at 6 and Jags staying put and selecting Murray at 7. Jones to the Broncos at 10 and Lock to the Redskins in place at 15.
Grier remains unselected through the first round. Not sure I can imagine the Pats passing on him.
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By the summer we've got a big board of maybe 50-75 kids per position heading into their junior year. Communication through back channels has begun, and then ramps up September 1 of their junior season when they can be contacted officially. They're watched very closely in junior season film. That's really the key season for evaluation as the big board gets pared down much more after that season. Some start committing, most take it into their senior season when official visits happen. Occasionally someone pops up late in the process, maybe an Ohio kid. But for the most part teams have been watching their commits since their sophomore season. Every game.
We used camps mostly for kids who we liked on film but we weren't quite sold on offering a scholarship. So we asked them to come to camp to get an evaluation in person. Jets 1st round pick Darron Lee was an example. Kid came to three different camps at OSU the summer before his senior year to earn his scholarship offer.
If it's true that he improved later in the year and was playing significantly better, I'd have to give him another look and maybe not write him off so quickly.
But when I hear Josh Allen (and not the one I want from Kentucky...) as a comp, it doesn't give me the warm and fuzzies.
I know Allen was way beyond what anyone expected as a rusher. But he's a QB... completing 52% of his passes. Accuracy is a HUGE flag for him right now. No QB is going to win in this league consistently completing passes at a clip that low.
I just didn't like that Lock seemed to take a step back as a Senior. He finally got his completion % over 60 - but the TD/INT ratio took a dive, the YPA cut quite a bit... it just didn't look like the "progress" year you want to see from a Senior QB.
Now, I know that Sam Darnold also kind of took a step back between his Fresh/Soph years - but a) it was well documented that his line play was much worse as as Soph, and b) he was still just a Soph...
Lock's senior season as a whole really doesn't impress me much on the surface and the eye test kind of backed that up. But again - I didn't see really any of Lock in late November/Dec., so my POV is admittedly a little unfair.
Look at several games. Bama was clearly the worst outlier.
Re. the statistical drop-off in YPA and YPC and TDS, some of that problem may be related to the lack of availability of his favorite WR target, Emmanuel Hall. He was hurt on/off most of his senior year (they came in together.) Hall is a dynamic deep threat and THE guy Lock looked for deep. I will attach a profile of Hall. Interestingly it notes Hall's inconsistent hands and how they improved from 17 to 18, which may have had a positive impact on Locks % completions.
If I drafted Lock, I'd look to add Hall too earlyin the 4th round if he's still on the board. NFL drafts scout has him at 19/267 WR prospects in 2019, and he might still be available if he doesn't blow up the combine.
He supposedly runs a 4.4n 40, at 6'2" and 200#. Not an awesome 4 year career by any means statistically, but clearly Lock's favorite deep threat when in the game. I attached a profile of him below, sounds like a longer version of Mario Manningham with less production but perhaps more potential. They predict he'll have an excellent combine re speed, quickness and vertical hop.
He'll prolly be long gone by round 4, looking at that write up.
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By the summer we've got a big board of maybe 50-75 kids per position heading into their junior year. Communication through back channels has begun, and then ramps up September 1 of their junior season when they can be contacted officially. They're watched very closely in junior season film. That's really the key season for evaluation as the big board gets pared down much more after that season. Some start committing, most take it into their senior season when official visits happen. Occasionally someone pops up late in the process, maybe an Ohio kid. But for the most part teams have been watching their commits since their sophomore season. Every game.
We used camps mostly for kids who we liked on film but we weren't quite sold on offering a scholarship. So we asked them to come to camp to get an evaluation in person. Jets 1st round pick Darron Lee was an example. Kid came to three different camps at OSU the summer before his senior year to earn his scholarship offer.
Thanks, Kyle. Good stuff. It’s interesting that those guides like “Rivals” are given that weight. At least from the standpoint the of getting a list together.
I take it the back channels are OSU staff reaching out to a prospect’s coach to gauge interest in both directions...?
The one drawback of moving to a rookie QB (which I'd still be in favor of) is that it likely buys Shurmur another bad season. Another 5-11 year and it will be easy for Mara to write it off as growing pains with a rookie QB. That would be a big mistake.
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I guess we better draft Andy Isabella then.
You're a tool. I'm looking forward to when you get banned yet again.
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re Haskins is what Shurmur thinks. And DG of course.
The one drawback of moving to a rookie QB (which I'd still be in favor of) is that it likely buys Shurmur another bad season. Another 5-11 year and it will be easy for Mara to write it off as growing pains with a rookie QB. That would be a big mistake.
I'm glad you found your new contrarian take. Shurmur is a lost cause (despite the fact that you yourself have been screaming from the rooftops about how bereft of talent this roster has been) but McAdoo was underrated and a terrific close game coach. Do I have that right?
Does Shurmur have a rep for identifying QBs with a lot of potential? He spent the early part of his QB coaching career with high draftees McNabb and Sam Bradford. In Cleveland, they selected Colt McCoy the year Shurmer started as HC. McCoy has had a decent NFL career for a 3rd rounder but he isn't the sort of star we're looking at. I appreciate the work Shurmur did with Casey Keenum and more particularly Nick Foles in Philadelphia, but nothing in that resume screams of someone who is top-notch talent evaluator.
So I don't understand the point. Shurmur definitely knows more than us fans, but I see no evidence that he is more perceptive than the NFL GMs and scouts with whom he is competing?
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re Haskins is what Shurmur thinks. And DG of course.
The one drawback of moving to a rookie QB (which I'd still be in favor of) is that it likely buys Shurmur another bad season. Another 5-11 year and it will be easy for Mara to write it off as growing pains with a rookie QB. That would be a big mistake.
I'm glad you found your new contrarian take. Shurmur is a lost cause (despite the fact that you yourself have been screaming from the rooftops about how bereft of talent this roster has been) but McAdoo was underrated and a terrific close game coach. Do I have that right?
Shurmur being a shitty coach in 2018 is a contrarian take? I invite you to go back and read the game threads and see how people felt about his job performance.
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I guess we better draft Andy Isabella then.
You're a tool. I'm looking forward to when you get banned yet again.
Hey, that's my favorite player in the draft - Isabella.
Don't knock the best WR prospect... ;)
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re Haskins is what Shurmur thinks. And DG of course.
The one drawback of moving to a rookie QB (which I'd still be in favor of) is that it likely buys Shurmur another bad season. Another 5-11 year and it will be easy for Mara to write it off as growing pains with a rookie QB. That would be a big mistake.
Why is this a given? The Jets, Cards, and Browns all replaced their HC during or right after their first round QB's rookie season
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re Haskins is what Shurmur thinks. And DG of course.
The one drawback of moving to a rookie QB (which I'd still be in favor of) is that it likely buys Shurmur another bad season. Another 5-11 year and it will be easy for Mara to write it off as growing pains with a rookie QB. That would be a big mistake.
Why is this a given? The Jets, Cards, and Browns all replaced their HC during or right after their first round QB's rookie season
If they didn't fire Shurmur for the job he did this year, I think he'll get a year cushion with a rookie QB.
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re Haskins is what Shurmur thinks. And DG of course.
The one drawback of moving to a rookie QB (which I'd still be in favor of) is that it likely buys Shurmur another bad season. Another 5-11 year and it will be easy for Mara to write it off as growing pains with a rookie QB. That would be a big mistake.
I'm glad you found your new contrarian take. Shurmur is a lost cause (despite the fact that you yourself have been screaming from the rooftops about how bereft of talent this roster has been) but McAdoo was underrated and a terrific close game coach. Do I have that right?
Shurmur being a shitty coach in 2018 is a contrarian take? I invite you to go back and read the game threads and see how people felt about his job performance.
Well that seals it. If there's one place I go to for accurate football insights, it's the game threads.
So does that indicate that we should've been a playoff team with a competent coach? Or are we just going by the usual axiom that anyone and anything associated with the team is garbage?
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So does that indicate that we should've been a playoff team with a competent coach? Or are we just going by the usual axiom that anyone and anything associated with the team is garbage?
The latter. Always the latter.
I don't just knock the Giants for the sake of knocking them. I've actually always been a pretty positive fan until recently. But in case you haven't been paying attention - they deserve to be knocked.
Shurmur did a shitty job in 2018. That's not me stamping my feet...it's just observation. If he repeats the job he did in 2018 in 2019, the calls to fire him will be ubiquitous. I'm not going out on a limb here.
Going out on a limb is thinking he'll improve. Maybe he will...I don't have a crystal ball. But we don't have any proof to this point in his career as a head coach that he will. But hey, maybe he will.
Thats one of his strengths. He throws pinpoint lasers deep. Just some incredibly impressive deep throws.
He has his weaknesses but its not the deep ball. Hes potentially an excellent fit in a run heavy/play action scheme. Classic dropback pocket passer which means good downfield.
Thats one of his strengths. He throws pinpoint lasers deep. Just some incredibly impressive deep throws.
He has his weaknesses but its not the deep ball. Hes potentially an excellent fit in a run heavy/play action scheme. Classic dropback pocket passer which means good downfield.
This isn't right. His deep ball accuracy is the question - his short and intermediate accuracy is fantastic.
His footwork gets a little messy on deep balls and he throws off his back foot sometimes. When he drives off his front foot, he gets good zip and ball placement.
Classic dropback passer doesn't always mean accurate down the field.
Thats one of his strengths. He throws pinpoint lasers deep. Just some incredibly impressive deep throws.
He has his weaknesses but its not the deep ball. Hes potentially an excellent fit in a run heavy/play action scheme. Classic dropback pocket passer which means good downfield.
I agree. I'm not really a Haskins guy, but I think he's absolutely fine throwing the deep ball. He has good variation with trajectory - he can throw deep frozen ropes or he can apply touch with enough air under the ball for the receiver to run under it.
Which is fine... that's natural and something most passers at his phase will have.
But Haskins' bread and butter isn't his deep ball - it isn't considered a "strength" because his footwork and accuracy have to be a little better.
Deep ball accuracy is basically a unanimous area of improvement that almost every scout feels he needs. It is definitely not a strength yet.