilton had one or two drops that could have been caught.

Off day - big deal. Guy is a great QB and I'd kill to have him.


It's hilarious. People have a really hard time grasping the concept of sample size.
Luck was very poor...  
bw in dc : 1/13/2019 11:02 am : link
it happens. The 0 for 9 on third down was historically bad.

Give KC credit to a degree, but Luck has to deliver more. That’s his job.

I really like him. I think it’s great he’s back. So I will focus on the entirety of the season when thinking about his year.

But, again, he didn’t deliver yesterday and deserves blame.
Colts were a middling team  
Bluesbreaker : 1/13/2019 11:07 am : link
That came into the game banged up . Luck is an excellent
QB that needs a few more pieces and some help on the
O-line . He had an off game and no run game to keep
the pressure off . Question is if he is damaged goods
from the injuries . KC is a well coached team with plenty
of talent in the secondary .When your playing with onr
arm tied behind your back No run game and piss poor pass
protection playing in Arrowhead tough place to win period .
RE: And of course  
arcarsenal : 1/13/2019 11:08 am : link
In comment 14260629 WillVAB said:
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The President and Vice President of the Luck fan club chime in to defend his honor.


The first convincing football point you make will be the first.

Criticizing a guy for having a "shitty rotator cuff," calling people fanboys, and utilizing gross hyperbole as an argument tactic isn't how you do it.
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arcarsenal : 1/13/2019 11:08 am : link
*the next will be the first.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I like Luck. Would certainly not mind having him here.  
Big Blue '56 : 1/13/2019 11:16 am : link
In comment 14260634 UConn4523 said:
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That said, WHEN has he come up big when it counted?



Define “when it counted”. All of his playoff losses were on the road in cold weather, against teams that were better, including the Pats x2. I’d have to look it up but the Colts were probably never favored in any of his playoff losses. And his first 3 trips to the playoffs he took a team that had no business going and actually had some success.



Clutch QBs win on the road in the playoffs, inclement weather included. Eli, Rodgers, Brady, Ben and so on..The excuses for Luck are selective. The Giants certainly had no “business” going.



I don’t disagree but there’s still more to it. Did the Colts pass rush show up like the Giants? Did the Colts WRs show up like Nicks/Plax?

Context is huge, and I don’t think Luck has ever had the players to get over the jump like other road underdogs.


Understood. Just answering your question about how I define clutch or coming up big
RE: I like Luck. Would certainly not mind having him here.  
arcarsenal : 1/13/2019 11:26 am : link
In comment 14260547 Big Blue '56 said:
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That said, WHEN has he come up big when it counted?


The comeback against KC in the playoffs in 2013 was pretty impressive. They were down 38-10 and won 45-44. He threw for 443 yards and 4 TD's that day. I'd say that's coming up big when it counts, no?

Look - one year ago, there was serious question as to whether or not Andrew Luck was ever even going to play football again. He not only played this year - but he threw nearly 40 TD passes, threw for 4500 yards, posted the best completion percentage of his career and had a season that was pretty much on par with the best one in his career to date (2014).

What he did this year was pretty damn good all things considered.
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