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B in ALB : 1/13/2019 9:29 pm
So it seems after tonight's "performance" against the Saints, things are easier for the gray-haired lilliputian goof ball with the flasher's long coat to let Foles move along and go with Wentz. It was certainly a foregone conclusion that CW is their guy, but what if Nick Foles had led the Eagles to another Super Bowl?

Would the decision be that simple had the Saints not exposed him?

Would Jeffy NOT entertain a trade for Wentz at that point?

It would be pretty hard to let a 2-time Super Bowl winner walk. (huh, that was weird)

What say you, my fellow happy Giants fans on this fine evening?
Wentz is their now and future  
The_Boss : 1/13/2019 9:32 pm : link
It’s a bad look if he’s back in 2019 making more than Wentz. Let someone else overpay for Foles. Hopefully it’s not John Mara.
The Eagles will tag and trade Foles.  
robbieballs2003 : 1/13/2019 9:39 pm : link
There will be a taker.

And while Pederson is a goofball who loves ice cream he is 5 and 1 in two seasons in the playoffs.
RE: The Eagles will tag and trade Foles.  
BillKo : 1/13/2019 9:43 pm : link
In comment 14262248 robbieballs2003 said:
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There will be a taker.

And while Pederson is a goofball who loves ice cream he is 5 and 1 in two seasons in the playoffs.


4-1....and still a goof.
This is the second time today I saw tag and trade Foles  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/13/2019 9:45 pm : link
No GM should keep his job if you give up 1st round draft picks and pay Foles. One the eagles have zero leverage if they tag Foles. No one is trading for a guy they know the eagles would t keep. Two Foles is a middle of the road QB at his best with no real upside. We know what Nick Foles is.
RE: The Eagles will tag and trade Foles.  
MetsAreBack : 1/13/2019 9:47 pm : link
In comment 14262248 robbieballs2003 said:
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There will be a taker.

And while Pederson is a goofball who loves ice cream he is 5 and 1 in two seasons in the playoffs.


He threw four picks this postseason and scored 14.5 ppg. Someone is going to trade what exactly for a $20+ million franchise tag? They may try this route but it will hamstring their offseason for other positions and they won't get a day 1 pick for that contract anyway
RE: This is the second time today I saw tag and trade Foles  
robbieballs2003 : 1/13/2019 9:48 pm : link
In comment 14262259 Zeke's Alibi said:
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No GM should keep his job if you give up 1st round draft picks and pay Foles. One the eagles have zero leverage if they tag Foles. No one is trading for a guy they know the eagles would t keep. Two Foles is a middle of the road QB at his best with no real upside. We know what Nick Foles is.


Why does it have to be a first? Also, this was reported that the Eagles may do this so it isn't just made up.
Somebody gave up a 1st for Sam Bradford  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/13/2019 9:50 pm : link
Never underestimate that someone in the league is a sucker.
RE: RE: The Eagles will tag and trade Foles.  
robbieballs2003 : 1/13/2019 9:50 pm : link
In comment 14262260 MetsAreBack said:
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There will be a taker.

And while Pederson is a goofball who loves ice cream he is 5 and 1 in two seasons in the playoffs.



He threw four picks this postseason and scored 14.5 ppg. Someone is going to trade what exactly for a $20+ million franchise tag? They may try this route but it will hamstring their offseason for other positions and they won't get a day 1 pick for that contract anyway


The FT just allows the Eagles to retain his rights to trade him. If a team trades for him then they work out a long term deal not just a one year franchise deal.
RE: RE: RE: The Eagles will tag and trade Foles.  
MetsAreBack : 1/13/2019 9:56 pm : link
In comment 14262264 robbieballs2003 said:
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There will be a taker.

And while Pederson is a goofball who loves ice cream he is 5 and 1 in two seasons in the playoffs.



He threw four picks this postseason and scored 14.5 ppg. Someone is going to trade what exactly for a $20+ million franchise tag? They may try this route but it will hamstring their offseason for other positions and they won't get a day 1 pick for that contract anyway



The FT just allows the Eagles to retain his rights to trade him. If a team trades for him then they work out a long term deal not just a one year franchise deal.


Yes I know but timing wise it ties up their cap this offseason to acquire other positions. Plus it's not great value - they won't get much. Its why the Vikings didn't try to retain Keenum last offseason which I think is a reasonable comp.
Can't wait until Wentz gets  
St. Jimmy : 1/13/2019 9:59 pm : link
his second contract. They won't be plugging holes via free agency.
RE: RE: RE: RE: The Eagles will tag and trade Foles.  
robbieballs2003 : 1/13/2019 9:59 pm : link
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There will be a taker.

And while Pederson is a goofball who loves ice cream he is 5 and 1 in two seasons in the playoffs.



He threw four picks this postseason and scored 14.5 ppg. Someone is going to trade what exactly for a $20+ million franchise tag? They may try this route but it will hamstring their offseason for other positions and they won't get a day 1 pick for that contract anyway



The FT just allows the Eagles to retain his rights to trade him. If a team trades for him then they work out a long term deal not just a one year franchise deal.



Yes I know but timing wise it ties up their cap this offseason to acquire other positions. Plus it's not great value - they won't get much. Its why the Vikings didn't try to retain Keenum last offseason which I think is a reasonable comp.


Yes, that is a possibility but Alex Smith was traded before he was even allowed to be traded. Once it was allowed he was shipped to Washington. The same can happen with Foles. It doesn't have to be during FA.
True  
MetsAreBack : 1/13/2019 10:04 pm : link
But I'd be surprised if he returned Smith value -- which was a third rounder if I recall correctly. Doesn't have Smiths track record

And Giving a guy $20+ and hoping to get a third or fourth round pick out of it is a big gamble
RE: Can't wait until Wentz gets  
christian : 1/13/2019 10:04 pm : link
In comment 14262278 St. Jimmy said:
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his second contract. They won't be plugging holes via free agency.


Unlike the Saints and Patriots who don't sign free agents.
Fuck Foles.  
BigBlue in Keys : 1/13/2019 10:07 pm : link
Fuck the eagles.
The franchise tag for a QB was $23M in 2018  
Milton : 1/13/2019 10:10 pm : link
And is projected to be $25M in 2019. The money is guaranteed as soon as it is signed. Do you really think the Eagles will gamble that they can find a trading partner willing to offer Foles a contract more attractive than a $25M one year deal already guaranteed? Maybe. But what if they get stuck with him at that cost? They might be better off just letting him go free and getting a 3rd round comp pick for him in 2020.
RE: The franchise tag for a QB was $23M in 2018  
robbieballs2003 : 1/13/2019 10:15 pm : link
In comment 14262292 Milton said:
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And is projected to be $25M in 2019. The money is guaranteed as soon as it is signed. Do you really think the Eagles will gamble that they can find a trading partner willing to offer Foles a contract more attractive than a $25M one year deal already guaranteed? Maybe. But what if they get stuck with him at that cost? They might be better off just letting him go free and getting a 3rd round comp pick for him in 2020.


Trade discussions would happen well in advance of the Eagles applying the tag. It wouldn't really be a situation where they tag him and keep their fingers crossed someone calls.
RE: The franchise tag for a QB was $23M in 2018  
Sammo85 : 1/13/2019 10:16 pm : link
In comment 14262292 Milton said:
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And is projected to be $25M in 2019. The money is guaranteed as soon as it is signed. Do you really think the Eagles will gamble that they can find a trading partner willing to offer Foles a contract more attractive than a $25M one year deal already guaranteed? Maybe. But what if they get stuck with him at that cost? They might be better off just letting him go free and getting a 3rd round comp pick for him in 2020.


Yup. The latter is most logical. I don’t see the team willing to trade higher value for Foles and huge deal.
Also, the Eagles would most likely get a 3rd round comp  
robbieballs2003 : 1/13/2019 10:18 pm : link
pick in 2020 if Foles leaves without a tag this year so anything more than that would suffice. Any team with a third round pick this year would be better than a potential 3rd round pick in 2020. That is why I think a deal gets done.

And, come on? We all know that the Eagles make out in every situation. Their trades are ridiculous every year. Maybe that is because Miami helps them a ton but they've always been great at trading and getting value.
RE: Fuck Foles.  
St. Jimmy : 1/13/2019 10:19 pm : link
In comment 14262287 BigBlue in Keys said:
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Fuck the eagles.
B in ALB. Or should I say sir  
Earl the goat : 1/13/2019 10:21 pm : link
I was the bubble head who spoke about this two weeks ago
Foles will be a wanted commodity
Jax
Wash
Miami
Maybe Giants
Denver

Will get close to 100 million contract. Around 65 guaranteed
RE: RE: The franchise tag for a QB was $23M in 2018  
Milton : 1/13/2019 10:27 pm : link
In comment 14262296 robbieballs2003 said:
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Trade discussions would happen well in advance of the Eagles applying the tag. It wouldn't really be a situation where they tag him and keep their fingers crossed someone calls.
True enough but do you really think Foles is going to generate that level of interest? Would you offer him a multi-year deal with more than $25M guaranteed and give up more than a 3rd or 4th round pick as well? Has he really been that impressive? You don't think the league has learned from one hit wonders like Brock Osweiller and Blake Bortles? Foles is really just Ryan Fitzpatrick with a better defense.
RE: B in ALB. Or should I say sir  
B in ALB : 1/13/2019 10:28 pm : link
In comment 14262309 Earl the goat said:
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I was the bubble head who spoke about this two weeks ago
Foles will be a wanted commodity
Jax
Wash
Miami
Maybe Giants
Denver

Will get close to 100 million contract. Around 65 guaranteed


I'm sure you're right. But you also contended that the Giants be the team that signs him. I STILL vehemently disagree with that. Today's abysmal performance notwithstanding.
I don’t think they tag him  
UConn4523 : 1/13/2019 10:32 pm : link
and I’m not even sure if they can. Both sides can decline his option for 2019 and if Foles declines I’m not sure they’d even be allowed to tag him. But let’s say they can, it’s very risky if they don’t find a trade partner at that price.
RE: RE: RE: The franchise tag for a QB was $23M in 2018  
robbieballs2003 : 1/13/2019 10:33 pm : link
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Trade discussions would happen well in advance of the Eagles applying the tag. It wouldn't really be a situation where they tag him and keep their fingers crossed someone calls.

True enough but do you really think Foles is going to generate that level of interest? Would you offer him a multi-year deal with more than $25M guaranteed and give up more than a 3rd or 4th round pick as well? Has he really been that impressive? You don't think the league has learned from one hit wonders like Brock Osweiller and Blake Bortles? Foles is really just Ryan Fitzpatrick with a better defense.


Maybe, maybe not. But this is a draft that nobody is excited about with respect to the QBs. There are some guys that are worth taking a flyer on but not a guy you want to depend on going into the season as a starter outside of maybe one or two guys. More likely is the fact that a team wants a proven commodity. Foles has flaws but he has also played very well too. So, no, it wouldn't be crazy for a team to give up a third or second and give him a long term deal if they focus more on his highs. Would I do it? No but that doesn't mean another team wouldn't.
I get the Eagles hate  
Natek212 : 1/13/2019 11:00 pm : link
But Foles has proven he can play in this league. I'm not saying I want him on the Giants, but he's a big upgrade over Eli at this point in time.
Team has an option for something over 20mm  
Giant John : 1/13/2019 11:01 pm : link
For Nick. Wentz will be getting 8mm. I say the eagirls pick up the option for next year.
I also get the hate for the Eagles...  
EricJ : 1/13/2019 11:10 pm : link
and we had better enjoy their loss today because they have been a much better team than us for the past 6 years. Plus, their outlook at QB "long term" seems to be better than ours. After next season we don't know what will happen here.
RE: Team has an option for something over 20mm  
Scyber : 1/13/2019 11:14 pm : link
In comment 14262357 Giant John said:
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For Nick. Wentz will be getting 8mm. I say the eagirls pick up the option for next year.


Foles has a 2m buyout thought doesn't he? I wouldn't be surprised if he took that. He will probably be able to get a contract with 25m or more guaranteed.
The Reality of Foles  
Rafflee : 1/13/2019 11:23 pm : link
He's a very good QB at this point. I's ridiculous to question his upside given his sustained play over the past 2 years....Upside????.... He's a Superbowl MVP who carried last season's team and this year's Eagle team to the playoffs! He's 30 years old---he's had a decent career sabotaged by Jeff Fisher.

He'd fill Salary Cap..yes---he'd also play the position at a Winning level---Upside is demonstrated to be Championship QB

My only reservation is about Him Personally...is He willing to leave Philly. It may not be a money thing.
I brought up this exact same scenario yesterday  
GeorgeAdams33 : 1/14/2019 10:52 am : link
Great minds think alike

Don't tell arc
RE: The Reality of Foles  
Rong5611 : 1/14/2019 12:54 pm : link
I can think of $25 million reasons why he would leave Philly. I think the Giants need to think long and hard about obtaining Foles:

- He's 30, so he has some years left in him. No pressure to reach for a young QB (not saying they wouldn't) in 2019.

- He solidifies the QB position, the guy can play. He's battle tested.

- He knows Shurmur's system, the adjustment would be turnkey With our skill players (and added OL), our offense wouldn't miss a beat without Eli, might even be better.

- They can focus on building the offense around Saquan, meaning the OL. Build the D through the draft.

They need to think about it.

In comment 14262381 Rafflee said:
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He's a very good QB at this point. I's ridiculous to question his upside given his sustained play over the past 2 years....Upside????.... He's a Superbowl MVP who carried last season's team and this year's Eagle team to the playoffs! He's 30 years old---he's had a decent career sabotaged by Jeff Fisher.

He'd fill Salary Cap..yes---he'd also play the position at a Winning level---Upside is demonstrated to be Championship QB

My only reservation is about Him Personally...is He willing to leave Philly. It may not be a money thing.
RE: The Reality of Foles  
ArcadeSlumlord : 1/14/2019 1:26 pm : link
Why would he not want to join an offensive unit that includes OBJ, Saquon, Engram and Sheppard and a system that he is familiar with? Imagine Barkley and OBJ in an RPO system...

In comment 14262381 Rafflee said:
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He's a very good QB at this point. I's ridiculous to question his upside given his sustained play over the past 2 years....Upside????.... He's a Superbowl MVP who carried last season's team and this year's Eagle team to the playoffs! He's 30 years old---he's had a decent career sabotaged by Jeff Fisher.

He'd fill Salary Cap..yes---he'd also play the position at a Winning level---Upside is demonstrated to be Championship QB

My only reservation is about Him Personally...is He willing to leave Philly. It may not be a money thing.
I think Foles would want to call His own shot  
Rafflee : 1/14/2019 1:47 pm : link
And I believe he's earned that from Philly.... that is, he'd want FA not a trade

We don't KNOW these guys. He's said to be a deeply religious guy who has long term interests outside of Football. He's had his ride on a Magic Carpet---maybe he wants to go home and Preach... I don't know what makes him tick---He Can get lot's of money!
I just threw up in my mouth a little..  
moze1021 : 1/14/2019 2:05 pm : link
at the thought of Foles as a Giant.

No thank you. Anyone else. Literally anyone. Hell bring back Geno before you bring Foles in.

*living in Philly driving strong bias in this situation*
RE: I just threw up in my mouth a little..  
BillKo : 1/14/2019 2:31 pm : link
In comment 14263102 moze1021 said:
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at the thought of Foles as a Giant.

No thank you. Anyone else. Literally anyone. Hell bring back Geno before you bring Foles in.

*living in Philly driving strong bias in this situation*


haha....I said that this weekend to someone!

I'm always going to root for the Giants, but I will say, if Foles was the QB I will just waiting around to say "see, told ya so.........".

I just don't see him over the long haul.
What is exactly  
TommyWiseau : 1/14/2019 7:05 pm : link
the situation with Foles' contract? I thought he had to pay some money back to get out of the contract, can't he just do that after Franchise tags have to be designated? Or do the Eagles also have an out in his contract?
RE: What is exactly  
Eman11 : 1/14/2019 8:00 pm : link
In comment 14263441 TommyWiseau said:
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the situation with Foles' contract? I thought he had to pay some money back to get out of the contract, can't he just do that after Franchise tags have to be designated? Or do the Eagles also have an out in his contract?


Pretty sure the team and Foles both have an option in his deal. If they exercise the option he gets 20 mil for next season but he can then buy that out for 2mil and be a free agent or just stay for the 20.

I'm not sure if they can franchise him with the deal that's in place but even if they could they'd end up paying him more. Plus he'd be harder to trade because of the picks a team would have to give up if they signed him. I'm not sure of the cap hit if he's franchised as compared to just exercising the 20mil option.

Ideally I'm sure they'd like to sign him for the 20 and trade him for whatever they could get instead of just letting him walk but that seems risky as he could just buy it out and be a FA.

I'm sure there are some quirks in his deal I'm missing like a window for the Eagles to shop him or something but it's definitely not your average deal. I'm thinking they made it as an insurance thing in case Wentz got injured again and would miss time next year. They didn't want to be screwed and not have a good QB.
There is no way  
TrueBlue56 : 1/14/2019 9:58 pm : link
The eagles franchise tag foles. The eagles will be over the cap as it stands. Theyy will have to make moves just to get under it. They might be able to create some considerable cap room, but not nearly enough to be able to re-sign a few of their other free agents as well as make another addition or two.

Every nfl team knows the cap implications the eagles are facing and know the eagles will have to let him hit free agency. There is no reason to trade for him.
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