Why is there so much consensus that Rivers is a lock for the Hall of Fame and Eli isn't. Their numbers are virtually equal and Eli has two rings. If you watched today's game against the Patriots , you see the results of a lack of protection.Rivers looked far worse than Eli did at any time this year.
They are both borderline. Rivers is less borderline, and has had a better career.
They are both borderline. Rivers is less borderline, and has had a better career.
Rivers has had a better career in what sense?
They are both borderline. Rivers is less borderline, and has had a better career.
You need to elaborate on this. What’s borderline
Because I think you're talking out your ass
This and why do we have to keep comparing the two ...
They are both borderline. Rivers is less borderline, and has had a better career.
Are you even a Giants fan?
Eli has better post season stats.
Aside from that all numbers are similar
Just for some perspective..
Ok, bw, please continue..:)
They are both borderline. Rivers is less borderline, and has had a better career.
Yep that 5-6 career playoff record with no rings is quite an accomplishment.
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No idea what numbers you are looking at...
They are both borderline. Rivers is less borderline, and has had a better career.
You need to elaborate on this. What’s borderline
Sure. Borderline to me is that it's not clear cut. It's going to take some real convincing in that debate room. Both Manning and Eli have pluses and minuses.
Rivers had had, IMV, HoF regular season career. But not enough playoff accomplishments.
Eli gets a positive bump for the two SB runs. But his regular seasons are more quantity than quality.
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No idea what numbers you are looking at...
They are both borderline. Rivers is less borderline, and has had a better career.
Are you even a Giants fan?
I am.
Next inane question.
Eli has better post season stats.
Aside from that all numbers are similar
All key regular season metric numbers are not similar - QBR, TD/INT ratio, standard QB rating, completion %, etc are all in favor of Rivers.
Too bad it didn't come to translate in the playoffs. Where the big boys play.
Montana
Starr
Bradshaw
Manning (Eli).
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No idea what numbers you are looking at...
They are both borderline. Rivers is less borderline, and has had a better career.
Are you even a Giants fan?
I am.
Next inane question.
Just checking. You wouldn't rooting against the Cowboys yesterday. Today you're saying you'd take Rivers over Eli...
Just checking. You wouldn't rooting against the Cowboys yesterday. Today you're saying you'd take Rivers over Eli...
I didn't care about the Cowboys game. They don't bother me actually.
Now the Eagles are a completely different story. There isn't an organization and fan base I dislike more than them.
But thanks for trying to keep me honest to whatever BBI doctrine that exists for "true fandom"...
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Just checking. You wouldn't rooting against the Cowboys yesterday. Today you're saying you'd take Rivers over Eli...
I didn't care about the Cowboys game. They don't bother me actually.
Now the Eagles are a completely different story. There isn't an organization and fan base I dislike more than them.
But thanks for trying to keep me honest to whatever BBI doctrine that exists for "true fandom"...
No problem, brother.
Montana
Starr
Bradshaw
Manning (Eli).
And Eli can't hold a candle to any of them.
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Brady
Montana
Starr
Bradshaw
Manning (Eli).
And Eli can't hold a candle to any of them.
And Rivers isn't even in the conversation, so....
Read my earlier post where I list the key regular season metrics. I suggest you familiarize yourself because I have.
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Brady
Montana
Starr
Bradshaw
Manning (Eli).
And Eli can't hold a candle to any of them.
Terry Bradshaw? Eli is better.
One has hardware, and one doesn't. That's what separates the wheat from the chaff, whether you refuse to acknowledge it or not.
Terry Bradshaw? Eli is better.
Come on. Seriously? You just wrote that?
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Brady
Montana
Starr
Bradshaw
Manning (Eli).
And Eli can't hold a candle to any of them.
Terry Bradshaw? Eli is better.
And it’s not even close...:)
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One has hardware, and one doesn't. That's what separates the wheat from the chaff, whether you refuse to acknowledge it or not.
I don't acknowledge that - correct. Eli has considerably more mistakes, less completion %, less QBR, etc.
I don't dwell on volume. That tells just a piece of a story.
Look, I said BOTH are borderline. So, see if you can digest that for a second.
Just looked it up. Jim Plunkett not only is a two time winner in the Super Bowl, he was MVP in both games. I thought you had me,
All time completion percentage and QBR? You're nuts.
Look at the top ten QB rating all time. Kirk Cousins is in the top 10.
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Just looked it up. Jim Plunkett not only is a two time winner in the Super Bowl, he was MVP in both games. I thought you had me,
Jim Plunkett did not win the MVP 2x.
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Just looked it up. Jim Plunkett not only is a two time winner in the Super Bowl, he was MVP in both games. I thought you had me,
Jim Plunkett did not win the MVP 2x.
Please check this link
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All time completion percentage and QBR? You're nuts.
Look at the top ten QB rating all time. Kirk Cousins is in the top 10.
I'm comparing Eli directly to Rivers and their key stats, and even volume, are in favor of Rivers. You seem to be a bright guy. Why you can't absorb that is odd.
Just go to pro-football reference and do a side by side. My guess is you will be able to discern the differences without my help. But I don't mind helping if you struggle.
Super Bowl MVP (XV)
All key regular season metric numbers are not similar - QBR, TD/INT ratio, standard QB rating, completion %, etc are all in favor of Rivers.
QBR - Eli 84.1 Bradshaw 70.9
TD:INT - 360:236. 212:210
Comp %: 60.3%. 51.9%
Not to mention, Eli has nearly double the passing yards. Not arguing that TB, with 4 SB’s shouldn’t be in, but Eli is the better QB. It isn’t even arguable.
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All key regular season metric numbers are not similar - QBR, TD/INT ratio, standard QB rating, completion %, etc are all in favor of Rivers.
QBR - Eli 84.1 Bradshaw 70.9
TD:INT - 360:236. 212:210
Comp %: 60.3%. 51.9%
Not to mention, Eli has nearly double the passing yards. Not arguing that TB, with 4 SB’s shouldn’t be in, but Eli is the better QB. It isn’t even arguable.
Come on. Apples and oranges. Those are two different eras.
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All key regular season metric numbers are not similar - QBR, TD/INT ratio, standard QB rating, completion %, etc are all in favor of Rivers.
QBR - Eli 84.1 Bradshaw 70.9
TD:INT - 360:236. 212:210
Comp %: 60.3%. 51.9%
Not to mention, Eli has nearly double the passing yards. Not arguing that TB, with 4 SB’s shouldn’t be in, but Eli is the better QB. It isn’t even arguable.
God bless you but you should be banned. ;)
Uh - you do realize Bradshaw played QB when you needed a wheelchair to get on the plane after every game?
They played completely different era. Bradshaw had a better arm, was more mobile, and tougher. He was a GREAT big game QB.
I stand corrected. I looked up Super Bowl MVPs and he was only listed once.
Absolutely baffling.