The Giants should bring in both Za’Darius Smith and Preston Smith. Both are on the right side of 30 and will be much cheaper than other options but could end up being very good additions.
If the Giants are going to spend big on one position Â
I hope that it's spent on a RT. Daryl Williams, Ja'Wuan James, or Donovan Smith would be ideal. Then draft either Dalton Risner, David Edwards, or Yodny Cajuste in round 2 and let them play guard, or C in Risner's case, during their first year or two.
The Giants should bring in both Za’Darius Smith and Preston Smith. Both are on the right side of 30 and will be much cheaper than other options but could end up being very good additions.
I'd add Fowler to that list. Better known than the other too, but hasn't lived up to the draft hype yet and could probably be had for $8-10M per season.
That said, as discussed on the JPP thread, they may only have room for one edge rusher in their current scheme so any decision here will be tightly tied to what they do with Vernon.
AND a good edge rusher? If not, the draft seems to be deeper with edge rushers, so it may make sense to allocate our dollars to the OL.
Depends on whether or not they plan to re-sign Collins.
And what they do with some or all of the following:
Eli
Vernon
Jenkins
Stewart
Ogletree
Ellison
Martin
Barwin
They could create an additional $30-40M in cap space if desired.
This is one of the benefits of drafting a QB like Haskins in round 1. They will be paying him way below market value for 5 years which will free up money to spend on the rest of the roster. They could cut Eli and sign a cheap stopgap to compete with Haskins for the starting job year one. Ryan Fitzpatrick, Tyrod Taylor, Sam Bradford, Trevor Siemian, or even RG3 are all cheap options.
Even none name edge rushers are going to get huge deals in FA, especially if young. The top guys will get franchised and Dee Ford may well also and be close to 20M. Younger guys are going to get 12M per year
There are 22 guys DE&LB considered edge rushers already making over 9M per year
AND a good edge rusher? If not, the draft seems to be deeper with edge rushers, so it may make sense to allocate our dollars to the OL.
Depends on whether or not they plan to re-sign Collins.
And what they do with some or all of the following:
Eli
Vernon
Jenkins
Stewart
Ogletree
Ellison
Martin
Barwin
They could create an additional $30-40M in cap space if desired.
This is one of the benefits of drafting a QB like Haskins in round 1. They will be paying him way below market value for 5 years which will free up money to spend on the rest of the roster. They could cut Eli and sign a cheap stopgap to compete with Haskins for the starting job year one. Ryan Fitzpatrick, Tyrod Taylor, Sam Bradford, Trevor Siemian, or even RG3 are all cheap options.
Except that the Giants will need to give Eli that roster bonus so they don't telegraph there move in draft. At which point you can save 12 million by getting rid of him. Go look at what Tyrod and Sam Bradford made last year. Any replacement option that costs you less than 12 million will assuredly be worse than Eli.
Except that the Giants will need to give Eli that roster bonus so they don't telegraph there move in draft. At which point you can save 12 million by getting rid of him. Go look at what Tyrod and Sam Bradford made last year. Any replacement option that costs you less than 12 million will assuredly be worse than Eli.
Of course they would be worse than Eli but they will not get close to that amount this year. They would be keeping the seat warm for Haskins if Haskins isn't ready week one. This would give the Giants more cap room fill holes and they wouldn't have to worry about a quarterback controversy as the stopgap will surely know his role.
It amazes me how many posters think picking him at #6 is a foregone conclusion. If last year is any indication, we know:
- DG will not force a pick, particularity QB
and
- DG will grab the BPA when the Giants pick at #6
On top of that DG has publicly stated that the D will be a focus this year's draft. And at the same time he has not mentioned Haskins and didn't personally scout him as he did with Herbert.
Not to mention Haskins is not a top 10 talent, had he been in last years draft he probably would have been the 5th QB taken; most likely the same if he was to stay in school another year and enter the 2020 draft. He is arguably the best QB in the 2019 draft class, but it is a very weak QB class.
The Giants should bring in both Za’Darius Smith and Preston Smith. Both are on the right side of 30 and will be much cheaper than other options but could end up being very good additions.
ZaDarius Smith is SUPER overrated. He had 8.5 sacks. Three came in one game against the Titans where the Ravens had 12 sacks as a team. He had three total sacks the last 8 games of the year. He is not an answer
Some edge rushers I wouldn't mind the Giants going after Â
The Giants should bring in both Za’Darius Smith and Preston Smith. Both are on the right side of 30 and will be much cheaper than other options but could end up being very good additions.
I'm all about signing away free agents from divisional rivals. Strengthen our team and weaken theirs. Which is why Preston Smith would be a nice add IMO.
I hope that it's spent on a RT. Daryl Williams, Ja'Wuan James, or Donovan Smith would be ideal. Then draft either Dalton Risner, David Edwards, or Yodny Cajuste in round 2 and let them play guard, or C in Risner's case, during their first year or two.
Love Dalton Risner. Some say he might play center at the next level
Also heard that he hasn’t given up a sack in college Hard to believe
AND a good edge rusher? If not, the draft seems to be deeper with edge rushers, so it may make sense to allocate our dollars to the OL.
Depends on whether or not they plan to re-sign Collins.
And what they do with some or all of the following:
Eli
Vernon
Jenkins
Stewart
Ogletree
Ellison
Martin
Barwin
They could create an additional $30-40M in cap space if desired.
This is one of the benefits of drafting a QB like Haskins in round 1. They will be paying him way below market value for 5 years which will free up money to spend on the rest of the roster. They could cut Eli and sign a cheap stopgap to compete with Haskins for the starting job year one. Ryan Fitzpatrick, Tyrod Taylor, Sam Bradford, Trevor Siemian, or even RG3 are all cheap options.
Look I get your point, but do you really want to spend a year watching the likes of Fitzpatrick, Taylor, San F’n Bradford, Siemian or RG3 instead of Eli!
I don think the cap savings are worth the pain!
It's supposed to be a strong draft for edge rushers, isn't it? I'd be fine if we drafted two or even three of them...we are completely bereft in that area.
Please DG, lets avoid the big $ splashes in free agency this year Â
We aren’t doing shit next season anyway so spend one more year trying to figure out who really are the core building block players we have and focal points of draft. Add some modest pieces in Free Agency to areas not plentiful in the draft only.
And let’s all regroup a year from now after we go 6-10 again.
If you take the qb in the draft then priority goes to getting two fee agent OL Mitch Morse at Center and one of the aforementioned three at RT.
You do whatever you have to ot protect the young qb.
If Gmen decide no QB then I'd look to trade down and take bpa on defense with emphasis on front 7 but would listen to secondary - though I much prefer front 7.
AND a good edge rusher? If not, the draft seems to be deeper with edge rushers, so it may make sense to allocate our dollars to the OL.
Depends on whether or not they plan to re-sign Collins.
And what they do with some or all of the following:
Eli
Vernon
Jenkins
Stewart
Ogletree
Ellison
Martin
Barwin
They could create an additional $30-40M in cap space if desired.
This is one of the benefits of drafting a QB like Haskins in round 1. They will be paying him way below market value for 5 years which will free up money to spend on the rest of the roster. They could cut Eli and sign a cheap stopgap to compete with Haskins for the starting job year one. Ryan Fitzpatrick, Tyrod Taylor, Sam Bradford, Trevor Siemian, or even RG3 are all cheap options.
Look I get your point, but do you really want to spend a year watching the likes of Fitzpatrick, Taylor, San F’n Bradford, Siemian or RG3 instead of Eli!
I don think the cap savings are worth the pain!
Huh?????????????
Buddy hasn't it been all-time painful already?
Please, if we spend more than $10m on any UFA, may it be an OT Â
I know our defense needs help. But we can keep Vernon despite his high cost - or restructure him. We need to draft a DL round 1 as I think that will be the best player available when we pick #6.
I think we do cut bait with players. We don't have a replacement for Eli and my gut tells me we won't take a QB round 1, unless we trade down a bit??
because you can’t teach that speed. Same with Clowney. This team really needs an infusion of speed. But I get the health concerns and the likelihood they we be overpriced.
If we did target one guy to fill a pass rush need, I’d recommend Frank Clark. Well coached coming out of that Seattle program and he really can run to the ball. Plus, he’s just been super-steady for three years doing just about everything. And only 26.
Otherwise, I think Jay has it right - focus on oline.
Ansah's on the wrong side of 30 and has been banged up the last 3 seasons as the article mentions. Buyer beware there.
I like Ford, but he's had injury issues as well and will probably cost >$15M per.
the cap space to land a starting RT and an top edge rusher
and we need both !
Depends on whether or not they plan to re-sign Collins.
And what they do with some or all of the following:
Eli
Vernon
Jenkins
Stewart
Ogletree
Ellison
Martin
Barwin
They could create an additional $30-40M in cap space if desired.
I'd add Fowler to that list. Better known than the other too, but hasn't lived up to the draft hype yet and could probably be had for $8-10M per season.
That said, as discussed on the JPP thread, they may only have room for one edge rusher in their current scheme so any decision here will be tightly tied to what they do with Vernon.
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AND a good edge rusher? If not, the draft seems to be deeper with edge rushers, so it may make sense to allocate our dollars to the OL.
Depends on whether or not they plan to re-sign Collins.
And what they do with some or all of the following:
Eli
Vernon
Jenkins
Stewart
Ogletree
Ellison
Martin
Barwin
They could create an additional $30-40M in cap space if desired.
This is one of the benefits of drafting a QB like Haskins in round 1. They will be paying him way below market value for 5 years which will free up money to spend on the rest of the roster. They could cut Eli and sign a cheap stopgap to compete with Haskins for the starting job year one. Ryan Fitzpatrick, Tyrod Taylor, Sam Bradford, Trevor Siemian, or even RG3 are all cheap options.
Ansah's on the wrong side of 30 and has been banged up the last 3 seasons as the article mentions. Buyer beware there.
I like Ford, but he's had injury issues as well and will probably cost >$15M per.
There are 22 guys DE&LB considered edge rushers already making over 9M per year
There will be no bargains to be had
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AND a good edge rusher? If not, the draft seems to be deeper with edge rushers, so it may make sense to allocate our dollars to the OL.
Depends on whether or not they plan to re-sign Collins.
And what they do with some or all of the following:
Eli
Vernon
Jenkins
Stewart
Ogletree
Ellison
Martin
Barwin
They could create an additional $30-40M in cap space if desired.
This is one of the benefits of drafting a QB like Haskins in round 1. They will be paying him way below market value for 5 years which will free up money to spend on the rest of the roster. They could cut Eli and sign a cheap stopgap to compete with Haskins for the starting job year one. Ryan Fitzpatrick, Tyrod Taylor, Sam Bradford, Trevor Siemian, or even RG3 are all cheap options.
Except that the Giants will need to give Eli that roster bonus so they don't telegraph there move in draft. At which point you can save 12 million by getting rid of him. Go look at what Tyrod and Sam Bradford made last year. Any replacement option that costs you less than 12 million will assuredly be worse than Eli.
Except that the Giants will need to give Eli that roster bonus so they don't telegraph there move in draft. At which point you can save 12 million by getting rid of him. Go look at what Tyrod and Sam Bradford made last year. Any replacement option that costs you less than 12 million will assuredly be worse than Eli.
Of course they would be worse than Eli but they will not get close to that amount this year. They would be keeping the seat warm for Haskins if Haskins isn't ready week one. This would give the Giants more cap room fill holes and they wouldn't have to worry about a quarterback controversy as the stopgap will surely know his role.
- DG will not force a pick, particularity QB
and
- DG will grab the BPA when the Giants pick at #6
On top of that DG has publicly stated that the D will be a focus this year's draft. And at the same time he has not mentioned Haskins and didn't personally scout him as he did with Herbert.
Not to mention Haskins is not a top 10 talent, had he been in last years draft he probably would have been the 5th QB taken; most likely the same if he was to stay in school another year and enter the 2020 draft. He is arguably the best QB in the 2019 draft class, but it is a very weak QB class.
This, not jumping Darnold but very likely before Allen (accuracy issues) and Rosen (attitude, commitment, and durability questions).
Almost surely 3rd QB off the board last year, which puts him at 7 and clearly top 10.
I'm all about signing away free agents from divisional rivals. Strengthen our team and weaken theirs. Which is why Preston Smith would be a nice add IMO.
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if they can't reach a long term agreement and I suspect Clowney will as well. Those 2 could also get close to $20M per season.
Ansah's on the wrong side of 30 and has been banged up the last 3 seasons as the article mentions. Buyer beware there.
I like Ford, but he's had injury issues as well and will probably cost >$15M per.
Not only that, but Dallas has $55M in cap space and most of their players under contract. If Dallas wants him, he'll still be a Cowboy.
Dak wants to be paid but you are right. Lawrence will get tagged or extended.
Love Dalton Risner. Some say he might play center at the next level
Also heard that he hasn’t given up a sack in college Hard to believe
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AND a good edge rusher? If not, the draft seems to be deeper with edge rushers, so it may make sense to allocate our dollars to the OL.
Depends on whether or not they plan to re-sign Collins.
And what they do with some or all of the following:
Eli
Vernon
Jenkins
Stewart
Ogletree
Ellison
Martin
Barwin
They could create an additional $30-40M in cap space if desired.
This is one of the benefits of drafting a QB like Haskins in round 1. They will be paying him way below market value for 5 years which will free up money to spend on the rest of the roster. They could cut Eli and sign a cheap stopgap to compete with Haskins for the starting job year one. Ryan Fitzpatrick, Tyrod Taylor, Sam Bradford, Trevor Siemian, or even RG3 are all cheap options.
Look I get your point, but do you really want to spend a year watching the likes of Fitzpatrick, Taylor, San F’n Bradford, Siemian or RG3 instead of Eli!
I don think the cap savings are worth the pain!
And let’s all regroup a year from now after we go 6-10 again.
Ok?
You do whatever you have to ot protect the young qb.
If Gmen decide no QB then I'd look to trade down and take bpa on defense with emphasis on front 7 but would listen to secondary - though I much prefer front 7.
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In comment 14265306 Mike from SI said:
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AND a good edge rusher? If not, the draft seems to be deeper with edge rushers, so it may make sense to allocate our dollars to the OL.
Depends on whether or not they plan to re-sign Collins.
And what they do with some or all of the following:
Eli
Vernon
Jenkins
Stewart
Ogletree
Ellison
Martin
Barwin
They could create an additional $30-40M in cap space if desired.
This is one of the benefits of drafting a QB like Haskins in round 1. They will be paying him way below market value for 5 years which will free up money to spend on the rest of the roster. They could cut Eli and sign a cheap stopgap to compete with Haskins for the starting job year one. Ryan Fitzpatrick, Tyrod Taylor, Sam Bradford, Trevor Siemian, or even RG3 are all cheap options.
Look I get your point, but do you really want to spend a year watching the likes of Fitzpatrick, Taylor, San F’n Bradford, Siemian or RG3 instead of Eli!
I don think the cap savings are worth the pain!
Huh?????????????
Buddy hasn't it been all-time painful already?
I think we do cut bait with players. We don't have a replacement for Eli and my gut tells me we won't take a QB round 1, unless we trade down a bit??
But none of these edge rushers. Too expensive.
If we did target one guy to fill a pass rush need, I’d recommend Frank Clark. Well coached coming out of that Seattle program and he really can run to the ball. Plus, he’s just been super-steady for three years doing just about everything. And only 26.
Otherwise, I think Jay has it right - focus on oline.