what I saw was similar to your evaluation. I'm curious, why do you think he sometimes struggles with intermediate throws? This article from TDN from early Oct seems to indicate that it's a talent issue vs a technique issue. Would you agree with that? Link - ( New Window )
Absolutely could be. I am still in the process of getting all his games so I can spend an entire day on him.
But I will say this, his OL and WRs were overmatched every week. It is likely not one of them will be drafted...maybe one of the TEs can sneak in to late day 3.
what I saw was similar to your evaluation. I'm curious, why do you think he sometimes struggles with intermediate throws? This article from TDN from early Oct seems to indicate that it's a talent issue vs a technique issue. Would you agree with that? Link - ( New Window )
Absolutely could be. I am still in the process of getting all his games so I can spend an entire day on him.
But I will say this, his OL and WRs were overmatched every week. It is likely not one of them will be drafted...maybe one of the TEs can sneak in to late day 3.
I would not draft Jones in the top 10, but he should still be drafted in the first round. A lot of his receivers simply couldn't get separation, and he was under a lot of pressure in many games.
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what I saw was similar to your evaluation. I'm curious, why do you think he sometimes struggles with intermediate throws? This article from TDN from early Oct seems to indicate that it's a talent issue vs a technique issue. Would you agree with that? Link - ( New Window )
Absolutely could be. I am still in the process of getting all his games so I can spend an entire day on him.
But I will say this, his OL and WRs were overmatched every week. It is likely not one of them will be drafted...maybe one of the TEs can sneak in to late day 3.
overmatched like Eli's guys at Ole Miss?
Just as Haskins is hard to evaluate because of his Â
supporting cast, Jones is similarly hard to evaluate for complete opposite reasons. He completed 60% of his passes but every time you'd watch Duke play he'd have numerous easy catches dropped by crappy receivers.
RE: RE: RE: Sy, saw your response after I replied but seems like Â
what I saw was similar to your evaluation. I'm curious, why do you think he sometimes struggles with intermediate throws? This article from TDN from early Oct seems to indicate that it's a talent issue vs a technique issue. Would you agree with that? Link - ( New Window )
Absolutely could be. I am still in the process of getting all his games so I can spend an entire day on him.
But I will say this, his OL and WRs were overmatched every week. It is likely not one of them will be drafted...maybe one of the TEs can sneak in to late day 3.
overmatched like Eli's guys at Ole Miss?
You can draw that parallel, sure.
and despite all that, Eli kept his team in the game Â
I want Eli to finish his career here. I hope that we extend him for two or three years with the intent of grooming a young QB for at least a year. I am not a Kyle Lauletta fan and I feel that he has only limited potential. If we don't land Haskins I would like to trade up from #38 for Jones as I suggested we do on a thread last week. Either guy would be likely to happily accept learning from Eli.
I want Eli to finish his career here. I hope that we extend him for two or three years with the intent of grooming a young QB for at least a year. I am not a Kyle Lauletta fan and I feel that he has only limited potential. If we don't land Haskins I would like to trade up from #38 for Jones as I suggested we do on a thread last week. Either guy would be likely to happily accept learning from Eli.
You'd have to trade up awfully far. It's early but all indications have been that a lot of teams have a first round grade on Jones. He could go top 12-15, possibly higher.
I don't want to rehash this debate for the millionth time but I always thought You Know Who might've been a decent QB with a better supporting cast and coaching
Right now I have him in the 2nd round area. A guy I think can get the job done a la Joe Flacco, but never a top tier guy. Can you win with him? Sure. Will he turn a team around? I don't see it.
If he's a 2nd rd guy, then I'm really good with taking an OL player Rd 1 and Jones Rd2. Maybe he can be better than a Flacco
what it is about him that makes him someone that “won’t lift a team up?” He’s not a great athlete, but he put himself on the map with inferior talent around him. If he does well at the combine, I can see second half of first rd for him. (Or the Missouri QB for that matter)
what I saw was similar to your evaluation. I'm curious, why do you think he sometimes struggles with intermediate throws? This article from TDN from early Oct seems to indicate that it's a talent issue vs a technique issue. Would you agree with that? Link - ( New Window )
his OL and WRs were overmatched every week. It is likely not one of them will be drafted...maybe one of the TEs can sneak in to late day 3.
This is why I grade him different from the other QBs (similar to how I graded Josh Allen last year). When you are a QB and none of the pieces around you are worthy their weight in salt then it makes it very hard to get even simple things done. Like Allen I see Jones occasionally force bad passes and try to fit the ball in windows that are too tight for him because he has to try to overcome a talent disparity each week.
He's got a pro arm and throws a great deep ball. His intermediate throws need some work though, I would assume thats related to footwork. He's got good size and is a decent athlete (running in a straight line).
Most weeks,he went against opponents that were far superior to Duke yet he,in most games,more than held his own. Great size,has good mobility,strong arm,can make short/long throws,good leader w/calm demeanor,Cutliffe coached. I think by the time April & the draft come,we will be having discussions about if we'd rather have Haskins or Jones.His stock is going to rise considerably in the next few months & the chances of getting him in the 2nd round will dissipate. He will be a first round pick!
Jones, do yourself a favor and watch two games from last year:
Clemson and Wake.
I added Wake because I'm sure there will be a crowd that will say, "Everyone will look bad against Clemson", but he was waxed 59-7 vs. Wake and was a large reason why. His ball in person doesn't look all that impressive. I saw Dungey look much better throwing the ball. Even Newman from Wake looked better throwing the ball. Jones also has under 60% completion rate for his career.
Jones, do yourself a favor and watch two games from last year:
Clemson and Wake.
I added Wake because I'm sure there will be a crowd that will say, "Everyone will look bad against Clemson", but he was waxed 59-7 vs. Wake and was a large reason why. His ball in person doesn't look all that impressive. I saw Dungey look much better throwing the ball. Even Newman from Wake looked better throwing the ball. Jones also has under 60% completion rate for his career.
I watched both those games & he had a bad game. I think people have a tendency to react positive/negative based on a game or 2. prime example is Tua Last year,too bad he can't turn pro-this year,WTF happened he looks horrible Lawrence is this years' flavor but God forbid he falters next season.Just the way it goes. Surround Jones with quality personnel & he can be as good as the other 2 I mentioned. Duke's O line & skill people were sub-par.
You wouldn't see nearly as much cheerleading for Jones here.
Not cheerleading,just basing it on the games I watched & I tried to watch all the games of all the QBs that we might take.I like Jones a lot & I do believe his ranking as a QB will rise considerably come draft day!
by Jones. But I saw him play twice in person and there were glaring things that stood out.
It certainly could just be a couple of bad games, but we're talking about a guy under 60% completions for his career and who had 14 TD's with 11 INT's his sophomore season.
Both are red flags that aren't just based on a one or two game snapshot. When his passes looked less crisp and slower than Wake's QB, that's close to a deal-breaker. Against Lawrence, it was understandable.
The game vs UVA is available on YouTube, at least in a Jones cut up v.
That's the one that buried him for me to day 3 status. I wouldn't be so harsh vs Clemson or Bama.
Nothing conclusive, he played well considering what was given to him. His wrs certainly did not make plays and he was under duress. Of course he was not able to elevate them but there were dropped passes and batted balls. Going to have to watch the WF game
-Tough as nails in the pocket. Stares down the barrel of a gun while waiting for progressions consistently.
-Can layer the ball well. Nice touch on downfield throws. Very catchable ball.
-Better than advertised athlete.
-Understands progressions, patience, urgency, and how opposing defenses attack.
-Too often locks on to his initial target and will telegraph throws.
-Struggles with consistency on intermediate distance throws.
Do you see some Carson Palmer-light?
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The Giants love those Senior Bowl guys...
Yep, if he wins MVP he's a lock to be a Giant!
This philosophy hasn’t failed us yet!.......oh wait
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The Giants love those Senior Bowl guys...
Yep, if he wins MVP he's a lock to be a Giant!
This philosophy hasn’t failed us yet!.......oh wait
We haven't had to worry about third string QB for two years now...
Absolutely could be. I am still in the process of getting all his games so I can spend an entire day on him.
But I will say this, his OL and WRs were overmatched every week. It is likely not one of them will be drafted...maybe one of the TEs can sneak in to late day 3.
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-Pro body. Tall and good amount of meat on his frame. Can take hits and get right back up.
-Tough as nails in the pocket. Stares down the barrel of a gun while waiting for progressions consistently.
-Can layer the ball well. Nice touch on downfield throws. Very catchable ball.
-Better than advertised athlete.
-Understands progressions, patience, urgency, and how opposing defenses attack.
-Too often locks on to his initial target and will telegraph throws.
-Struggles with consistency on intermediate distance throws.
Do you see some Carson Palmer-light?
That is a solid comparison.
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what I saw was similar to your evaluation. I'm curious, why do you think he sometimes struggles with intermediate throws? This article from TDN from early Oct seems to indicate that it's a talent issue vs a technique issue. Would you agree with that? Link - ( New Window )
Absolutely could be. I am still in the process of getting all his games so I can spend an entire day on him.
But I will say this, his OL and WRs were overmatched every week. It is likely not one of them will be drafted...maybe one of the TEs can sneak in to late day 3.
I would not draft Jones in the top 10, but he should still be drafted in the first round. A lot of his receivers simply couldn't get separation, and he was under a lot of pressure in many games.
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what I saw was similar to your evaluation. I'm curious, why do you think he sometimes struggles with intermediate throws? This article from TDN from early Oct seems to indicate that it's a talent issue vs a technique issue. Would you agree with that? Link - ( New Window )
Absolutely could be. I am still in the process of getting all his games so I can spend an entire day on him.
But I will say this, his OL and WRs were overmatched every week. It is likely not one of them will be drafted...maybe one of the TEs can sneak in to late day 3.
overmatched like Eli's guys at Ole Miss?
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what I saw was similar to your evaluation. I'm curious, why do you think he sometimes struggles with intermediate throws? This article from TDN from early Oct seems to indicate that it's a talent issue vs a technique issue. Would you agree with that? Link - ( New Window )
Absolutely could be. I am still in the process of getting all his games so I can spend an entire day on him.
But I will say this, his OL and WRs were overmatched every week. It is likely not one of them will be drafted...maybe one of the TEs can sneak in to late day 3.
overmatched like Eli's guys at Ole Miss?
You can draw that parallel, sure.
You'd have to trade up awfully far. It's early but all indications have been that a lot of teams have a first round grade on Jones. He could go top 12-15, possibly higher.
I don't want to rehash this debate for the millionth time but I always thought You Know Who might've been a decent QB with a better supporting cast and coaching
If he's a 2nd rd guy, then I'm really good with taking an OL player Rd 1 and Jones Rd2. Maybe he can be better than a Flacco
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what I saw was similar to your evaluation. I'm curious, why do you think he sometimes struggles with intermediate throws? This article from TDN from early Oct seems to indicate that it's a talent issue vs a technique issue. Would you agree with that? Link - ( New Window )
his OL and WRs were overmatched every week. It is likely not one of them will be drafted...maybe one of the TEs can sneak in to late day 3.
This is why I grade him different from the other QBs (similar to how I graded Josh Allen last year). When you are a QB and none of the pieces around you are worthy their weight in salt then it makes it very hard to get even simple things done. Like Allen I see Jones occasionally force bad passes and try to fit the ball in windows that are too tight for him because he has to try to overcome a talent disparity each week.
Oliver in the 1st and Jones in the 2nd would be grand larceny.
That would be absolutely extraordinary if the Giants drafted Murray at the heir apparent.
The Mugsy Bogues of the NFL... ; )
I think he probably goes in the second round
Have you ever heard of Eli Manning?
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Has ruined any chance I would ever want team to draft a giants QB before round 3
Have you ever heard of Eli Manning?
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Technically, Philip Rivers.
My apologies.
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Has ruined any chance I would ever want team to draft a giants QB before round 3
Have you ever heard of Eli Manning?
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Also the supplemental draft is a much different talent pool than the regular draft. Can't make a fair round or pick# comparison that easy
But he has Peyton Manning type feet
Stands tall in the pocket like Brady with that one step drop
Has deceptive speed
Tends to throw across his body which gets him in trouble
I watched a lot of Duke games and that’s what I see .......
You have a very short memory. Earlier in his career Flacco was way, way more athletic and a better runner than Jones will ever pray to be.
Jones is a poor man's Flacco, not a poor man's Eli. Pls don't mention Jones and Eli in the same paragraph.
To me he is a day 3 pick. Let someone else have him in round 1 or 2. Maybe the Ravens wake up and take him.
Rd 2 looks like a good value, rd 3, great value.
Clemson and Wake.
I added Wake because I'm sure there will be a crowd that will say, "Everyone will look bad against Clemson", but he was waxed 59-7 vs. Wake and was a large reason why. His ball in person doesn't look all that impressive. I saw Dungey look much better throwing the ball. Even Newman from Wake looked better throwing the ball. Jones also has under 60% completion rate for his career.
Clemson and Wake.
I added Wake because I'm sure there will be a crowd that will say, "Everyone will look bad against Clemson", but he was waxed 59-7 vs. Wake and was a large reason why. His ball in person doesn't look all that impressive. I saw Dungey look much better throwing the ball. Even Newman from Wake looked better throwing the ball. Jones also has under 60% completion rate for his career.
I watched both those games & he had a bad game. I think people have a tendency to react positive/negative based on a game or 2. prime example is Tua Last year,too bad he can't turn pro-this year,WTF happened he looks horrible Lawrence is this years' flavor but God forbid he falters next season.Just the way it goes. Surround Jones with quality personnel & he can be as good as the other 2 I mentioned. Duke's O line & skill people were sub-par.
Not cheerleading,just basing it on the games I watched & I tried to watch all the games of all the QBs that we might take.I like Jones a lot & I do believe his ranking as a QB will rise considerably come draft day!
It certainly could just be a couple of bad games, but we're talking about a guy under 60% completions for his career and who had 14 TD's with 11 INT's his sophomore season.
Both are red flags that aren't just based on a one or two game snapshot. When his passes looked less crisp and slower than Wake's QB, that's close to a deal-breaker. Against Lawrence, it was understandable.
The game vs UVA is available on YouTube, at least in a Jones cut up v.
That's the one that buried him for me to day 3 status. I wouldn't be so harsh vs Clemson or Bama.
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So he is a first rounder now. Do not seeing us taking him that high unless ELI is history and we have a secret plan to get another QB.