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Big Rick in FL : 1/14/2019 11:11 am
Today is the last day that underclassmen can declare for the NFL Draft. I know Murray is the big name that most are waiting on. Does anybody else know who else could possibly declare today?

Was just reading Walterfootball's grades for underclassmen declaring. He gave Deionte Thompson an F and said that Thompson could possibly fall to the 3rd day. Also said Jonah Williams will be the 2nd OT taken behind the kid from Florida.
Linebacker Mack Wilson from Alabama  
barens : 1/14/2019 11:18 am : link
just made himself eligible for the NFL Draft. He maybe could have used another year, but all the physical traits are there.
TJ Hockenson  
Big Rick in FL : 1/14/2019 11:26 am : link
Also just declared. Won the Mackey award for the nation's top TE. Definitely wouldn't mind him in the 2nd round. Two TE sets with Engram & Hockenson would look awesome.
Devin White  
Big Rick in FL : 1/14/2019 11:35 am : link
Also declares for the draft. For some reason I thought he already did.
RE: Linebacker Mack Wilson from Alabama  
Anakim : 1/14/2019 11:50 am : link
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just made himself eligible for the NFL Draft. He maybe could have used another year, but all the physical traits are there.


Not a fan. Instincts are questionable and not a good tackler. Wouldn't look at him before Round 4.
RE: Devin White  
Anakim : 1/14/2019 11:50 am : link
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Also declares for the draft. For some reason I thought he already did.


My fourth best player in the entire Draft. I would absolutely consider him at 6 if he's there.
RE: TJ Hockenson  
Anakim : 1/14/2019 11:51 am : link
In comment 14262802 Big Rick in FL said:
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Also just declared. Won the Mackey award for the nation's top TE. Definitely wouldn't mind him in the 2nd round. Two TE sets with Engram & Hockenson would look awesome.


Don't know much about him, but many like him more than Noah Fant. Very deep year for TEs
Anak  
Big Rick in FL : 1/14/2019 12:00 pm : link
Devin White would definitely get serious consideration from me if he's there. He's awesome. I think he will be at that Kuechly & Bobby Wagner level.

If we don't go QB give me Josh Allen or Devin White.
RE: RE: Devin White  
Beer Man : 1/14/2019 12:14 pm : link
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Also declares for the draft. For some reason I thought he already did.



My fourth best player in the entire Draft. I would absolutely consider him at 6 if he's there.
Miller updated his rankings today, and has him at 4
Have Miller at 4 also  
jeff57 : 1/14/2019 12:15 pm : link
Behind Bose, Williams and Allen. But would be very in-Giant for them to take a ILB.
I want the best D player available  
Eman11 : 1/14/2019 12:23 pm : link
My preference is an ER but if a LB or CB who they have rated higher than who's left and who is a potential Pro Bowl player, I'm fine with that.

I'd rather have the higher rated D player than just an ER to fill a need but it would be great if the ER was the highest rated player on their board when it's their pick.
RE: Anak  
GiantGrit : 1/14/2019 1:46 pm : link
In comment 14262871 Big Rick in FL said:
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Devin White would definitely get serious consideration from me if he's there. He's awesome. I think he will be at that Kuechly & Bobby Wagner level.

If we don't go QB give me Josh Allen or Devin White.


This.

Will be (at least) a top 5 backer. Does everything. At 240, moves like he is 215. VIOLENT.

He is exactly what this defense needs right now - a play maker all over the field.
RE: RE: Devin White  
BleedBlue : 1/14/2019 3:07 pm : link
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Also declares for the draft. For some reason I thought he already did.



My fourth best player in the entire Draft. I would absolutely consider him at 6 if he's there.


Great minds think alike.

i love this kid. he plays seriously violent. reminds me of jarrad davis coming out. i think this kid will be better. he is fast for his size. i expect him to be a playmaker at the next level! would be happy with the pick at 6.
White  
OBJRoyal : 1/14/2019 3:25 pm : link
Jumps off the screen when you turn LSU on. Going to be a good one. Would not mind him in Giants blue
Im all about drafting Rashan Gary in round 1,  
barens : 1/14/2019 3:28 pm : link
and trading up in round 2 for Devin Bush.
RE: Im all about drafting Rashan Gary in round 1,  
Anakim : 1/14/2019 3:47 pm : link
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and trading up in round 2 for Devin Bush.


Gonna take a wild guess and say you're a fan of the team in Ann Arbor?
Gary never stood out  
jayg5 : 1/14/2019 3:55 pm : link
To me when watching Michigan but the guy will put on a show at the combine
RE: RE: Im all about drafting Rashan Gary in round 1,  
barens : 1/14/2019 4:07 pm : link
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and trading up in round 2 for Devin Bush.



Gonna take a wild guess and say you're a fan of the team in Ann Arbor?


Sure am, and while we are at it, throw in Chase Winovich in the 4th round. In all seriousness, I think Gary is going to blow up the combine, and be taken before 6.
RE: RE: RE: Im all about drafting Rashan Gary in round 1,  
Anakim : 1/14/2019 4:08 pm : link
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and trading up in round 2 for Devin Bush.



Gonna take a wild guess and say you're a fan of the team in Ann Arbor?



Sure am, and while we are at it, throw in Chase Winovich in the 4th round. In all seriousness, I think Gary is going to blow up the combine, and be taken before 6.


Gary will of course blow up the Combine. He's a freak athlete. Too bad his play didn't always reflect it.
No way Gettleman takes Gary at 6  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/14/2019 4:09 pm : link
when his tape doesn't match his athletic profile. Montez Sweat should definetly go before Gary. He's a freak and produced.
Kyler Murray  
jeff57 : 1/14/2019 4:22 pm : link
Made it official.
There appears to be more than  
idiotsavant : 1/14/2019 4:35 pm : link
Enough supply at front 7 to have an "in any other year first front 7er off the boards or an arguable overall top 3 or top 4 player" sitting there at 6 at a position of need.

And that includes DT.

Remember, the 'there are only so many on the planet' theory.
Regarding second round  
idiotsavant : 1/14/2019 4:50 pm : link
I wonder if the other Allen (Zach) could play OLB.
I mean  
idiotsavant : 1/14/2019 5:05 pm : link
Everyone knows he's going to the line anyway. But the question is where, how, and not giving up run gap integrity. Due to not skinny.

It's still not really a 4/3 due to how it's implemented.
In a situation like the Giants are in...  
Milton : 1/14/2019 6:16 pm : link
With the way the draft board is shaping up, the best strategy may be to take the BPA (most likely on defense) with the 6th pick and then trade back into the latter part of the first round to grab Daniel Jones, Drew Lock, or Will Grier--depending on which of the three is left and what kind of grade the Giants have on the guy (and assuming Haskins is long gone).

A combination of the Giants second round pick and a 4th and/or 5th round pick would put the Giants in the last two to four spots of the first round where the Rams, Chiefs, Patriots, and Packers (from the Saints) will be sitting. The Chiefs traded away their 2nd and 3rd round picks, so they could be in the market for trading out of the 1st round and picking up additional picks.

Not only would the Giants get their QB of the future in such a scenario, but he would cost only $10M over the first four years and include a bargain-priced 5th year option. Drew Lock in particular would be a steal. Not since Andrew Luck has there been a QB to enter the league with a name like his!
RE: Have Miller at 4 also  
BlueLou'sBack : 1/14/2019 9:48 pm : link
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Behind Bose, Williams and Allen. But would be very in-Giant for them to take a ILB.


You mean Miller has White as 4th best player? And what do you mean "in-Giant?"

It was almost a heresy under Jerry Reese, but under George Young and Parcells as coach the Giants loved drafting LBs with high draft picks, even when the LB position group was already the strongest one on the roster. We don't know yet what Gettlemen's tendencies will be, nor his preferences. He upset a lot of fans initially by drafting an RB at 2 overall, didn't he?

From the descriptions here, he sounds like the next Patrick Willis or Kuechely. I'd be down for that level ILB at 6 overall.
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barens : 1/14/2019 10:02 pm : link
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and trading up in round 2 for Devin Bush.



Gonna take a wild guess and say you're a fan of the team in Ann Arbor?



Sure am, and while we are at it, throw in Chase Winovich in the 4th round. In all seriousness, I think Gary is going to blow up the combine, and be taken before 6.



Gary will of course blow up the Combine. He's a freak athlete. Too bad his play didn't always reflect it.


I think his play reflected it last year as a true sophomore. This year, he was in and out of the lineup because of an injury, and because of that injury, he didnít look right against Notre Dame on opening night, and he gets a bad rap for that.

He didnít have freakish numbers, but if you watched him play, his motor and speed will jump out at you. He is a difference maker.
RE: In a situation like the Giants are in...  
SGMen : 1/14/2019 10:04 pm : link
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With the way the draft board is shaping up, the best strategy may be to take the BPA (most likely on defense) with the 6th pick and then trade back into the latter part of the first round to grab Daniel Jones, Drew Lock, or Will Grier--depending on which of the three is left and what kind of grade the Giants have on the guy (and assuming Haskins is long gone).

A combination of the Giants second round pick and a 4th and/or 5th round pick would put the Giants in the last two to four spots of the first round where the Rams, Chiefs, Patriots, and Packers (from the Saints) will be sitting. The Chiefs traded away their 2nd and 3rd round picks, so they could be in the market for trading out of the 1st round and picking up additional picks.

Not only would the Giants get their QB of the future in such a scenario, but he would cost only $10M over the first four years and include a bargain-priced 5th year option. Drew Lock in particular would be a steal. Not since Andrew Luck has there been a QB to enter the league with a name like his!
Gettleman will take the best player available regardless of position. The combine brings useful information, yes, but to me it is all about reviewing the game tapes and how they did when they played equal or better personnel.
I like QB's who have a body of work. This may not be the draft we take a QB an earlier than round 2.
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BlueLou'sBack : 1/14/2019 11:04 pm : link
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I like QB's who have a body of work. This may not be the draft we take a QB an earlier than round 2.


There are a few well regarded (by some) QBs with a serious body of work: Lock, Grier, and Jones to name 3.

The two QBs with only one year of work, blew the doors off their respective barns. A few of these guys will be 1st round picks, if not all of them. Most likely, it's a QB starved league.
I think we may trade up for Haskins.  
yatqb : 1/14/2019 11:15 pm : link
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SGMen : 1/14/2019 11:16 pm : link
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Quote: Gettleman will take the best player available regardless of position. The combine brings useful information, yes, but to me it is all about reviewing the game tapes and how they did when they played equal or better personnel.
I like QB's who have a body of work. This may not be the draft we take a QB an earlier than round 2.



There are a few well regarded (by some) QBs with a serious body of work: Lock, Grier, and Jones to name 3.

The two QBs with only one year of work, blew the doors off their respective barns. A few of these guys will be 1st round picks, if not all of them. Most likely, it's a QB starved league.
We are picking early in the 2nd round. If a QB is available late round and he is "high" on our draft board, maybe we see a trade. Remember, we don't have a 3rd round pick so our 2nd and a few other picks would need to go. God forbid we miss! But God forbid we don't try either.
At this point, I just don't know what to do. To move up with say the Jets and take Haskins, well, that would cost us a #1, #2 and other picks easy. Do we do that for a guy with one year under his belt? I'm just not sure.
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BlueLou'sBack : 1/15/2019 2:45 am : link
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We are picking early in the 2nd round. If a QB is available late round and he is "high" on our draft board, maybe we see a trade. Remember, we don't have a 3rd round pick so our 2nd and a few other picks would need to go. God forbid we miss! But God forbid we don't try either.
At this point, I just don't know what to do. To move up with say the Jets and take Haskins, well, that would cost us a #1, #2 and other picks easy. Do we do that for a guy with one year under his belt? I'm just not sure.


I agree it's not going to be a no brainer decision this year, as perhaps 2018 was. Lock has a gun and big upside and prototypical height. Grier has shown year over year improvement and at times looks like a young Joe Montana, very cool and quick to recognize where to distribute. Not a huge arm but enough, probably. Murray is a true wildcard, a more athletic Wilson V.2? Jones - not my choice and clearly needs developing, but size is there with some athleticism...

You don't want to reach for any of them, really. But you can't count on any of them getting past the Pats, either who need another Garapolo in the wings behind the GOAT.
No thanks on Gary at 6  
Big Rick in FL : 1/15/2019 7:45 am : link
Haskins, Josh Allen or Devin White. Either get your QB or the top rated defender.
RE: Anak  
LauderdaleMatty : 1/15/2019 10:39 am : link
In comment 14262871 Big Rick in FL said:
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Devin White would definitely get serious consideration from me if he's there. He's awesome. I think he will be at that Kuechly & Bobby Wagner level.

If we don't go QB give me Josh Allen or Devin White.


Reese passed on Wagner. I pray Gettleman doesn't have the same
Positional blinders. They need top tier talent. White should be In the conversation.
I rather Devin Bush  
dep026 : 1/15/2019 10:41 am : link
than Rashan Gary as a Michigan fan. I am not sure where Gary fits on our line. He is not an edge. He is a 4-3 DE, IMO.
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Anakim : 1/15/2019 12:12 pm : link
Jordan Reid
‏@JReidNFL

#DraftNotes: Kentucky EDGE Josh Allen is from New Jersey and originally committed to Monmouth because his mom wanted him to stay closer to home. Rutgers was his dream school, but they felt that he wasnít good enough to play there. Mark Stoops quickly came in and stole him away.
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LauderdaleMatty : 1/15/2019 6:14 pm : link
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Jordan Reid
‏@JReidNFL

#DraftNotes: Kentucky EDGE Josh Allen is from New Jersey and originally committed to Monmouth because his mom wanted him to stay closer to home. Rutgers was his dream school, but they felt that he wasnít good enough to play there. Mark Stoops quickly came in and stole him away.


Kyle Flood was better by the Montclair coach to give him a shot. Yeah
RE: RE: Anak  
speedywheels : 1/15/2019 6:42 pm : link
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Devin White would definitely get serious consideration from me if he's there. He's awesome. I think he will be at that Kuechly & Bobby Wagner level.

If we don't go QB give me Josh Allen or Devin White.



Reese passed on Wagner. I pray Gettleman doesn't have the same
Positional blinders. They need top tier talent. White should be In the conversation.


I think NYG may be more inclined to go ILB now that they are a 3-4.
It's all about how outstanding or unusual the player is at 6  
idiotsavant : 1/15/2019 7:06 pm : link
But it's looking highly likely that your so called pure BPA will be a front 7 defender. And that's need also .

The question then is.. which one?

It's mildly amusing how the usual BPA crowd is talking QB at 6 right now..when nobody has those values at that position.
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