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Arctic Blasts predicted for NE-KC

dep026 : 1/14/2019 8:22 pm
Temperatures expected below zero at kickoff and Arctic blasts throughout the game.

Can someone tell me what the hell an “arctic blast” is?
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KC  
Dr. D : 1/15/2019 8:50 am : link
Has the kind of home field advantage i wish we had.

That's not a knock against our fanbase.

A lot of it's the stadium design (older, seats closer to field, less corp. luxury boxes).
KC..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/15/2019 8:55 am : link
may win, but I can't see NE getting "smoked", especially in poor weather.

They can use the running game or short passes to RB's all day long against the KC D.

The few times the Colts tried to run, they had yardage - but they ended up trying to go downfield repeatedly.
RE: KC..  
Ssanders9816 : 1/15/2019 8:58 am : link
In comment 14263811 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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may win, but I can't see NE getting "smoked", especially in poor weather.

They can use the running game or short passes to RB's all day long against the KC D.

The few times the Colts tried to run, they had yardage - but they ended up trying to go downfield repeatedly.


Exactly, the Pats have two adequate pass catching RBs and the underneath game all day long.
RE: Cold weather affects old people more  
bw in dc : 1/15/2019 8:59 am : link
In comment 14263741 Ron Johnson said:
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Than young.

Brady will be VERY uncomfortable if it goes below zero


I’ve been thinking this too. Interesting call.

I think Mahomes is going to have to adjust his fastball, too. It’s going to be very hard to catch a ball. I expect he’ll have to dial up more finesse throws.
RE: Below Zero?  
Skully88 : 1/15/2019 9:02 am : link
In comment 14263571 Cool Down said:
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Whoo-hoo!
More than 32 below freezing.
That field will be like concrete.
Falling down could bring on an injury.
How many players will be displaying bare arms?
In my next life I'll take up an indoor sport.


The field will not be concrete or frozen. Most natural turf outdoor cold weather stadiums are heated now to aid in grass growth this time of year. The surface temp of the field will be in the 50 degree range.
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I would  
mdthedream : 1/15/2019 9:04 am : link
also say the KC QB can run so that is advantage for KC.
I remember being in Vegas  
arniefez : 1/15/2019 9:17 am : link
in 1989 for a gambling weekend and hearing it was going to be 25 below in Chicago with the wind chill. We all bet a lot of money on the Bears since they were playing the 49ers who then beat them 28-3. Good times. Two lessons learned. Be carefully betting the weather and Bill Walsh vs Mike Ditka not a good play.
RE: I thought it was when you ice your junk before slipping it in  
Hammer : 1/15/2019 9:18 am : link
In comment 14263516 Ssanders9816 said:
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Bwahahahah
RE: I remember being in Vegas  
BillKo : 1/15/2019 9:21 am : link
In comment 14263821 arniefez said:
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in 1989 for a gambling weekend and hearing it was going to be 25 below in Chicago with the wind chill. We all bet a lot of money on the Bears since they were playing the 49ers who then beat them 28-3. Good times. Two lessons learned. Be carefully betting the weather and Bill Walsh vs Mike Ditka not a good play.


An excellent counter point, and I remember that game well. Also thought Chicago had a great advantage in the cold over a finesse team.

But to even counter that, the Bears weren't a very good team with Mike Tomczyak at QB..............
Excluding Super Bowl...  
BillKo : 1/15/2019 9:36 am : link
...when's last time Pats have won a playoff game on the road? I know they play at home a lot, but I think it's significant.

Another trend: lost last three in KC.
RE: RE: Below Zero?  
PatersonPlank : 1/15/2019 9:39 am : link
In comment 14263817 Skully88 said:
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In comment 14263571 Cool Down said:


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Whoo-hoo!
More than 32 below freezing.
That field will be like concrete.
Falling down could bring on an injury.
How many players will be displaying bare arms?
In my next life I'll take up an indoor sport.



The field will not be concrete or frozen. Most natural turf outdoor cold weather stadiums are heated now to aid in grass growth this time of year. The surface temp of the field will be in the 50 degree range. Link - ( New Window )


I believe the KC field has heating built underneath it just for this purpose. In fact I think they showed the heating system before last weeks playoff game. So the field shouldn't be too bad, its everything else that will suck.
NE has been in these games before, most of the KC players havent  
PatersonPlank : 1/15/2019 9:40 am : link
big difference
RE: I thought it was when you ice your junk before slipping it in  
Jay in Toronto : 1/15/2019 9:42 am : link
In comment 14263516 Ssanders9816 said:
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LOL. Ouch. Doesn't sound like much fun for either party.
RE: Excluding Super Bowl...  
UConn4523 : 1/15/2019 9:51 am : link
In comment 14263858 BillKo said:
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...when's last time Pats have won a playoff game on the road? I know they play at home a lot, but I think it's significant.

Another trend: lost last three in KC.


I think that's a much bigger factor than the cold. KC home game is huge, but they are still inexperienced. Will be very interesting.
At Brady's age you get cold much faster  
since1925 : 1/15/2019 9:56 am : link
Joints begin to ache. Muscles slow down. Ball gets heavy.
Have prople not learned anything about the millenial Pats?  
Big Blue '56 : 1/15/2019 10:03 am : link
The elements don’t matter. Homefield does not really matter. This is Belichick and Brady.

Sure the Chiefs can win. I’d be surprised if they did. Not this close to the SB. The Chiefs will find a way to lose imo.

I hope the Chiefs win, but I strongly doubt they will. And yes, it doesn’t matter wtf I think..:)
Millennial  
Big Blue '56 : 1/15/2019 10:04 am : link
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RE: RE: Cold weather affects old people more  
BigBlueinChicago : 1/15/2019 10:12 am : link
In comment 14263757 ZogZerg said:
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In comment 14263741 Ron Johnson said:


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Than young.

Brady will be VERY uncomfortable if it goes below zero



You could be right. Favre looked pretty bad against the Giants in that cold weather. Eli was able to pass the ball pretty good, so hopefully KC will as well.


Thinking back to that game, and I remember how Favre had an issue in that type of temperature throwing the ball outside of the numbers. He was up there in years, but had just played great in a snowstorm and cold the previous week. However, THIS was a different level of cold.

Giants had a major edge in time of possession that night, and by keeping the older Favre glued to the sideline, that to me was a big factor.

Let's face it, if you are up there in years like Brady is (and what Favre was), you don't want to be just standing on the sideline for long periods when it's -10 out there. The bones just don't react the same. Only so much stretching you can do. That jacket can only do so much. Mahomes is younger, so he can handle it.

Chiefs on Saturday had the ball for nearly 40 minutes. In the '07 game, the Giants did the same.

One can say, "What if the Patriots control the clock Sunday?" Well, in their first game earlier this year, the Chiefs had the ball for 23 minutes and STILL scored 40 points on the Patriots. So TOP for them isn't as important for them because they can strike from anywhere at any moment.

I'd have to think..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/15/2019 10:57 am : link
that the ability to strike from anywhere at any moment would be effectively eliminated with the cold. You don't often see huge plays in that type of weather. If the chiefs are going to rely on a Tyreek Hill 80 yarder, they will be sorely disappointed.

They'd be better off with Kelce's 10 yarders, but I'm sure NE will focus on him like they have done.
I wonder if BB  
dep026 : 1/15/2019 10:59 am : link
will just put Gilmore on Hill and let them go 1 on 1. Gilmore was the consensus best corner in the league this year. And then he can put 4 guys on kelce and dare KC to run and beat them.
Kelce..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/15/2019 11:00 am : link
only has 5 catches for 60 yards the last two games against NE
RE: Kelce..  
Eman11 : 1/15/2019 11:12 am : link
In comment 14264021 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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only has 5 catches for 60 yards the last two games against NE


That's the guy I'm keying on in an arctic cold type game. Much easier to complete a short pass in those conditions than a deep ball. If the Pats can limit him like they have in the last two games that's huge IMO.

That's not to say the Pats can forget about Hill or not make him a priority, just that I'd make him the 2nd priority behind Kelce. We've seen deep balls completed in games like this ( Eli - Amani) but it's not easy.

If the Pats limit Kelce and can control the clock when they have the ball, I think they win,and these conditions could very well hurt the high flying home teams O.

RE: I wonder if BB  
BigBlueinChicago : 1/15/2019 11:36 am : link
In comment 14264020 dep026 said:
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will just put Gilmore on Hill and let them go 1 on 1. Gilmore was the consensus best corner in the league this year. And then he can put 4 guys on kelce and dare KC to run and beat them.


If the weather was warmer, I would have challenged the Chiefs to have Williams run for 150 yards and see if he can do it, challenging Reid and Mahomes would keep on calling running plays, slow the game down, and play against their tendency to throw.

I would probably still employ the strategy Sunday. It's almost like the Super Bowl XXV defensive plan.
I can see a similar gameplan for the Pats  
UConn4523 : 1/15/2019 12:23 pm : link
as they had last week. Carve them up with short passes, control the clock, and take the occasional 15+ yard strike when necessary. That's where Brady has a huge leg up as this game plan helps nullify the cold.

Mahomes being young and mobile will both be assets, but you don't need to be 40 to move slow, or have issues gripping the ball for accurate deep passes. He also fumbled 9 ties this year, which could be a factor.
Mack and the Colts ran for  
YAJ2112 : 1/15/2019 12:31 pm : link
-3
10
6
2
-6

in the first half, not including a Luck 9 yard scramble just before the missed FG.

They didn't run again until there was 3 minutes left in the 3rd quarter and the game was 24-7. Not sure where you are seeing them running effectively, at least not until the drive halfway through the fourth quarter when they were still down 24-7.
RE: I'd have to think..  
bw in dc : 1/15/2019 12:41 pm : link
In comment 14264017 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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that the ability to strike from anywhere at any moment would be effectively eliminated with the cold. You don't often see huge plays in that type of weather. If the chiefs are going to rely on a Tyreek Hill 80 yarder, they will be sorely disappointed.

They'd be better off with Kelce's 10 yarders, but I'm sure NE will focus on him like they have done.


NFLN did a documentary of the 2009 Patriots. They were preparing to play in blizzard and bitter cold at home against the Titans. Granted, it was one game, but I remember Belichick saying that he thought the elements favored the offense and they should attack - medium and deep. Felt that since the offense knows where the ball was going, and the defense would struggle with movement in the bad weather, it would make the defense more susceptible to giving up big plays.

The Pats won 59-0. Brady threw for 380 yards and 6 TDs.

I know all weather isn't created equal, but thought the approach was interesting...
the only weather that drmatically  
FranchiseQB : 1/15/2019 4:42 pm : link
hinders a quick strike passing game predicated on speed is wind (or significant snowfall). If the wind is not an issue expect the KC passing game to be virtually unhindered. If anything they will be helped as the weather could affect defensive reaction time.
It's a  
Pete in MD : 1/15/2019 5:07 pm : link
mid '90's Canadian hardcore punk band.
RE: RE: I remember being in Vegas  
NINEster : 1/15/2019 5:39 pm : link
In comment 14263827 BillKo said:
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In comment 14263821 arniefez said:


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in 1989 for a gambling weekend and hearing it was going to be 25 below in Chicago with the wind chill. We all bet a lot of money on the Bears since they were playing the 49ers who then beat them 28-3. Good times. Two lessons learned. Be carefully betting the weather and Bill Walsh vs Mike Ditka not a good play.



An excellent counter point, and I remember that game well. Also thought Chicago had a great advantage in the cold over a finesse team.

But to even counter that, the Bears weren't a very good team with Mike Tomczyak at QB..............


Niners were never a finesse team under Walsh.

Biggest misconception of the old 49er teams.

RE: Excluding Super Bowl...  
NINEster : 1/15/2019 5:44 pm : link
In comment 14263858 BillKo said:
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...when's last time Pats have won a playoff game on the road? I know they play at home a lot, but I think it's significant.

Another trend: lost last three in KC.


2004 against the Steelers I think.

Let's look at other recent history:

Chiefs vs Patriots in Foxborough playoffs were comfortably won by the Patriots but not blowouts either. One possession wins IIRC.

Swap Smith for Mahomes and Gillette for Arrowhead and that should by itself be a win for the Chiefs.

The only issue I can think of is that those Chiefs teams had better defenses than the ones they have now, but they still didn't shut down the Patriots all that well.

This formula the Chiefs have that is more along the lines of the Colts circa 2006 where the defense feeds off the offense, probably will work out better for them.

Brady can't win in KC or Denver or Miami. For all the crap people give Drew Brees on grass, this doesn't get talked about much.

He's not a fair weather QB, but we forget just how often the Patriots host big games. Even prime time games in the regular season are almost always at f*** Gillette.

RE: Chargers had the better team  
NINEster : 1/15/2019 5:54 pm : link
In comment 14263683 WillVAB said:
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And the Pats smoked them.

Brady and BB is substantially greater than Reid and Mahomes.


The extra travel plus the garbage game planning by the Chargers made this game a lot worse than it had to be.

Brady would have had a much harder time if he had to go up against press man coverage with Bosa and Ingram afforded more time to get to him.

IMO, it couldn't have been any worse and it certainly would have required Brady to work a lot harder than he did.

Meanwhile Belichick blitz Rivers a s*** ton and got his way more often than not. Rivers is not some garbage QB, and these Patriots don't have Seahawk 2013 personnel....he should have been able to make them pay and he didn't.
RE: Big advantage for NE  
Section331 : 1/15/2019 6:48 pm : link
In comment 14263528 UConn4523 said:
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their QB and kicker both have a ton of experience in this weather.


I wouldn’t be so sure about that. Brady is 41, the cold gets harder to deal with as you get older. Think Favre in the 2008 NFCCG, Louisiana boy Eli outplayed him, and Favre admitted the cold got to him.
If a decade old game  
UConn4523 : 1/15/2019 7:01 pm : link
for an example is all you got than I’ll go with my original stance that BB and Brady will gameplan around the weather offense, something they do better than anyone I’ve ever seen. They still may very well lose, but you guys are making it sound like Brady won’t be able to get up and out of bed on Sunday morning.

Brady and Favre are polar opposite players with completely different skill sets. So again, the comparison sucks.
The Chiefs' defense is suspect  
Go Terps : 1/15/2019 7:32 pm : link
I know they had the big pass rush against New England, but Brady does a better job than Luck of getting rid of the ball quickly enough to nullify the edge rushers. You can bet that Belichick is not going to let two things happen:

1. Jones will not be allowed to pressure Brady up the middle
2. Kelce will have someone assigned to cover him in man...he isn't going to be allowed to find holes in the zone

I'm looking for Michel and White to have big days. And maybe one last big day out of Gronk, who has at most 2 games left as a Patriot.
RE: RE: RE: I remember being in Vegas  
BillKo : 1/15/2019 7:50 pm : link
In comment 14264671 NINEster said:
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Niners were never a finesse team under Walsh.

Biggest misconception of the old 49er teams.


When stacked up against the three other big teams in the NFC during that time - NYG, Washington, and the Bears - the Niners were 4th on that rung in terms of physicality.

The Niners were more built like AFC teams in that era. Difference was, they had great players and a great coach to go at it with the heavyweights in the NFC.



I would think  
Sneakers O'toole : 1/15/2019 7:51 pm : link
many flavors of Gatorade will be used during the game
I like the Chiefs  
Sneakers O'toole : 1/15/2019 7:52 pm : link
in this game.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I remember being in Vegas  
Go Terps : 1/15/2019 7:59 pm : link
In comment 14264757 BillKo said:
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In comment 14264671 NINEster said:


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Niners were never a finesse team under Walsh.

Biggest misconception of the old 49er teams.




When stacked up against the three other big teams in the NFC during that time - NYG, Washington, and the Bears - the Niners were 4th on that rung in terms of physicality.

The Niners were more built like AFC teams in that era. Difference was, they had great players and a great coach to go at it with the heavyweights in the NFC.




That's not my memory of the 49ers. Those guys were brutal, especially on defense.
RE: Have prople not learned anything about the millenial Pats?  
BH28 : 1/15/2019 8:00 pm : link
In comment 14263926 Big Blue '56 said:
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The elements don’t matter. Homefield does not really matter. This is Belichick and Brady.


Home field matters. Pats this year: 9-0 at home; 3-5 on the road. They've lost their last two road games in the playoffs to the Broncos. Granted they don't play a lot of road games, but the last time they won on the road was 10 years ago.

I believe in the last 4 meetings between Andy Reid's Chiefs and BB's Pats, the series is split 2-2 with the home team winning all four contests.

The noise level in Arrowhead is incredible.
Arrowhead  
Go Terps : 1/15/2019 8:08 pm : link
I'll be interested to see how the Chiefs handle the coin toss if they win it. I think they've got to defer if they do. Put that Pats offense on the field when the crowd is fired up at the start of the game. The crowd at the start of the second half is still stuck in the concourses, and in this game figures to be worn down by the cold by that point.

I expect Reid would usually put his offense on the field first, but he should defer and try to use the crowd to help ruin one of the Pats' possessions.
RE: Arrowhead  
BH28 : 1/15/2019 8:13 pm : link
In comment 14264772 Go Terps said:
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I'll be interested to see how the Chiefs handle the coin toss if they win it. I think they've got to defer if they do. Put that Pats offense on the field when the crowd is fired up at the start of the game. The crowd at the start of the second half is still stuck in the concourses, and in this game figures to be worn down by the cold by that point.

I expect Reid would usually put his offense on the field first, but he should defer and try to use the crowd to help ruin one of the Pats' possessions.


Yeah I would say defense first. Last time the pats played in Arrowhead the crowd set the noise record, so I would expect it to be broken again for the playoffs. A defensive stop on the first possession followed by a Chiefs TD would blow the top off that place.
I keep going back & forth with this game...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/15/2019 8:20 pm : link
I think KC will win, but I can't go against BB & TB12, even though the Pats have been a completely different team this year away from Foxboro.

I'm really looking forward to this game. And I got Monday off so I can let loose. Oh yeah.
RE: Arrowhead  
Eman11 : 1/15/2019 8:24 pm : link
In comment 14264772 Go Terps said:
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I'll be interested to see how the Chiefs handle the coin toss if they win it. I think they've got to defer if they do. Put that Pats offense on the field when the crowd is fired up at the start of the game. The crowd at the start of the second half is still stuck in the concourses, and in this game figures to be worn down by the cold by that point.

I expect Reid would usually put his offense on the field first, but he should defer and try to use the crowd to help ruin one of the Pats' possessions.


I can see where you're coming from but I think he should take the ball like the Pats did last weekend. If the Chiefs go down and score on the opening drive the crowd will be even more fired up after that IMO but I can see your side as well and you're right, it's going to be interesting to see what Reid does if he wins the toss.

BB I can see deferring, but mainly for the usual reasons of getting back to back possessions and it also plays into your concourse point as well. I'm sure that man has taken every single thing into consideration.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I remember being in Vegas  
NINEster : 1/16/2019 7:38 pm : link
In comment 14264764 Go Terps said:
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In comment 14264757 BillKo said:


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In comment 14264671 NINEster said:


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Niners were never a finesse team under Walsh.

Biggest misconception of the old 49er teams.




When stacked up against the three other big teams in the NFC during that time - NYG, Washington, and the Bears - the Niners were 4th on that rung in terms of physicality.

The Niners were more built like AFC teams in that era. Difference was, they had great players and a great coach to go at it with the heavyweights in the NFC.






That's not my memory of the 49ers. Those guys were brutal, especially on defense.


90% of BBI calls the '90 NFC Title game their favorite ever.

Did peeps conveniently forget that game and the MNF earlier that year?

RE: RE: RE: RE: I remember being in Vegas  
bw in dc : 1/16/2019 7:55 pm : link
In comment 14264757 BillKo said:
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In comment 14264671 NINEster said:


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Niners were never a finesse team under Walsh.

Biggest misconception of the old 49er teams.




When stacked up against the three other big teams in the NFC during that time - NYG, Washington, and the Bears - the Niners were 4th on that rung in terms of physicality.

The Niners were more built like AFC teams in that era. Difference was, they had great players and a great coach to go at it with the heavyweights in the NFC.




Ronnie Lott wasn't physical? Charles Haley wasn't physical? Matt Millen wasn't physical? Michael Carter wasn't physical? Pierce Holt wasn't physical?

The biggest misnomer of the that era was that the 9ers weren't physical. On defense, they were as tough and effective as any team in the NFC.

They got tagged as a finesse team because Walsh was such an innovator on offense. He was able to use the short passing game as their de facto running game. And when they wore you down chasing formations, misdirection, and their vertical game, they would put you away with a traditional running game. They/Walsh were completely ahead of their time. For some reason that gets misinterpreted as finesse.

There..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/17/2019 8:03 am : link
were a lot of physical teams in that Era:

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The Niners were more built like AFC teams in that era. Difference was, they had great players and a great coach to go at it with the heavyweights in the NFC.


The Niners were most definitely NOT built like AFC teams though. That reputation may have come because they had an innovative offense, but that's where the similarities end - it is also why the NFC routinely beat the AFC back then - not because the Niners were constructed like an AFC team, but because they could punish teams while also having a dynamic offense.

I've seen interviews with Giants who contend that the Niners were the team they least liked to face because of the battle, and the Niners have said the same about the Giants.
Belichick not concerned with the weather  
pjcas18 : 1/17/2019 8:24 am : link
says "we will be there".

Chiefs will get steamrolled at home (not because of Belichick's comments, but because their secondary stinks and the healthy Pats will exploit it).
The Niners D has oft times been overlooked  
Big Blue '56 : 1/17/2019 8:27 am : link
during the Montana era by many fans. Offense. Walsh. Montana. Rice. That’s what or who fans most often cited as to why those teams were so great.

Their D was excellent and ranked up there with many of the attributable “great Ds” imo..

Iirc, in their first SB under Walsh, 3 of the 4 who made up their Secondary were rookies. If not then they were there starting in 1979(?)..
And one of the reasons the 1991 NFCC is considered  
Big Blue '56 : 1/17/2019 8:28 am : link
a classic and revered by many Giants’ fans was because of the ferocious D from both teams
RE: And one of the reasons the 1991 NFCC is considered  
bw in dc : 1/17/2019 8:33 am : link
In comment 14266156 Big Blue '56 said:
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a classic and revered by many Giants’ fans was because of the ferocious D from both teams


I believe that is the greatest game ever played. And we didn’t score a touchdown.

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