Cam Newton has played 8 seasons
twostepgiants : 7:43 pm : link : reply
And missed a handful of games. That’s remarkable
Most QBs will miss significant time over their careers at some point no matter pocket passer or runner
Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Dan Marino
Vinny Testaverde
Joe Montana
All have missed full seasons due to injury
Eli Mannings iron man streak was notable because it was rare, not the norm. QBs get hurt and miss games.
Of course pocket passers still get injured, but running QB's have a really difficult time staying healthy. You still don't seem to understand that a scrambler vs. a runner makes a huge difference and is a huge difference. Try to name a running QB who had an Ironman streak. Meanwhile, you can name a lot of scrambling QB's who stayed relatively healthy, whether it be Tarkenton, Favre, Archie Manning, Wilson, etc.
Cam Newton's effectiveness and health over his career has diminished because of the amount of hits he has taken and he's been advised to stay in the pocket as much as possible.
It's almost as if you are dismissing that Murray is likely to get hurt. He would be the smallest, lightest QB to play. Let that sink in for awhile.
But part of what's made Newton effective is his rushing Â
He has 58 TDs rushing. Carolina's been really good in short yardage and goal line since he's been a part of their running game. He also isn't the greatest passer...but his running ability helps keep defenses honest and create throwing lanes.
Durability matters, I agree. But there's a tipping point at which you make the player far less effective. In Newton's case, if you take away his running threat and make him strictly a pocket passer he probably isn't a starting QB in the NFL.
And in 8 years I believe he's only missed 6 games. I'm not the biggest Newton fan in the world, but his mobility makes him a problem.
First game I was like who the hell is that. Kinda soured on him the more I saw of him, but he is an interesting development prospect. He seems kinda slow through his progressions, but he has a huge arm and is pretty accurate. Definitely helps he had NFL talent on the outside in the MAC.
That picture where they are both throwing next to each other Â
you can just see Mayfield has a much bigger frame through his upper body. Murray is pretty thick through the legs though. I agree with arc that its not a remote thrower. Also agree that he is going to be a guy that makes headlines early, but Haskins is the ten year starter. However, with how valuable having rookie qbs that outperform their contracts Murray may be the more valuable pick.
Tua is listed at 6'1". I think he's closer to 6' but let's give him 6'1".
In that photo, Murray is at least 4 inches shorter - easily. And it's not like either Tua or Haskins have big heels on their dress shoes. At best, he's 5'8" and change.
Tua is not wearing flats in that photo
dress shoes have about 3/4 heel. they all are wearing dress shoes. Kyler looks tiny.
I believe Kylar Murray is an absolute stud and the right QB at the right time and will form an incredible trio with Odell and Barkley that could legendary.
You have the risk of wasting a first rounder on a guy who will choose to play baseball.
Read that article posted in another thread last night with interviews with Murray's high school teammates, coaches, colleges teammates, etc.
It seemed very clear Murray has no interest in doing the minor league circuit and playing in front of paltry crowds. The guy gets a huge rush - who wouldn't, obviously - playing in front of big crowds. That's really important to Murray. So unless the A's/Bean guarantee him an instant starting role in the Bigs, I don't see Murray going back.
twostepgiants : 7:43 pm : link : reply
And missed a handful of games. That’s remarkable
Most QBs will miss significant time over their careers at some point no matter pocket passer or runner
Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Dan Marino
Vinny Testaverde
Joe Montana
All have missed full seasons due to injury
Eli Mannings iron man streak was notable because it was rare, not the norm. QBs get hurt and miss games.
Of course pocket passers still get injured, but running QB's have a really difficult time staying healthy. You still don't seem to understand that a scrambler vs. a runner makes a huge difference and is a huge difference. Try to name a running QB who had an Ironman streak. Meanwhile, you can name a lot of scrambling QB's who stayed relatively healthy, whether it be Tarkenton, Favre, Archie Manning, Wilson, etc.
Cam Newton's effectiveness and health over his career has diminished because of the amount of hits he has taken and he's been advised to stay in the pocket as much as possible.
It's almost as if you are dismissing that Murray is likely to get hurt. He would be the smallest, lightest QB to play. Let that sink in for awhile.
Durability matters, I agree. But there's a tipping point at which you make the player far less effective. In Newton's case, if you take away his running threat and make him strictly a pocket passer he probably isn't a starting QB in the NFL.
And in 8 years I believe he's only missed 6 games. I'm not the biggest Newton fan in the world, but his mobility makes him a problem.
I'll repeat, Murray would be one of the shortest and lightest QB's ever.
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I posted that photo last night.
Tua is listed at 6'1". I think he's closer to 6' but let's give him 6'1".
In that photo, Murray is at least 4 inches shorter - easily. And it's not like either Tua or Haskins have big heels on their dress shoes. At best, he's 5'8" and change.
Tua is not wearing flats in that photo
dress shoes have about 3/4 heel. they all are wearing dress shoes. Kyler looks tiny.
I'll repeat, Murray would be one of the shortest and lightest QB's ever.
True, but he's also entering the NFL as a Heisman winner. Clearly his size wasn't an issue in college.
Look I'm not saying we've got to go get the guy. I'm wondering if the guy can play in the NFL.
What if his size scares everyone away and he drops to our pick in round two? Is he worth taking a shot?
It isn't just a singular risk.
You have the risk of wasting a first rounder on a guy who will choose to play baseball.
You have the risk of taking the smallest, lightest starting QB.
A running QB will not thrive in the NFL for an extended period. It isn't sustainable.
You have the risk of wasting a first rounder on a guy who will choose to play baseball.
Read that article posted in another thread last night with interviews with Murray's high school teammates, coaches, colleges teammates, etc.
It seemed very clear Murray has no interest in doing the minor league circuit and playing in front of paltry crowds. The guy gets a huge rush - who wouldn't, obviously - playing in front of big crowds. That's really important to Murray. So unless the A's/Bean guarantee him an instant starting role in the Bigs, I don't see Murray going back.