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New CBS Sports mock draft: Giants take Kyler Murray

BlueLou'sBack : 1/14/2019 3:28 pm
at 6. I doubt it, but aside from size Murray prolly fits Shurmur to a T.

Of note, this mock has Jags jumping the Giants to nab Haskins at 2, Murray at 6, Jones to Broncos at 10 and Lock at 11 to 'Skins in trade up with Bengals.

Mocks are crazily speculative at this point in time, linked below.
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If the Giants..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/14/2019 3:30 pm : link
take Murray, I'll shit in my Duluth Trading Company boxers every day for a year to test the no stink claim out
I think there's little if any chance of that  
Heisenberg : 1/14/2019 3:31 pm : link
but hooo boy. Explosive athletes on offense.
would  
BleedBlue : 1/14/2019 3:31 pm : link
be down for it! murray and barkley in the same backfield...wow be exciting
As much as I like Kyler Murray  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/14/2019 3:31 pm : link
Does Dave Gettleman strike you as this forward thinking guy who'd risk taking Murray at 6. I'll join the Fatman if that happens.
why  
BleedBlue : 1/14/2019 3:31 pm : link
are people saying it isnt likelhy???

do you think he goes higher? or you think giants wont take him because of height?
There is no way in hell...  
bw in dc : 1/14/2019 3:31 pm : link
the stodgy old men at Jints Central climb out of their box and do something this unique.

That would take breaking decades and decades of the "Giants Way" to be that courageous.

Whoever did that mock draft must have been  
JCin332 : 1/14/2019 3:32 pm : link
hitting Blue Lou's wine hard all day...
RE: As much as I like Kyler Murray  
Heisenberg : 1/14/2019 3:33 pm : link
In comment 14263240 Zeke's Alibi said:
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Does Dave Gettleman strike you as this forward thinking guy who'd risk taking Murray at 6. I'll join the Fatman if that happens.


How many people can shit in FMIC's boxers at a time?
Louis Riddick had a good point yesterday on NFL Live  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/14/2019 3:34 pm : link
He said what holds back scouts on guys like him are the fear of guys outside protypical measurements. So this way when they don't pan out they can point to the measurable and be like well he fit the profile. When you strike out on a guy like Kyler Murray it will cost you your job where as if you strike out on someone like Daniel Jones the sentiment will be well he checked most the boxes, busts happen.
RE: If the Giants..  
BlueLou'sBack : 1/14/2019 3:35 pm : link
In comment 14263236 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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take Murray, I'll shit in my Duluth Trading Company boxers every day for a year to test the no stink claim out


Another CBS mock by another author has the Giants grabbing the 340# DT out of Clemson, Williams?, who didn't play vs Bama due to suspension. That's 150# plus difference of opinion
RE: why  
Ssanders9816 : 1/14/2019 3:35 pm : link
In comment 14263241 BleedBlue said:
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are people saying it isnt likelhy???

do you think he goes higher? or you think giants wont take him because of height?


He’s way too short, not a risk I see the Giants taking.
Maybe it’s me overreacting  
dep026 : 1/14/2019 3:35 pm : link
But the A’s bent over backwards for this kid and he committed to them, signing a contract and promising him he was playing 1 more year of football.

This to me is a low ball move. I guess he has the right to do it. But who’s to say he won’t change his mind back again after 1 year in the NFL?
RE: RE: why  
BleedBlue : 1/14/2019 3:37 pm : link
In comment 14263248 Ssanders9816 said:
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are people saying it isnt likelhy???

do you think he goes higher? or you think giants wont take him because of height?



He’s way too short, not a risk I see the Giants taking.


he is what an inch shorter than mayfield/wilson/etc

im more worried about his thin frame, not sure he can put on more weight/muscle.

that being said this kid can sling it. id be interested in seeing how he measures at combine before passing judgement but damn the though of him and barkley is flat out exciting
RE: Louis Riddick had a good point yesterday on NFL Live  
bw in dc : 1/14/2019 3:37 pm : link
In comment 14263245 Zeke's Alibi said:
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He said what holds back scouts on guys like him are the fear of guys outside protypical measurements. So this way when they don't pan out they can point to the measurable and be like well he fit the profile. When you strike out on a guy like Kyler Murray it will cost you your job where as if you strike out on someone like Daniel Jones the sentiment will be well he checked most the boxes, busts happen.


Spot on. Belichick is bold. Maybe he would take this type of chance...
murray  
jurban : 1/14/2019 3:37 pm : link
no no and then no
A more intriguing..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/14/2019 3:40 pm : link
commentary would be how dense "Jints Central" is to take a guy who may forego a football career to play baseball

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There is no way in hell...
bw in dc : 3:31 pm : link : reply
the stodgy old men at Jints Central climb out of their box and do something this unique.

That would take breaking decades and decades of the "Giants Way" to be that courageous.


Courage wouldn't be the adjective used by the chronically miffed.
I want to see how tall he actually is. We'll find out when the  
Ira : 1/14/2019 3:40 pm : link
Combine starts.
RE: RE: RE: why  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/14/2019 3:41 pm : link
In comment 14263253 BleedBlue said:
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In comment 14263241 BleedBlue said:


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are people saying it isnt likelhy???

do you think he goes higher? or you think giants wont take him because of height?



He’s way too short, not a risk I see the Giants taking.



he is what an inch shorter than mayfield/wilson/etc

im more worried about his thin frame, not sure he can put on more weight/muscle.

that being said this kid can sling it. id be interested in seeing how he measures at combine before passing judgement but damn the though of him and barkley is flat out exciting


Yeh his height really isn't the issue. Especially with his baseball background he can find throwing windows similar to what you see with Mahomes. The real issue is it's hard to look at the guy and put another 15 lbs on him. I'd peg him 5 9 185.
RE: RE: RE: why  
Ssanders9816 : 1/14/2019 3:41 pm : link
In comment 14263253 BleedBlue said:
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In comment 14263241 BleedBlue said:


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are people saying it isnt likelhy???

do you think he goes higher? or you think giants wont take him because of height?



He’s way too short, not a risk I see the Giants taking.



he is what an inch shorter than mayfield/wilson/etc

im more worried about his thin frame, not sure he can put on more weight/muscle.

that being said this kid can sling it. id be interested in seeing how he measures at combine before passing judgement but damn the though of him and barkley is flat out exciting


Oh I’m with you, I think he’s a fantastic player and I will root for him.
RE: I want to see how tall he actually is. We'll find out when the  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/14/2019 3:42 pm : link
In comment 14263259 Ira said:
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Combine starts.


I thought it was common knowledge he's 5 9. He was measured at baseball combine I heard.
Fuck it  
SHO'NUFF : 1/14/2019 3:42 pm : link
Do it just because our drafting has been shit by following ownership's wishes... time to think outside the box.
I can see Snyder taking Murray  
BlueLou'sBack : 1/14/2019 3:42 pm : link
to the Redskins with their #1, assuming Smith is done for good or at least all of 19.
RE: A more intriguing..  
Bill L : 1/14/2019 3:44 pm : link
In comment 14263257 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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commentary would be how dense "Jints Central" is to take a guy who may forego a football career to play baseball



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There is no way in hell...
bw in dc : 3:31 pm : link : reply
the stodgy old men at Jints Central climb out of their box and do something this unique.

That would take breaking decades and decades of the "Giants Way" to be that courageous.



Courage wouldn't be the adjective used by the chronically miffed.


Absolutely. The height doesn't bother me as much as the inevitability of picking air. Talk about a wasted pick. It wouldn't be QB hell so much as purgatory or even fantasy.
RE: A more intriguing..  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/14/2019 3:44 pm : link
In comment 14263257 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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commentary would be how dense "Jints Central" is to take a guy who may forego a football career to play baseball



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There is no way in hell...
bw in dc : 3:31 pm : link : reply
the stodgy old men at Jints Central climb out of their box and do something this unique.

That would take breaking decades and decades of the "Giants Way" to be that courageous.



Courage wouldn't be the adjective used by the chronically miffed.


Yeh I originally thought Murray had all the leverage here but now I'm not sure, especially if he picks football. Scouts will definitely ding him because let's say the A's ponied up. Does he take that contract? It doesn't scream that this is a guy that loves football more than baseball whcih has been the narrative.
...  
BleedBlue : 1/14/2019 3:45 pm : link
i think everyone here should be prepared. this is possible...yea he is 5'9, but he will prob weigh in around 190-195. kid has a rocket arm. i wouldnt mind seeing it
...  
BleedBlue : 1/14/2019 3:47 pm : link
he has officially declared btw.

AMPED!!!
Just thinking of  
Gman11 : 1/14/2019 3:47 pm : link
a kid 185 pounds getting sacked by some guy that weighs 320 and seeing a stretcher coming onto the field.
RE: RE: I want to see how tall he actually is. We'll find out when the  
Ssanders9816 : 1/14/2019 3:48 pm : link
In comment 14263262 Zeke's Alibi said:
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Combine starts.



I thought it was common knowledge he's 5 9. He was measured at baseball combine I heard.


Does baseball even have a combine? I can’t find anything about it. But he’s listed at 5’10’’ most sites i can find..
The other x factor with him is his potential as a weapon  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/14/2019 3:48 pm : link
Guy is an athlete and with a solid combine he is no doubt a 1st Round Pick just based on what he can supplement your offense with even if ultimately isn't the QB position.
imagine Murray  
SHO'NUFF : 1/14/2019 3:49 pm : link
Barkley, OBJ and Engram on the same field together... that's a LOT of speed.
RE: imagine Murray  
BleedBlue : 1/14/2019 3:49 pm : link
In comment 14263279 SHO'NUFF said:
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Barkley, OBJ and Engram on the same field together... that's a LOT of speed.


now get some more big men up front and we good offensively....gotta score 50 per with our defense right now tho haha
RE: RE: RE: I want to see how tall he actually is. We'll find out when the  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/14/2019 3:51 pm : link
In comment 14263277 Ssanders9816 said:
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Combine starts.



I thought it was common knowledge he's 5 9. He was measured at baseball combine I heard.



Does baseball even have a combine? I can’t find anything about it. But he’s listed at 5’10’’ most sites i can find..


An espn baseball article has him at 5 9. If the football team is listing him at 5 10 you can almost book that he is 5 9.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I want to see how tall he actually is. We'll find out when the  
bw in dc : 1/14/2019 3:52 pm : link
In comment 14263283 Zeke's Alibi said:
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An espn baseball article has him at 5 9. If the football team is listing him at 5 10 you can almost book that he is 5 9.


Right. The OU football roster has Murray at 5'10", 195.

Just LOL stuff...
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arcarsenal : 1/14/2019 3:53 pm : link
I won't be mad if we take Murray - the athleticism and arm are exciting. I just think the size is a problem, personally. It's not just the height. It's the weight too. He probably weighs about 190 on a good day. There is not one QB playing in this league under 200 lbs right now. Even wiry Lamar Jackson is about 15lbs heavier than Murray.

I like Haskins more. I think he's a more sustainable NFL prospect and a guy who can play QB for you for a decade. Murray is too gadgety and I don't know if I see the longevity.

QB is a major investment. If you have questions about longevity and durability, it's probably wise to not go down that road. I don't know how Gettleman and Shurmur feel about Murray - but I have a feeling they will also prefer Haskins if given the option.
If DG takes ANY QB in this class  
The_Boss : 1/14/2019 3:53 pm : link
I’m punching a hole through my television. If he didn’t like any of the guys last year, how the fuck is he gonna like any of these guys???
I"m A Secret Member of "Jints Central"  
clatterbuck : 1/14/2019 3:53 pm : link
and we're not taking this kid at #6. To use a term of art around here, "Book it."
Kyle Murray  
Canton : 1/14/2019 3:54 pm : link
Great highlight video
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RE: I  
Ssanders9816 : 1/14/2019 3:56 pm : link
In comment 14263289 clatterbuck said:
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and we're not taking this kid at #6. To use a term of art around here, "Book it."


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I'll be curious to see how he checks the boxes for scouts,  
barens : 1/14/2019 3:59 pm : link
because besides the height, and the question mark about baseball, there are some small things that make you raise your eyebrows. His original transfer from Texas A&M was a head scratcher, and he was suspended for a half of football this year.
Wonder if he'll go to the combine?  
Heisenberg : 1/14/2019 4:00 pm : link
Measurements and workout there would be huge for this guy.
RE: Wonder if he'll go to the combine?  
BleedBlue : 1/14/2019 4:03 pm : link
In comment 14263296 Heisenberg said:
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Measurements and workout there would be huge for this guy.


he def will. he knows its a weak QB class(prob part of reason he has chosen football)

he knows if he tests well(he should) he could be first one chosen and a team in top 5 either natural or by trade up could force the QB pick.

Uh.  
AcidTest : 1/14/2019 4:04 pm : link
No. Too many sportswriters assume we'll take a QB because we didn't one last year. Murray is also a pick that will generate conversation and debate.
RE: If DG takes ANY QB in this class  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/14/2019 4:05 pm : link
In comment 14263288 The_Boss said:
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I’m punching a hole through my television. If he didn’t like any of the guys last year, how the fuck is he gonna like any of these guys???


Because none of these guys we are looking at are the prospect that Saquon Barkley was. How is Haskins not comparable as prospect to Darnold (turnover machine), Rosen (Injury, Poor Record), Allen (accuracy issues).
I don't think he will play football  
Dnew15 : 1/14/2019 4:05 pm : link
but if he does..I don't think he'll make it to #6. I think the Cards take him #1 and deal Rosen.
RE: I don't think he will play football  
BleedBlue : 1/14/2019 4:07 pm : link
In comment 14263302 Dnew15 said:
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but if he does..I don't think he'll make it to #6. I think the Cards take him #1 and deal Rosen.


well then we should be on the phone with zona. give em #38 and a 2020 second rounder(conditional)

then take best defender at #6
DG never said he did not like any of last years QBs  
George from PA : 1/14/2019 4:08 pm : link
He just liked Barkley more....
NFL DRAFT SCOUT  
BlueLou'sBack : 1/14/2019 4:08 pm : link
Has him at 5-09.6 and 195#.

They also predict him to run a 4.42 40 +/- 0.1 sec. IE, 4.32-4.52. He throws better than Jackson, no?
RE: NFL DRAFT SCOUT  
BleedBlue : 1/14/2019 4:09 pm : link
In comment 14263308 BlueLou'sBack said:
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Has him at 5-09.6 and 195#.

They also predict him to run a 4.42 40 +/- 0.1 sec. IE, 4.32-4.52. He throws better than Jackson, no?


he is definitely a better passer than jackson in terms of accuracy. both have strong arms
Lock of Haskins  
nzyme : 1/14/2019 4:10 pm : link
No way in hell I would draft this kid. He does not do the presnap reads that Haskins does and does go through his progressions like Lock does. NO FREAKING WAY!!!!
RE: Maybe it’s me overreacting  
BillKo : 1/14/2019 4:12 pm : link
In comment 14263250 dep026 said:
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But the A’s bent over backwards for this kid and he committed to them, signing a contract and promising him he was playing 1 more year of football.

This to me is a low ball move. I guess he has the right to do it. But who’s to say he won’t change his mind back again after 1 year in the NFL?


That's why an NFL team would be reluctant to spend this high a pick on him........always has the option to try something else when things don't go exactly right.
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