A month before Spring Training, the roster (whether we like it or not) is starting to come into focus. Also the questions that they'll take into ST are also starting to come into focus.
The obvious: Who plays 2B and who plays SS? Ideally for me, unless Tulowitzki flashes his 2015 form with the bat and/or with the leather, it's LeMahieu and Gleyber with Tulo in a backup role.
Secondary: What does the bullpen look like? Do they add or are they content with the personnel on the roster? My preference would be to hold what they've got, because perversely and counterintuitively it should keep the big arms fresher (because they won't have to handle garbage time)
Tertiary: What do they do with Adams, Acevedo and Abreu? Do they force the issue on starting vs. relieving because they're all 40 man guys?
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$175M over 7 years. Lets say Harper goes to Philly and that's the only offer Machado has. How do the Yankees not reengage and offer the same thing or slightly lower?
totally agreed. I'd be fine with them matching that ($25M per)
I also agree. When they speculated at the end of last season that both would at least get 300/10 year contracts. 25 for 7 sounds really good. Isn't that hwat the Yanks offered Cano?
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$175M over 7 years. Lets say Harper goes to Philly and that's the only offer Machado has. How do the Yankees not reengage and offer the same thing or slightly lower?
totally agreed. I'd be fine with them matching that ($25M per)
I also agree. When they speculated at the end of last season that both would at least get 300/10 year contracts. 25 for 7 sounds really good. Isn't that hwat the Yanks offered Cano?
It was right around there iirc. Hell, it's not much more than what they signed Ellsbury to
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If the Yankees can't beat 7/$175M it's time to close up shop
I would be really disappointed if MM signs this 7 year deal with a team other than NYY.
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While the Yankees are still shopping Sonny Gray, they are also looking around for a starting pitcher. Relief is on their radar as well. Talking to Ottavino, others.
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Yankees attitude on Manny Machado is that while you never say never, its unlikely at this point. They are stacked on infield, and thats before Didi returns (likely in 2nd half).
If true Chisox offer to Manny is only 175M for 7 (via
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), Machado may have erred not making deal with #yankees back on dec. 19 when yanks dined w/MM and NYY was ready to talk turkey. Machado wasnt talking $ yet but NYY would have paid more than 175. Back then anyway.
I was not going to be annoyed if Machado went to CHW for 8 years and 275M... but if the current offer is 100M LESS than that, the Yanks need to get back into this thing.
I still don't know how the pieces would fit with Didi back in the fold late July/Aug (barring setback), but at this point, we can cross that bridge when we get to it. That stuff tends to work itself out a bit.
Feeling like NYY are still not going to bite - but at this price, they really should.
I was not going to be annoyed if Machado went to CHW for 8 years and 275M... but if the current offer is 100M LESS than that, the Yanks need to get back into this thing.
I still don't know how the pieces would fit with Didi back in the fold late July/Aug (barring setback), but at this point, we can cross that bridge when we get to it. That stuff tends to work itself out a bit.
Feeling like NYY are still not going to bite - but at this price, they really should.
If Manny gets signed under 200M elsewhere I will have grave doubts about the Steinbrenners' commitment to this franchise. Sell the fucking team if you're only in it for the money--there are much better investments to make money on than sports teams.
While I'm with you as concerns signing Machado at the WS offer or somewhat more, the Yankees have been a pretty good "investment to make money." George paid $8.7 million in 1973 and the team is valued at $4 billion today. That's a 460x increase, albeit over 45 years.
They do and are looking for one according to Heyman. Not sure what that has to do with Machado...
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Sell the fucking team if you're only in it for the money--there are much better investments to make money on than sports teams.
While I'm with you as concerns signing Machado at the WS offer or somewhat more, the Yankees have been a pretty good "investment to make money." George paid $8.7 million in 1973 and the team is valued at $4 billion today. That's a 460x increase, albeit over 45 years.
Investing in sports teams from the 70s through mid 90s turned out to be a great bet. But that's not the current question facing Hank and Hal. If they're not in it to win, would they make more money by taking the $4 billion and investing it, or from owning the Yankees? I think it's the former by a wide margin.
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i mean they need another SP.
They do and are looking for one according to Heyman. Not sure what that has to do with Machado...
what it means is allocating money to that instead of another hitter. Pitching is needed
Having said that, they shouldn't have expressed interest in him if they weren't willing to go to that level to pay him. Were they seriously expecting him to go for less?
to back your FFS, i will jump that with at least getting a serviceable 4th or 5th guy. The rotation needs to be solidified. We have a semi ace, a number 2 and a 3rd. Gets real sketchy afterwards. the lineup is still powerful.
While i would love machado, but pitching will win the game. A freaking innings eater would be lovely.
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There are no aces available. Beat the drum all you want, it's not going to upgrade the rotation.
to back your FFS, i will jump that with at least getting a serviceable 4th or 5th guy. The rotation needs to be solidified. We have a semi ace, a number 2 and a 3rd. Gets real sketchy afterwards. the lineup is still powerful.
While i would love machado, but pitching will win the game. A freaking innings eater would be lovely.
Who? Sonny Gray is actually better than any available FA starting pitcher on the market. It pains me to write that, but it's true - especially his stats away from YS3.
he is the one i want on the team. Fuck it. He isnt the true ace but he is better than Sonny gray
CF - Hicks/Gardner
RF - Judge
LF - Harper
DH - Stanton
SS - Didi/Tulowitski
C - Sanchez
2B - Torres
1B - Voit
3B - LaMahieu
And a rotation of Bumgarner, Sevy, Tanaka, Paxton, Happ/CC
What am I missing? Look it really doesn't matter either way. Last year he had zero range and the few balls he got to he had trouble throwing to the bases. If he's not much better in 2019 he won't on 3B very long. We'll see soon enough.
Clearly says it is his throwing. It says nothing about his range. His set up is to get him ready to make the transition from catching it, to the throw. His internal clock is off and he takes too long to throw.
He gets to balls. He screws up the throws.
Getting to batted balls is a tricky thing to judge because a guy with bad range will often just look "out" of a play and like he doesn't actually have a shot at it - while a player with better range might have an actual shot at those same groundballs, but find them just out of reach.
Player B actually has better range, but to the eye, might look like the "worse" defensive player because he had the range to actually make an attempt at playing it while Player A may just have had a first step too slow to even dive or make a true attempt at all.
The Yanks seem to be betting pretty big on Miggy improving. We'll see if he is able to reward that faith or not.
Heres a blurb on Roman from MLBTR:
Getting to batted balls is a tricky thing to judge because a guy with bad range will often just look "out" of a play and like he doesn't actually have a shot at it - while a player with better range might have an actual shot at those same groundballs, but find them just out of reach.
Player B actually has better range, but to the eye, might look like the "worse" defensive player because he had the range to actually make an attempt at playing it while Player A may just have had a first step too slow to even dive or make a true attempt at all.
The Yanks seem to be betting pretty big on Miggy improving. We'll see if he is able to reward that faith or not.
There are definite "techniques" that are used to "set up" to field balls that put the fielder in a better position to throw immediately after catching it. Whether it is a crossover step, a slight step toward the plate as the pitcher throws the ball or something else. Good fielders are precise in their body set up at the time they catch the ball. He looks a bit like a statue at times because he has not set his body in position to throw off fielding the ball and then must reposition himself to make an accurate throw.
Going to take thousands of reps to get out of his bad set up and feel comfortable to the point that the throws are natural. He may not be "athletic" enough to get it, but obviously the Yankees think he is.
It literally ends up dominating the discussion.
It literally ends up dominating the discussion.
Because there is nothing else to bitch about, although I partially agree that not at least throwing a number at Machado and/or Harper is a bit "cheap."
Somebody needs to tell Stanton how cheap the team is....
Boras used to always be able to find his one dumber owner but who is that owner now? With so much money being spent on analytics and so much bad history with long terms contracts maybe there isn't a dumb owner left?
Of course that still doesn't really explain the lack of interest in Machado and Harper at 26 years old by almost all of MLB. So I think there's some other factors at work among the owners too and that's going to lead to a long strike in a few years.
The Players Association is weaker than any time in MLB since Marvin Miller got involved they've mismanaged the latest CBA.
I think there are 2 or 3 years left before it's up for renewal.
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I think the Yankees have moved on from Machado. Don't see them making an official offer at this point.
How do the Yanks and Phillies feel inevitable? If anything, NYY specifically, I get the sense that Cashman isnt lurking in the weeds like he was with Teixiera back in 2008/2009. Unless he inks Ottavino for the bullpen, I honestly think theyre all done reshaping the roster for 2019.
Rumors also abound that neither player, Harper nor Manny, really wants to go to Philadelphia. And, really, who can blame them?
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Yankees/Phillies (respectively) feel inevitable, like the Sox did last year. May wait until the last minute to close the deal.
How do the Yanks and Phillies feel inevitable? If anything, NYY specifically, I get the sense that Cashman isnt lurking in the weeds like he was with Teixiera back in 2008/2009. Unless he inks Ottavino for the bullpen, I honestly think theyre all done reshaping the roster for 2019.
Rumors also abound that neither player, Harper nor Manny, really wants to go to Philadelphia. And, really, who can blame them?
There was virtually nobody in 2008/9 that had a sense Cashman was lurking in the weeds on Teixeira. That's kind of the thing about lurking in the weeds, when it's done correctly.
It literally ends up dominating the discussion.
I was the guilty party this time, but the reported lowball offer to Machado set me off. (Naturally, it was likely fake news; I'm gullible.) As others stated more articulately, the fans will have a somewhat legitimate beef if the Yanks don't ink any more FAs due to: rising revenues, high prices to the fans (savings not being passed on to consumer), and what looks like an unwillingness to dip into the bank to put the team over the top.
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Yankees/Phillies (respectively) feel inevitable, like the Sox did last year. May wait until the last minute to close the deal.
How do the Yanks and Phillies feel inevitable? If anything, NYY specifically, I get the sense that Cashman isnt lurking in the weeds like he was with Teixiera back in 2008/2009. Unless he inks Ottavino for the bullpen, I honestly think theyre all done reshaping the roster for 2019.
Rumors also abound that neither player, Harper nor Manny, really wants to go to Philadelphia. And, really, who can blame them?
There was virtually nobody in 2008/9 that had a sense Cashman was lurking in the weeds on Teixeira. That's kind of the thing about lurking in the weeds, when it's done correctly.
Only that was 10 years ago & Hal approved of it because George didn't have long to live & Hal wanted one last championship for his Dad. Not sure Hal has that type of motivation to move the needle. But,yes,I hope he proves me wrong!
They key difference is what TheMick points out but it certainly felt similarly to the Yankees signing Tulo and LeMahieu this offseason.