at 6. I doubt it, but aside from size Murray prolly fits Shurmur to a T.
Of note, this mock has Jags jumping the Giants to nab Haskins at 2, Murray at 6, Jones to Broncos at 10 and Lock at 11 to 'Skins in trade up with Bengals.
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Murray sort of addresses the line in a lame way (more elusive) and the QB issue (if he pans out). But DG would be betting his job on the kid. If he doesn't pan out the franchise is set back for 2-3 years, and if the team is still struggling then, DG will be gone and they'll almost certainly clean house again.
Haskins looks like a top prospect, he passes the eye test, he's kind of a safe pick. Much more Giants-like. I don't think either is really a safe pick, but Haskins is safer.
Baker Mayfield measured 6' 5/8 inch at the combine.
If Murray is 5' 9 inches then he is over 3 1/2 inches shorter than Mayfield.
It will be real interesting to see what he measures at.
Baker Mayfield measured 6' 5/8 inch at the combine.
If Murray is 5' 9 inches then he is over 3 1/2 inches shorter than Mayfield.
It will be real interesting to see what he measures at.
I would bet he's under 5'9" when he's official measured if he makes it to the Combine.
oh wait...
I like coaches being progressive and forward thinking, but contrary to public opinion you can teach speed, what you absolutely can't teach is height.
That would take breaking decades and decades of the "Giants Way" to be that courageous.
Wellington did play Tarkenton and Gary Wood
Hahah! Instagram live that!
Great if they could take him in the 2nd.
Great if they could take him in the 2nd.
He sat out as a transfer.
Does that scout mean the same offense/team/oline (most) that Mayfield played with?
Exciting college player. A lot of questions as a pro.
They must know he's got a 90%+ chance to go in round one.
Exciting college player. A lot of questions as a pro.
I agree. Man, it's so hard to properly scout a QB due to the huge difference between college & the NFL.
Suffice to say, I think the Giants kick the Qb can down the road another year.
It's the ideal year to get out of that six hole and move down. And then consider Lock.
It's the ideal year to get out of that six hole and move down. And then consider Lock.
FWIW Ben Allbright keeps talking about Lock to the Broncos. He's really plugged in with that organization and usually has a good sense for their thinking. It's early and a lot can change but figured I'd mention it.
hmmm
He is one hell of an intriguing prospect as he has the physical tools closest to Mahomes than anyone in this draft, and that is damn sexy. But I’m with you on the 5’9” (or less). I just don’t see it happening. Damn I love draft talk.
It was worse than that. Most guys had him mocked late first or in the second this time last year.
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I agree. It doesn't take much imagination to see Lock as a more athletic, talented Eli Manning.
It's the ideal year to get out of that six hole and move down. And then consider Lock.
FWIW Ben Allbright keeps talking about Lock to the Broncos. He's really plugged in with that organization and usually has a good sense for their thinking. It's early and a lot can change but figured I'd mention it.
I really liked Lock a lot and thought he is a sure top 15 pick until I watched his tape vs. Bama this year. Yeah his team was overwhelmed, much like Darnold's USC teams were. But dang he came apart against them in the worst ways.
Still his arm and throwing accuracy for the most part are intriguing, as is his lightning quick release.
I wouldn't be opposed to either as they are the only QB's I want for the Giants along with Tyree Jackson on day two.
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Or is there some other factor in regards to height?
Did he have his helmet on? ;)
Or is there some other factor in regards to height?
His height doesn't bother me. I am most concerned about his dedication to football. Which sport does he prefer? If he convinces the Giants that he is 100% committed to football then I would be in full support of drafting him.
Or is there some other factor in regards to height?
It's harder to play a pocket passing game with QB's this small - a lot of passes will get knocked down @ the LOS and he's going to have a hard time seeing the entire field in general.
It's easier for a player like Murray to be a weapon in college because the college game has more spread concepts and more ways to get him out in space in places where he can use his athleticism and see more of the field.
More of these college concepts are creeping into the NFL, so I have more faith in Murray working out in 2019+ than I would 10-20 years ago, sure. But it's still a risk and it's not just about the height. He's under 200lbs right now and there's no guy in the NFL playing QB that light.
Of course, he can add weight - but not everyone has the same frame. And we don't know how adding 15-20lbs will impact his athleticism. So, it's most certainly a risk.
I'm not crazy about Daniel Jones or Drew Lock. I'd take a shot on Murray before I drafted either of those guys. Grier's arm strength I'm also a little iffy on.
Haskins has the arm I'm looking for. I don't care where you play college ball - when you complete 70%+ of your passes and throw 50 TD passes, you're doing something right. He can make the big boy throws and has more traditional size.
This is the type of QB I think you can roll with for a decade+
I can't see Murray having the same longevity.
I'm not crazy about Daniel Jones or Drew Lock. I'd take a shot on Murray before I drafted either of those guys. Grier's arm strength I'm also a little iffy on.
Haskins has the arm I'm looking for. I don't care where you play college ball - when you complete 70%+ of your passes and throw 50 TD passes, you're doing something right. He can make the big boy throws and has more traditional size.
This is the type of QB I think you can roll with for a decade+
I can't see Murray having the same longevity.
Haskins has tremendous accuracy in the short and intermediate game which is paramount in today's NFL. Pretty much why Eli's game hasn't aged particularly well.
More of these college concepts are creeping into the NFL, so I have more faith in Murray working out in 2019+ than I would 10-20 years ago, sure. But it's still a risk and it's not just about the height. He's under 200lbs right now and there's no guy in the NFL playing QB that light.
Of course, he can add weight - but not everyone has the same frame. And we don't know how adding 15-20lbs will impact his athleticism. So, it's most certainly a risk.
There was a QB from Georgia Southern back in the late '80s named Tracy Ham. He was an incredible play maker who won two 1-AA championships.
I think he was 5'10'. Built a bit sturdier than Murray, but able to do some incredible things throwing and running. One of the most amazing dual threat QBs I have ever seen. Not the thrower Murray is but there are similarities.
Anyway, Ham got drafted by the Rams like in the 20th round. But back then the NFL wasn't ready for that skill set. So I recall talk of converting him to RB.
Well, the NFL didn't pan out. Ham went to the CFL and just killed it. Won a few MVPs and Grey Cups. Was almost unstoppable. It got me thinking how crazy good someone with Murray's skills would do in Canada. He would be an instant superstar. More space to work with and more movement allowed ...It would be one helluva show...
The kid can also toss it, albeit from the shotgun/spread. I'm intrigued.
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More of these college concepts are creeping into the NFL, so I have more faith in Murray working out in 2019+ than I would 10-20 years ago, sure. But it's still a risk and it's not just about the height. He's under 200lbs right now and there's no guy in the NFL playing QB that light.
Of course, he can add weight - but not everyone has the same frame. And we don't know how adding 15-20lbs will impact his athleticism. So, it's most certainly a risk.
There was a QB from Georgia Southern back in the late '80s named Tracy Ham. He was an incredible play maker who won two 1-AA championships.
I think he was 5'10'. Built a bit sturdier than Murray, but able to do some incredible things throwing and running. One of the most amazing dual threat QBs I have ever seen. Not the thrower Murray is but there are similarities.
Anyway, Ham got drafted by the Rams like in the 20th round. But back then the NFL wasn't ready for that skill set. So I recall talk of converting him to RB.
Well, the NFL didn't pan out. Ham went to the CFL and just killed it. Won a few MVPs and Grey Cups. Was almost unstoppable. It got me thinking how crazy good someone with Murray's skills would do in Canada. He would be an instant superstar. More space to work with and more movement allowed ...It would be one helluva show...
Showing your age a bit, Bee Dubs :)
Interesting stuff. Definitely a few years before my time as an avid football fan, so I don't recall it.
But I agree - Murray playing up north would probably be fireworks. He's tailor made for that game.
I'm not crazy about Daniel Jones or Drew Lock. I'd take a shot on Murray before I drafted either of those guys. Grier's arm strength I'm also a little iffy on.
Haskins has the arm I'm looking for. I don't care where you play college ball - when you complete 70%+ of your passes and throw 50 TD passes, you're doing something right. He can make the big boy throws and has more traditional size.
This is the type of QB I think you can roll with for a decade+
I can't see Murray having the same longevity.
I'm warming up to Haskins as well. I think he could be a real good QB for us with Barkley, Beckham, Engram, and Shepard. It would also allow the Giants to move on from Eli and have the benefit of paying their starting QB well below market value for 5 years. That is a big advantage as we have seen recently with the Eagles, Rams, Chiefs, Texans, Seahawks, etc.
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Personally, I want Haskins - I think I'm pretty set on him being my guy as far as QB's go in this class.
I'm not crazy about Daniel Jones or Drew Lock. I'd take a shot on Murray before I drafted either of those guys. Grier's arm strength I'm also a little iffy on.
Haskins has the arm I'm looking for. I don't care where you play college ball - when you complete 70%+ of your passes and throw 50 TD passes, you're doing something right. He can make the big boy throws and has more traditional size.
This is the type of QB I think you can roll with for a decade+
I can't see Murray having the same longevity.
Haskins has tremendous accuracy in the short and intermediate game which is paramount in today's NFL. Pretty much why Eli's game hasn't aged particularly well.
Yep, and he can throw down the field, too. I saw someone compare him to Geno Smith here recently - I guess when you have two black QB's who are the same size that's what happens - but I think Haskins' arm is far better than Smith's.
Smith was a very lateral passer @ WVU - it seemed like he was always throwing behind the sticks and rarely challenging teams down the field.
WIth Haskins, I see a vertical arm that can sling it deep - and not just in the middle of the football field.
Haskins is a super effective PA passer out of the shotgun - which is something I saw Shurmur do more of in Minnesota with Keenum but not quite as much with Eli - presumably because Eli is more comfortable under center and we went much less shotgun heavy later in the year. I think he'd love to run more of that with Haskins.
He can throw WR's open. Fantastic short game accuracy, strong arm and giddyup on the ball. Sees the field really well.
He's not a scrambler, but he'll move when he needs to. He also got better in the face of pressure as the year progressed.
You'd prefer that he had more than 1 year of starting experience under his belt - but given that lack of experience, Haskins is pretty advanced as a passer.
All aboard!
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Personally, I want Haskins - I think I'm pretty set on him being my guy as far as QB's go in this class.
I'm not crazy about Daniel Jones or Drew Lock. I'd take a shot on Murray before I drafted either of those guys. Grier's arm strength I'm also a little iffy on.
Haskins has the arm I'm looking for. I don't care where you play college ball - when you complete 70%+ of your passes and throw 50 TD passes, you're doing something right. He can make the big boy throws and has more traditional size.
This is the type of QB I think you can roll with for a decade+
I can't see Murray having the same longevity.
I'm warming up to Haskins as well. I think he could be a real good QB for us with Barkley, Beckham, Engram, and Shepard. It would also allow the Giants to move on from Eli and have the benefit of paying their starting QB well below market value for 5 years. That is a big advantage as we have seen recently with the Eagles, Rams, Chiefs, Texans, Seahawks, etc.
I think Shurmur would do really, really well with Haskins.
Showing your age a bit, Bee Dubs :)
Interesting stuff. Definitely a few years before my time as an avid football fan, so I don't recall it.
But I agree - Murray playing up north would probably be fireworks. He's tailor made for that game.
I was a teenager and remember reading about him in SI. ESPN showed the 1-AA semis and finals so I got interested and watched. Ham was a magician.
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Personally, I want Haskins - I think I'm pretty set on him being my guy as far as QB's go in this class.
I'm not crazy about Daniel Jones or Drew Lock. I'd take a shot on Murray before I drafted either of those guys. Grier's arm strength I'm also a little iffy on.
Haskins has the arm I'm looking for. I don't care where you play college ball - when you complete 70%+ of your passes and throw 50 TD passes, you're doing something right. He can make the big boy throws and has more traditional size.
This is the type of QB I think you can roll with for a decade+
I can't see Murray having the same longevity.
I'm warming up to Haskins as well. I think he could be a real good QB for us with Barkley, Beckham, Engram, and Shepard. It would also allow the Giants to move on from Eli and have the benefit of paying their starting QB well below market value for 5 years. That is a big advantage as we have seen recently with the Eagles, Rams, Chiefs, Texans, Seahawks, etc.
I think Shurmur would do really, really well with Haskins.
I would love to see the reaction of a certain poster who has guaranteed on numerous threads that Haskins will not be a Giant.
If Murray got picked at #6 overall he is gonna play football. You make a lot more money playing football early on. It would take him awhile to get paid the mega bucks baseball has to offer.
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