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| 3. Nate Solder, OT, New York Giants Deal: Four years, $62 million Sick of disappointing 2015 first-round pick Ereck Flowers, who never developed into the franchise left tackle the Giants expected him to be when they picked him No. 9 overall, the Giants won a bidding war for the 30-year-old Solder. It cost them a $62 million contract with $34.8 million in full guarantees. At the time, it made Solder the highest-paid tackle in NFL history. Only nine NFL teams allowed more sacks than the Giants did in 2018. |
Yup. Should have been on that signing.
- Dave Gettleman
No, he wouldn’t have. And you’ve even said as much in other threads. When was the last time the Patriots gave anyone a second big contract? They can replace anyone with anyone in their system.
We needed him, and I am happy with his performance from week 9 on. He was great after that. Going forward, we are set at LT (or even RT should a new stud LT arrive)
You forget the Pats offered Soldier almost as much as the Giants did. It's not like they didn't want him or weren't going to pay him huge bucks.
Stay with Flowers?
Or find some unknown who was out of football to play LT?
There wasn't any other options
Pick one
Solder wasn't a great signing but he was the best option.
By contrast, Solder cost us 22M this year....
And Trent Brown was a much better LT than Solder.....
Yes, Brown is a one year rental for 2M and cost a 3rd round pick, but man did he play lights out for the Pats this season....
We overpaid 22M, and what did we get for it in comparison?
But what do you expect from that hack Graziano and BSPN...
He really had no choice but to pay Solder.
By contrast, Solder cost us 22M this year....
And Trent Brown was a much better LT than Solder.....
Yes, Brown is a one year rental for 2M and cost a 3rd round pick, but man did he play lights out for the Pats this season....
We overpaid 22M, and what did we get for it in comparison?
We aren't the fucking Patriots. Brown would not have performed well on this line.
Stay with Flowers?
Or find some unknown who was out of football to play LT?
There wasn't any other options
Pick one
Solder wasn't a great signing but he was the best option.
I would have started by hiring a better OL coach. The way the offensive line looked coming out of training camp and preseason was a fireable offense.
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for Solder, costing a 3rd round draft pick for Trent He He He traded a 3rd round pick for Trent Brown(they got a 5th rounder back), and he cost less than 2M....
By contrast, Solder cost us 22M this year....
And Trent Brown was a much better LT than Solder.....
Yes, Brown is a one year rental for 2M and cost a 3rd round pick, but man did he play lights out for the Pats this season....
We overpaid 22M, and what did we get for it in comparison?
We aren't the fucking Patriots. Brown would not have performed well on this line.
We aren't the Patriots in part because we do stupid things like overpay to fill holes on the roster.
Yeah we overspent on Solder. I wonder why. Ohh I know, we don't have Brady, we don't have Belichick, and our staff isn't as good either at developing talent.
I'm all for assessing what we don't do well, but using the same, cliched arguments points to what BB does isn't very productive.
Solari was highly regarded, then he gets here and can't make chicken salad out of shit and gets lambasted. Then he moves along and gets praised.
Can't just blame the coaching.
And I shudder to think the commentary if DG failed to sign OL in the offseason.
Yeah we overspent on Solder. I wonder why. Ohh I know, we don't have Brady, we don't have Belichick, and our staff isn't as good either at developing talent.
I'm all for assessing what we don't do well, but using the same, cliched arguments points to what BB does isn't very productive.
I said it on another thread...people talk like Belichick is a wizard who achieves success through some mythical powers. Part of that might be true, but part of what he does well (specifically, roster management) is clear for all to see and learn from.
It's been a copycat league since its inception. When Bill Walsh advanced the West Coast offense was the rest of the league not supposed to take note and try to incorporate it?
One of Belichick's genius contributions to the NFL is his roster management in the salary cap/FA era. It's brilliant, sustainable, and visible for all to see.
The roster management side has tried to be copied, but on teams without that coach/QB combo, it just doesn't work the same. Having the combo of a HoF Coach and a HoF QB isn't easy to duplicate.
The roster management side has tried to be copied, but on teams without that coach/QB combo, it just doesn't work the same. Having the combo of a HoF Coach and a HoF QB isn't easy to duplicate.
Who tried to copy it?
While I understand it's easy to pile on Solder, he left the great coaching of Dante Scarnecchia for the highly dubious coaching and "expertise" of Hal Hunter.
On top of that, he left Belichick and McDaniels, two proven experts, for the less impressive coaching of Shurmur and Shula.
He must of felt like he went from the penthouse into the outhouse.
Really? So little bill has never let a player walk that he wanted to keep? I find that hard to believe.
We could always go with the cheaper and shittier Flowers at LT or some other mess and call it a day. Would you guys feel better with some cheaper slob at LT? I know I wouldn’t.
I guess we can’t acknowledge how well solder played once he got his sea legs here?
The Falcons have used this approach. The Eagles have been lauded for years for getting rid of guys before they hit their decline. The Colts and Niners have tried to stockpile draft picks to build a team and fill in starting lineups, and the colts approach this year was pretty damn effective.
Even his own division rivals, the Bills and Dolphins have tried to avoid costly second contracts and stay fluid with the cap - but it hasn't paid off.
BB is a huge difference maker. Think about his GM competency - it isn't great. He's not fantastic at the draft or FA, but they win. The system - which is based on excellent coaching and the QB are what drives it
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as some sort of realistic barometer.
Yeah we overspent on Solder. I wonder why. Ohh I know, we don't have Brady, we don't have Belichick, and our staff isn't as good either at developing talent.
I'm all for assessing what we don't do well, but using the same, cliched arguments points to what BB does isn't very productive.
I said it on another thread...people talk like Belichick is a wizard who achieves success through some mythical powers. Part of that might be true, but part of what he does well (specifically, roster management) is clear for all to see and learn from.
It's been a copycat league since its inception. When Bill Walsh advanced the West Coast offense was the rest of the league not supposed to take note and try to incorporate it?
One of Belichick's genius contributions to the NFL is his roster management in the salary cap/FA era. It's brilliant, sustainable, and visible for all to see.
You very much over simplify the Pats/BB dynamic and pass it along as a blueprint that should be easy to follow. It isn't. This is a copy cat league and most, if not all teams fail at trying to copy what they do.
And the reason why is BB/Brady. BB is able to ditch guys early because he knows he can find a player that fits in their system and/or will create a specialty role for that player.
He's busted plenty as a GM but survives because he's the ultimate tactician. Those bad signings usually kill other teams.
I've asked you many times on many threads over the years, but why aren't you pointing to any other coach/franchise? The reason is, you really can't. That dynamic is a diamond in the rough, the perfect storm of QB/Coaching. Some of it may be transferable, but the bulk of it can't be duplicated. Someone would have done it by now.
Its funny seeing people complain about him. This team has how many holes right now and you're upset they figured out LT for probably 3-4 years?
Would be really nice to upgrade at C and RT. I think we can definitely fulfill 1 in the draft, but the other may need to be a tier 2 FA.
They transformed from a defensive dominant team to an offensive dominant team. They morphed from a run-centric team to a vertical passing team to a short route passing team to a more run/pass balanced team. They went from small receivers to big receivers to a mix of receivers. They went to having their primary receiver being a TE. They have used huge lineman in their 3-4 to a smaller, more athletic types. And on and on and on.
I personally am fine with the Solder signing. I know its hard to believe for some but we could have done alot worse.
Its funny seeing people complain about him. This team has how many holes right now and you're upset they figured out LT for probably 3-4 years?
You are happy with Solder's performance after being given elite-level pay? How far expectations for this team have fallen.
basically the assumption is that unless the entire OL was excellent, then there wasn't any reason to sign Solder. And that's not the way it should be looked at. He should be looked at as a building block. He and Hernandez were solid, but again, if they hadn't signed Solder and went with a UDFA or a middle draft pick there, we'd be screaming about that too.
It's likely unless we spend a lot on the OL in the offseason that we will have a cost-controlled group - with Solder having the expensive contract. Shouldn't be a burden to the cap.
Like the Giants, many of the fans have grown very comfortable with losing.
If everytime the team has a losing season, should wholesale changes be made - should fans scream to fire everyone? Because as pointed out before, doing that would've neutered Bill Parcells before he got started. Would have gotten a lot of coaches fired.
I mean it might be fucking awesome to complain about everything, espouse new ways to roster build by stockpiling mobile QB's and basically call the entire organization inept on a daily basis, but that really seems like a shitty way to go about the day.
I don't think fans accept losing as much as a great deal of them inflate their cognitive abilities to believe they are superior to those of people actually running things. It's one of the few constants among fanbases.