A’s Trying To Convince Murray to Forego NFL

perhaps he should forego the NFL

and pretty unprecedented considering he’s likely a first round pick.

should be tempered by this. I don't care how talented he may be, how do you make that big an investment in a player that may never play for you. Teams will need some sort of commitment from him and even than, he could change his mind down the road.

then he and his team must have good intel he's going to be drafted in a very good spot.

And if that is the case, then it's official - the NFL has completely changed with what they are looking for...

In comment 14260697 UConn4523 said:

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and pretty unprecedented considering he’s likely a first round pick.

Bo, Eleay, Sanders and Drew Henson come to mind.

I don’t care how tall he is
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In comment 14260730 twostepgiants said:

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You should care. 5'9" QB's don't have much of a history in this league.

of the worst qb in football like that.....

Flutie had problems with batted balls, he would too...

Starting contract for a NFL draft pick, higher than a #1 baseball pick....

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of the worst qb in football like that..... Flutie had problems with batted balls, he would too... Starting contract for a NFL draft pick, higher than a #1 baseball pick....

It is a different league than it once was. Smaller QBs can succeed now. Sure, he might be very small, but with more spread concepts, I think he’ll be ok.

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of the worst qb in football like that..... Flutie had problems with batted balls, he would too... Starting contract for a NFL draft pick, higher than a #1 baseball pick....

You can show me a highlight of Eli Manning throwing 55 yards in the air while on the run full speed and hitting a guy in stride in double coverage?

Wow. I would love to see that.

as much as it once did but still if I am spending a top pick on a QB there are things I don't want to worry about. Size is one of them. Arm strength is another. To an extent you're playing the percentages here. Yes, you can find shorter QB's who have done well but most of the top QB's are taller. Gotta believe there's a good reason for that.

we will find out his height at the combine. It says he is 5' 10"

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In comment 14260697 UConn4523 said: Quote: and pretty unprecedented considering he’s likely a first round pick. Bo, Eleay, Sanders and Drew Henson come to mind.

None were first round picks in both.

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In comment 14260697 UConn4523 said: Quote: and pretty unprecedented considering he’s likely a first round pick. Bo, Eleay, Sanders and Drew Henson come to mind.

Brian Jordan was damn good, just not the super high draft pick.

He's too small to last very long in today's NFL, and there's the huge CTE risk. Baseball players make a LOT of money and there's very little physical punishment. He can have a normal life after the sport with his riches.

Not to mention the NFL is headed for a massive labor war in a couple of years.

Unless the A's want to sign him to a MLB contract right now(not even sure that's allowed) , I don't see him foregoing the draft.

In comment 14260951 FStubbs said:

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He's too small to last very long in today's NFL, and there's the huge CTE risk. Baseball players make a LOT of money and there's very little physical punishment. He can have a normal life after the sport with his riches. Not to mention the NFL is headed for a massive labor war in a couple of years.

He may never play any meaningful games in MLB. What did he have, 250
college ABs? I could be wrong, but MLB has the lowest success rate for 1st rounders by far.

is a legit QB. I'd seriously consider him at 6. If a team feels like his height won't be an issue, and you go by talent alone ,he probably is the best QB in this draft class. If the Giants came away with Haskins or Murray this draft I'd be pretty happy with it.

In comment 14260951 FStubbs said:

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He's too small to last very long in today's NFL, and there's the huge CTE risk. Baseball players make a LOT of money and there's very little physical punishment. He can have a normal life after the sport with his riches. Not to mention the NFL is headed for a massive labor war in a couple of years.

Easy for us to say but NFL contracts are in his favor. He’s also “better” at football and could easily not make it as an MLB pro, making all the money he could make, irrelevant. CTE at the QB position isn’t as concerning as other positions.

also quarterbacks? In baseball, you have to throw. As a QB, you have to throw. You don't have to throw as a RB or CB. All I'm saying is, that's a LOT of mileage on one arm.

BUT I know the FO would never take a QB that short. That is too far outside the box for the Giants and they are too set in their ways to consider such a drastic change.

I am really hoping that the Cards really do want Murray though. The next few months will certainly be interesting.

to commit to baseball.

According to Mike Leslie of WFAA, Murray wants a $15 million contract from the A’s. Otherwise, Murray will enter the NFL draft.

That’s a risky position for Murray. If the A’s say yes, he gets the money. If the A’s say no, does that really close the door on the A’s changing their mind later? That’s the dilemma any NFL team that drafts Murray would face.

If $15 million is Murray’s financial goal, that would peg his NFL floor in the range of pick No. 11 or 12, based on the 2018 contracts given to first-round picks. If a team takes Murray below that spot, will the A’s step up and match or beat the slotted contract value that Murray would get from his NFL team?
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In comment 14261725 Jay on the Island said:

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to commit to baseball. According to Mike Leslie of WFAA, Murray wants a $15 million contract from the A’s. Otherwise, Murray will enter the NFL draft. That’s a risky position for Murray. If the A’s say yes, he gets the money. If the A’s say no, does that really close the door on the A’s changing their mind later? That’s the dilemma any NFL team that drafts Murray would face. If $15 million is Murray’s financial goal, that would peg his NFL floor in the range of pick No. 11 or 12, based on the 2018 contracts given to first-round picks. If a team takes Murray below that spot, will the A’s step up and match or beat the slotted contract value that Murray would get from his NFL team? Link - ( New Window )

Then Kyler is probably going to the NFL draft because the A's aren't exactly one of MLB's free spending franchises

I’d love to see him try.

He's not a sure thing, and there's going to be a part of him that wonders what he could have been on Sunday, especially while he's riding charter buses around the Midwest League and hitting his weight. It's an open secret that football is his first love.

I'll be following this one...

In comment 14261710 Jay on the Island said:

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BUT I know the FO would never take a QB that short. That is too far outside the box for the Giants and they are too set in their ways to consider such a drastic change. I am really hoping that the Cards really do want Murray though. The next few months will certainly be interesting.

That's the problem with the Giants organization...

Now who takes him...

made the right decision. Now the combine will be fascinating.