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Philip Rivers...what are your feelings on this guy

That’s Gold, Jerry : 1/16/2019 9:08 am
after last Sunday? I only ask this because we actually drafted him no. 1 and while he puts up lots of nice stats he has never won and I think I see the reason why. Again, my own personal opinion, but to me he is a whiner and a guy who yells at his teammates and points fingers. He has never won a big game and I was actually disgusted watching him against the Pats.

I cannot, for any reason, think Eli would do anything remotely similar on the field nor has he ever really done that. Consequently, I am thrilled beyond words that we traded Rivers for Eli. Romo called Rivers the ultimate competitor as I was watching Rivers yell at the refs, yell at his teammates etc. I found that hilarious because I have viewed Romo in the same light...a guy who put up great stats but never won when it counted. In addition, saying someone is competitive simply because they seem to be passionate in terms of yelling at others during a big game is a JOKE!!!

The Chargers had probably the most talented team left in the playoffs and yet they came up short, in a huge way, again. If this was the Giants, we know who would get the blame. Well, in the same vein, to me, LA lost because of a lack of leadership and play from their supposedly much better QB. Not a Chargers fan but I would be embarrassed by that display from your leader. Not saying his teammates didn't deserve criticism but to see the way they folded and never even put up a fight...to me that is a reflection on your leaders.
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I think he's a great QB and a good dude  
jlukes : 1/16/2019 9:12 am : link
he is very vocal and animated on the field, but he is far from an a-hole.

He has been to the playoffs a lot, but this was the first time I actually thought he had a good team around him that wasn't completely devastated by injuries. I was surprised to see them get blown out.

Rivers played average, but he was also playing from behind the entire game because the Chargers defense couldn't make a stop.
And yes, it is possible to discuss Rivers without taking a shot at Eli  
jlukes : 1/16/2019 9:13 am : link
or being defensive about Eli
I love when fans  
jlukes : 1/16/2019 9:14 am : link
claim a player is not a leader, or a team has a lack of leadership

You’ can’t possibly be blaming Rivers for there loss  
GoBlue6599 : 1/16/2019 9:14 am : link
The halftime score was 35-7.. if the Giants defense ever played that way we wouldn’t have won any of our playoff games. If that were the Giants these people would be killing the head coach and Defense.. People here seem to think Eli played well in a game we lost 38-17
I'd like to know what happened to their front 4 on D...  
bradshaw44 : 1/16/2019 9:14 am : link
They let TB pick them apart. Rivers had no choice but to play catch up which will be difficult for any team to do against a seasoned team like the Pats. He definitely doesn't elevate his play on the biggest stages like Eli, and that's not up for debate. But the task he had last week was not an easy one.
I absolutely hated him  
UConn4523 : 1/16/2019 9:14 am : link
in the 2000's, he was an obnoxious jerkoff. He's mellowed out since then and now I don't mind him. He's had a really good career which is still crazy to me given his horrid throwing mechanics.
I think he comes off...  
Chris in Philly : 1/16/2019 9:15 am : link
as a dick on the field, but having seen plenty of interviews and stories about him he seems like actually a good guy. He’s a terrific talent who has done very well for an organization so dysfunctional that Eli blew up the draft to avoid playing there.
RE: I think he comes off...  
jlukes : 1/16/2019 9:16 am : link
In comment 14265047 Chris in Philly said:
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as a dick on the field, but having seen plenty of interviews and stories about him he seems like actually a good guy. He’s a terrific talent who has done very well for an organization so dysfunctional that Eli blew up the draft to avoid playing there.


Well said.
Joey Bosa who is supposed to be a great player was a no show  
GoBlue6599 : 1/16/2019 9:21 am : link
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Rivers is a decent quarterback  
GiantNatty : 1/16/2019 9:22 am : link
and I've actually heard people say that he'll get into the HoF while Eli won't - and if that happens, the HoF will officially become a joke.

For my sake, I'm thrilled we made that trade - there were definitely times when Rivers rubbed me the wrong way, while Eli has been a class act (or, perhaps better said, "a mensch") from day one.
Agree with CiP's take on his personality  
Mike from Ohio : 1/16/2019 9:23 am : link
He is just one of those guys that is one person on the field and another off it.

He's a talented QB and certainly a guy who could win a championship with the right talent around him. I don't think he is holding the Chargers back, but he is also not putting them over the top with clutch play at crucial times. I just can't think of any signature River's moments other than great regular season games.
My feelings on him haven't changed because of this game.  
Brown Recluse : 1/16/2019 9:24 am : link
Great QB whose had a great career. I would have liked to see him get a ring this year. He deserves it. He didn't play great but this loss wasn't entirely on him. The Chargers were dumb for trotting out the same Seattle defensive scheme that the Patriots have already beaten twice in the Super Bowl and that other good offenses have no problem tearing apart.
I used to dislike him  
crick n NC : 1/16/2019 9:25 am : link
I don't mind him. I was impressed he backed Eli last year during "the benching"
Hall of Fame...  
M.S. : 1/16/2019 9:26 am : link

...QB.

Simple  
blueblood : 1/16/2019 9:26 am : link
NONE...
He is a good player but a whiner  
Chris684 : 1/16/2019 9:26 am : link
and it irritates me when I watch him play.

There's no doubt the guy is a talented player but I think his stature is elevated some due to the crowd of people who enjoy watching the guy scream and think it means anything good.

I think for the most part he's had it pretty good in SoCal. Terrific offensive talent. Marty then Norv Turner. He's been surrounded by a lot of good football players and coaches. The biggest issues he's had to deal with have been poor injury luck around him and the relocation. Then again, show me a QB who doesn't have to deal with the former.

Solid career, HOF worthy. Slightly overrated due to the douchebaggery he provides on the field that so many eat up.
I'd also add that  
UConn4523 : 1/16/2019 9:28 am : link
my POV on the NFL has changed drastically from 2004 to now, so being an asshole player doesn't bother me like it used to simply because I don't take it as seriously anymore.
RE: He is a good player but a whiner  
Britt in VA : 1/16/2019 9:29 am : link
In comment 14265071 Chris684 said:
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and it irritates me when I watch him play.

There's no doubt the guy is a talented player but I think his stature is elevated some due to the crowd of people who enjoy watching the guy scream and think it means anything good.

I think for the most part he's had it pretty good in SoCal. Terrific offensive talent. Marty then Norv Turner. He's been surrounded by a lot of good football players and coaches. The biggest issues he's had to deal with have been poor injury luck around him and the relocation. Then again, show me a QB who doesn't have to deal with the former.

Solid career, HOF worthy. Slightly overrated due to the douchebaggery he provides on the field that so many eat up.


I think this is a pretty fair assessment.
RE: Hall of Fame...  
GoBlue6599 : 1/16/2019 9:29 am : link
In comment 14265068 M.S. said:
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...QB.

I like Rivers and I think he’s a very good player.. with all that said he doesn’t belong in the HOF IMO
Rivers  
Pep22 : 1/16/2019 9:29 am : link
Amazing in the sense that he doesn't have an NFL arm, is probably the only QB less athletic than Eli Manning and yet, due to intelligence and fiery competitiveness and pieced together a near HOF career. Kudos.
RE: I'd like to know what happened to their front 4 on D...  
Dan in the Springs : 1/16/2019 9:34 am : link
In comment 14265045 bradshaw44 said:
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They let TB pick them apart. Rivers had no choice but to play catch up which will be difficult for any team to do against a seasoned team like the Pats. He definitely doesn't elevate his play on the biggest stages like Eli, and that's not up for debate. But the task he had last week was not an easy one.


Agree that the lost isn't on Rivers, at least not entirely.

Haven't rewatched the game yet, but read how the Pats figured out that the Chargers biggest defensive liability was in RB coverage and short passes to the flat or quick slants. The quick short passing game certainly neutralizes a good pass rush every time. They also mixed up the run game well with a combination of outside zone runs and traps inside. I think the win goes to Bill Belichick and McDaniels once again for recognizing and attacking a team's weakness, but you can't also help but recognize that the Pats had a TON of effort plays - great blocks (especially downfield) and extra effort to reach the first down marker. Early on I lost count of how many times they threw it short of the sticks on first down and then relied on the receiver to break tackles (which they did).

I think the NE team had a chip on their shoulder and the LAC thought they were the better team and got caught unprepared.

In other words, I think they were out-coached as much as out-played.
His on the field actions don't bother me,  
Section331 : 1/16/2019 9:34 am : link
by almost all accounts, his teammates love him. He's a terrific player who has had a great career, but I do wonder how he would have handled bad weather games in the northeast. His arm isn't the strongest out there.
Total turd  
Ssanders9816 : 1/16/2019 9:34 am : link
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Regarding Sunday's game, sure the LAC defense sucked,  
Section331 : 1/16/2019 9:35 am : link
but the O didn't help much either. Late in the 1st half, they had run 20 plays. Getting a few first downs would have helped their D a bit.
Very good player...  
BillKo : 1/16/2019 9:36 am : link
...particularly when looking at his stats. He's there week-in, week-out and that's what you want from a your QB. A franchise QB.

Unfortunately for Rivers he never has had a breakout game/run in the playoffs, always being pedestrian.

Definitely HOF consideration should be given, and he probably gets there based on stats.

The third best QB of the 2004 draft, which was a great QB class.

Never liked him, can't take away his acheivements...  
x meadowlander : 1/16/2019 9:36 am : link
...but he was the modern-era Dan Marino, leading many great teams to painful playoff defeats.

I imagine if Brady/Belicheck weren't the force they were, one of his Charger teams may have pulled out a Lombardi - in the end, glad things worked out the way they did.

In 04' he was not what I wanted with that 5 pick.
4th pick  
Britt in VA : 1/16/2019 9:37 am : link
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Can't argue with the production  
aka dbrny : 1/16/2019 9:40 am : link
Given his throwing mechanics when he entered the NFL, he's actually done far better than I thought he would. It's hard to know how much of his behavior has been about who he is as a person, and how much is driven by who has surrounded him. I've seen a lot of good people go to teams led by an unhealthy front office and become schmucks, and have seen a lot of head cases turn the attitude around when surrounded by good leadership. Don't know him personally, so hard to know.

NY Media and fan base can be unusually brutal given the sheer size of the market, amount of competition for a story and the amount of coverage/attention, so his behavior had him categorized as a "would implode if he were in NY" player in my mind. Might be unfair, but that's where I landed him.

I've also wondered if his stats would be anywhere close to where they are if he had to play more games in bad weather. He's held up well playing in Denver and KC, so might only be a % or 2 reduction in comp %, etc.
RE: Rivers  
bw in dc : 1/16/2019 9:42 am : link
In comment 14265084 Pep22 said:
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Amazing in the sense that he doesn't have an NFL arm, is probably the only QB less athletic than Eli Manning and yet, due to intelligence and fiery competitiveness and pieced together a near HOF career. Kudos.


That’s a good assessment. He’s a tough SOB, too. Can really hang in there, wait as long as possible, throw, and then take the hit. And the ball somehow lands on a dime. Very unorthodox like Bernie Kosar was.
One plus for him  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 1/16/2019 9:54 am : link
Not a rapist.
He's had a terrific career  
JonC : 1/16/2019 10:00 am : link
in spite of that weak arm.
RE: One plus for him  
cjac : 1/16/2019 10:08 am : link
In comment 14265139 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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Not a rapist.


HAHAHA
great player  
bluepepper : 1/16/2019 10:12 am : link
Truly bizarro sports world we live in where baseball pitchers are no longer judged by W-L record and 10-9 guys take home Cy Young Awards but NFL QB's are judged not just by W-L but how many Championships they win. Somebody actually compared Rivers to Dan Marino as if that were a negative! (For the record, no he's not in Marino's class).

Never thought about it, but Rivers and Romo are similar  
regulator : 1/16/2019 10:12 am : link
Different styles of play, but you can say both were major stat-compilers that didn't play their best in big games, and played on several teams (Rivers 2006, 2009, 2018; Romo 2007, 2014) that were arguably championship-caliber and underachieved.
Before the draft, only his arm position bothered me because you  
Ivan15 : 1/16/2019 10:23 am : link
Couldn’t really see or here the on-field antics.

I would have been happy with any one of the big 3. Happy to have Eli but I would have been just as happy if Rivers had won 2 SBs and only got to the playoffs a handful of times.
The Chargers  
mittenedman : 1/16/2019 10:24 am : link
got whooped from the coaching on down. I got the feeling Rivers was up against an impossible situation.

It really makes you appreciate how Coughlin navigated us through the Playoffs. Never got big-gamed, never got caught with collective pants down. Ready to go. Sure the 05 Playoff Game but Giants didn't have the horses.

To get blown out in a Playoff game like the Chargers did - when you have a great team - was an organizational failure. There is a reason the Mannings didn't want to go to San Diego. I also harken back to the comments D.J. Fluker made when he got here. They don't give a sh#t. It's a losing organization. Rivers never had a chance.
Funny you mention that  
Cap'n Bluebeard : 1/16/2019 10:32 am : link
I have a friend who blames the OL play on Eli. Not for holding the ball too long or because of his lack of mobility, but because he fails to scream at them for being shitty.

I texted him when Rivers was going through his histrionics while constantly under pressure on Sunday and asked how that was working out for him. I'm still waiting on a reply

Rivers is a great QB whose teams have underperformed in the playoffs. Some of that is on him, some isn't.
I think  
Beer Man : 1/16/2019 10:39 am : link
The team would have been just as successful with Rivers under center.
I think Rivers is one of many QBs who have benefitted  
SHO'NUFF : 1/16/2019 10:41 am : link
from NFL rule changes.
RE: I think he's a great QB and a good dude  
Bluesbreaker : 1/16/2019 10:42 am : link
In comment 14265038 jlukes said:
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he is very vocal and animated on the field, but he is far from an a-hole.

He has been to the playoffs a lot, but this was the first time I actually thought he had a good team around him that wasn't completely devastated by injuries. I was surprised to see them get blown out.

Rivers played average, but he was also playing from behind the entire game because the Chargers defense couldn't make a stop.


Agree 100% Chargers have not been a good organization
Rivers is clearly good enough to win it all It's too bad
they were not able to build a good enough team around him
I think he gets another shot next season there isn't a lot of competition for the top spot KC Pats Titans Texans Broncos nobody stands out .
Even when the game was still  
ryanmkeane : 1/16/2019 10:43 am : link
14-7, Rivers started getting frustrated and was losing it on the sidelines and on the field. His style has worn out over time.
RE: I think  
aka dbrny : 1/16/2019 10:44 am : link
In comment 14265216 Beer Man said:
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The team would have been just as successful with Rivers under center.


Interesting thought...I wonder if he would have been able to perform under Gilbride. Arm strength may have been a liability. Don't know...thought just crossed my mind.
I think he is a very good QB  
Jay on the Island : 1/16/2019 10:45 am : link
but he plays better in the regular season than the playoffs. The great's elevate their game in the postseason. What people never mention in regards to Rivers is that he played in the weakest division among the 2004 class and that he came to a stacked team with championship aspirations. Plus they had a better HOF QB on the roster that they just lost for nothing. The better decision would have been to keep Brees and trade away Rivers.
RE: I think Rivers is one of many QBs who have benefitted  
BillKo : 1/16/2019 10:47 am : link
In comment 14265222 SHO'NUFF said:
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from NFL rule changes.


Interesting. Such as?
I will say this  
Jay on the Island : 1/16/2019 10:47 am : link
I can all but guarantee that the Giants wouldn't have won the superbowl or even made the playoffs in 2011 with Rivers at QB. Eli carried that team for the whole season with no running game, a bad broken down OL, and the 31st ranked defense.
RE: I think he is a very good QB  
x meadowlander : 1/16/2019 10:49 am : link
In comment 14265232 Jay on the Island said:
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but he plays better in the regular season than the playoffs. The great's elevate their game in the postseason. What people never mention in regards to Rivers is that he played in the weakest division among the 2004 class and that he came to a stacked team with championship aspirations. Plus they had a better HOF QB on the roster that they just lost for nothing. The better decision would have been to keep Brees and trade away Rivers.
The better decision would have been to keep Brees and trade away Rivers. LOL... Ya THINK??
53 players on a team  
Gman11 : 1/16/2019 10:49 am : link
and the wins and losses are all attributed to one player, the QB. That's just ridiculous.
Has nice career stats, never won anything  
Route 9 : 1/16/2019 10:53 am : link
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RE: You’ can’t possibly be blaming Rivers for there loss  
Bramton1 : 1/16/2019 11:00 am : link
In comment 14265044 GoBlue6599 said:
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The halftime score was 35-7.. if the Giants defense ever played that way we wouldn’t have won any of our playoff games. If that were the Giants these people would be killing the head coach and Defense.. People here seem to think Eli played well in a game we lost 38-17


Sure you can. After an opening drive touchdown, the Chargers punted on their next five series, which included three 3-and-outs and no drive that got more than 26 yards. The defense was getting their asses kicked in, and then were suddenly right back on the field.

By comparison, Eli drove the Giants across midfield in 4 of their first 5 series. But thanks to some bad drops, we managed a mere six points.
RE: RE: I think Rivers is one of many QBs who have benefitted  
SHO'NUFF : 1/16/2019 11:01 am : link
In comment 14265239 BillKo said:
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In comment 14265222 SHO'NUFF said:


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from NFL rule changes.



Interesting. Such as?


Overall rules that protect the QB and WRs... Rules of the game that favor the offense...that kinda stuff. Is he tough enough to stick it out in an era when the defense was allowed to hammer the QB? Does he have the arm strength to squeeze the ball into a tight window when DBs were allowed to actually play defense on a receiver? Can he play in an offense that doesn't feature borderline illegal pick plays? I mean it's just not Rivers that benefits. Today's NFL allows mediocre QBs to put up insane numbers. You just don't have the special once-in-awhile QB anymore.
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