at 6 and Jags staying put and selecting Murray at 7. Jones to the Broncos at 10 and Lock to the Redskins in place at 15.
Grier remains unselected through the first round. Not sure I can imagine the Pats passing on him.
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Not far behind last year's 4 in top 10.
I think they have to stay at 6 if they want him but i would love love love White in blue.
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the Jints don't have a strong conviction on these QBs, I'd love the opportunity to trade back a bit and still come away with a Devin White + picks.
I think they have to stay at 6 if they want him but i would love love love White in blue.
I agree but if mocks stay the same, many have him in the low twenties (though this one has him higher).
Cody Ford, OT, Oklahoma
Will the Giants neglect QB at 6? As each day passes toward the NFL Draft, it seems more and more likely — especially once Justin Herbert elected to return to school, when that buzz started to really pick up.
I think Cody Ford is a Top-10 talent at offensive tackle, with unbelievable foot speed and balance for his tremendous size — and if the Giants aren’t going for a new signal-caller, they might as well make life as easy on Eli as possible. An easy life for QB is two things: protection and weapons. They’ve got the firepower, so lock in Ford and things get real interesting for an offense that looked stronger in the back half of 2018.
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I've talked to a couple scouts that have said he is RB1 in this class.
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the Jints don't have a strong conviction on these QBs, I'd love the opportunity to trade back a bit and still come away with a Devin White + picks.
I think they have to stay at 6 if they want him but i would love love love White in blue.
Put me in the Devin White fan club as well. I would be very happy to have him in Blue
That's what scares me about Haskins. It will take a lot of projection and over scouting to get comfortable with him at 6 (or earlier). That, coupled with the system scares me off.
If you take any of DGs comments at face value last year on qb play (experience, the fundamentals of playing the position, etc.), I don't see how Haskins is the pick at qb, unless it's Blaine Gabbert style panic move. I would hope that's not the case and the Giants only pick him if they truly see him as a mainstay as a top 10 NFL qb.
Right now, the only qb I see that fits the "Giants" mold, is likely Lock, and I've said that before. We'll see how it shakes out by my feeling is the Giants wait another year and go all out for the 2020 class.
be two choices Ford or Williams would be considered
just out of need to replace Soldier .
We can't rely on Vernon as our only threat for various reasons maybe a guy like Michael Jordan is sitting there
in round two . Halapio is a classic overachiever and
was injured we need to get an anchor at Center unless
we take Morse or Paradis not sure if KC will let
Morse walk .
Good pass rush will cover some of the woes in the secondary
Another guy I like is Tre Boston to play Free Safety
Riley is a joke , Boston can also play CB when needed .
He did a lot more than just stand there and throw go routes all year.
His short game accuracy was outstanding. A WCO team like JAX would love him.
Where he has to improve is on his deep ball footwork. He has a habit of driving off the wrong foot. Also, as a 1 year starter, he's naturally going to be a bit green when it comes to scanning through his progressions - that's fine, he will improve there.
Haskins has an NFL arm and more prototypical QB size. He's not a gadget QB who needs to run all over the place to make an impact. I hope he's there @ 6 and I hope we take him.
Considering how many third-down conversions the Jints suffered in the middle zones with completed passes to TEs or RBs circling around, White would be a force in the weakest area of our D. A three-down player who would be an immediate upgrade over Goodson and could replace Ogletree in nickel and dime Defenses when additional db's are brought in.
Greedy Williams could replace and upgrade Webb at outside corner and could effectively shut down one side of the secondary which would then provide enormous flexibility to the defensive coordinator in terms of coverages, blitz calls etc.
Certainly, a quality ER would benefit the D significantly. I see a number of quality ERs available in this draft but I think White and Williams are head and shoulders better at their respective positions then the next guy.
Should both players be there at #6 when we are on the clock and the decision has been made to go with Eli for one more year at qb, then I would seriously explore a trade down in the first round and pick up another draft pick that could hopefully be turned into a quality ER in additon to picking up one of White or Williams
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Josh Jacobs in round one. That's aggressive. Love his talent and think he's got a chance to be an impact player, but not round one...
I've talked to a couple scouts that have said he is RB1 in this class.
I have no problem seeing him getting top billing at the position.
He showed receiving prowess this year I didn't know he had. Had a catch in the Auburn game where essentially caught the ball down the seam in traffic, over his shoulder, for 20+ yds, broke a few tackles and scored. It was a thing of beauty.
He is a versatile runner, too. Can really cut back on a dime and then when it matters get very physical. Great stiff arm.
Do you think he sneaks into round one?
So does a lifetime of trolling a message board because you've got nothing better going on - but that doesn't seem to stop you!
He did a lot more than just stand there and throw go routes all year.
His short game accuracy was outstanding. A WCO team like JAX would love him.
Where he has to improve is on his deep ball footwork. He has a habit of driving off the wrong foot. Also, as a 1 year starter, he's naturally going to be a bit green when it comes to scanning through his progressions - that's fine, he will improve there.
Haskins has an NFL arm and more prototypical QB size. He's not a gadget QB who needs to run all over the place to make an impact. I hope he's there @ 6 and I hope we take him.
arc I didn't know you were on the Haskins train. All aboard baby!!!
He usually comes across as someone who understands the game and knows what he's watching. So this is disappointing, and a setback. ;)
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Haskins improved a lot during the year dealing with pressure. Watch the Michigan game - he was fantastic at moving in the pocket and sensing the rush.
He did a lot more than just stand there and throw go routes all year.
His short game accuracy was outstanding. A WCO team like JAX would love him.
Where he has to improve is on his deep ball footwork. He has a habit of driving off the wrong foot. Also, as a 1 year starter, he's naturally going to be a bit green when it comes to scanning through his progressions - that's fine, he will improve there.
Haskins has an NFL arm and more prototypical QB size. He's not a gadget QB who needs to run all over the place to make an impact. I hope he's there @ 6 and I hope we take him.
arc I didn't know you were on the Haskins train. All aboard baby!!!
Yessir!
He usually comes across as someone who understands the game and knows what he's watching. So this is disappointing, and a setback. ;)
Haskins >>> Grier :)
Not Gettleman but
11/24
Jordan Reid
Jordan Reid
@JReidNFL
Scouts from the Chargers, Colts, Raiders, Bears, Titans, Steelers, Giants, Eagles, Jaguars, Dolphins, Browns, and Lions are in attendance at the Michigan/Ohio State game today.
11/3
Lori Schmidt
@LoriSchmidt
I just figured out why this game has gone the way it has: There's a Cleveland Browns scout here. Other NFL scouts scheduled to be here today include the Panthers, Packers, Jets, Giants, Eagles, Bills, Vikings, Chiefs.
I was just looking at the mocks. It's pretty clear DL is the strength of where top of this draft.
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is very surprising.
He usually comes across as someone who understands the game and knows what he's watching. So this is disappointing, and a setback. ;)
Haskins >>> Grier :)
All aboard! Fair eval by arc above as well. Haskins did grow a lot as the season went on and rebounded well from a midseason lull. Understandable as a first season starter. He's not a sure thing, obviously. But there's a great deal of potential
Not far behind last year's 4 in top 10.
If I remember correctly, at this time last year none of the eventual first rounders was considered that good. Mayfield was too short. Allen had accuracy problems. Rosen was most NFL-ready, but was a China doll. Worries about Lamar being able to learn the playbook. Darnold had too many turnovers. Things change as it gets closer to the draft.
So do people who drop into every thread with simple 1 liners. Be less simple.
All aboard! Fair eval by arc above as well. Haskins did grow a lot as the season went on and rebounded well from a midseason lull. Understandable as a first season starter. He's not a sure thing, obviously. But there's a great deal of potential
Your credibility on anything Buckeyes should be taken with a large grain of salt... ;)
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He usually comes across as someone who understands the game and knows what he's watching. So this is disappointing, and a setback. ;)
Haskins >>> Grier :)
Oh, so you're saying the great Will Grier couldn't stand in that Ohio State pocket - count one Mississippi, two Mississipi....seven Mississippi - and produce the same results?
I actually have gone back and forth on this one a fair bit though. I recognize Haskins is far from a perfect prospect with crucial questions on how he'll transition from OSU to the NFL. Absolutely think he should not start from day 1. But I do believe in the talent
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is very surprising.
He usually comes across as someone who understands the game and knows what he's watching. So this is disappointing, and a setback. ;)
Haskins >>> Grier :)
Oh, so you're saying the great Will Grier couldn't stand in that Ohio State pocket - count one Mississippi, two Mississipi....seven Mississippi - and produce the same results?
He can stand back there for 20 seconds if he wants, he still won't have Haskins' arm.
Why do you think he was taking steroids? :)
I actually have gone back and forth on this one a fair bit though. I recognize Haskins is far from a perfect prospect with crucial questions on how he'll transition from OSU to the NFL. Absolutely think he should not start from day 1. But I do believe in the talent
I think I told you once that I saw Haskins play in high school at Bullis (MD). Kid was a stud. Man among boys at times. So it's pretty cool seeing him go from high school star, to OSU star, to Heisman candidate, to highly touted NFL prospect.
He can stand back there for 20 seconds if he wants, he still won't have Haskins' arm.
Why do you think he was taking steroids? :)
Very well played.
We'll see what happens. If we go pass rusher, or maybe Devin White I wouldn't have an issue either though. Unless it's Rashan Gary! (kidding)
What pressure? He had all day to throw and Michigan couldn't cover crossing routes, or defend the run, that day.
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Haskins improved a lot during the year dealing with pressure. Watch the Michigan game - he was fantastic at moving in the pocket and sensing the rush.
What pressure? He had all day to throw and Michigan couldn't cover crossing routes, or defend the run, that day.
There were several instances where he was pressured. He wasn't under duress all day - but he didn't just stand there and throw all day without anyone in his face and without needing to use his feet.
On his first TD pass, Michigan sent a linebacker up the middle on a blitz and he had rushers coming around the edges.
He also had a collapsing pocket in his face on his 2nd TD throw.
2nd Q - 2nd and 9, Haskins senses immediate pressure, tucks and takes off up the gut for a 9 yard gain.
The wheel route he throws to McCall near the end of the first half is a beautiful lead pass over the trailing DB with the safety closing in. Perfect placement.
3rd and 11 early in the end half, Haskins has both the DT and DE on his right break through the pocket within about 2 seconds. Haskins is able move backwards and deliver a pass right over the middle for a 1st down.
Late in the 3rd quarter on a 1st and 10 inside the Mich 25, the entire pocket collapses around Haskins - both edges collapse in and the DT breaks through. He still delivers a strike to KJ Hill who runs a stick route and breaks back outside and nearly scores on a big gain.
1st and 10 with about 9 minutes left in the game, Haskins takes a snap out of the gun and again, both his RT and RG fail to hold their blocks and 2-3 Michigan linemen are in the pocket immediately. Haskins wisely again sees a running lane to his left, pulls the ball down, and runs for a 1st down.
It's true that his line did a really nice job most of the day and he had a lot of clean pockets to throw from - but it's not true that he just made easy plays all day. He made several impressive plays and absolutely improved as the season went on.
Even his running ability seemed to get better. He's never going to be a scrambler or a guy who scares you with his legs the way Jackson does or Murray will, but he got smarter as far as when to use his legs.
Part of the reason he went untouched on so many pass plays is also because of how quickly he was getting the ball out.
I don't see a Leftwich-esque "windup" here - I think Haskins actually has a pretty nice release.
I really think he made strides this year in his first season as a starter. He has more to learn and my ideal situation would probably be to let Eli play out this last year and have Haskins sit behind him for a few weeks at least.
Early in the year, he wasn't really on my radar as far as possibilities for NYG, but he really started to impress me later on.
There's still untapped potential. Haskins is going to get better in the way he sees the field and goes through his progressions.
To me, he profiles really well as a QB at the next level.
I'm not a scout - just a fan, so.. you can take my "analysis" with a grain of salt. I just really like this kid and hope our FO does too.
That reminds some people of Jay Cutler, and that's fair, but I don't see how that makes his mental makeup similar to Cutler's.
If Lock reminds me of anyone "mentally", and even the goofy body postures and motions off which the kid is tossing absolute dimes, he reminds me of the 2011 Eli Manning. I hope Gettleman sees the similarities, and I hope Lock's personality is similar to Eli's. Supposedly the kid's a nerd and very self effacing.
I like Haskins a ton too and did pretty much immediately when I first saw him, and that was really reinforced by his play against Penn State. But I keep on thinking, too bad, some team or another will jump the Giants to land Haskins, and I'm not THAT SURE about him to cough up our 1st, next year's first, and a 2nd to jump up to 1 or 2 or whatever it will take.
I think you have to look carefully at your 2nd favorite QB this year after the consensus #1 is plucked before our slot at 6. Just a hunch.
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We'll see what happens. If we go pass rusher, or maybe Devin White I wouldn't have an issue either though. Unless it's Rashan Gary! (kidding)
Would you mind share some of the behind the scenes recruiting process at OSU? For example, how do you determine your list of candidates? How does it start?
I met this guy with past ties to Alabama and he said it's two pronged - camps and sort of this esoteric network that is driven largely by word of mouth. They would certainly look national and regional recruiting lists compiled by the usual suspects, but that was more of a supplement rather than a starting point...
That reminds some people of Jay Cutler, and that's fair, but I don't see how that makes his mental makeup similar to Cutler's.
Robinson is right. Lock was fantastic the last month and a half of the season. I like how his completion % has increased every year since his freshman year. Four years ago he was at 49%. Finished his senior year at 63%.
Have to like the SEC factor, too.
However, I wish there was a bit more consistency against the SEC Big Three - Bama, Georgia, Florida.
At Bama, Mizzu just got overwhelmed early and just could't get anything going. Lock was just poor.
Hosting Georgia, he struggled again and was under a lot of pressure and couldn't find any rhythm.
At Florida, however, he was brilliant. Just hit on all cylinders in the swamp and made some great throws, some of which were captured in this PFF video.