So it seems after tonight's "performance" against the Saints, things are easier for the gray-haired lilliputian goof ball with the flasher's long coat to let Foles move along and go with Wentz. It was certainly a foregone conclusion that CW is their guy, but what if Nick Foles had led the Eagles to another Super Bowl?
Would the decision be that simple had the Saints not exposed him?
Would Jeffy NOT entertain a trade for Wentz at that point?
It would be pretty hard to let a 2-time Super Bowl winner walk. (huh, that was weird)
What say you, my fellow happy Giants fans on this fine evening?
And while Pederson is a goofball who loves ice cream he is 5 and 1 in two seasons in the playoffs.
And while Pederson is a goofball who loves ice cream he is 5 and 1 in two seasons in the playoffs.
4-1....and still a goof.
And while Pederson is a goofball who loves ice cream he is 5 and 1 in two seasons in the playoffs.
He threw four picks this postseason and scored 14.5 ppg. Someone is going to trade what exactly for a $20+ million franchise tag? They may try this route but it will hamstring their offseason for other positions and they won't get a day 1 pick for that contract anyway
Why does it have to be a first? Also, this was reported that the Eagles may do this so it isn't just made up.
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There will be a taker.
And while Pederson is a goofball who loves ice cream he is 5 and 1 in two seasons in the playoffs.
He threw four picks this postseason and scored 14.5 ppg. Someone is going to trade what exactly for a $20+ million franchise tag? They may try this route but it will hamstring their offseason for other positions and they won't get a day 1 pick for that contract anyway
The FT just allows the Eagles to retain his rights to trade him. If a team trades for him then they work out a long term deal not just a one year franchise deal.
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There will be a taker.
And while Pederson is a goofball who loves ice cream he is 5 and 1 in two seasons in the playoffs.
He threw four picks this postseason and scored 14.5 ppg. Someone is going to trade what exactly for a $20+ million franchise tag? They may try this route but it will hamstring their offseason for other positions and they won't get a day 1 pick for that contract anyway
The FT just allows the Eagles to retain his rights to trade him. If a team trades for him then they work out a long term deal not just a one year franchise deal.
Yes I know but timing wise it ties up their cap this offseason to acquire other positions. Plus it's not great value - they won't get much. Its why the Vikings didn't try to retain Keenum last offseason which I think is a reasonable comp.
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In comment 14262248 robbieballs2003 said:
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There will be a taker.
And while Pederson is a goofball who loves ice cream he is 5 and 1 in two seasons in the playoffs.
He threw four picks this postseason and scored 14.5 ppg. Someone is going to trade what exactly for a $20+ million franchise tag? They may try this route but it will hamstring their offseason for other positions and they won't get a day 1 pick for that contract anyway
The FT just allows the Eagles to retain his rights to trade him. If a team trades for him then they work out a long term deal not just a one year franchise deal.
Yes I know but timing wise it ties up their cap this offseason to acquire other positions. Plus it's not great value - they won't get much. Its why the Vikings didn't try to retain Keenum last offseason which I think is a reasonable comp.
Yes, that is a possibility but Alex Smith was traded before he was even allowed to be traded. Once it was allowed he was shipped to Washington. The same can happen with Foles. It doesn't have to be during FA.
And Giving a guy $20+ and hoping to get a third or fourth round pick out of it is a big gamble
Unlike the Saints and Patriots who don't sign free agents.
Trade discussions would happen well in advance of the Eagles applying the tag. It wouldn't really be a situation where they tag him and keep their fingers crossed someone calls.
Yup. The latter is most logical. I don’t see the team willing to trade higher value for Foles and huge deal.
And, come on? We all know that the Eagles make out in every situation. Their trades are ridiculous every year. Maybe that is because Miami helps them a ton but they've always been great at trading and getting value.
Foles will be a wanted commodity
Jax
Wash
Miami
Maybe Giants
Denver
Will get close to 100 million contract. Around 65 guaranteed
Trade discussions would happen well in advance of the Eagles applying the tag. It wouldn't really be a situation where they tag him and keep their fingers crossed someone calls.
Foles will be a wanted commodity
Jax
Wash
Miami
Maybe Giants
Denver
Will get close to 100 million contract. Around 65 guaranteed
I'm sure you're right. But you also contended that the Giants be the team that signs him. I STILL vehemently disagree with that. Today's abysmal performance notwithstanding.
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Trade discussions would happen well in advance of the Eagles applying the tag. It wouldn't really be a situation where they tag him and keep their fingers crossed someone calls.
True enough but do you really think Foles is going to generate that level of interest? Would you offer him a multi-year deal with more than $25M guaranteed and give up more than a 3rd or 4th round pick as well? Has he really been that impressive? You don't think the league has learned from one hit wonders like Brock Osweiller and Blake Bortles? Foles is really just Ryan Fitzpatrick with a better defense.
Maybe, maybe not. But this is a draft that nobody is excited about with respect to the QBs. There are some guys that are worth taking a flyer on but not a guy you want to depend on going into the season as a starter outside of maybe one or two guys. More likely is the fact that a team wants a proven commodity. Foles has flaws but he has also played very well too. So, no, it wouldn't be crazy for a team to give up a third or second and give him a long term deal if they focus more on his highs. Would I do it? No but that doesn't mean another team wouldn't.
Foles has a 2m buyout thought doesn't he? I wouldn't be surprised if he took that. He will probably be able to get a contract with 25m or more guaranteed.
He'd fill Salary Cap..yes---he'd also play the position at a Winning level---Upside is demonstrated to be Championship QB
My only reservation is about Him Personally...is He willing to leave Philly. It may not be a money thing.
Don't tell arc
- He's 30, so he has some years left in him. No pressure to reach for a young QB (not saying they wouldn't) in 2019.
- He solidifies the QB position, the guy can play. He's battle tested.
- He knows Shurmur's system, the adjustment would be turnkey With our skill players (and added OL), our offense wouldn't miss a beat without Eli, might even be better.
- They can focus on building the offense around Saquan, meaning the OL. Build the D through the draft.
They need to think about it.
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He'd fill Salary Cap..yes---he'd also play the position at a Winning level---Upside is demonstrated to be Championship QB
My only reservation is about Him Personally...is He willing to leave Philly. It may not be a money thing.
In comment 14262381 Rafflee said:
He'd fill Salary Cap..yes---he'd also play the position at a Winning level---Upside is demonstrated to be Championship QB
My only reservation is about Him Personally...is He willing to leave Philly. It may not be a money thing.
We don't KNOW these guys. He's said to be a deeply religious guy who has long term interests outside of Football. He's had his ride on a Magic Carpet---maybe he wants to go home and Preach... I don't know what makes him tick---He Can get lot's of money!
No thank you. Anyone else. Literally anyone. Hell bring back Geno before you bring Foles in.
*living in Philly driving strong bias in this situation*
No thank you. Anyone else. Literally anyone. Hell bring back Geno before you bring Foles in.
*living in Philly driving strong bias in this situation*
haha....I said that this weekend to someone!
I'm always going to root for the Giants, but I will say, if Foles was the QB I will just waiting around to say "see, told ya so.........".
I just don't see him over the long haul.
Pretty sure the team and Foles both have an option in his deal. If they exercise the option he gets 20 mil for next season but he can then buy that out for 2mil and be a free agent or just stay for the 20.
I'm not sure if they can franchise him with the deal that's in place but even if they could they'd end up paying him more. Plus he'd be harder to trade because of the picks a team would have to give up if they signed him. I'm not sure of the cap hit if he's franchised as compared to just exercising the 20mil option.
Ideally I'm sure they'd like to sign him for the 20 and trade him for whatever they could get instead of just letting him walk but that seems risky as he could just buy it out and be a FA.
I'm sure there are some quirks in his deal I'm missing like a window for the Eagles to shop him or something but it's definitely not your average deal. I'm thinking they made it as an insurance thing in case Wentz got injured again and would miss time next year. They didn't want to be screwed and not have a good QB.
Every nfl team knows the cap implications the eagles are facing and know the eagles will have to let him hit free agency. There is no reason to trade for him.